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tuffshift
Posted 2010-03-10 7:40 PM (#213259 - in reply to #178862)
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The pics refuse to post here for me...but here are a couple URL's

1961 300G vs 1965 300L 4sp

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v147/MagikDraggin/Other%20Stuff/61-300G-vs-65-300L.jpg

1961 300G vd 1960 300F

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v147/MagikDraggin/Other%20Stuff/scan-2.jpg

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57burb
Posted 2010-03-22 11:00 AM (#215215 - in reply to #213259)
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Handygun
Posted 2010-03-22 2:01 PM (#215237 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2010-03-22 2:17 PM (#215238 - in reply to #178862)
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57burb
Posted 2010-03-22 2:45 PM (#215242 - in reply to #215237)
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Handygun - 2010-03-22 1:01 PM

... where do you find this stuff?!

Magic!

What's funny is that I now have people that find stuff and send it to me. This image was somewhere on the moparts.com board.
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d500neil
Posted 2010-03-22 4:28 PM (#215253 - in reply to #215242)
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Location: bishop, ca		And, what's a little bit unusual about the car is that, it's sponsored by a dealership (sometime in the mid+ sixties)
and yet the bodywork/painting is not tricked out, which would certainly add to its promotional (and psychological!)
impact.

It doesn't even have mag wheels in front.

But, hey, the hood and the roof are a second color, anyway.




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Ray Bell
Posted 2010-03-22 4:55 PM (#215258 - in reply to #178862)
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57burb
Posted 2010-03-22 4:59 PM (#215259 - in reply to #215253)
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Location: DFW, TX		The dealership callout shows Rogers, Arkansas. I believe the hood is body-color on that car. The class designation is B/MP which is Modified Production, B-category. Modified Production as a class was introduced in 1964. MP cars are usually easy to pick out of the crowd, look for factory bodies with full hoods (scoops were legal), stock wheelbase, and bumpers front and rear. It was a popular "average Joe" racing class in the 60s.

If the car was photographed in 1966, these are the rules it would have competed by. The rules would change slightly by year, but I think that is a good assumption of the year for the photo. At 3717lbs, it could have competed with a 413, and at 3834, it could have raced with a 426. There is an engine displacement callout on the scoop, but I can't read it.



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d500neil
Posted 2010-03-22 5:44 PM (#215268 - in reply to #178862)
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Location: bishop, ca		Thanks, Danny; so, do y'all think that mag wheels would be allowed, in MP class?





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B/G 61
Posted 2010-03-22 5:52 PM (#215270 - in reply to #178862)
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Location: Parts Unknown		Awesome pic ! I thought that square Chrysler/Plymouth logo on the door didn't come out till the 70's ????
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Kenny J.
Posted 2010-03-22 6:57 PM (#215280 - in reply to #215270)
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B/G 61 - 2010-03-22 2:52 PM

Awesome pic ! I thought that square Chrysler/Plymouth logo on the door didn't come out till the 70's ????


I remember it from the late 1960s, at least by the 1968 model year. Not all dealerships adopted it immediately. Some read "Chrysler Plymouth Imperial", with the word 'Imperial" at the bottom, in white letters with a dark blue background.

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57burb
Posted 2010-03-22 8:06 PM (#215289 - in reply to #215268)
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d500neil - 2010-03-22 4:44 PM

Thanks, Danny; so, do y'all think that mag wheels would be allowed, in MP class?


Oh sure, no question. The image below isn't a rule book, but outlines some of the general class rules when it was introduced. There was never any restriction on wheel styles or materials. Below that is an image of a '63 Dodge that competed in MP in 1964, with mag wheels. Couldn't find any more FL racers to use as an example.

Someone else mentioned the Plymouth logo, and the earliest I see that Plymouth script is 1964. I'm not sure when it was merged with the Chrysler logo to make that rectangular logo, or if that was strictly a dealer-only logo and not used in Plymouth ads. But we can at least narrow the picture down to be 1964 or later. Here are some Mopar ads from '62-65.

http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/1962-1965moparads.html

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B/G 61
Posted 2010-03-23 5:30 PM (#215424 - in reply to #178862)
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B/G 61
Posted 2010-03-23 9:25 PM (#215471 - in reply to #178862)
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57burb
Posted 2010-03-26 3:04 PM (#215888 - in reply to #178862)
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d500neil
Posted 2010-03-26 3:44 PM (#215892 - in reply to #215888)
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Location: bishop, ca		What's weird, on that 61 rat-rod/tow car creation is that 'they' used 20" wheels on it; like,
that's not a giveaway.

Most rat rods don't use anything (obviously-) modern on them.




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B/G 61
Posted 2010-03-26 4:22 PM (#215903 - in reply to #178862)
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57burb you come up with GREAT pics - keep um comin




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B/G 61
Posted 2010-03-26 7:20 PM (#215926 - in reply to #178862)
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d500neil
Posted 2010-03-26 7:25 PM (#215927 - in reply to #178862)
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Location: bishop, ca		The car might have belonged to someone associated with the SoCal Timing Association, but
it wasn't donated or sponsored by any dealership, which seems kind of unusual, given the
growing popularity of organized (drag-) racing events, in 1960-61.

You'd think that a dealership would have been happy to provide a 4-dr sedan to a racing
organization, that would drive around with the dealership's name prominently displayed on
the car.

The Valiant, above, lives in SoCal (got photos of it at Spring/Fall Flings) and it holds
World records for its 6-cyl class.

It's engine and cylinder head are both OEM aluminum alloy.










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57burb
Posted 2010-03-27 12:19 AM (#215960 - in reply to #215927)
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B/G 61
Posted 2010-03-27 7:56 PM (#216043 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2010-03-27 10:00 PM (#216052 - in reply to #216043)
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Location: Big pimpin'		Now THAT'S what I Call a Speedo Faceplate decal! 4000 = 129 MPH...Stuck on with tape....High tech...And Cool..

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d500neil
Posted 2010-03-28 3:57 PM (#216112 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2010-03-29 7:57 AM (#216206 - in reply to #198232)
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a 10.0:1 compression ratio (what is it: 10.5 :1 ?) across the board. Since the smaller DeSoto engine has the same ratio of combustion
chamber volume to cylinder volume as the largest in the line, it follows that the chamber volume of the 361-





Not nesessarily true...We just had this problem with a supposedly 10.5:1 350 Golden Commando engine and found out while it was advertised at that, the ACTUAL CC volume of the heads and the pistons in the holes caused the REAL WORLD compression to be around 9.0:! at BEST.....Pistons were in the holes around .060.........
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B/G 61
Posted 2010-03-29 9:04 AM (#216210 - in reply to #216052)
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dukeboy - 2010-03-27 10:00 PM

Now THAT'S what I Call a Speedo Faceplate decal! 4000 = 129 MPH...Stuck on with tape....High tech...And Cool..


Yea, what's the last one say ? 6900 = 200 ? real high tech !!!









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Posted 2010-03-29 9:47 AM (#216214 - in reply to #178862)
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57burb
Posted 2010-03-29 10:31 AM (#216217 - in reply to #216214)
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Posted 2010-03-29 10:48 AM (#216218 - in reply to #216217)
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I see someone added a non-stock oil filler to the close valve cover. Hmmm ....
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57burb
Posted 2010-03-29 11:55 AM (#216224 - in reply to #216218)
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Those deals on the end of the valve covers aren't oil fillers; they are breathers, which allows the crankcase to "breathe" at high RPMs.

I'll hazzard a guess about what the corrugated tube going from the intake oil fill is doing. I think it may be going down to the exhaust header and joined in such a way that exhaust pulses are actually "sucking" crankcase vapors from inside the engine. The breathers, then, would actually be air inlets for a primitive crankcase pressure evacuation system. In effect, this is free horsepower, since the internal engine parts are operating in a vacuum and are free to move about without pushing air around. Also, a vacuum in the crankcase helps rings to seal better.

Having a crankcase evac system is SOP on modern race cars. They usually run electric pumps for this purpose, but some classes do not allow them. In that case, they run a system like I described.

Again, this is just a guess, and if anyone knows better I'd also like to know what it is.
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Posted 2010-03-29 12:09 PM (#216228 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2010-03-29 12:14 PM (#216231 - in reply to #216224)
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B/G 61
Posted 2010-03-29 12:17 PM (#216232 - in reply to #216231)
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dukeboy - 2010-03-29 12:14 PM

I'd like to see how well that engine cooled at Those High RPM's with the top radiator hose kinked off like it is in the pic....


At 200 mph there sould be enough air blowin through there to help !!! But you are right - seems like it would be an issue once they were runnin for a few miles or so - or when they stopped . . .









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Posted 2010-03-29 1:08 PM (#216239 - in reply to #178862)
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Location: Scottsdale, AZ		These pics remind me of my step-dad's '62 Dodge or Plymouth he used to bracket race in Sacramento and No. Cali in the 70's. It had, I believe, a big block with long cross rams on it. I don't remember everything about it, but I remember it was loud and fast! And the carbs and manifold looked really cool, I had never seen one before. He sold it later and built a '67 Nova II with a small block and faster, letting him move up in the brackets I guess. I remember I didn't like the Dodge body style (I'm sure influenced by my father's dislike of Mopar and love of GM's), but that motor was just so cool!

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B/G 61
Posted 2010-04-20 8:31 PM (#219440 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2010-05-12 7:54 PM (#223051 - in reply to #178862)
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dragula426
Posted 2010-05-14 8:46 AM (#223310 - in reply to #223051)
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Location: duluth mn.		hey.... that's my car! that pic is from the car craft nationals in i think 1997. i'm actually working on it again... hasn't been out since 1998. total redo. cool cars on this thread, i'm one who isn't afraid to modify or USE my cars. having the date coded air in the tires does nothing for me. carry on.
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Posted 2010-05-14 9:14 AM (#223315 - in reply to #178862)
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Somewhat unlike fresh leather trim, but distinctive all the same.
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d500neil
Posted 2010-05-15 4:34 PM (#223496 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2010-05-15 11:18 PM (#223554 - in reply to #223496)
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d500neil - 2010-05-15 3:34 PM

Tony, speaking of date-coded air---is that the OEM paint on the car, and on it (Dog-Dished) wheels?




close to oem color i guess, but not exact, and yes dog dishes only because budget wouldn't allow different at the time(1997 or so). i'll post a pic of the car in it's current state of progress or lack there of!



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Posted 2010-05-16 12:00 AM (#223557 - in reply to #223554)
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Posted 2010-05-16 10:02 AM (#223606 - in reply to #178862)
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That looks like some SERIOUS race car - I see some other cars "we" might want to know more about
in the background -
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Posted 2010-05-16 10:59 AM (#223611 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2010-05-16 8:45 PM (#223698 - in reply to #223606)
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B/G 61 - 2010-05-16 9:02 AM

Are those pentastar cup holders !?!?! What kinda motor you gonna be runnin ? Nuclear reactor !?!?!?
That looks like some SERIOUS race car - I see some other cars "we" might want to know more about
in the background - ;)



yes, i'm trying to keep the mopar/ pentastar theme going with the cup holders.....i'll post a few more examples later. i was gonna run a big hemi, but cost wise it will be easier to get the car done with a wedge.

the other cars in my drive way have a story of there own.... the 59 dodge is going to the netherlands soon. the 61 plymouth sedan 4 door WAS going to be a parts car for my belv. until my oldest daughter showed some interest in it and decided it was too nice too part out, and now is being put together by us both as her first car. the 61 plymouth fury 2 door i got from a friend after i began to hunt for a new parts car to replace the 4 door sedan. follow me still? anyway, it too is way to complete/ nice to be a parts car. some rust, but VERY restorable. ( i got alot of parts with it for the needed repairs) i will most likely keep the 61 fury close to stock when i get around to doing it. in the meantime, i still need some parts for my belv, and my daughters sedan, and am going to follow a lead on another 61 for parts. my daughter thinks i'm a 61 plymouth hoarder!



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Posted 2010-05-16 8:54 PM (#223703 - in reply to #223611)
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Handygun - 2010-05-16 9:59 AM

I had a 61 Fury hdtp I wanted to do this to but a layoff prevented it, it's much nicer looking than "FUGLY". I like how your kept it all MoPar with the wheel not that many look more MoPar than a 61. Great job Tony, wasnt that car in MA or MM at an event shoot a few years back?


thanks for the nice comments steve! glad you noticed the wheel.... it took some work making that wheel mount on the aftermarket(generic motors) column. nothing a little time at the mill and some persuasion with a hole saw can't fix though. yes , the car was in quite a few magazines back in the day... not full blown features, but some ink anyway from mopar nats and some other events i took it to.
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dragula426
Posted 2010-05-16 9:47 PM (#223713 - in reply to #223703)
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Here's a few more shots of the pentastar theme in action.
First is a shot of the fuel cell/ nitrous bottle/ battery/ fuel pump/ and tank mount thingy that will mount in the trunk.
Second is a pic of the tank that will be used for either fuel enrichment or water injection depending on what I do for a power plant.
Third is a pic of the shifter knob and the battery disconnect pull handle.



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dragula426
Posted 2010-05-16 9:53 PM (#223714 - in reply to #223713)
Subject: Re: Cruisin's cool but who goes RACIN!?!?!?!



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This car will not be stock by any means, but I always try to wave the Mopar flag proudly with every car that I do. Glad some of you like it.



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B/G 61
Posted 2010-05-16 11:39 PM (#223733 - in reply to #178862)
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Location: Parts Unknown		Very nice !!!! I hope you post the continued progress of ALL your projects !!!

WAY COOL
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Posted 2010-05-17 10:25 AM (#223803 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2010-05-21 10:51 PM (#224590 - in reply to #215270)
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B/G 61 - 2010-03-22 5:52 PM

Awesome pic ! I thought that square Chrysler/Plymouth logo on the door didn't come out till the 70's ????




I may be wrong but I believe I have seen the pentastar symbol used as far back as 1964 or 1965 in advertising
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B/G 61
Posted 2010-05-21 10:58 PM (#224592 - in reply to #224590)
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1960DesotoAdventurer - 2010-05-21 10:51 PM

B/G 61 - 2010-03-22 5:52 PM

Awesome pic ! I thought that square Chrysler/Plymouth logo on the door didn't come out till the 70's ????




I may be wrong but I believe I have seen the pentastar symbol used as far back as 1964 or 1965 in advertising


I think the pentastar came out in '62 - I thought the square logo posted a few back was the 70's ad version . . . I'm told
no, but if it didn't start in the 70's, it sure lasted a long time - I remember that square deal into the 80's . . .





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