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sparky7
Posted 2008-12-28 4:32 PM (#157058)
Subject: Correct key blanks


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Folks--can anyone tell me the correct style key blank for a 58 Dodge? I'm actually trying to help the guy at the hardware store cut some keys for me, and his catalog is apparently unclear or doesn't go back that far. (Or maybe the guy doesn't know his keys!)

I don't need to know that this or that guy has old key blanks, but the actual part number, like "Ilco J522" or some such number from any key maker that I can cross-reference. I know they make new blanks 'cause some of you have had good results at the hardware store. You'd think I could look this up online somewhere, but no luck. Thanks.

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imopar380
Posted 2008-12-28 9:22 PM (#157085 - in reply to #157058)
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DONT GO TO a HARDWARE store. GO TO a LOCKSMITH !!! Sorry for yelling but I gotta make this point clear !!!! I'm a locksmith, and just rekeyed a bunch of locks for another FL member's car. The blank is most likely an ILCO Y146 / 1767CH although there are others with different shaped bows ( heads) with the same grooves that will work. A Locksmith will have a full line Ilco key blank catalog to compare your original key to match it up. Don't waste your time at a hardware store!!
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SCHROEDC
Posted 2008-12-29 11:46 AM (#157108 - in reply to #157085)
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i had a set of keys made for my 59 and here are the blanks he used, ILCO 1759p, ilco h1199b, and the ignition key says L199m on the front and y139 on the back
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imopar380
Posted 2008-12-29 12:32 PM (#157111 - in reply to #157058)
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I'm have my Ilco Key Catalog open to Chrysler, and compatible igniton key blanks for 1958 are as follows : ( All Ilco Numbers ) 704K, X1199J, 1702K, 1703K, 1704K, 1705K, 1706K, 1764P, 1767CH / Y146. Trunk / glove box blank equivalents would be 1701G, 1766S, S1767CH / Y138, X01199G. This is a guaranteed correct list of compatible blanks, as long as your car has not had any locks replaced with later ( late sixties ) or earlier versions. 

Sorry about yelling in my first post about NOT going to a hardware store to get keys cut,  but I stand firm on this point, unless you know the guy quite well and if he knows what he's doing, then OK,  otherwise Please go to an experienced locksmith.  



Edited by imopar380 2008-12-29 12:35 PM
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wbower3
Posted 2008-12-29 12:42 PM (#157113 - in reply to #157058)
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Ian rekeyed my F/L locks and knows what he's talking about. I tried several lockshops in the OKC metropolitan area, all to no avail. It seems that nobody wants to stock the key blanks, and when they run out, they don't reorder. One older locksmith told me the blanks are $3.00, but he would have to order several hundred to get just one. Whether that's true or not, I don't know, I'm only repeating what he said. I did learn from Ian that '55 and '56 used different key blanks. My '55 ignition lock had been "killed" by a local locksmith(?) when he tried to pick it to make a key. I bought a '56 ignition lock to replace it, but the key for the '56 lock would not have been compatible with the '55 door locks, meaning three instead of just two keys. Ian repaired my '55 lock and no I only have to contend with two keys, just as Mopar intended.............
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imopar380
Posted 2008-12-29 1:09 PM (#157115 - in reply to #157113)
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wbower3 - 2008-12-29 9:42 AM Ian rekeyed my F/L locks and knows what he's talking about. I tried several lockshops in the OKC metropolitan area, all to no avail. It seems that nobody wants to stock the key blanks, and when they run out, they don't reorder. One older locksmith told me the blanks are $3.00, but he would have to order several hundred to get just one. Whether that's true or not, I don't know, I'm only repeating what he said. I did learn from Ian that '55 and '56 used different key blanks. My '55 ignition lock had been "killed" by a local locksmith(?) when he tried to pick it to make a key. I bought a '56 ignition lock to replace it, but the key for the '56 lock would not have been compatible with the '55 door locks, meaning three instead of just two keys. Ian repaired my '55 lock and no I only have to contend with two keys, just as Mopar intended.............

Hi Walt,   glad your locks are all OK and that they arrived back to you safely.   As far as ordering key blanks,  the guy who told you he had to order several hundred told a little fib.   If a local locksmith supplier has them in stock,  the locksmith can order as little as one blank.   If the supplier doesn't stock them,  then the minimum order would be a box of 50 from factory to the supplier, then he would have to make a decision on whether make the locksmith buy the whole box or just sell him a few blanks out of it, depending on how much demand the supplier might get for those key blanks.     There are some oddball blanks my main supplier doesn't stock,  but a company called Blue Dog Keys in Florida usually has the oddballs.  I have even bought single blanks from them for cutting,  but by the time I pay for the blank and postage,  I have to charge about  $25.00 or more for the cut key, depending what the blank costs.

And speaking of automotive key blanks,  if any of you out there own a late model car,  when you go to get an ignition key cut you're going to have a shock, as the ignition keys now have a little chip device called a transponder buried in the key head, which communicates with the car's on board computer.  No chip, no start.  Once a new key is cut, the key has to  programmed to the car's computer before the car will start, - some keys are user programmable,  and others are not.   Getting a duplicate key for one of these can run anywhere from $35.00 to up over $200.00   Yikes ! .     I invested in a programmer for the shop about a year and a half ago just to do this type of key.   So once the key is cut, if its not a user program type key, then we take our programmer and the newly cut key out to the customer's car, hook up the programmer to the car's OBDP,  and program the key,  Typical Chrysler or F**D key around here goes for $90.00 cut and programmed !

 



Edited by imopar380 2008-12-29 1:19 PM
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Posted 2009-01-04 2:32 PM (#157781 - in reply to #157058)
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And speaking of automotive key blanks, if any of you out there own a late model car, when you go to get an ignition key cut you're going to have a shock, as the ignition keys now have a little chip device called a transponder buried in the key head, which communicates with the car's on board computer. No chip, no start. Once a new key is cut, the key has to programmed to the car's computer before the car will start, - some keys are user programmable, and others are not. Getting a duplicate key for one of these can run anywhere from $35.00 to up over $200.00 Yikes ! . I invested in a programmer for the shop about a year and a half ago just to do this type of key. So once the key is cut, if its not a user program type key, then we take our programmer and the newly cut key out to the customer's car, hook up the programmer to the car's OBDP, and program the key, Typical Chrysler or F**D key around here goes for $90.00 cut and programmed !

I guess that makes it a priority not to lose your original key!
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Powerflite
Posted 2017-01-26 9:18 PM (#532428 - in reply to #157781)
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I believe that the original Dodge key was the 1707K and the original '57-'59 Chrysler key is the 1703K. But I can't find a 1707K key anywhere so it must be an obsolete number. Anyone know the difference between 1703K and 1705K? They look nearly identical.



(OEM Dodge Key.jpg)



(1703K Chrysler OEM Key.jpg)



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60 dart
Posted 2017-01-27 12:01 AM (#532434 - in reply to #157058)
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when we bought our new jeep , i asked the cost for a spare key ,,,,,,,,,,, 285.00$---------------------------------------------later
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56D500boy
Posted 2017-01-27 12:03 AM (#532436 - in reply to #157085)
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imopar380 - 2008-12-28 9:22 PM DONT GO TO a HARDWARE store. GO TO a LOCKSMITH !!! Sorry for yelling but I gotta make this point clear !!!! I'm a locksmith, and just rekeyed a bunch of locks for another FL member's car. The blank is most likely an ILCO Y146 / 1767CH although there are others with different shaped bows ( heads) with the same grooves that will work. A Locksmith will have a full line Ilco key blank catalog to compare your original key to match it up. Don't waste your time at a hardware store!!


Not exactly on topic but recently I had one of my door locks re-keyed (at Accurate Locksmiths in New Westminster, Ian) to the ignition (for some reason they were different than the ignition- and the car came with no keys). I had another key and the blank was a Dominion Lock 706K which crosses to an ILCO 1706K. The first key they made back in September was an ILCO Y153-P.

http://bgdistribution.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/ILCO_CROSS_REFE...

What I really want are these:



OOOoops. I just bought them.

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