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D500Jim |
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Expert Posts: 1363 Location: Apeldoorn, Netherlands | Here's a striking example of matching color rims on what I presume seems to be a brand new 1957 Dodge Coronet. Would it be assumable that this was a factory option? Complete postcard can be seen at: http://www.forwardlook.eu/postcards/cards/CASanBernardinoAntlersHotel.php
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BigBlockMopar |
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Expert Posts: 3575 Location: Netherlands | I would *think* painted wheels would come mainly with 'dogdish' wheel caps. | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Neil will likely know the "factory facts" for the ins-n-outs of body color wheels, but my experience is that they are typically seen with "dog dish" wheel covers. Maybe that is only because they are more noticeable with more wheel exposed ? Can't speak for Dodge, but 58 DeSoto typically has Argent wheels, unless it has the body color wheels and dog dish hubcaps. Still, I cannot ever recall seeing paperwork directly stating this is how it was done. | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 394 Location: Royal Oak, MI | Makes sense... argent wheels blend better with chrome/stainless full wheel covers (only the thin outer edge of the rim is visible with the wheel cover on), while the dog-dish hubcaps need body-color wheels for a more "finished" look. | ||
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Account deactivated by owner's request Location: On this barrel | Their are a couple shown in this thread that have body colored rims: http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=29020&posts=32&start=1 | ||
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Expert Posts: 4034 Location: Connecticut | AFAIK, all rims were either argent (silver), black or in the case of Dodges, grayish with an outer band of white.. Any colored rims are a custom job. Practically speaking, it would have been too expensive to body color rims. Ron | ||
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Expert Posts: 3966 Location: DFW, TX | . (DirtyDuck_57Savoy-804px.jpg) Attachments ---------------- DirtyDuck_57Savoy-804px.jpg (61KB - 264 downloads) | ||
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Walter passed away on Jul 29, 2014. We will miss you, Walt! Posts: 5358 Location: Heaven Above (Formerly Oklahoma City,OK) | Are youse guys tellin' me I gotta repaint the rims on my '55. I done painted 'em twice already, primersealer(black) then Black and then Almond. Now you say they gotta me Argent, 'cause I got full 4 bar wheel covers ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Uncle Walt | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 907 Location: Magra, Sweden | This wreck show the outer rim was painted eggshell white with black center. (0723570000Loring04.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 0723570000Loring04.jpg (277KB - 270 downloads) | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | THAT'S the photo of the 56 Dodge wheel(s) that I was trying to find, in regards to a question about how the 1956 Dodge wheels were/are correctly-OEM painted. Thord, that wheel's inner area is actually a dark gray color, not black. The 57 Dodge, at the top of this thread does have dog-dish 'hubcaps' on it, so the wheels are body-painted. I've got an interesting BxW vintage photo of a stripper 57 Coronet convertible that has the standard full-width wheel covers on it, but, it has dark body-colored wheels. The car (even-) is a single color, no radio, no mirrors, and features a full-load of cheer-leader-looking damsels, parked in front of a "Root Beer" stand, so, it appears to be a sort of Publicity-photo set up. My thinking is that the dealership (or, the owner) installed the full wheel covers as an inexpensive way to jazz-up the car's appearance, beyond the car's having had the standard Doggie hubcaps originally on it. "Nobody", back then, would fool around with painting a car's wheels, so that it would match that new-car's body color, such as commonly occurs today. Edited by d500neil 2010-04-23 2:47 PM | ||
D500Jim |
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Expert Posts: 1363 Location: Apeldoorn, Netherlands | 55CRL - 2010-04-23 8:05 PM This wreck show the outer rim was painted eggshell white with black center. ...or..., it was color matched with the lower side of the body... | ||
D500Jim |
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Expert Posts: 1363 Location: Apeldoorn, Netherlands | d500neil - 2010-04-23 8:44 PM "Nobody", back then, would fool around with painting a car's wheels, so that it would match that new-car's body color, such as commonly occurs today. That's why these postcards/photos are so interesting, in the aspect that they represent the way these car were when (almost) new.
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d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Jim, that 56's lower body color is not the OEM 1956 "Sapphire White" color. | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | There's also a GREAT photo of the OEM 1959 Dodge's wheel(s), with the car residing on a car carrier, over on the "Postcards" message-thread, if anyone wants to find and post-up that image, here. | ||
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Expert Posts: 2612 Location: Parts Unknown | ronbo97 - 2010-04-23 1:10 PM AFAIK, all rims were either argent (silver), black or in the case of Dodges, grayish with an outer band of white.. Any colored rims are a custom job. Practically speaking, it would have been too expensive to body color rims. Ron Wouldn't it be expensive to paint the rims TWO colors (grayish with an outer band of white - as mentioned above) ??? Seems like that would cost more than the body color . . . I thought the rims were cream colored for a few years ??? | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | All cats, in the dark, are gray. All wheels were built/assembled in this shade of gray-ish primer, then, were finished coated in various colors, including the Universal-Factory color of eggshell-ish. For a long time, I had difficulty accepting that the dog-dish cars got a special painting of their wheels, but that certainly appears to be the case. The 57 Dodge advertising program featured all of the 'illustrated' cars wearing (air-brushed-in) color-coordinated wheels. Unfortunately, in the real-production-world, only the doggie-cars got color coordinated wheels. I've got a lot of 'factory/dealership' photographs showing even all black cars having only the 'white' wheel rims. Fortunately, the factory advertising 'implies' that some/all of the rest of the cars "could" have color-coordinated wheels, so, virtually all non-original (mine included) 57 Dodges are seen to have 'colored' wheels. In 1958+, the factory advertising only showed the white wheels as being universally installed ('sorry', 1958+ers!) Edited by d500neil 2010-04-23 7:15 PM | ||
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Expert Posts: 4034 Location: Connecticut | Neil - I have never seen any documentation that wheels came in any colors other than what I described in my previous post. I can't believe they would stop the line and paint the wheels pink or blue or green just because someone ordered (cheap-o) dog dish hubcaps. Makes no sense. B/G - The gray/white wheels were for all cars, no matter what color. The gray was probably the same mixture that they sprayed trunk and hood undersides for Plymouths, so the shade probably varied widely. Painting just the outer band off-white saved the company a few nickels on paint per wheel. Ron | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Ron, I'm 'with' you on dis-believing the in-efficiency of delaying the production/paint lines, to paint up a set of LOW-rent dog-dish wheels, but, I've never seen a real OEM photo of a Doggie-car that did NOT have body colored wheels on it. So, as my Freshman Psych-prof said : "It's not that I don't believe in ghosts [there being no 'Ghost-Funsters' shows on the tube, back then], just go BRING me one to look at." I've seen all of the doggie-cars wearing colored wheels on them; I'll go check my "Dodge Reporters" [in house newspaper] tonite, and maybe I'll find a "painted-Doggie", or two. Go look at Jim's stripper-Coronet sedan, again, at the head of this thread. Do you believe that the happy owner (or, God forbid, the dealer??) would have given a rat's-pattoukie(sp?) about whether the car's wheels happened to match the color of the lower body area, and, would have, then, painted them in the exact-same shade of blue, as the rest of the car? Edited by d500neil 2010-04-23 7:46 PM | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7805 Location: Williams California | I can remember Earl Scheib advertising their paint jobs as a youngster, and special offers included painting the wheels body color. Some of the old postcards are showing cars a few years old, and fender benders, sand storms, and other needs for a repaint may have occurred in that time span. ---John | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 636 | Not to make this any more confusing, but . . . the 58 Dodge wagons I have seen, including mine, have all-ivory wheels--no gray inner section. These are wheels that look original, off-white, with plenty of rust and wear at the rim. I'm talking about 3 or 4 cars here, so I do not pretend to know this was true across the board. But an original "wagon wheel" is 6 inches wide, so maybe the all-ivory wheels were painted to make it easier to select the wider wheel, where needed at the factory. Just to tweak it further, the 58 Dodge wagon brochure, shows a wheel in the spare tire bay . . . with the gray inside. GO FIGURE. Sparky Edited by sparky7 2010-04-24 12:09 AM | ||
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Account deactivated by owner's request Location: On this barrel | This is a striaght from the factory, non painted wheel from a 56 Dodge, that I own. Original. (wheel.JPG) Attachments ---------------- wheel.JPG (72KB - 259 downloads) | ||
D500Jim |
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Expert Posts: 1363 Location: Apeldoorn, Netherlands | Wow! A two tone wheel! Indeed that seems more expensive to fabricate, at first thought. Also, you'd start to suspect that the two separate parts are sprayed before they are assembled (welded). But then again, they might have used an employee's smart idea from the box and used a simple spray mold to do the job properly, and save on paint. Not that it is of any great importance, but I therefore would like to have a closer look at the inner side that 56 wheel. Both my 57s had lower body matching Ivory painted wheels, before I decided to have them upper body matched powder coated. | ||
D500Jim |
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Expert Posts: 1363 Location: Apeldoorn, Netherlands | big m - 2010-04-24 2:57 AM I can remember Earl Scheib advertising their paint jobs as a youngster, and special offers included painting the wheels body color. Some of the old postcards are showing cars a few years old, and fender benders, sand storms, and other needs for a repaint may have occurred in that time span. ---John This seems very likely. A very plausible explanation to me. But the reason I brought this up is that the 57 Dodge in the postcard at the top of this thread seems to be the youngest car there. Edited by Jim Hoek 2010-04-24 3:41 AM | ||
D500Jim |
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Expert Posts: 1363 Location: Apeldoorn, Netherlands | Looking at that 56 wheel again, it is almost like the center part is sprayed grey after the wheel was mounted. The nuts and threads seem to have to same gray. And do I see a little ivory where it is scratched? And rust (no grey) where the ivory on the rim is scratched? | ||
D500Jim |
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Expert Posts: 1363 Location: Apeldoorn, Netherlands | Filip (thanks) send me these, of his 1957 DeSoto Firesweep.
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Expert Posts: 1508 Location: new york | I've had a lot of original FL's and the Grey and white and argent wheels have been on every one. But I think body color look's nice or RED!!!! HAPPY MOTORING! Victor. P.S. Just returned from spring Carlisle . Not to many FL's , A nice 55 Dodge and a solid 60 Plymouth HT. | ||
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Expert Posts: 2612 Location: Parts Unknown | Great pics !!! Does anyone know if the factory ever just had the rims painted cream/off-white only ? What about the trucks of the same years ??? Am I to believe the factory never had the rims body color ??? (any years) . . . ? | ||
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Expert Posts: 1218 Location: Warren, Michigan | Is it at all possible that the paint booth at the dealer (if so equipped) could have done something like that AFTER it left the factory? | ||
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d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Those rims had to have been painted by the owner, or the dealer, or, it was built with the standard equipment dog dish small hubcaps on it. I could bore the hell out of you-all who doubt this, by posting many OEM-factory/dealership photos, from the Dodge Reporter which show ALL 57-58 Dodges (not having the dog-dish hubcaps, that is) as having the white-ish wheel rims installed on them. In that regard, I just looked at my 57-58 Dodge Reporters, and, unfortunately, the only dog dish hubcaps seen therein are installed on white-ish looking cars. I'm going to send Clive a large-ish photo therefrom, showing a 57 Royal 4-dr sedan (as confirmed by its fin-emblem) which has the doggies on it. You'll note that the 'body color' has been applied WELL-inboard on the wheel (to the extent that the body-color reaches, at least, the perimeter of the small dog dish hubcap), as compared to the spread of the gray-primer, as seen on the wheel cover-equipped cars on this thread, and elsewhere. The wheel painting, on the dog-dish cars may well extend to a virtual covering of the complete inner area of the wheel, because the body-color obviously extends past the outer edges of the dog dishes. Pic sent to Sir Clive..... Edited by d500neil 2010-04-25 12:06 AM | ||
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Location: The Mile High City | It was coded for the spinners (what's more, I think in '58 at least - full wheel covers were standard on all but the Coronets). That leaves only the first two possibilities - perhaps! "Nobody", back then, would fool around with painting a car's wheels, so that it would match that new-car's body color, such as commonly occurs today. Edited by Lancer Mike 2010-04-25 12:38 AM | ||
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Location: The Mile High City | Were black wall tires standard equipment on Dodges up and down the line? It would be interesting to see an old photo of a factory black wall tire with a eggshell rim. Once you step up to the white wall tire, the eggshell rim makes perfect sense. | ||
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Board Moderator & Exner Expert 10K+ Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | d500neil - 2010-04-25 4:55 AM Those rims had to have been painted by the owner, or the dealer, or, it was built with the standard equipment dog dish small hubcaps on it. I could bore the hell out of you-all who doubt this, by posting many OEM-factory/dealership photos, from the Dodge Reporter which show ALL 57-58 Dodges (not having the dog-dish hubcaps, that is) as having the white-ish wheel rims installed on them. In that regard, I just looked at my 57-58 Dodge Reporters, and, unfortunately, the only dog dish hubcaps seen therein are installed on white-ish looking cars. I'm going to send Clive a large-ish photo therefrom, showing a 57 Royal 4-dr sedan (as confirmed by its fin-emblem) which has the doggies on it. You'll note that the 'body color' has been applied WELL-inboard on the wheel (to the extent that the body-color reaches, at least, the perimeter of the small dog dish hubcap), as compared to the spread of the gray-primer, as seen on the wheel cover-equipped cars on this thread, and elsewhere. The wheel painting, on the dog-dish cars may well extend to a virtual covering of the complete inner area of the wheel, because the body-color obviously extends past the outer edges of the dog dishes. Pic sent to Sir Clive..... This is the best view of a Dog Dish equipped car, that I found, in the Dodge Reporter in-house newspapers that I have for 1957-1958. I could not find any dog-dish cars which have a dark lower body, with corresponding dark-colored wheels, unfortunately. This car is a 57 Royal 4-dr sedan, which also has a nice view of its undercarriage. What's really interesting about this car is that it has white wall tires, with the dog-dish hubcaps. Note that the light-ish body-color paint that has been applied to the wheels completely covers-over the gray primer which is seen on the other (full-wheel-covered-) cars' wheels on this thread. The question now is: was that body-color paint applied all the way to the center of the wheel, or was there still some gray primer that was not covered-over by the body-color paint? (189.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 189.jpg (109KB - 254 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1053 Location: Ny | Looking through various pictures I have, including the photocopies sent to me from CHS, I thought that the 55 desoto's came with a factory black wheel. All wheels on mine were black. However, we made a small discovery as we were replacing the tires on the front. The right front wheel was not original, but the left was. And the back side of the wheel appears to be painted blue. Were the fronts repainted later down the road? Or did they use a colored primer? I just thought it interesting and worth sharing here. (S8304529.JPG) (S8304528.JPG) Attachments ---------------- S8304529.JPG (129KB - 251 downloads) S8304528.JPG (124KB - 247 downloads) | ||
D500Jim |
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Expert Posts: 1363 Location: Apeldoorn, Netherlands | Another postcard with body color matching wheels.
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d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | ...That's a black car, with dog dish hubcaps on it (and having black painted wheels). | ||
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Expert Posts: 1363 Location: Apeldoorn, Netherlands |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Thanks, Jim; now go to bed! Meant to add, above, that the stripper Coro vert may have been owned by a local dealership, and that it may have been provided to the A & W as being a prop for the publicity photo; if the Girls were promoting their school, it would, logically, have been identified, in the photo set up IF the car was owned by the A&W , "A&W" should have been shown on it, for advertising purposes, one would think. And, apparently, naming of the dealership was not a priority, either. Hard to believe that the car may have been privately owed, and that the owner, who had some-sort of affinity for teen aged girls....ahem...would NOT have been interested in having a RADIO be installed in the car, a convertible model???? Also, that 1960 Plymouth vert, with the dog dish hubcaps on it, is the top-of-the-line FURY model. Edited by d500neil 2010-04-25 9:32 PM | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 314 Location: Fairfield County, CT | My contribution to this thread is an example of the argent rims as found on a 59 Dodge Coronet (Custom) built in the Delaware plant. The back is a medium gray (what's left of it). The 59's (and maybe others) had a very deep bead that seemed to curl over a bit to hold the wheelcovers that clipped in there. You can tell a 59 wheel because you can see the wheelcover "bite" marks into the bead and no scratches where they normally are. (59 Dodge wheel.jpg) (59 Dodge back.jpg) (59 Dodge rim.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 59 Dodge wheel.jpg (288KB - 248 downloads) 59 Dodge back.jpg (292KB - 241 downloads) 59 Dodge rim.jpg (268KB - 266 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Joe, can you, or someone else, go over to the "Postcards" thread (last page on it, to date) and post-up the great image on it of the 59 Dodges that are seen, sitting on the car-carrier? | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 988 Location: Kansas City, Kansas | This is a great thread. I hope we come to some conclusions with it. I seem to see a lot of contradictions. For the record, my original '60 Adventurer with full wheel covers has satin black wheels. I know a VERY few '60 Fireflites were built with dogdish caps. Does anyone know if all of those cars also came with satin black wheels? | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 471 Location: MN | If you'll take the word of a kid following Dad, a new car salesman, around the garage, I remember 55- 59 Dodges having white wheels w/ gray centers on full wheel cover cars & cars w/ hub caps being body colored. Plymouths were argent, I think Desoto were like the Plyms. Some younger guys painted wheels black a nice contrast w/o wheel covers or hub caps. In 60 & newer things changed all wheel cover cars had black wheels & color keyed for hub caps. Note the Goodyear Custom Power Cushion spare tire, the standard tire on a Dodge upgradfe to ww. Thanks for all the great era photos, note the Regal & Spring Special & other often overlooked 58's. I'm surprised @ the # of solid color cars. Our town there were nearly all 2 tone cars excepting a few black solids. We had an auto show @ the armory back in 57,58, they were effective. Probably the gala event in a small town next to fall new car showtime. Wheels we find on a car now may have been on several cars in 50 years time | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 314 Location: Fairfield County, CT | Here's the picture Neil asked to be posted showing 59 Dodges being rolled off a carrier. Obviously there are numerous correct O.E. rim finishes. These resemble the 56 style two-tone rims. The explanation could be the sources of the rims used at different plants. That's why I pointed out that my 59 was a Delaware car. It would be interesting to know where these cars were built. Another example of there being multiple correct original looks on a Mopar. (59 Dodge transport.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 59 Dodge transport.jpg (138KB - 240 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 988 Location: Kansas City, Kansas | Joe Mac - 2010-04-26 9:41 PM Here's the picture Neil asked to be posted showing 59 Dodges being rolled off a carrier. Obviously there are numerous correct O.E. rim finishes. These resemble the 56 style two-tone rims. The explanation could be the sources of the rims used at different plants. That's why I pointed out that my 59 was a Delaware car. It would be interesting to know where these cars were built. Another example of there being multiple correct original looks on a Mopar. Since the full wheel cover'd cars were shipped without the wheel covers, how were the wheel covers shipped? Did the dealer already have boxes of them or were they placed in the trunk to protect them from theft/loss during shipment? | ||
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Expert Posts: 1819 Location: Vancouver, BC | slimwhitman - 2010-04-26 7:57 PM Joe Mac - 2010-04-26 9:41 PM Here's the picture Neil asked to be posted showing 59 Dodges being rolled off a carrier. Obviously there are numerous correct O.E. rim finishes. These resemble the 56 style two-tone rims. The explanation could be the sources of the rims used at different plants. That's why I pointed out that my 59 was a Delaware car. It would be interesting to know where these cars were built. Another example of there being multiple correct original looks on a Mopar. Since the full wheel cover'd cars were shipped without the wheel covers, how were the wheel covers shipped? Did the dealer already have boxes of them or were they placed in the trunk to protect them from theft/loss during shipment? In the trunk | ||
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Account deactivated by owner's request Location: On this barrel | Here are three examples of wheels matching a body color. (a.JPG) (b.jpg) (c.jpg) Attachments ---------------- a.JPG (37KB - 241 downloads) b.jpg (122KB - 245 downloads) c.jpg (87KB - 252 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Robert, unfortunately, highly re-touched/air-brushed advertising-agency illustrations are the least-authentic images that exist on our cars. Next in line are any images of any 'restored' cars. Vintage-original photographs are usually reliable and reference-able images, but, there are cars which have been (apparently) modified, like Mike's 58 with its dark wheels, and 'my' photo of that 57 Coronet vert with its dark wheels, which can and do confuse the issue as to whether a particular car's appearances is OEM correct, or not. Then, there are the misleading images and/or statements contained within various factory publications, including, even, the Ross Roy Propaganda brochures. Factory-photos, of NON-prototype cars, and any un-questionably-Original/Surviving cars are the Gold Standard in showing how one or more cars were actually built at a particular (.... because variances exist between THEM, too; E.G.: trunk finishings) factory. In Re; the 57 Dodges, the advertising agency was apparently instructed to air-brush-in the cars' main body colors onto their wheels. There are a wide variety of body colors that are seen on the 'advertised' 57 Dodges. The advertising illustrations have allowed 'us' to body-paint our cars' wheels and to claim (with varying extents of disingenuous-ness) : "....That was how the factory painted them", when, in truth : ...."That was how the ADVERTISING AGENCY 'painted' them", is the correct statement. | ||
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Expert Posts: 1819 Location: Vancouver, BC | ronbo97 - 2010-04-23 4:23 PM Neil - I have never seen any documentation that wheels came in any colors other than what I described in my previous post. I can't believe they would stop the line and paint the wheels pink or blue or green just because someone ordered (cheap-o) dog dish hubcaps. Makes no sense. B/G - The gray/white wheels were for all cars, no matter what color. The gray was probably the same mixture that they sprayed trunk and hood undersides for Plymouths, so the shade probably varied widely. Painting just the outer band off-white saved the company a few nickels on paint per wheel. Why can't anyone believe someone would order wheels painted the body colour? That was the norm until the mid-1950's. And they would not stop the line while someone painted some wheels. Just as with any factory installed option on a car, the item would be ready for installation when the time came. Thus if anyone ordered wheels painted body colour the wheels would be painted and dried in time for the tires to be installed. | ||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | An interesting aspect of the painting of the wheels (on stripper cars, typically) is that there are no special-highlighted numerical-codings on the Broadcast Sheets or IBM cards regarding any special-handling/painting for a set of wheels. There are "wheelcover" options, but, those codings are buried within the body of the B.Sheets and IBM cards, and easy to 'miss' seeing. A car, without a wheelcover option code, would receive the dog dish hubcaps and painted wheels. I wonder if there were special instruction 'sheets' which would be sent to the painters, to tell them that a set of certain-colored wheels should be painted-up, for delivery to the chassis-station on the assembly line (as occurred with the dashboard assemblers and painters)?--YES, huh? | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 988 Location: Kansas City, Kansas | Chrycoman - 2010-04-27 8:23 PM Why can't anyone believe someone would order wheels painted the body colour? That was the norm until the mid-1950's. And they would not stop the line while someone painted some wheels. Just as with any factory installed option on a car, the item would be ready for installation when the time came. Thus if anyone ordered wheels painted body colour the wheels would be painted and dried in time for the tires to be installed. Bill, For someone to "order" painted wheels, wouldn't that have to be a standard "option" listed in ordering paperwork? (unless you had insider connections). I really have no idea what the correct answer is, but I would expect it would need to be listed as a "option". If it's not listed as a orderable option to a dealership, than how would anyone know to order it or offer it to a customer? (making color-coodinated wheels ultra-rare). Wouldn't the more likely scenerio be that the dealership painted the wheels on some of the cars with dogdish caps (or maybe even full wheels cover cars) to give them a little pizazz on the the dealership lot? Edited by slimwhitman 2010-04-27 10:08 PM | ||
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