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Location: jersey | Hello all,
New owner of a '58 Sport Suburban. 318 poly/t-flite.
Original california car with ZERO rust. Engine and trans have no miles on them since their rebuilds. Still has the California black plates on it.
Color is Copper Glow Poly, which due to the Cali sun has faded to brown. This is the only pic i have for now, as it's at a friends house getting a renovation. More pics will follow when i have time to get down there, possibly after carlile.
Great site here, with alot of great information.
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Location: CA | I'm not exactly sure how they post all the pics but I'd sure love to see it! I've got a friend with one with the golden commando. |
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Location: Kansas City, KS | Great looking car! Here's your picture for you.
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| What a clean wagon, untouched, to boot. You're a fortunate fellow!
Now a question, does the Sport Suburban have a larger rear wheel
cutout than the ustom and Deluxe Suburbans, or does it just appear
to be bigger in this rendering? Congrats on a gorgeous find, and the color, too!
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Location: CA | Yes, welcome and very nice car! Is it still in CA? |
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Location: little rock, AR | Keep those wagons ROLLIN!!! Great lookin car. |
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Real nice lookin ride - congrats  |
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| Highball57 - 2010-07-06 10:45 PM
Now a question, does the Sport Suburban have a larger rear wheel
cutout than the Custom and Deluxe Suburbans, or does it just appear
to be bigger in this rendering?
It just appears to be bigger, and as in many FL advertisements, the car is riding lower than stock. The wheel cutouts are the same for all the wagons.
NICE car!
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| Very nice wagon, wagons are cool..... yours looks great. I like it is a 4 door Suburban. |
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Location: jersey | Thanks everyone!
The car has been in jersey for two years. the floors have no undercoating and look like they just came from the factory. So being that it's in humid jersey, what is the best method of protecting the bare floors? Por-15? undercoating? |
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Are you gonna drive it in the rain ? leave it outside all year ? If you have a garage, and don't drive it in the rain, I'd just paint them . . .
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Location: jersey | Even in a garage we get condensation. Can't say i won't get caught in the rain with it, as i have a '58 chevy wagon that has seen rain. wouldn't intentionally drive in it, but it does happen where it can't be avoided. |
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Location: new york | REAL NICE WAGON!!!! Love the color ! Its such a rare car and in a super color! GOOD LUCK and HAPPY MOTORING! Victor.... |
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Por-15 is only for use on rust - I think you should be fine with regular paint . . .
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Location: Connecticut | Is this the same car that was owned by a guy in Westchester County, NY, who also owned a gold 58 Belvedere 2dr HT (but sold it) ? Ron
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Location: jersey | Thats the car Ron, yes. |
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Location: Williams California | ronbo97 - 2010-07-07 7:20 PM
Is this the same car that was owned by a guy in Westchester County, NY, who also owned a gold 58 Belvedere 2dr HT (but sold it) ? Ron
Ron, it's also the same car that Mike Heredia bought in southern Ca. at an estate sale a few years ago.
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Location: bishop, ca | "Regular ('chassis') paint" is fine, but that paint will age and become dirty-discolored over time.
If the frame is properly stripped/prepped before its initial painting, the chassis/frame can later be steam cleaned,
as necessary, and the frame can be masked-off and rattle-can refurbished to a like new appearance.
Given my druthers, I'druther have the frame be powder coated, and then, later, merely clean it off and maybe polish
it to renew its appearance.
i KNOW that I'd have the individual suspension pieces be (sent-off-to-be) powder coated in 'bare-steel' color, rather than
to blast them to bare metal and either clear-coat them (the 'clear' doesn't seal-off from re-rusting, over time) or to spray-on
a 'Bare Steel' paint onto them.
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Location: Glen Rock PA | Very nice, thanks for sharing
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Location: Mendocino County, Northern Calif | great color combo..mine is white with gold sport tone trim..pretty much rust free also. Cant wait to see a pic! |
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Location: Brooklyn NY | Ooooh Nice, another Suburban close to me. One modification I did and highly recommend to anyone who drives a classic in the "tri-state" area is a front disc brake conversion. I drive my car in a mellow manner, but every now and then you get people really cutting you off and the discs have saved my ride more than once......Ralph from Brooklyn |
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Location: jersey | Do to some nice finds at Carlisle, a dual quad 383, later model t-flite(still with pushbuttons) and a 3.91 sure grip from a body will be the drivetrain. Underhood will be made to look like a '58 golden commando, down to the red boot on 1 plug terminal. She's also gettin disc brakes from a volare/aspen, and a set of torq-thrusts. kinda like a parts runner wagon in the 60's for a Mopar race team. Color and Interior will remain stock. Nothing will be done to where it can't be restored to stock if the future calls for it. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Eric, I hope you don't plan on driving-cruising much above 60 mph, though, unless you've got some sort of
overdrive high gear installed.
I experimented with a 3.55;1 Sure Grip, for about .5 year, before I got fed up with the noisy (busy-) engine, the
negligible performance increase over the 3.36:1 ratio, but the greatly worsended mpg--like about 8 in-town
and 9-10 on the road (at 70-ish).
'Sfun to talk about a low rear end ratio, but it ain't fun to live with one.
Kind of like marrying a high-maintenance beautiful woman, who can't cook and won't keep a clean house
and who 'talks'---engine noise---a lot (think: L. Lohan or P. Hilton).
You'll see....
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Location: jersey | I'll be running a tall tire in the rear. a buddy with a healthy 440 (low 12's) in a 58 belvedere with a set of 3.91's gets about 15mpg hiway at 70+ mph.
Plus i scored the entire rear drum to drum for $500, so it's stayin for awhile. |
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Location: bishop, ca | ...think your bud is prevaricating...but, one way or t'other, it's your ride.
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I don't know about prevaricating, but I think he might not be telling the truth !!! 
How "tall" of a tire are you planning on putting on ? 3.55's might be O.K. - They will be "fun" stoplight to stoplight !!! 
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Location: bishop, ca | ...and a be-otch to live with anywhere and everywhere else.
Worst part was the mpg going into the toilet.
The Sure Grip is nice to brag-on, but I wasn't about to burn-off my $800buk tires, and, unless you're into decorating
your local pavements, or driving in loose dirt/snow, or, of course, drag racing your ride, there is no practical benefit
to having a S.-G. in your car.
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Location: jersey | more pics. http://s81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/finned440/caldwellplymouth/ |
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Location: Phoenix, AZ | Nice ride! So that's what mine SHOULD look like  |
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Location: CA | Is that the correct poly motor? I've never seen a 57-58 poly without an external balancer? I do have a '59 poly motor without one. |
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Location: ZH, Switzerland | Hello, it's a very nice Suburban. Please keep it running.
About the Plymouth Poly engine. As far as I know all Plymouth Poly came with a factory external balancer. Elder Dodge engines (V8) didn't feature an external balancer right from the factory and the result was a soon engine failure (crankshaft cracked). The engine in my truck (a 1962 Dodge W200 Power Wagon based convertion truck) is a 318 Poly engine. At the balancer is the timing mark.
If I were you I would look around for an external balancer right now. Good luck.
Happy motoring
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Location: jersey | i believe it was removed in the pictures
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Location: CA | Well I believe the '59 and newer polys (2-bolt valve covers) are internally balanced. I've got a '59 326 (bored 318 for Dodges) which was never apart and it's not externally balanced. I've never seen a 57-58 poly which did not have the balancer on the front. |
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Location: ZH, Switzerland | I'm sorry I was not talking about the balancing - my earlier statement is referring to the torsion dampener.
Balancing: for the newer engines following rule is valid: except for the LA 360 all Mopar small blocks are internally balanced. The Plymouth Poly engine is the predecessor of the later LA 318 - many parts are common and I don't see why the balancing method should have changed during the production cylce.
Happy motoring!
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Location: jersey | Found in the car...
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Location: jersey | If all goes well car should debut at Carlisle.
She'll be repainted in as close to the original color as possible, with a max wedge hoodscoop, interior will be redone in as close to factory patterns as i can, torq thrust rims, FURYJIM sport tone inserts, a modern sound system(hidden) a rebuild 413 with a bracket master 2 cam, performer rpm intake, holley 750 carb, headman shorties( should work since it's a dodge chassis) and 3 inch exhaust with bullet mufflers. late model 727 and a b-body 8 3/4 with 3.91's, as this is what i already have. Would like to put in 3.55's for the drive to Carlisle.
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Location: jersey | The seats are done.
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Location: STL, MO | Can you put 1.74 ex valves in a 413 without notching the bores? |
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Location: Southern California | Hi Eric, welcome to the Forwardlook.
Thats a great lookin 58 burban you got there. I use to own that car before I sold it to Joe in NY. Its nice to see some pics after a 2 year absence. below are some pics of what she looked like the last day I had it before shipping her off. Dont know if you know the story on the car but its pretty cool. Heres the short version. I forget whom here but someone here I believe Savoy something told me about some old cars that were in a garage in La Mesa near San diego Ca. On a whim I decided to go see the cars at that address, turns out one of them was a 58 plymouth sport suburban which had been parked in that garage since 1970 or so. This car was well preserved no rust! The car was covered in 40 years of dirt and dust. to my surprise after I washed her she cleaned right up  The car had belonged to the father of a woman named Linda Peterson who had bought the car new and drove it for 12 years before it was parked . The home had been abandoned for sometime yet somehow the car remained in that garage all those years. I have some pics somewhere of how I found it covered in dirt and dust, I'll see if I can dig them up for you. Anyhow congrats on that car you wont find another survivor like it
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Location: jersey | Handygun - 2011-01-26 8:35 PM
Can you put 1.74 ex valves in a 413 without notching the bores?
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Location: jersey | she runs!
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Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Awesome old wagon!!!
I really enjoy seeing more and more of these returning to use. I guess that 4- doors and wagons are finally being appreciated.
Really diggin' this one.
I feel like I am playing catch-up on some of these older threads... lots of cool cars on this site.
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Location: jersey | Photobucket pics.
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Location: Big pimpin' | That's ALOT of valve for a 4.180 bore..Ain't this the car Jimmy Rawa is doing? I have seen his 440 '58 in person, and it is nice. |
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Location: Parts Unknown | 58sportsuburban - 2010-07-13 3:19 PM
Do to some nice finds at Carlisle, a dual quad 383, later model t-flite(still with pushbuttons) and a 3.91 sure grip from a body will be the drivetrain. Underhood will be made to look like a '58 golden commando, down to the red boot on 1 plug terminal. She's also gettin disc brakes from a volare/aspen, and a set of torq-thrusts. kinda like a parts runner wagon in the 60's for a Mopar race team. Color and Interior will remain stock. Nothing will be done to where it can't be restored to stock if the future calls for it.
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Location: jersey | dukeboy - 2011-05-19 6:36 AM
That's ALOT of valve for a 4.180 bore..Ain't this the car Jimmy Rawa is doing? I have seen his 440 '58 in person, and it is nice.
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