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hemidave
Posted 2013-05-25 10:08 PM (#377146 - in reply to #178862)
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57burb
Posted 2013-05-30 10:18 AM (#377956 - in reply to #377146)
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hemidave
Posted 2013-05-30 11:20 PM (#378097 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2013-05-31 12:25 AM (#378106 - in reply to #378097)
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Track racing on Saturday and drag racing on Sunday.
Corvettes, porche, Camaro, Plymouth ... Forf Falcon 60'talet racing against one another. Here are some pictures



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60 Imp
Posted 2013-05-31 7:38 AM (#378122 - in reply to #178862)
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Location: North Australia		Nice Photos.
What is that No 43 (the old one)? Part 59 Plym, some 59 Des'' and something else? Note the 60 Plym paint outs on the front. Awesome looking FL race car, that's for sure.

Oh yeah. And the 61 Val leading the charge down the strip is sick. Nice!

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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-05-31 8:39 AM (#378131 - in reply to #378122)
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And the 61 Val leading the charge down the strip is sick. Nice !


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Beep-beep! Beep-beep! .... His horn went beep-beep-beep!
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Ray Bell
Posted 2013-05-31 9:41 AM (#378142 - in reply to #178862)
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57burb
Posted 2013-05-31 1:34 PM (#378174 - in reply to #378122)
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60 Imp - 2013-05-31 6:38 AM

Nice Photos.
What is that No 43 (the old one)? Part 59 Plym, some 59 Des'' and something else? Note the 60 Plym paint outs on the front. Awesome looking FL race car, that's for sure.

That is an export '59 DeSoto. They used Firesweep front clips on Plymouth bodies.

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hemidave
Posted 2013-05-31 3:35 PM (#378183 - in reply to #178862)
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At the drags...



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ttotired
Posted 2013-05-31 7:40 PM (#378203 - in reply to #178862)
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Location: Perth Australia		Go the 60 plym

Who said the rear stablisers (fins) did nothing

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longram60
Posted 2013-05-31 10:39 PM (#378235 - in reply to #178862)
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57burb
Posted 2013-06-10 6:59 PM (#380185 - in reply to #378235)
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Location: DFW, TX		I found a color photo of the straight-axle '57 Fury from the previous page. Neat car.



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hemidave
Posted 2013-06-10 9:10 PM (#380212 - in reply to #178862)
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d500neil
Posted 2013-06-17 8:39 PM (#381528 - in reply to #178862)
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This was e-mailed by S.O.T., who wondered whether any D500-1's showed up for the
proceedings....



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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-06-17 11:23 PM (#381559 - in reply to #381528)
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d500neil
Posted 2013-06-17 11:39 PM (#381560 - in reply to #381559)
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hemidave
Posted 2013-07-08 9:56 PM (#384895 - in reply to #178862)
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longram60
Posted 2013-08-13 12:55 PM (#391036 - in reply to #178862)
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Ran best ever 12.33 @ 108mph.
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Posted 2013-08-13 5:22 PM (#391065 - in reply to #178862)
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Location: Perth Australia		They are good times

I had a 1970 fairlane (very slightly played with) street car that did flat 14s

I did this about 20 times in one day, we had a club day at the strip, so you could just line up and go for it.

Nearly caught the bug, started thinking about what to do to make it faster

I now have a new desktop pic

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d500neil
Posted 2013-08-13 6:27 PM (#391071 - in reply to #178862)
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Bought five issues of Hot Rod, at Hot August Nights.

Here's some eye candy from the 10/57 issue:



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d500neil
Posted 2013-08-20 4:04 PM (#392494 - in reply to #178862)
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Here's some photos, from the 1960 Daytona Beach clam bake, with some good views of
the Pettys' hardtops.

BTW, the Dodge Boy, there is Jim Whitman, driving Dick Stanley's car.

Jim started in 41st (out of 68 qualifiers) and DNF'ed on lap 116 (out of 200) from "Engine"
failure; he/Dick got $700.00 for their efforts.

The two Pettys took home $10,100.00 !!!!!!!!

The winner, Junior Johnson, received $19,600.00 and second place Bobby Johns received $8,600.00

Both Johnson and Johns were driving 1959 Generic Motors curs; a Chubster and a Poncho dis-
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d500neil
Posted 2013-08-20 4:30 PM (#392497 - in reply to #178862)
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And, not to overlook our FWDLK little-buddies (as much "Forwardlooking", as the 61-62
CHRY/IMP's were "not" FWDLK'ers).....here's the 60 Valiants kicking ass at Daytona.

In typical manner, whenever a MoPar engine/design does well in competition, the RULES get
changed so that the Lesser-Two brands can compete with them.

If a Curvfair would have dominated this race, the compact car division would have been
expanded.

Same thing occurred with Kiekaefer's cars, and would happen again with the 426 Hemi
engine (which, strangely enough, you always see being painted in its OEM colors).



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57burb
Posted 2013-08-25 11:29 AM (#393284 - in reply to #178862)
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d500neil
Posted 2013-08-25 7:24 PM (#393337 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2013-08-26 12:52 AM (#393385 - in reply to #178862)
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Ray Bell
Posted 2013-09-04 10:18 PM (#395454 - in reply to #178862)
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Location: Dalveen, Queensland, Australia		Neil, that De Soto would have had a lap or two behind it before it posed its posterior for that photo...

Someone sent me some pics the other day. They were in the new Mike Argetsinger/Bill Green book about Watkins Glen, there's no Chrysler product showing in the photos from the '57 NASCAR race there, but there's a wagon in the background of a shot of a '64 Dodge in the '64 race.
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Posted 2013-09-05 3:05 AM (#395500 - in reply to #178862)
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hemidave
Posted 2013-09-06 4:35 PM (#395929 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2013-09-06 10:12 PM (#395982 - in reply to #395929)
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Posted 2013-09-30 6:23 PM (#400655 - in reply to #395982)
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but being so small and light he took me going into the turn....
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I put up a good fight, but dammit Toad, the man had me.
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Posted 2013-09-30 6:29 PM (#400660 - in reply to #178862)
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Sure-Grips anyone?
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ttotired
Posted 2013-09-30 6:44 PM (#400664 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2013-09-30 6:58 PM (#400668 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2013-11-11 6:27 PM (#410021 - in reply to #178862)
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Topless racing....



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d500neil
Posted 2013-11-11 7:25 PM (#410033 - in reply to #178862)
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Note how a 57 D500 corners/oversteers; nose-up; this car wooda made
mince meat (or, kidney pie) outta that 'rod.

And, yeah, Cars magazine's photo editor didn't look very closely at the photo.






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Posted 2013-11-11 7:47 PM (#410042 - in reply to #178862)
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But, I'm sure that John could 'take' this bloke.



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Posted 2013-11-12 3:27 PM (#410261 - in reply to #178862)
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Location: bishop, ca		Seriously, John, if you are going to make it a habit to go around corners quickly, you should regularly check
the condition of the wheel bearings (and tie rods, etc) because they can wear out and score the bearing
surfaces of the wheel spindles....and, you do not want to have that happen (been there, done that, but got
no T-shirt in the process).

I know you want to keep your car's stock suspension, but 57+ Imperial spindles and bearings are bigger than the
Dodge/Plymouth pieces.


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Posted 2013-11-12 8:08 PM (#410348 - in reply to #178862)
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Nice FURY



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d500neil
Posted 2013-11-13 1:42 AM (#410410 - in reply to #178862)
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Location: bishop, ca		Another thing, that everyone who wants to maximize his car's performance should do, is...get your distributor
re-curved, with an appropriate vacuum advance installed.

Our cars' dissies are WAY too conservatively timed; even (especially) the 300-types.



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Posted 2013-11-13 1:45 AM (#410411 - in reply to #410410)
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FIN ME
Posted 2013-11-13 9:46 AM (#410444 - in reply to #178862)
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Great shot of your fantastic Belvedere, longram60!

Looks like a lot of fun!
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d500neil
Posted 2013-11-13 4:04 PM (#410523 - in reply to #178862)
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Location: bishop, ca		The appropriate (amount of-) vacuum advance is dependent upon the extent of the engine's dialed-in Initial
Advance (less than 12, for sure; sweet spot for street driving is 8-9 degrees), plus the dissie's built-in
(or modified...) Mechanical Advancement, which, in addition to the engine's I.A., should total to no more
than about 36 degrees (sweet spot, again, is about 33-35 degrees of Total Mechanical Advancement).

The Vacuum Advance(ment) should provide an additional amount of (steady-state/high-speed cruising) advance,
so that the Total Advancement should not exceed about 50 degrees.

At WOT, the V.A. is inoperative; it only engages at high(er) vacuum levels, because the engine speed is much lower
at sustained cruise mode, and the dissie can allow the spark plugs to fire with the piston further down in the combustion
cylinder, for increased, efficient fuel burning during the Power Stroke, which allows for better performance and MPG.

And, the "amount" of Vacuum Advancement is dependent upon the weight of the dissie's two return springs, because
the (OEM) heavier ones may not allow the dissie to reach its Total M.A. until E.G.: 4,800 RPM, and/or until 50+ degrees
of Total Advancement is reached.

2-barrel carbs do not provide a maximum fuel:air mixture to fill the combustion chambers, so, their V.A., and T.A.
are often set for well-above 50 degrees of T.A. .

So, for our Hemi/Poly engines, their distributors need to be attended to by a dissie-doctor who has a Sun Analyzer,
who can increase (typically, by a lot-) the built in M.A., to around 28 degrees, and who can install two light-
weight return springs in it, for fast(er) timing advancement.

After that-all is done, the 'needed-amount' of the Vacuum Advancement can be determined, so as to attain T.A. of 48-50 degrees.

Simple, huh?


....For my own ride, my Dissie doc confirmed that my "Holy Grail" (the only-such Hemi/Poly dissie) 1955 Windsor dual-points
IAZ 4001E dissie has 27 (and, not the 28 degrees that it is 'supposed' to have in it)...degrees of built-in M.A. .

I was (only) able to find a 16-degree VA. unit (14 and 16 degree units are rare, but, some V.A.'s are adjustable)
so, the 27 +16= 43, so, I have set the I.A. at (only) 6 degrees in order to attain 49 degrees of T.A.

And, at 4k' elevation, I run 87 octane gas all-day/all-time, with those timing advancements.

At sea level, I'd probably need to install Mid-Grade, or maybe, Premium gas, in Horrie's 9.25:1 c.r. Hemi engine,
in order to prevent detonation (engine knocking) from occurring.

As they say: your results may vary.







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hemidave
Posted 2013-12-06 4:38 PM (#414747 - in reply to #178862)
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Beech Ridge Speedway in Maine. A few friends and I raced a couple of cars there in the early 70s.



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Posted 2013-12-26 7:25 AM (#418479 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2013-12-26 1:26 PM (#418525 - in reply to #178862)
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58sportsuburban
Posted 2013-12-26 7:46 PM (#418591 - in reply to #178862)
Subject: RE: Cruisin's cool but who goes RACIN!?!?!?!



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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-12-26 8:24 PM (#418594 - in reply to #418591)
Subject: RE: Cruisin's cool but who goes RACIN!?!?!?!



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hemidave
Posted 2013-12-28 3:36 PM (#418939 - in reply to #418594)
Subject: RE: Cruisin's cool but who goes RACIN!?!?!?!



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Doctor DeSoto - 2013-12-26 8:24 PM

What was Ford running in those 60 Galaxies to make them competitive ? Surely not a 312 !


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DIF-RNT
Posted 2013-12-28 4:54 PM (#418958 - in reply to #178862)
Subject: RE: Cruisin's cool but who goes RACIN!?!?!?!



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57burb
Posted 2014-01-06 2:10 PM (#420656 - in reply to #418958)
Subject: RE: Cruisin's cool but who goes RACIN!?!?!?!



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