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Brushwolf
Posted 2012-08-25 11:49 PM (#336283)
Subject: Aftermarket balancer, what pulleys will work adding PS ?


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Originally my 57 Dodge CR D500 hemi had no PS and no PB and was going to leave that way. But ran across PB setup and PS column I couldn't pass up so also scrounged up a 57 PS pump. However, as many are aware, the stock 1-belt bell-shaped pulley welded to flange instead of typical balancer has no provision to add a second pulley to run PS pump.

So, I got the modified HH aftermarket balancer. I now will need a lower 2-belt pulley that I can bolt to that balancer and line up with stock water pump and generator. HH has aluminum set, but they are made for using Chev water pump.

Anyone else got this combo of aftermarket balancer using 2 belt pulley on it to line up with stock generator, water pump and PS? Or is my best option to go find a small block later Mopar multiple sheave crank pulley somewhere and fiddle with PS pump, idler/tensioner for PS, water pump pulleys and generator to try to align with mystery bottom pulley.
Thanks again for your input.
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DeSotohead
Posted 2012-08-26 10:34 AM (#336312 - in reply to #336283)
Subject: Re: Aftermarket balancer, what pulleys will work adding PS ?



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Mike......

I would ask Bob Walker what the original application was for your balancer.
Then go looking for crank pulleys that fit that application.
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ThomasD500
Posted 2012-08-26 10:53 AM (#336315 - in reply to #336283)
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Yes, I did.
I bought a generic 'fluid damper' on Ebay (think it was about 100 bucks) and an aluminum main 3 sleeve pulley, (but I'm not using the 3rd sleeve) for a later Mopar. They lined up perfectly. The diameter is a tad larger than the original pulley.

I just took measurements from my original pulley and determined from that what 'depth' the pulley needed to be and search Ebay until I found one.

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Brushwolf
Posted 2012-08-26 1:46 PM (#336326 - in reply to #336315)
Subject: Re: Aftermarket balancer, what pulleys will work adding PS ?


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DeSotohead, Yes, I sent an inquiry to Bob along with request for a few more small items I still need. But also looked at box (mftrd in Australia) and it says it is the Street/Performance variation for a 392 hemi. So, maybe Bob will have some of the aluminum multi-sheave pulleys that will work. I read somewhere that the 6 bolt pattern matches all SB Mopars and have lot of pulleys I have saved but looks like almost all Ford, with a couple GM but just one with 6 bolt mounting pattern, origin unknown but it hits stock water pump pulley. Also checked a 330 Desoto hemi motor and a 315 poly I acquired last spring, but neither of those has multiple sheaves either. My 315 hemi truck motor does have multiple sheave pulley, but it is damaged beyond repair, but maybe I can take it off and see how it would line up and if it looked like the ticket, try to find another one of those. I could go junkyard exploring too, but probably bring home a bunch and spend all day, so probably only do that if nothing else pans out. So, will see what Bob comes up with first, I guess..

Thomas, Do you recall what the 3 sheave set was designed for according to listing or who manufactured it? I also noticed with your hemi installation pictures you used a Mopar alternator. I am still planning on using original generator and with some help from Neil found one of brackets off ebay is the right one I was missing, but if you have any pics or info retained on using alternator I would like to see that in case I later decide to switch to alternator. Also determined from Neils pics that 57 PS pump I have may be wrong one for hemi. Mine says Thompson Products on aluminum front half of pump body and has different style reservoir than pump on Neil's car. You have any pics of PS mounts and pump on your car.
Thanks again, Mike.
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ThomasD500
Posted 2012-08-26 9:11 PM (#336404 - in reply to #336283)
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I don't remember the exact year, but there some change in the damper and pulley sometime in the early 70s. The ones I used were from about that time period. I used a key adapter from TR Waters to make the damper work on my crankshaft.

I'll get some picture tomorrow and post them for you.
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Brushwolf
Posted 2012-08-27 1:32 AM (#336427 - in reply to #336404)
Subject: Re: Aftermarket balancer, what pulleys will work adding PS ?


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From descriptions on some Ebay pulleys, it sounds like one of bolts up until 1972 was drilled a little differently so pulley could only bolt to balancer when that hole lined up with balancer and after 72 the bolt holes are a uniform concentric pattern. Aftermarket pulleys address this by having one of the six holes being slotted instead of round so it will work whether balancer has old or newer bolt pattern.. I found some 1/8 inch fan pulley spacers on Ebay too, so ordered some of those in case I need them on this or other engine swap projects I have on back burner. Looks like BB crank pulleys would bolt on too, but diameters too large. SB items look like pulley diameters of about an inch smaller are close to diameter of original crank pulley. However since mine did not have PS, maybe dual pulleys were different size to run PS pump at appropriate RPM. Do you have your original crank pulley, and if so what is diameter of sheave driving PS pump?
Thanks, Mike
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rbmain
Posted 2012-08-27 9:37 AM (#336450 - in reply to #336283)
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Here's what it should look like. That's the late model pulley 57-64 V8-318 type bolted to the HH harmonic balancer. I may have another available if it's worth it to you.

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Mopar1
Posted 2012-08-27 10:59 AM (#336459 - in reply to #336450)
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Super Hy-fire??
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JT Vincent
Posted 2012-08-27 1:58 PM (#336493 - in reply to #336283)
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I'm not familiar with that stub-frame, but whatever you're doing there looks badass.
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rbmain
Posted 2012-08-27 2:34 PM (#336494 - in reply to #336283)
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That's my 55 Plymouth convertible. Plymouth called their V8 engines Hy-Fire, so I put decals on my Super Red Ram and called it Super Hy-Fire. It's what Plymouth would do if Chrysler had let them put hemis in 55 Plymouths. I had to make a shorty exhaust header for the right side to get it to work in the Plymouth chassis. The left side is a stock DODGE header. Some salvage yard wrote DODGE on it using glow in the dark reflective paint. (It'll burn off when I run the engine.) I used the Hot Heads front motor mount and built my own frame mounts. The 55's had that lame Floating Power mount under the water pump that allowed the engine to twist too much. In 56 they started casting ears on the blocks for wide stance mounting.

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Brushwolf
Posted 2012-08-30 3:28 PM (#336936 - in reply to #336494)
Subject: Re: Aftermarket balancer, what pulleys will work adding PS ?


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Interesting... dual sheaves across the board Not sure exactly how this would work with PS pump in stock location though. Maybe would work though if routed belts more similar to 57 layout
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