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Chrys 68
Posted 2014-03-01 9:36 AM (#429411)
Subject: 57 Fireflite



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Could it be better?

To be auctioned is a 1 owner, 1957 Desoto Fireflite Sportsman, with a 341 Hemi V8, 88,650 one owner miles. This car was owned by the late Mr. Wayne Gatterman of the Kaseyville/Thomas Hill Lake, MO area. Wayne purchased the car new. Iman Auction Company of Salisbury, MO will sell the car at Mr. Gatterman's estate auction along with his personal property. There will be more detailed photos to come. If you are interested or know any Desoto lovers that would appreciate this car, this is a very rare opportunity to purchase a 1 owner beautiful 57 Desoto Fireflite Sportsman.

Please contact Iman Auction Company ------ ImanAuction.com
-- Office : 1-660-388-6235





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Lancer Mike
Posted 2014-03-01 11:28 AM (#429418 - in reply to #429411)
Subject: RE: 57 Fireflite



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Chrys 68 - 2014-03-01 7:36 AM

Could it be better?



Answer: No! Look at that proud owner! That's a ray of sunshine on a snowy day here in Denver.

If that gentleman is the first and only owner, this might be a new car for Ed's registry.

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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2014-03-01 2:08 PM (#429433 - in reply to #429418)
Subject: RE: 57 Fireflite



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Well, ....bumper bullets, tinted glass, power windows, and any color but red ....

Looks like a nice car though ....
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Posted 2014-03-02 7:02 AM (#429540 - in reply to #429411)
Subject: Re: 57 Fireflite



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Chrys 68
Posted 2014-03-07 2:41 PM (#430252 - in reply to #429411)
Subject: RE: 57 Fireflite



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2014-03-09 10:45 PM (#430563 - in reply to #430252)
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Location: The Mile High City		Very nice images! It could be a very good deal for the next owner.
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Posted 2014-03-10 6:27 AM (#430580 - in reply to #429411)
Subject: Re: 57 Fireflite



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vedette
Posted 2014-03-11 8:40 PM (#430817 - in reply to #429411)
Subject: RE: 57 Fireflite


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Location: Scotland		Looks like it's been Sold before the auction.



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vedette
Posted 2014-03-12 3:04 PM (#430918 - in reply to #430817)
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vedette - 2014-03-11 8:40 PM

Looks like it's been Sold before the auction.

the way it is worded on the website made it sound like it was Sold,but it is still going through the auction.
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Posted 2014-03-12 4:51 PM (#430930 - in reply to #429411)
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Posted 2014-03-12 8:03 PM (#430947 - in reply to #430930)
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I am going to stop there on my way to Oklahoma city...anyone else here attending?
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Posted 2014-03-19 4:14 PM (#432021 - in reply to #429411)
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Location: Under the X in Texas		So, which one of you owns it this afternoon?
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GregCon
Posted 2014-03-19 5:32 PM (#432038 - in reply to #429411)
Subject: Re: 57 Fireflite



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Posted 2014-03-19 10:10 PM (#432072 - in reply to #430817)
Subject: RE: 57 Fireflite



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vedette
Posted 2014-03-19 10:48 PM (#432074 - in reply to #429411)
Subject: RE: 57 Fireflite


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57burb
Posted 2014-03-20 9:16 AM (#432109 - in reply to #432074)
Subject: RE: 57 Fireflite



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Location: DFW, TX		Even though "red and white" seems to be almost universally hated around here, the fact remains it is a striking color combination that looks spectacular on these cars.

Apparently Desoto thought enough of it to fill brochures and advertisements with Fireflites wearing that color combo.

I think someone got an awesome car. Hopefully they are here and let us know more about it.












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GregCon
Posted 2014-03-20 10:32 AM (#432117 - in reply to #432109)
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Location: Houston		Here is the crowd, or at least as much of it as would fit into my camera's lens. Each and every one of these people opened and closed each and every door, hood, and trunk lid at least 5 times, and each and every one found some part of the car to vigorously rub with their finger in hopes of discovering something wonderful underneath. Most also found occasion to lean on the car and of course used the top of the door glass as a handle to move the door as they swung it through its arc.





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GregCon
Posted 2014-03-20 10:36 AM (#432118 - in reply to #429411)
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Location: Houston		You kinda had the impression that Mr. Getterman was a simple old farmer who scraped by and somehow managed to buy, in Feb 1958, a leftover '57 Fireflite. That's pretty accurate, I guess, but I spent some time talking to a couple of the locals and it turns out he was a pretty big wheel in those parts...this simple farm was one of 'more than you can count' farms he owned, as well as a large property with 'over half a mile' of lakefront on the nearby and beautiful lake.

In any case, here is the well-used outhouse behind the farmhouse.





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GregCon
Posted 2014-03-20 10:37 AM (#432119 - in reply to #429411)
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Posted 2014-03-20 10:40 AM (#432120 - in reply to #429411)
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GregCon
Posted 2014-03-20 10:54 AM (#432123 - in reply to #429411)
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Location: Houston		Anyway, back to the car. It was clearly what we would call a 'survivor'. I talked to the older gent who had done most of the work on the car over the years....he was around 90 years old....and he said the paint was all original. I asked him about the driver's side quarter panel white and he said he had repainted it there, as the gasoline overflow stains would not come out. The pass side in this area also looked a little questionable to me but I didn't press the issue.

Being a survivor is what guided me on the value....the car is 'nice' but also not nice enough that it needs nothing, unless you were looking for a car to just enjoy 'as is' and could live with the age-related issues. I generally can't do that, so it limited my willingness to lay out a lot of cash. The day before I left town, I transferred $50K from my savings account my checking account so I could leave a check for the car if I won it, but I just wasn't willing to approach that level.

Some examples: The carpet was faded and brittle and receding. Seats needed to be redone. Engine was caked in dirt - when you remove that, it will start leaking enough to need gaskets. Which will lead to a rebuild when you see the sludge inside. Had a noisy lifter too. Front suspension was tired.Brakes most likely tired too, etc. The trans will need the usual rebuild. The point being...it all adds up to money.

Another downside was this was a low option car. I am not familiar in fine detail with all the options but I saw very few - no power interior pieces, no tinted glass, 5 button radio, etc.

The exhaust pipes had rotted away to the point that the gases had eaten through the trunk floor on both sides. So while the car was mostly rust free, it would still need some fairly involved rust repair. Another item that would need replacing - the exhaust system was a 'muffler shop special' and well rusted.

One big plus was it's near perfect steering wheel. Very nice. Very Very nice.


In the end, $32K was not a bad deal for this car, but not a steal by any means.
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Posted 2014-03-20 10:56 AM (#432124 - in reply to #429411)
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GregCon
Posted 2014-03-20 11:01 AM (#432126 - in reply to #432124)
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fin junkie
Posted 2014-03-20 11:15 AM (#432129 - in reply to #432124)
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The actual ending bid on this car was $34000. The auctioneer tried to get $34500 from a bidder before he got out. It almost made it to the $35K that the the auctioneer wanted to start at.

The only two options on the car that I saw were the rear fender stone guards and the dash clock.

For anyone that attended, did you see that the auctioneer took the actual receipt for the car and GLUED it to a mat board with two pictures and the auctioneers logo? What a waste. A document conservator could probably remove it and have it properly mounted.

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GregCon
Posted 2014-03-20 11:36 AM (#432133 - in reply to #432129)
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Location: Houston		I take it you were there? I don't agree with $34K. I was the extremely good looking guy* with the hat on who was freezing to death...and it was down to me and the buyer for the last 6 or 7 thousand dollars. I declined to go to $32500, not $34500. When there were no takers the auctioneer said 'sold for $32K!'

*don't argue with me on that point!

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57desoto
Posted 2014-03-20 3:21 PM (#432153 - in reply to #429411)
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Location: New Castle PA		Greg, that "single red wire cap on the distributor" is supposed to be there -- that's cylinder #1. Thanks for the detailed analysis of the auction.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2014-03-20 5:17 PM (#432167 - in reply to #432123)
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GregCon - 2014-03-21 7:54 AM

Being a survivor is what guided me on the value....the car is 'nice' but also not nice enough that it needs nothing, unless you were looking for a car to just enjoy 'as is' and could live with the age-related issues. I generally can't do that, so it limited my willingness to lay out a lot of cash. The day before I left town, I transferred $50K from my savings account my checking account so I could leave a check for the car if I won it, but I just wasn't willing to approach that level.

Some examples: The carpet was faded and brittle and receding. Seats needed to be redone. Engine was caked in dirt - when you remove that, it will start leaking enough to need gaskets. Which will lead to a rebuild when you see the sludge inside. Had a noisy lifter too. Front suspension was tired.Brakes most likely tired too, etc. The trans will need the usual rebuild. The point being...it all adds up to money.

Another downside was this was a low option car.



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This is the filter I run all cars through .... when one opens Pandora's Box, where does one stop ?

Finding that Ian Smale Saratoga that can be polished up bit-by-bit is wonderful, but if a person
wants a particular kind of car, they may meet their maker before ever finding an example so nice.

So, then you're left with a car that needs to come all the way down, and get built all the way back
up with more or less work being the only variable. The big trouble and expense being a constant.

And this is where (for me), going deep and having that intimate knowledge of every crevice is
worth the price of admission over paying large for a "done" car. As this one sits, it will have a lot
of parts crumble if used, some will polish up, but most will require the same spending large to take
"pretty nice" to "really nice" as it would to take a basket case to really nice.

The low option gig is one that harkens back to my old school logic that a top line car should be well
equipped. Perhaps not historically correct, .... loaded Fireflite 2 doors seem to be outnumbered 20-
to-1 by cars with only power steering and brakes as major options, ... but one that causes me to not
be as interested.

$32K seems like a boatload of dough for a car in this condition with no options. I can think of several
comparable cars with better options for a lot less money either available or changing hands in the past
year. Maybe it is the red paint. It's a proven auction ploy to work the Jedi mindwarp on those personality
types susceptible to such machismo stoking and squeeze maximum bucks out of their wallets.

I'd prefer this car as a coral and black unit with Solex glass and power windows to accentuate it's sexy,
yet conservative design.
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GregCon
Posted 2014-03-20 6:32 PM (#432185 - in reply to #429411)
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Location: Houston		Yep.. This car was well taken care of but not meticulously. For example, the exhaust should have been fixed long before the trunk rotted out.

I had to laugh a bit....I realized this car, literally out in the middle of nowhere, lived amidst a group of people who might have been all but unaware of the internet. For example, the fuel pump was bypassed with an electric pump. Why? The old guy who was the mechanic told me it came to the point where you could no longer buy or rebuild the mechanical pump. Now, I know of at least two places that can do that and I am sure there are more. But you pretty much need the internet. Same for the brake booster - it worked but he told me as a matter of fact that they were unobtainable. Which I'm sure was correct if you drove 20 miles to the Moberly parts store and asked.
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Posted 2014-03-20 9:16 PM (#432212 - in reply to #429411)
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Location: Houston		Here's a Twilight Zone moment....looking on Ebay at random under 57 Desoto and something catches my eye.....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-LICENSE-PLATE-TOPPER-Riebels-Desoto-MO...

If you look in the yellow circle on the trunk of this car, you'll see the Riebels dealer emblem.

Now, keep in mind Moberly is not exactly the world's biggest town....what are the odds?





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vedette
Posted 2014-03-20 10:07 PM (#432219 - in reply to #429411)
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2014-03-20 10:38 PM (#432221 - in reply to #432185)
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GregCon - 2014-03-21 3:32 PM

I had to laugh a bit....I realized this car, literally out in the middle of nowhere, lived amidst a group of people
who might have been all but unaware of the internet.


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You talkin' about that world wide web thing ? I heard of that.
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fin junkie
Posted 2014-03-20 11:21 PM (#432229 - in reply to #432212)
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The license plate topper was also at the auction yesterday. I didn't see it sell but there were also some older year numbers that were with it. Notice the location is in Kingston, Missouri, about 90 miles away.
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60crossram
Posted 2014-03-21 12:25 AM (#432235 - in reply to #429411)
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Location: Layton, Utah		My kids know how to shut my car doors !!! Even my family cars (my biggest pet peeve). I agree, this red Firefite ended for too much for needing everything. Especially since he doesnt even know how to use a steam cleaner in 53 years. My 57 Adventurer still has the original wires with the 1 red boot. Also mine does'nt have solex glass, Kind of wish it did. I hav'nt noticed, but do many Adventurers have tinted glass ?
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ToMopar
Posted 2014-03-21 7:52 AM (#432269 - in reply to #429411)
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Location: D-70199 Heslach		I have participated in the auction also, but I have been in the previously described also points not willing to pay $32K.
But it is a 'survivor', no doubt.

Well, that Riebels sign: if it has actually been dismantled by car to sell extra, the auctioneer has obviously not a feeling, what 'survivor' makes.





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Posted 2014-03-21 11:27 AM (#432289 - in reply to #432235)
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60crossram - 2014-03-21 9:25 PM

My kids know how to shut my car doors !!! Even my family cars (my biggest pet peeve). I agree, this red Firefite ended for too much for needing everything. Especially since he doesnt even know how to use a steam cleaner in 53 years. My 57 Adventurer still has the original wires with the 1 red boot. Also mine does'nt have solex glass, Kind of wish it did. I hav'nt noticed, but do many Adventurers have tinted glass ?


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I don't remember ever having seen a 56-58 Adventurer WITHOUT tinted glass ! Does you car have
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2014-07-03 12:51 AM (#447682 - in reply to #432289)
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This might be the self-same car...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DeSoto-Fireflite-Sportsman/181454042770?_trksid=p3984.c100019.m2044&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140116143826%26meid%3D8045787812287140299%26pid%3D100019%26prg%3D20140116143826%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D291174394866

flip!





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60crossram
Posted 2014-07-03 9:23 AM (#447697 - in reply to #429411)
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Location: Layton, Utah		Yes my 57 Adventurer does have a power seat and windows and Power steering. No A/C. Not much else on the option list. No bumper guards which is fine because I don't really like the look of them, the front bullet bumper guards are OK I guess, but the rears look totally out of place. (just my opinion).
Kind of strange that no undercarriage pictures were posted on the red/white Fireflite.

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ToMopar
Posted 2014-07-04 1:40 AM (#447783 - in reply to #447697)
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88,655 Original, one owner miles.







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Posted 2015-02-14 1:51 PM (#470053 - in reply to #429411)
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Location: D-70199 Heslach		Now this car is for sale again at http://www.rkmotorscharlotte.com/sales/inventory/active#!/1957-DeSo...

The prize rise to $60.000 - remember - auction in Kaseyville MO ends for $32000





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GregCon
Posted 2015-02-14 4:04 PM (#470063 - in reply to #429411)
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Location: Houston		It's hardly a survivor with all the work that's been done to it.

Even if it sells at $60K there's not a lot of profit to be made since they started at $32K and had to spend a lot more. Plus I still wonder just how they fixed all the rust in the trunk...
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Posted 2015-02-14 4:27 PM (#470066 - in reply to #429411)
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Location: Layton, Utah		That paint is hiding a lot I'm sure. There will be tons of surprises for the new owner. This car looked pretty dirty and grungy from the farmers pictures. Plus all those years on the dirt roads, there has to be rocker rust and headlight eyebrow rust. Beautiful cars.
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