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d500neil

Posted 2008-07-22 5:06 PM (#138599 - in reply to #138574)
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John, did you do any O/H work to the power brake booster?

Mine probably needs a rebuild kit, but all I'm finding is a bunch of shops (on the east coast) which insist on doing the O/H
themselves.

My system is the easier-to-work-upon self contained cannister.

Can you direct me to a rebuild kit, or, can you do a rebuild for me?

I'd like to have the work be done relatively close to 'home', if at all possible!!!

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Posted 2008-07-22 8:48 PM (#138630 - in reply to #138599)
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d500neil - 2008-07-22 2:06 PM

John, did you do any O/H work to the power brake booster?

Mine probably needs a rebuild kit, but all I'm finding is a bunch of shops (on the east coast) which insist on doing the O/H
themselves.

My system is the easier-to-work-upon self contained cannister.

Can you direct me to a rebuild kit, or, can you do a rebuild for me?

I'd like to have the work be done relatively close to 'home', if at all possible!!!

Neil, I'm trying to do this car on a budget, so I found one on a '59 Sport Fury in the yard that didn't have many stress cracks in the rubber bellows. It appears to function just fine.

If you read in my post in the vendors section, I just had the bellows type booster overhauled by Karp's brake service in Upland, California. I had a split occur in the bellows and have since sent it back. The gent I spoke with assured me that a warranty was definitely deserved. I'll let you know what happens here. I am unaware of anyone selling the rebuild kits to the general public. ---John

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Posted 2008-07-22 9:03 PM (#138632 - in reply to #138630)
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Yeah, I just responded to your vendor's discussion thread.

Funny thing; I spoke with Karp's earlier today, and thought that I was contacting an east coast company.

Later today, I called (what I THOUGHT was their) 'west' office of Karp's, and had a much better conversation, info-wize (with a different person, there)---didn't realize that there was only 'one' Karp's, and that I HAD spoken with them earlier, that same day!

ANYWAY, from the second conversation, it turns-out that ONLY if the brake "whooshing-hissing" sound continues, after the brake pedal is continuously fully depressed (as in: waiting at a stop-light), is the diaphram, and/or the system, in dire need of O/H; if the whooshing-hissing goes-away, after the brake pedal is depressed, that condition is considered to be fairly 'normal' and innocuous, and may get worse with age/usage, but that there is little danger of imminent catastrophic failure of the power brake system.

I was asked if it felt like the brake pedal was getting noticibly harder/firmer to depress, & I said 'no'.

SO, I gotta go home & fire-up the car, and see if the hissing goes away after the pedal is fully depressed (or not!).

Right now, I'm saying that I AM impressed with Karp's; at least after speaking with them, a second time!

Edited by d500neil 2008-07-22 9:05 PM

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Posted 2008-07-24 1:32 PM (#138886 - in reply to #135574)
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Nice Wagon John! She looks nice and solid! I know what it's like to do the low budget resto, but it looks like
that car is a really nice clean car to work with.

Best of Luck!!

Cheers!

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Posted 2008-07-25 1:10 PM (#139026 - in reply to #138886)
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She's going to be a beaut John! What is that final color called?

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Posted 2008-07-25 1:23 PM (#139027 - in reply to #135574)
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The colors will be Wedgewood [pastel blue] and Sapphire [metallic blue as on the firewall]. These are '58 Dodge colors, but the original colors were Wedgewood and white. Upon the recommendations of both M'lisa and Donnie, I will be using a two-stage paint system when the time comes. ---John

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Posted 2008-07-28 5:59 PM (#139319 - in reply to #135574)
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This wagon was undercoated rather thoroughly, including the underside of the hood. While this helps to deaden the noise of the engine, and also makes the hood sound less tinny when closing it, I decided it had to go. I used an oxy/acetylene torch to heat the undercoat, and a narrow putty knife to scrape it off. Caution was used not to overheat the metal and cause warpage.

The undercoat was, in some places, over 3/8" thick!

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Posted 2008-07-28 6:03 PM (#139320 - in reply to #135574)
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There was roughly 15 pounds of the undercoat that I scraped off! After using lacquer thinner and old gas to clean the residue from the bottom of the hood, I was able to start prepping it for paint.

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Posted 2008-07-28 6:07 PM (#139321 - in reply to #135574)
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I sanded the rusty areas, and used Scotch Brite pads on the painted areas. This process took several hours. Here's the finished product. ---John

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Posted 2008-07-28 6:16 PM (#139324 - in reply to #135574)
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Next was to install the hood. I found some paint that matched the original color of the hinges, as well as the springs, and in the meantime, I sent a local teenager out to the yard to scavenge some hardware to install them. He needed to make 20 bucks, and was happy to help here.

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Posted 2008-07-28 6:18 PM (#139328 - in reply to #135574)
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It took awhile to align the hood, and afterwards came the tailgate. Next step- Block sanding, and lots of it! Whooo Hoooo!!!! ---John

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Posted 2008-07-28 7:09 PM (#139373 - in reply to #135574)
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Ooooooooooh!!!!!

John, I hope you didn't catch hell from M'lisa for using her DeSoto as a workbench.....

Love that shade of blue.

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Posted 2008-07-28 7:13 PM (#139374 - in reply to #139373)
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1955Coronado - 2008-07-29 12:09 AM

Ooooooooooh!!!!!

John, I hope you didn't catch hell from M'lisa for using her DeSoto as a workbench.....

Love that shade of blue.

Hey MARK,
Don,t worry about M,lisa,s Desoto... You should see what the 1955Coronado is being Used As by John.. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL............

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Posted 2008-07-28 8:07 PM (#139395 - in reply to #135574)
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OOOHH, John ! All you, or anyone else, LUCKY enough to have an OEM undercoated 57-59 Dodge, WITH the OEM-undercoated
hood (which DOES quiet-down the hood-clanging) ...has to do, to "restore" the hood-area, is apply fresh gloss-black paint
directly-over the (cleaned-off) undercoating!

Voila! Instant/correct restoration of the hood's OEM appearance (and, no hood-clanging!)

It's the guys with the NON-undercoated hoods, who have the necessary-hassle of cleaning/prepping and painting the undersides
and the top-sides of the hoods.

BTW, since the hoods were painted, and undercoated, after they were attached to the hood hinges, there was no (or not-
much-) paint applied to the very-end of the hood (at the cowl) and the undercoating was clearly applied in a front-to-rear
hood-up direction.

d500neil

Posted 2008-07-28 8:35 PM (#139400 - in reply to #139395)
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I'm not going to hi-jack your thread, but I've got four neat photos, from Greg Leggatt, showing a CAN-non-undercoated
hood, a US undercoated hood, an example of "carelessly applied" undercoating, and an detail-shot of how Greg
recreated the OEM undercoating-appearance, on one of his beautiful restorations.

I'll try sending them to Clive, & he can go post them on the "Body" discussion-board.

Interesting research, and, it looks like you CAN apply new undercoating directly over your hood's new paint!

I was confusing my memory of a CAN-car's primered-only underside, with a US-car, that DID get OEM paint initially
applied to the underside of the hood, BEFORE the undercoating was applied!

So there, Neil!

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Posted 2008-07-29 1:21 PM (#139472 - in reply to #135574)
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Neil, if you look at the photo of the hood underside once the undercoating was removed, you can see the overspray of the body color [which was white] over the bluish gray paint which was used in the trunk, underhood, and floorboard areas. ---John

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Posted 2008-07-29 3:51 PM (#139483 - in reply to #139472)
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YUP; I don't know what happened to Clive; he was on-line yesterday PM (here) but he went off-line right after (hmmm)
I sent him the 4 pics that I've got from Greg Leggatt, which show how US & CAN hoods were painted/finished. I asked him
to post those pics as a new thread on the "Body" Board, but, so far, they're not posted yet.

They'll show that a non-undercoated CAN hood only got the blue-gray "alkyd" primer (which promptly got worn-off from misc
debris thrown-up thru the engine compartment), and that the US cars got body paint applied over the primer, and that the
hoods were (body-color-) painted and undercoated after the hoods' fitment adjustments were made (duh) on the assembly line.

The last pic shows how Greg applied his (much-wimpier!) undercoating to the hood-underside, and how he dupicated OEM under-
coat overspray onto the hood hinge areas.

Edited by d500neil 2008-07-29 3:56 PM

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Posted 2008-07-29 4:09 PM (#139486 - in reply to #139483)
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Neil.. you can post up your own pictures too. lol

John - that is looking awesome! Wagons are about 3x the body and paint work of a normal hardtop...

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Posted 2008-07-29 4:11 PM (#139488 - in reply to #135574)
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John, that engine bay looks great! I really look forward to updates on this thread, and am happy every time I see them. We should all document any significant work we do on our cars here, it would be especially informative and entertaining.

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Posted 2008-07-29 4:18 PM (#139490 - in reply to #135574)
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Nyuk,nyuk, nyuk, James, you just got a PM..!

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Posted 2008-07-29 5:20 PM (#139503 - in reply to #139483)
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d500neil - 2008-07-29 8:51 PM

YUP; I don't know what happened to Clive; he was on-line yesterday PM (here) but he went off-line right after (hmmm)
I sent him the 4 pics that I've got from Greg Leggatt,

Hey Spunky...
Remember the Time Difference, I was on here Until 1.00am almost... LOL

Here is the NEW Thread..
http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=21715

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Posted 2008-07-30 12:02 AM (#139573 - in reply to #139488)
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John, that engine bay looks great! I really look forward to updates on this thread, and am happy every time I see them. We should all document any significant work we do on our cars here, it would be especially informative and entertaining.

I wholeheartedly agree. I understand that not everyone has the ability or place to work on their FL's , But i really enjoy watching peoples progress when they do it themselves. If you can send pics and how you overcame a problem, that is a big service to the rest of us.............................MO

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Posted 2008-08-02 3:53 PM (#140030 - in reply to #135574)
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John, I'm jealous. I used a scraper to peel the undercoat off my hood, and then washed it down with the cheap lacquer thinner from Ace Hardware. But mine does not look nearly as nice as yours. I left mine in the polyurrethane hardened primer. Now you guys are making me think I need to retreat and paint the underside of the hood. Any idea how long the catalysed primer will last w/out paint over it? You are going to post photos as you go aren't you?

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Posted 2008-08-03 1:53 AM (#140094 - in reply to #135574)
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You can usually go quite a long time in a dry area, however if you have a lot of moisture or humidity you shouldn't leave it exposed or it will hold the moisture in and start rusting. If you want are unable to paint a vehicle after primering, then I would suggest that you put a sealer on it. It will hold out for a longer time, but will need to be sanded back down to primer and resealed before paint. In the 90's I painted a few of my friend's cars that couldn't afford the paint this way. They were trying to look retro like the "new" Rat Rodders are doing. I sprayed green, grey, purple, red and black. One vehicle I sprayed sealer flames on it.

In Reno (low humidity) we could drive around for a couple of years that way and not have any trouble. Of course in Reno I drove my Hurst Olds around for two weeks straight when it was stripped down to bare metal (my 59 Olds was having a mechanical issue resolved).

John is hoping to start spraying paint when we get back from Hot August Nights. He has been a sanding devil all week. And yes, I make him take a shower before he even thinks of sitting down on the couch or eating dinner. If he doesn't he looks like Can Man.

- M'Lisa

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Posted 2008-08-03 1:58 AM (#140095 - in reply to #139373)
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1955Coronado - 2008-07-28 4:09 PM

Ooooooooooh!!!!!

John, I hope you didn't catch hell from M'lisa for using her DeSoto as a workbench.....

Love that shade of blue.

I have only said one thing to him on that matter, but have given him many looks

.

I told him how happy I was to get the Desoto so I could cruise in it this summer and how much fun I've had in it, then I look at him and say "Oh wait, that was just a dream!" Maybe next year I will be able to drive it. Well, a girl can dream, can't she? - M'Lisa

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Posted 2008-08-03 2:00 AM (#140096 - in reply to #135574)
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I like to use epoxy primer if the color is not to be applied for quite a while. Moisture will not go through it and rust the metal beneath. When you are ready for color, just clean it and sand for a good bond.................................MO

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Posted 2008-08-14 1:13 AM (#141318 - in reply to #135574)
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I thought I would give everyone an update. John has been extremely busy the last couple of weeks. John sprayed on a 2nd coat of primer before we left for Hot August Nights.

On 8/7 I went to Barrett Paint and picked out the lt blue color for the roof and tailgate. I was there for almost 2 hours. I had a Ditzler paint chip book page for a 1958 Dodge. We tried to come up with a formula for it, but we are spraying Dupont and not PPG. Dodee (the paint guru) tried everything and finally told me to start looking thru the other books. I found a color that was close in a 1990 chip and then she started tweaking with the color until we had one that looked good.

Of course it had to be the non-poly (or non metallic). I swear every car made in the 90's to now has some metallic flake in it.

After buying the base coat and clear coat paints, I realized that I had forgotten to pick up more primer and a good sealer, so it was back to the store.

We got home sunday after 5:00pm and John started sanding on the car. He has spent every night this week sanding. As soon as we get close to sealing it and putting on the color, I will have him upload some pictures. - M'

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Posted 2008-08-19 11:03 PM (#141996 - in reply to #135574)
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John has been working every night after work sanding on the car. He was hoping to have it ready to paint this last weekend, but he decided to spend a little time with his Dad. His parents came up for the weekend and left yesterday morning. - M'Lisa

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Posted 2008-08-19 11:44 PM (#142008 - in reply to #135574)
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About 3:30 yesterday afternoon, I smelled smoke in the house. I looked out our bedroom window and could see heavy smoke. I went out back towards the barn and could see black smoke rising from the field next to ours. I walked out to where I saw our friends watching the fire. It was about 2 acres away. I toldeveryone to get down and go grab a hose to start wetting everything down. Tiny (a friend of John's) said that we couldn't get the fire out with a garden hose that we needed to let the fire department handle it. I told him that I knew we couldn't stop it, but we could slow it from getting our yard if we wet down the fire break. John showed up as we were out in the field next to ours. He was at the office and none of us could reach him, however our good friend Sam who works across I-5 from us called him and told him to get home. After 5 minutes more fire fighters showed up and a tanker parked in the front of the house along with two other companies. They got the fire knocked down in about an hour, but not completely out. There were 100 oil coated telephone poles in the main fire area that belongs to the pole barn builder. His stuff along with a Dodge pickup and a camper trailer were totaled. We didn't have any damage except all of us had a little bit of smoke inhalation.

The fire burned in those logs all night and most of today. All of our guys did a great job helping to save the yard. They had fire fighters from Colusa, Arbuckle, MAxwell, Princeton, Sutter, Plumas Lakes and 5 engines from Yolo County (about 40 miles away) helping our Williams crew. No one was injured, but some fire fighters were treated by medics for smoke inhalation.

Needless to say, John didn't work long on his car last night. We were all worried about it flaring up.

Here are some pictures I took of it.

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Posted 2008-08-20 1:34 AM (#142023 - in reply to #135574)
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Any idea on how it started - stupidity or accident??

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Posted 2008-08-20 3:08 AM (#142029 - in reply to #135574)
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Could be a lightning strike - we've had 2 wild fires in the past couple months here start because of lightning strikes from the seasonal monsoon storms.

Main thing is that you & John are ok, M'Lisa.

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Posted 2008-08-20 5:51 AM (#142032 - in reply to #142029)
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Scary business, glad everything turned out OK in the yard.

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Posted 2008-08-20 8:51 AM (#142041 - in reply to #135574)
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Really scary with a fire that close! Here in sweden it has been raining for almost two weeks so no risk for fires.

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Posted 2008-08-20 12:47 PM (#142055 - in reply to #135574)
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Apparently, a traveller on the freeway pitched a lit cigarette butt out their window, where it ignited the dry grass along the road. With 20 MPH winds coming from the south, it didn't take long for it to really take off. The person that owns the neighboring property normally keeps horses there in the summer, but for some reason they didn't this year, allowing the brambles and weeds to take over. ---John

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Posted 2008-08-20 12:57 PM (#142057 - in reply to #135574)
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It's d@mn dummies like that that pile the bad rep on us smokers. Living in a desert clime for 3/4 of my life, I know well enough that an ashtray ain't there for a d@mn pocket change holder.

Back in 2004 near my neck of the woods, there was a bright boy that set off a 700+ acre wildfire while doing the same thing - they caught up with him, tossed his dumb a$$ in the clink and pinched him for what it cost to wrestle that fire - over $200K, if I recall.

How's doing, John? M'Lisa posted above that you & her had a bit of smoke inhalation.....

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Posted 2008-08-20 1:28 PM (#142061 - in reply to #135574)
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Thanks for your concern, Mark.

I had some breathing problems that night and a bit more the next day, but am feeling better now. ---John

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Posted 2008-08-20 2:10 PM (#142063 - in reply to #135574)
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Good deal, John.

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Posted 2008-08-29 12:55 PM (#143114 - in reply to #135574)
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Last week I drove the wagon over to a friend's shop where he is going to build an exhaust system for it, luckily there were no cops around to witness this. No plates, no exhaust, no glass, and no seats [except for the milk crate I was seated on]. It was only about a mile's drive to Sam's shop. Unfortunately, Sam's knee went out on him and the exhaust work would be delayed.

There were plenty of other things I could do in the meantime, so I spent about eight hours bead blasting rust, scale, and old paint from the interior garnish moldings. A few of these pieces developed pinholes where the metal was severely pitted, so I had to go out to the yard and find replacements.

Yesterday evening I was able to paint these pieces, and there were sure a lot of them. The temperature in the barn read 105 degrees, so the paint cured almost instantly. ---John

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Posted 2008-08-30 1:29 AM (#143205 - in reply to #143114)
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big m - 2008-08-29 11:55 AM

Yesterday evening I was able to paint these pieces, and there were sure a lot of them. The temperature in the barn read 105 degrees, so the paint cured almost instantly. ---John

I thought I read or heard somewhere that it was bad for paint
to dry "to" fast. Is this wrong or would there be a reason for
paint to "not" dry to fast??

Lancer Mike

Posted 2008-08-30 9:35 AM (#143220 - in reply to #143205)
Subject: Re: '58 Dodge Sierra [budget resto.]

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Wow! This is really neat to see. I don't post much, but I watch this thread and enjoy it. It is terrific to see one of the greatest Forward Look wagons ('58 Dodge!) get restored before our eyes. Good luck, John and M'Lisa! Dang those litterbugs! It drives me nuts when I see somebody throw anything non-biodegradable down! I can't figure out what goes through their heads. People who throw cigarette butts out are especially hard to understand - not only is it litter, it is dangerous to life and property.

d500neil

Posted 2008-08-30 4:02 PM (#143253 - in reply to #135574)
Subject: Re: '58 Dodge Sierra [budget resto.]

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My dad (I don't smoke) I clearly remember, had a distinctive manner in chucking-out his butts, through our car's vent
windows-starting with his 57 Dodge.

He would take his left index finger and hold it against the filter, and flick it quickly out the window, in one movement.

We lived in Toledo, so, there wasn't any real issue with causing any brush fires, but, hey, why fill up your OWN car's
ash-receiver, when there's that big old waste basket lying just outside your window, and, everybody else smokes,
and chucks their butts....

I also remember being fascinated by how cigarette smoke, IN an ashtray..., would circle slowly and rhythmically up into
an adjacent table lamp, which bulbs apparently created a heat vortex, attracting the cooling smoke.

Ever notice how cigarette ads, in magazines, typically, hardly ever show any significant smoke coming from a lighted cig?

We now return you to our hopefully NON-smoking cars!......

big m

Posted 2008-09-03 5:22 PM (#143609 - in reply to #135574)
Subject: Re: '58 Dodge Sierra [budget resto.]

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M'lisa had some Argent paint mixed, so I bead blasted and painted the wheels, as well as the back side of the outside garnish pieces to protect against rust.

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Posted 2008-09-03 5:27 PM (#143610 - in reply to #135574)
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I then sorted through the stainless moldings, the dinged ones went into one pile, and the good ones went into the other. Using a piece of railroad track as an anvil, I used a chisel-type body hammer that I had rounded the edges from, and proceeded to ding the dents out. This process is called 'pick and file'. A few of the pieces needed to have the rolled edges flared out in order to get at the entire damaged areas. These can be carefully tapped back afterwards.

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Posted 2008-09-03 5:41 PM (#143613 - in reply to #135574)
Subject: Re: '58 Dodge Sierra [budget resto.]

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Dinging the metal will slightly stretch it, leaving high spots in the surface. This is why a hard steel surface in used to ding against, to reduce this. A flat file is then used to remove the high spots, leaving a flat surface. The next step for these repaired pieces will be to sand out the scratches left by the file, and ready them for polishing. ---John

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Posted 2008-09-03 5:49 PM (#143614 - in reply to #143613)
Subject: Re: '58 Dodge Sierra [budget resto.]

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Yeah, FWIW, I Paid $100.00 to King of Trim to have them straighten out some badly bent fender and door moldings
and to mirror polish them.

So, you can figure that you're saving about $50.00 (or, that you can rightfully CHARGE that much) to straighten and
polish each-similar trim piece.

Edited by d500neil 2008-09-03 6:20 PM

big m

Posted 2008-09-03 6:09 PM (#143615 - in reply to #135574)
Subject: Re: '58 Dodge Sierra [budget resto.]

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We got the car back from Sam's shop, it sounds so much better with a quiet exhaust! He did a nice job as always.

I reinstalled the exterior garnish trim, using seam sealer on the edges to keep moisture out. I'm now down to block sanding with 400 grit paper, I should be able to finish this tonight and spray the sealer. I have to keep the car covered when it gets dark, we have a colony of bats in one of the barn walls, and the guano ends up everywhere! ---John

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Posted 2008-09-03 7:52 PM (#143631 - in reply to #135574)
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Big M,
Can't wait to see the paint.

Can't wait, can't wait.
Did you know that I can't wait !!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted 2008-09-06 12:59 AM (#143898 - in reply to #143631)
Subject: RE: '58 Dodge Sierra [budget resto.]

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catman - 2008-09-03 6:52 PM Big M, Can't wait to see the paint.

Can't wait, can't wait. Did you know that I can't wait !!!!!!!!!!! :cool:

Make that 2! :laugh: It's like Christmas morning isn't it whenever a car is repainted....

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Posted 2008-09-08 1:04 AM (#144080 - in reply to #135574)
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On Thursday, I went over to John's office to help him maxk off the car so he could start the paint process on the Dodge. He was able to Jam the car. On Friday he finished painting both colors, but it started getting too hot. On Saturday morning he cleared the car in the morning when it was cool out and then let it "bake" in his shop (a metal quanset hut in 105 degree heat). Our friend little John picked the car up Saturday evening and brought it home. Here are some pictures.