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catman
Posted 2008-09-08 10:59 AM (#144096 - in reply to #135574)
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Posted 2008-09-08 1:04 PM (#144138 - in reply to #135574)
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big m
Posted 2008-09-15 1:58 PM (#144831 - in reply to #135574)
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Location: Williams California		I took the dash apart in order to paint it, and had a small pile of goodies that needed to be polished. I've found that GOJO hand cleaner with pumice works better than anything else I have tried at removing years of tarnish and crud from chrome plating, and added bonus is that it's cheap too. ---John



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Posted 2008-09-15 2:02 PM (#144832 - in reply to #135574)
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Location: Williams California		I painted the small parts separately, and then proceeded to paint the dash. It was a bit of work, being two-toned. I have some electrical repairs to make while the dash is apart, and then back to the color sanding on the exterior. ---John



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catman
Posted 2008-09-15 4:58 PM (#144842 - in reply to #144832)
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Posted 2008-09-15 8:30 PM (#144874 - in reply to #135574)
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Posted 2008-09-15 11:16 PM (#144886 - in reply to #135574)
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Posted 2008-09-19 9:30 PM (#145330 - in reply to #135574)
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big m
Posted 2008-09-22 2:30 PM (#145594 - in reply to #135574)
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I got a bit more done and out of the way this weekend.

The dash is all reassembled, and I took care of some electrical problems that were known at this time. Completed the color sanding and buffing as well, and began to put some of 'er jewelry back on. ---John



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Posted 2008-09-22 5:01 PM (#145625 - in reply to #135574)
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Looking real good, its like a mirror!

Nothing is more annoying than installing things behind the dashboard, lying on the floor hands up and head in awkward angle. Hope your neck is still in fine condition.



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big m
Posted 2008-09-22 5:11 PM (#145629 - in reply to #135574)
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Posted 2008-09-22 7:56 PM (#145658 - in reply to #145629)
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big m
Posted 2008-10-02 1:11 PM (#146673 - in reply to #135574)
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Location: Williams California		Making some good headway on the car now.

Mounted and balanced a set of Goodyear super cushions, painted up the wheelcovers I had polished, and painted some more items such as the spare tire compartment cover, and the mounting panels for the rear seats.

I pulled a complete set of Solex glass from the parts cars, installed all the door and gate weatherstripping, as well as the window sweepers. All glass is now installed, except for the tailgate, as I have found there is no power getting to the power regulator.

I repaired the cracks in the steering wheel, and sanded and repainted it as well. Now it's molding and trim time, real time consuming, as there was no hardware or fasteners, so I have to remove them from other cars. Here are a couple pics, but I'll have more soon. ---John



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Posted 2008-10-02 2:26 PM (#146688 - in reply to #135574)
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Posted 2008-10-02 3:57 PM (#146715 - in reply to #146688)
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Posted 2008-10-06 6:32 PM (#147115 - in reply to #135574)
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Location: Williams California		Coming along nicely now- All the glass and window regulators are installed and adjusted, bumpers, grill, and most of the moldings have been installed, and a good portion of the interior has been fitted. ---John



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d500neil
Posted 2008-10-06 6:43 PM (#147120 - in reply to #135574)
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Location: bishop, ca		Think how fast you could work if there were TWO of you, doing all that work!

have you come up with a selling price for it, when you are done enjoying it?

It's nice that you will actually drive the car, so you can dial-in all of its various functions.

'Gotta make you wonder how well any of those B-J cars actually operate, after they are merely PHYSICALLY restored,
but not ever driven, before they go across the auction block?






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big m
Posted 2008-10-06 6:44 PM (#147121 - in reply to #135574)
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Location: Williams California		I've found nearly all the pieces needed for the car except for the potmetal upsweeps at the rear. Here is a pic of a typical upsweep on a '57 Sierra, the same as the ones used on the '58 sierra. The Custom Sierra I am working on uses different ones, they actually dip downward and go forward quite a bit. note the downward curve in the molding hole line. If anyone here has a pair of these, I could certainly use them. ---John



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big m
Posted 2008-10-06 6:49 PM (#147124 - in reply to #147120)
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Think how fast you could work if there were TWO of you, doing all that work!

have you come up with a selling price for it, when you are done enjoying it?

It's nice that you will actually drive the car, so you can dial-in all of its various functions.

'Gotta make you wonder how well any of those B-J cars actually operate, after they are merely PHYSICALLY restored,
but not ever driven, before they go across the auction block?


Neil, we have no plans of selling the car at this time.

As far as dialing it's various functions in, hopefully we will not be doing that on the side of the road somewhere in Tennessee! LOL! ---John






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Posted 2008-10-06 8:31 PM (#147147 - in reply to #147124)
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Good luck, amigo!

They're expensive, but, the Big-Boy yards should have that trim you need--assuming
that they can mail it to you, soon enough!

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big m
Posted 2008-10-07 4:06 PM (#147239 - in reply to #135574)
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Location: Williams California		No luck so far. I checked with the Arizona yards, Freman's, CTC, Texas Acres, and several others, as well as several of the Mopar parts dealers. Someone's got to have these! Never say never. ---John
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Posted 2008-10-08 2:38 AM (#147317 - in reply to #147121)
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Those holes sure look like they would line up the same to me.... DO you have a picture from a brochure???

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big m
Posted 2008-10-08 1:27 PM (#147352 - in reply to #135574)
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Location: Williams California		George, I've placed a long, straight stainless strip from the front of the quarter to the rear, and the last two trim holes dip below the trim itself. I have a brochure showing the molding, although I do not have a scanner and a pic may be poor. ---John
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Posted 2008-10-08 1:33 PM (#147353 - in reply to #135574)
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Posted 2008-10-08 3:47 PM (#147365 - in reply to #147121)
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Location: The Mile High City		Hi, John:

There are actually four pieces that you are looking for: the down dip and forward is stainless steel. The pot-metal upsweep is a straight piece that ends where the stainless begins. I can get the pot metal pieces for you, but I don't have any extras for the stainless. I think you might be able to get the stainless from any Royal or Custom Royal from 1958.

To me though, it seems like it might look funny to have the full length stainless piece below the dip down piece. You will get a "pinched down" look at the back where all the stainless gets too close. I think that dip down works a lot better with the short quarter trim lower or the spring special trim. I don't know if I have ever seen it with the full length trim? Neil?

Mike

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Posted 2008-10-08 5:10 PM (#147374 - in reply to #135574)
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Location: Williams California		Mike, could you send a pic of the potmetal pieces that you have? If it is different than the ones on the other model wagons I would like to buy them from you.

As to the lower trim strip, there were factory drilled holes that only this molding could have used. I found a pic awhile back somewhere in the archives that showed the same trim scheme. I still wish that the previous owner hadn't tossed the majority of the moldings! ---John
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Posted 2008-10-08 5:33 PM (#147379 - in reply to #135574)
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Location: Williams California		Yesterday evening we took the car on it's first trip of more than a mile or two, the ten mile drive to Colusa for our bowling league night.

Immediately after crossing the railroad tracks here in town, the right rear wheelcover decided to go it's own way, and was shed from the wheel. Luckily M'lisa rescued it before it was damaged. The left front brakes wanted to grab, so I'll have to look into that issue, and the speedo head occasionally squeeked, so it'll probably need a few drops of lube. Also, there was a slight hesitation in acceleration, but I've yet to set the timing, and that could well be the cause. Other than those items, the car ran and steered just fine!

Here's a few pics of the car in the sun when I was out at the yard earlier today. ---John



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Posted 2008-10-08 5:39 PM (#147381 - in reply to #135574)
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Posted 2008-10-08 5:45 PM (#147384 - in reply to #147381)
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Location: Lovely place		Looks great - at least you are not running out of spare parts!! Brakes, and the noise from the speedometer sound very typical probs with these cars. Once you get them fixed, and your engine tuned - you won't believe how great car you have! You are still missing some bumper chrome, do you already have them - or are you looking for better ones? For me, I'd like to find spare ones, the originals are showing some signs of getting rusty...

Great colors, really different
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Posted 2008-10-08 5:53 PM (#147386 - in reply to #135574)
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Posted 2008-10-08 7:25 PM (#147397 - in reply to #147379)
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Posted 2008-10-08 8:26 PM (#147402 - in reply to #135574)
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Location: Montreal, Canada		John,
This budget resto is just OUTSTANDING
What a great job you did. I am sure you will fix the small problems you enconter with her.
Can you post interior pictures? How is the condition of the vinyl covering the rear wheels?
Man I wish I could be at Donnie's place......
Please promise you guys will take tons of pictures.
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Posted 2008-10-08 11:13 PM (#147428 - in reply to #147374)
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Posted 2008-10-09 12:19 AM (#147431 - in reply to #147120)
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d500neil - 2008-10-06 3:43 PM

Think how fast you could work if there were TWO of you, doing all that work!

have you come up with a selling price for it, when you are done enjoying it?

It's nice that you will actually drive the car, so you can dial-in all of its various functions.

'Gotta make you wonder how well any of those B-J cars actually operate, after they are merely PHYSICALLY restored,
but not ever driven, before they go across the auction block?







Neil, we'll come up with a selling price the same way that you will on your D500. As far as driving it, of course we are going to drive it. We drove the Fury to Tulsa, we'll drive this one to Donnie's and we'll drive my 69 Hurst Olds to Indianapolis in 2 years.

John and I both believe in restoring and enjoying. Neither one of us are "into" FIX AND SELL. What is the use of having a beautiful work of art that happens to be mobile and have it decorate the garage?


I know on my assignments that are within 30 miles of my office I will be driving either the Wagon or my Desoto and save my daily driver for long range or winter driving. M'Lisa
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Posted 2008-10-09 11:32 AM (#147483 - in reply to #135574)
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Posted 2008-10-09 2:38 PM (#147503 - in reply to #147428)
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Lancer Mike - 2008-10-08 8:13 PM

They are the ones you are looking for. I will send you a picture.

Mike


Excellent, Mike, I'll be watching for them! ---John
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Posted 2008-10-09 6:34 PM (#147530 - in reply to #147503)
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Location: The Mile High City		Ok, lets see if this works: I made a .pdf picture of the parts. The part numbers are 1835593 LH and 1835593 RH. Both are in pretty good shape with no pits. Both have good studs - threaded and plain. RH has a little crack down by the threaded stud. RH (worst of the two) is the one with the shiny side up. It has some crazing of the chrome, which the other does not. The pdf shows some little blemishes on RH down by the crack that really shine, but they aren't scratches or pits! They will look good on the wagon with little to no work necessary. Too bad I don't have an extra set of the stainless parts to go with 'em! I'll send them out to you.



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Posted 2008-10-09 7:09 PM (#147544 - in reply to #135574)
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Location: bishop, ca		Glad to hear that you intend to keep the car, M'lissa.

Hubcaps that won't stay on can easily be fixed by bending outwards their circumferential mounting tabs, for a better
grip to the wheel.

It's always tough to mount wheelcovers onto freshly painted wheels, what with all the scratching and banging to get them
mounted securely.

Knowing what-all I've got invested into dialing-in my car, over the past 27+ years, I don't think that I ever could sell
it, and I DARN (I did type "darn", not d-a-m-n) sure would be leery of paying big bucks on a "pretty car" if I didn't
already know it, or its ownership history.

I am impressed that you and John are not going to try to recoup your initial investment costs in restoring that car.






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Posted 2008-10-09 7:22 PM (#147545 - in reply to #135574)
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Location: bishop, ca		The other interesting (and sad) thing about pretty-cars, which reach a certain market value (let's say, around $100K,
at auction value) is that once they reach a big-buck plateau, like, in Re: my friend's former 1958 NY'er convertible, which DID
drive wonderfully, back when it was worth around $25k, a few years ago (now, its dealer-broker is asking around $150k for
it)...is that the car will probably never again be driven and enjoyed by its rich owner(s)...

E.G.: most Duesenbergs and a lot of 'Classic' cars have survived, but when do you ever see them being driven on the street?

Nowadays, you'll see various iterations of 'hot-rods', but not a lot of original-looking 50's cars on the highways.







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Posted 2008-10-09 7:23 PM (#147546 - in reply to #135574)
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Location: Williams California		Neil, the wheelcover did not seem to have much spring tension against the wheel, and after bending the tabs out slightly, it seems to be staying on now. ---John
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Posted 2008-10-09 7:29 PM (#147547 - in reply to #135574)
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Location: bishop, ca		HEH; I've had my fill of wheelcovers 'spinning'-away (get it?) merrily, on the roads--usually as a result of turning-cornering
maneuvers (remember "Bullett"?-not quite like that, but close!)

Anyway, errant wheelcovers can travel an amazing distance spinning along, upright, on their edges, due to centrifugal energy.

If you're lucky, you might hear, or see, them exit your car; not always!

The OTHER amazing thing is how little damage the wheelcovers seem to incur during their escape
maneuvers.






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Posted 2008-10-12 7:28 PM (#147868 - in reply to #135574)
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Posted 2008-10-12 7:36 PM (#147869 - in reply to #135574)
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Posted 2008-10-12 7:49 PM (#147873 - in reply to #135574)
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Posted 2008-10-12 7:55 PM (#147874 - in reply to #135574)
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Posted 2008-10-12 10:25 PM (#147895 - in reply to #135574)
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Location: near St Augustine, FL		John, That, Sir, is one fine vehicle. The work you did in such a short time is AMAZING! I'm awed and jealous all at the same time. Congratulations!
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Posted 2008-10-13 12:42 AM (#147913 - in reply to #135574)
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deloverly
Posted 2008-10-13 12:43 AM (#147914 - in reply to #135574)
Subject: RE: '58 Dodge Sierra [budget resto.]



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvKSpA8pyfA

 

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deloverly
Posted 2008-10-13 12:46 AM (#147915 - in reply to #135574)
Subject: Re: '58 Dodge Sierra [budget resto.]



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Location: Big M Automotive's Yard		Here are the other ones.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zwrjy2SleU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibWPoU_t__o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lc7hSIi9s8

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MoparBrew
Posted 2008-10-13 1:58 PM (#147967 - in reply to #135574)
Subject: Re: '58 Dodge Sierra [budget resto.]



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Location: Brooklyn NY		Great work John!! Fastest and Best "budget" resto ever! Enjoy the drive to Donnie's, I hope you have time to send out my seattracks first ;}......Ralph from Brooklyn
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