57 Royal with 392 project
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Posted 2017-04-30 10:34 PM (#539179)
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Got this from Missouri, no one was buying it because it had front windshield, passenger and rear windows smashed out.  I just happened to have all three of those sitting at home so i bought it.

Engine was froze up as the plugs were out of this and it sat forever.  Complete car though and not too horrible.  Floors are intact except some holes.

I got a 392 hemi out of a 57 chrysler along with the power steering and brakes.

Got the fenders done, hood and trunklid ready to go in primer. The hemi needs the heads done but the bottom is all wrapped up.

I will paint and restore the whole front clip now that the engine is gone and out.  I have many nos parts for this car.

 





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Posted 2017-05-01 5:27 AM (#539195 - in reply to #539179)
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Great Project! Keep up the good work! Marc.
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Posted 2017-05-02 6:02 PM (#539305 - in reply to #539179)
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more pics, dash is kinda ragged but I have all new gauges and speedo\wheel... got torsion bar bolts off also final disassembly of the front suspension... Obviously I have some floor work to do and inner/outer rockers.

 

 



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Posted 2017-05-02 8:04 PM (#539320 - in reply to #539179)
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Looks like you are a little faster than me in rebuilding your motor. Mine has stalled for what seems like ages. Your car almost looks like an exact replica of mine, one year earlier. Is that a green interior color or more of an aqua? Looks like you did a great job on that patch. It's pretty nice to get that crispy section outta there. Now you just need to do the cleanup work on it.
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Posted 2017-05-03 6:20 PM (#539402 - in reply to #539179)
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Aqua interior, the fenders are all cleaned up and in primer, hood and trunk is in primer also. These trunks suck... so much rust hidden down in the corners. I touched it with the welder and it kept going forever... Eventually I got it solid. filled the trunk with Por15 and under the hood.

Today, polished antennas, took off lower control arm nuts, took off front lower control arm stabilizer bar nuts and bars, shocks off also. Ive been spraying the torsion arms. This car comes apart underneath because it had a front crank oil leak, the engine had constant oil spray so it was a nightmare to clean but once the gunk is off its a dream.

 



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Posted 2017-05-08 10:05 PM (#539732 - in reply to #539179)
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blasting front suspension parts, now to finish painting. I am working on my torsion bar puller also.





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Posted 2017-05-09 12:36 AM (#539739 - in reply to #539179)
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Great Project, can´t wait to see that big ol´Hemi in that car, A super Duper D500-2 ha ha ha.... Good luck and keep posting
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Posted 2017-05-14 10:42 PM (#540036 - in reply to #539179)
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one set of rockers cleaned and ready to go. Put on Stanke collars and shafts.

Shafts 240$ and collars 131$ shipped

got lifters also. 110$

Working on valley cover and intake manifold.

I am trying to lose weight on this engine.  The intake manifold alone is a ton(if I lose starter, alternator and intake manifold weight I should be good).

I was worried about the torsion bars but I have been doing some research and I should be fine.  I think our torsion bars are overkill on the size.

They only broke from production issue/damage typically.  I think chrysler said make them so they would last and they did.

 



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Powerflite
Posted 2017-05-15 10:48 AM (#540061 - in reply to #539179)
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I agree, there isn't any real danger of your t-bars breaking with the extra weight, but your car just won't handle very well because it will be under-sprung. Supposedly, the 325 poly is around 610 lbs and the D500 at 645 lbs, with the 392 at 740lbs. So you would need to lose 130 lbs to break even with the poly motor. The aluminum intake will get you 35 lbs and the starter and alternator will get you probably 10-15lbs each (I didn't measure it). So you won't be able to get down to the poly weight unless you get a set of aluminum heads; but you will definitely feel the benefit of losing the 60-70 or so lbs you have planned. Especially the intake & alternator because of how high they sit on the car. If you take the time to put a good sway bar under it, the extra weight won't have as bad of an effect on the car. When I put a 331 hemi into my '56 Savoy, the handling was noticeably worse, but after swapping to a larger Chrysler sway bar, it made it a lot more manageable. But my '58 Dodge doesn't have any sway bar in it at all.

Your exhaust rockers look too short, but it is probably just the angle they are in.
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Posted 2017-05-15 5:38 PM (#540093 - in reply to #539179)
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I think I can save a little more with the headers and exhaust system. I might be using the Holley EFI carb also.

I don't really think I can lose any more weight easily? any other ideas. Light weight fan? I do have a big block aluminum water pump that's probably 5 lbs off. That alternator is very heavy...

I will be running 4 wheel discs but that is unsprung weight.   Adding the sway bar will up the weight.  I will weigh my starter and alternator.

 



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Posted 2017-05-15 7:15 PM (#540096 - in reply to #540093)
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Swapping to an aluminum 727 will shed weight as well, if you are planning on that. But I don't think they changed the bars when going to the D500, so you really only need to lose a total of 100 lbs to be close to stock D500 configuration. I'm not sure what savings the trans will give you, but I imagine it should easily get you another 40lbs.
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Posted 2017-05-15 9:26 PM (#540105 - in reply to #539179)
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so I have an aluminum 727 in the 57 dodge now? Should I use it with the hemi and not the one that came with the hemi out of Yorker wagon?

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Posted 2017-05-15 10:11 PM (#540106 - in reply to #539179)
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The car should have come with a cast iron 3 speed Torqueflite or cast iron 2 speed Powerflite. The bell housing is aluminum, but the rest of the trans is cast iron. If you install a push-button 727 aluminum trans from '62-'65, then you will shed some weight in doing so. But you would need to use an adapter from HotHeads because the crank position is different starting in '62.
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Posted 2017-05-16 12:07 AM (#540122 - in reply to #539179)
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okay that ain't happening Cleaned up a head after I got done polishing antenna's...

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Posted 2017-05-18 10:19 PM (#540371 - in reply to #539179)
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one head done... uhg, I need to get these back on the engine and button it up... got the intake and the valley cover, pushrods...



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Posted 2017-05-18 10:33 PM (#540374 - in reply to #540371)
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Installing spark plug seals is a good investment. Otherwise, every time you remove a plug to check how the motor is running or whatever, it is covered in oil. Also when the motor first starts, it burns a lot of the oil that drained into there. Just saves some headache, but does make it more difficult to remove the tubes if you need to.

How much clearance did you put between those collars and the rocker arms?

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Posted 2017-05-18 11:07 PM (#540378 - in reply to #539179)
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I saw these but man... what a pain

http://www.hothemiheads.com/cylinder_heads/spark_plug_seals_aluminu...

I was going to email stanke but I think as long as they move freely and there is no play I should be good.

the oil seeping out the end will keep the ends well oiled so I don't have to worry about galling or anything. I haven't locked them down yet.
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Posted 2017-05-19 10:02 PM (#540434 - in reply to #539179)
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Got the scarebird brackets in today. Next up order rotors and calipers



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mikes2nd
Posted 2017-05-21 10:23 AM (#540501 - in reply to #539179)
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ack got the stoptech rotors ordered. Looks like my drivers side torsion might be rusted.

going to try the 2000 dodge 1500 dual piston calipers to see if they fit at o'reilys today
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Posted 2017-05-21 10:56 AM (#540504 - in reply to #540106)
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If you install a push-button 727 aluminum trans from '62-'65, then you will shed some weight in doing so. But you would need to use an adapter from HotHeads because the crank position is different starting in '62.
Crank & bell pattern changes. I like the adaptor that Quality Engineered Components ("Wayfarer" here on the Board) sells. It's a horse shoe style, HH & Wil-Cap are full circle style & have to be done before putting on the engine oil pan.
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Posted 2017-05-21 6:13 PM (#540539 - in reply to #539179)
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yeah that 40 lbs is desirable but not worth it I think, that's a lot of work and cash(just trying to find the part).

My torsion bar is good, the 2000 dual piston calipers are a no go and I painted all my suspension parts.

I am going to have to have the lower control arm bushings pressed out, its impossible to force the issue.

Next up frame cleaning and prep for por-15/silverbullet.

I like silver bullet a lot better lately. it dries faster so it doesn't run forever. Por15 had bad coverage and ran forever. A day later and my jar is still runny, I had some runs I didn't like and had to put two coats just to get full coverage.

Silver bullet was better. I think I'm going with it from now on.
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Posted 2017-05-21 7:23 PM (#540544 - in reply to #539179)
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What didn't work about the dual piston calipers? I was hoping to use those in the future too.
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Posted 2017-05-21 8:58 PM (#540551 - in reply to #539179)
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Dodge moved to a different caliper "mid 99" larger bolt, bigger distance between bolts, not happening at all. I thought that was a long shot.

If you want dual piston I would go with aaj. Depending upon rim size I can use the 1500, 2500 or 3500HD 94-99 dodge trucks. That 3500 Caliper could stop a train but its still single piston. At that point only abs would help.

I will be doing a performance test on my car when I'm done to see how fast I can stop without locking them up.

There is still the option of the GM Calipers but I doubt that will be any different.

I bought some "58" torsion bar rubber covers so they will no longer rust

I got my hot heads hemi 4 barrell intake manifold, i think im going with the Holley sniper EFI   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mIhs4xahBY 

 

 



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Posted 2017-05-26 12:11 AM (#540922 - in reply to #539179)
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got rotors!



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Posted 2017-06-01 8:56 PM (#541372 - in reply to #539179)
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got the lower control arm bushings locked in. Now need to paint those and I start painting the front frame and can now start putting it back together.

I did not need a press, I had a perfect tube to push it in.

I will start yanking out the manual steering and get the power steering in. I will take a serious wire wheel to the frame and rust bullet it.






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Posted 2017-06-03 12:25 AM (#541427 - in reply to #539179)
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okay two coats of rust bullet on the lower control arms. I'm looking for a new torsion bar.

tomorrow I start cleaning the frame in prep for painting on putting it back together. I need to get the trans out.

I also picked up some aluminum "pro-forged" tie rod adjusting sleeves instead of the moogs. 59$ from summit but nice and wont hold water, rust, stronger etc. picked up Timken bearings for the hubs also at summit racing.







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Posted 2017-06-05 7:57 PM (#541588 - in reply to #539179)
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I'm attempting to catch up with Jessica.

Painted torsions, torsion bolts, lower control arm bumper brackets

I believe everything is done and ready to go.

Ill drop the trans, and clean up the hemi trans.

Bust out the grinder and go nuts on the front. I am off to the sandblaster tomorrow.





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Posted 2017-06-05 9:00 PM (#541589 - in reply to #539179)
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Good luck, Jessica is hard to keep up with! The first thing I do with those grinders is to remove the guard. They really get in the way when you are using a wire wheel, and they cause a lot of drag on it. Too bad really, because they could potentially keep those little wires from flying off into your pants otherwise, if they were just a little bit bigger in size. But I have found they cause more problems than they solve.
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Posted 2017-06-06 10:10 AM (#541610 - in reply to #541589)
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What is the story on the rocker arms shafts? The dark color seems a bit odd.
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Posted 2017-06-06 11:28 AM (#541613 - in reply to #539179)
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those are the Stanke rocker arm shafts, I didn't want to fight cleaning mine.

240$ a set on ebay.

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Posted 2017-06-06 11:56 PM (#541663 - in reply to #539179)
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door is off... gonna have to replace rockers and some of the outer floor pans, braces are under there and will need some cleanup.

stopped at sandblaster today. will get the trans and brace out tomorrow and polish more antennas..



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Posted 2017-06-07 9:21 PM (#541747 - in reply to #539179)
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Hemi trans drained, looks great inside, oil looks new. Cleaned other head of grease and grime, ready to start building it.





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Posted 2017-06-08 6:59 PM (#541820 - in reply to #539179)
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parking brake was a pita to get off... cleaned up the pan but I need to sandblast it. Started rough scraping on the trans. I need to get the pan on it before I can really start cleaning up the trans. I hope to paint it tomorrow.






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Posted 2017-06-10 9:55 PM (#541917 - in reply to #539179)
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this is a nightmare... uhg





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Posted 2017-06-11 11:40 PM (#541960 - in reply to #539179)
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day two.. hotter than hell and I'm on a time crunch...





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Posted 2017-06-15 12:15 AM (#542162 - in reply to #539179)
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unhooked shifter cable... people say "pop the spring off"... not... it was froze up good, I got it off eventually but no way was it just coming off. almost finished and ready for final paint.

Got my sandblasted parts back   1 fender liner, core support, hemi head covers, a 58 plymouth bumper cover, 57 dodge front upper grill support with hood latch for 134$ out the door.



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Posted 2017-06-16 8:40 AM (#542263 - in reply to #539179)
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got parts back from sandblaster. Por15'ed all the parts I could.

Transmission gets primer and paint today.

Im hunting for gold paint for the valve covers.  I could always go yellow now to match the car.



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Posted 2017-06-16 11:30 PM (#542317 - in reply to #539179)
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too dang hot, didn't have the right engine paint for the transmission, got the right paint today, only got the bellhousing done, it goes back together tomorrow and final paint.

I need to check seals also.

You can eat off the bell housing and it sounds like an actual bell.




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Posted 2017-06-18 10:46 PM (#542430 - in reply to #539179)
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finally done... in 90 degree weather this sucked...





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Posted 2017-06-19 6:35 AM (#542442 - in reply to #539179)
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Looking good Mike. Change those seals while you got the box out!

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Posted 2017-06-19 9:18 AM (#542446 - in reply to #539179)
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Yeah this is low miles, looks great but I will. Next I can get get back to the hemi and get the front end together.

Need to hit the seal and bearing shop down the road. It's great to simply go get any bearing or seal with a short drive.
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got parts back from sandblaster. Por15'ed all the parts I could.

Transmission gets primer and paint today.

Im hunting for gold paint for the valve covers.  I could always go yellow now to match the car.

little, if any, oil 'flys' around the valve covers. Gyptal is probably a waste of effort there.
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Posted 2017-06-19 12:19 PM (#542461 - in reply to #539179)
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I'm.more concerned with moisture and rust
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Posted 2017-06-23 4:55 PM (#542734 - in reply to #540551)
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mikes2nd - 2017-05-21 7:58 PM

Dodge moved to a different caliper "mid 99" larger bolt, bigger distance between bolts, not happening at all. I thought that was a long shot.

If you want dual piston I would go with aaj. Depending upon rim size I can use the 1500, 2500 or 3500HD 94-99 dodge trucks. That 3500 Caliper could stop a train but its still single piston. At that point only abs would help.

I will be doing a performance test on my car when I'm done to see how fast I can stop without locking them up.

There is still the option of the GM Calipers but I doubt that will be any different.



I don't know if you have seen these or not, but SSBC makes a 2-piston caliper for the 90's Dodge/GM trucks:
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/ssb-a186-1/overview/year/1995/mak...

It might work with the Scarebird kit.
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Posted 2017-06-25 12:35 AM (#542815 - in reply to #539179)
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Hmm interesting, expensive but I will check them out.

new seals in trans, cleaned trans hardware, cleaned other head and started putting springs/valves back in, painted, painted valve covers and wire covers.
Picked up comp cams break in oil from summit, VHT paint from autozone.

heads hopefully go on tomorrow.






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Posted 2017-06-26 10:20 PM (#542939 - in reply to #539179)
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final assembly for the hemi...  this engine is fricking huge... i was worried my engine stand would get crushed.



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Posted 2017-06-26 11:24 PM (#542943 - in reply to #539179)
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Looks good. I wish mine was that far along. Just a warning that you may have trouble fitting those spark plug wire covers under your master cylinder. Is that hole in the back of the valley pan for the oil fill? How are you going to set that up? The checkered flags on it remind me of the '56 D500 emblem. Cool. Only yours will be a D502

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Posted 2017-06-27 7:12 AM (#542949 - in reply to #539179)
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That is for an egr, that cover has a cut out for oil fill.

I will upgrade to a dual master for safety. I saw a low profile one.
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Posted 2017-06-30 12:42 AM (#543197 - in reply to #539179)
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I cant believe this engine is this darn huge.. Its beautiful though.



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Posted 2017-07-06 11:25 PM (#543679 - in reply to #539179)
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to be safe I bought full floorpans and I started cleaning the frame...



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Posted 2017-07-10 3:10 PM (#543903 - in reply to #539179)
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pulled front trim and glass out, got the first 20 inches ready for painting



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Posted 2017-07-10 10:13 PM (#543917 - in reply to #539179)
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Coming along nicely. I wish my windshield rubber looked like that. Mine is hard as a rock and in about 1000 pieces.
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Posted 2017-07-10 10:40 PM (#543922 - in reply to #539179)
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round 1 of rust bullet, 2nd coat goes on tomorrow.



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Posted 2017-07-15 7:20 PM (#544191 - in reply to #539179)
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radiator support complete, two coats of rust bullet and one coat rust bullet black shell.







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Posted 2017-07-16 7:06 AM (#544198 - in reply to #539179)
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Posted 2017-07-21 11:16 PM (#544586 - in reply to #539179)
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Tearing out dash to get it sandblasted... and my emblem haul as of late...




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Posted 2017-07-22 11:55 AM (#544614 - in reply to #539179)
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Great emblem haul you have there. The script styles of the old cars were so much cooler than most of what's on the new cars, IMHO.


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Posted 2017-07-23 11:35 PM (#544703 - in reply to #539179)
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Dash out... gonna rebuild this harness on this sucker I guess also! I do like the video on youtube of the guy doing his Plymouth. dash is going to the sandblaster, brake assembly will be replaced with a power steering one.

I have new guages and speedo all ready to go, so that part will be easy, new steering wheel... 

 

 



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Posted 2017-08-05 10:02 AM (#545625 - in reply to #539179)
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back from the sandblaster, metal etching the dash. front end rebuild happens soon.





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Posted 2017-08-05 4:45 PM (#545639 - in reply to #539179)
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this was a lot of work...

digging in a those little crevices...





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Posted 2017-08-05 5:31 PM (#545641 - in reply to #545639)
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I can attest to that. Looking good.

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Posted 2017-08-05 10:43 PM (#545659 - in reply to #539179)
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I spun the oil pump on the hemi to build oil pressure tonight also.
Next up, rust bullet black shell tomorrow.

Then rebuild entire front end, buy calipers that fit and pads
put in power steering after I clean out the floor pan area so I can steer it put doors fenders and hood on it(temporarily), take it to dmv to get out of state paper. Get it titled.

lift it off the frame and get to cutting and welding.
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Posted 2017-08-06 3:40 PM (#545692 - in reply to #539179)
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suspension goes on tomorrow! finally can get it moving again.



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Posted 2017-08-07 9:59 AM (#545747 - in reply to #539179)
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You should try to find and install the factory front sway bar, it would help the handling especially with the extra weight.
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Posted 2017-08-07 10:12 AM (#545748 - in reply to #545747)
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Agreed. Even with my stock 325, there is a huge difference in handling between my '58 DeSoto with a sway bar and the '58 Dodge without one. Probably not what you want to hear right after painting it all up. I am going to fab the brackets for mine as soon as I get the New Yorker running.
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Posted 2017-08-07 10:31 AM (#545751 - in reply to #539179)
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I have one, I will bolt it onto the frame and not weld it in.
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Posted 2017-08-10 12:00 AM (#545929 - in reply to #539179)
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painted the stabilizer bar, need to find bushings, I will weld a bracket together that I can bolt on.

Need to get calipers also




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Posted 2017-08-12 11:01 PM (#546092 - in reply to #539179)
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just need to add the torsion bars and hubs and I can get it rolling again, which is my main objective...





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Posted 2017-08-15 10:37 PM (#546314 - in reply to #539179)
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ugh spent 70$ on bolts and nuts.





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Posted 2017-08-16 10:48 AM (#546336 - in reply to #546314)
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Posted 2017-08-16 12:47 PM (#546340 - in reply to #539179)
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I like the AAJ, it came with bolts and I would probably spend just as much looking for a 77 scrap car, I am replacing all the bolts with new grade 8 stuff(the bumper bracket bolts were the big expense..).

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Posted 2017-08-20 12:42 AM (#546559 - in reply to #539179)
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getting closer to putting it back on the ground then I can hook it to the hauler and take it to the new garage for welding up the floors/body cleanup/paint.

Im goign to have to cut that stablizer bar bracket adn weld it back up so i can get the bushings in on the ends. I got the others in fine.

 



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Posted 2017-08-20 6:29 PM (#546600 - in reply to #539179)
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stabilizer bar almost installed...





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Posted 2017-08-20 9:37 PM (#546620 - in reply to #539179)
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Mr Fancy Britches, drilled and sloted. Don't want that Hemi to turn into a Mustang Video. lol Looking good!!!!

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Posted 2017-08-20 10:40 PM (#546624 - in reply to #539179)
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hah yeah 75$ a rotor! I'm a high roller man, I'm going to out brake a Ferrari

Anyone need a torqueflight?

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Posted 2017-08-21 7:04 AM (#546642 - in reply to #546624)
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Don't need a torqueflight however I might be interested in the left drum if it's in good shape.
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Posted 2017-08-21 9:33 AM (#546655 - in reply to #539179)
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ive got drums in good shape, where you at?
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Posted 2017-08-21 1:21 PM (#546677 - in reply to #539179)
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Posted 2017-08-25 1:00 AM (#546968 - in reply to #539179)
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its on the ground. Now to clear it out and get it rolling. the cowl area is good, doesnt need welded, just needs a good cleaning and rust bullet... thatll save me a day or two.

I need to get the drive shaft out, ill drop the tank also, get it boxed up and ready to go to other garage for welding on the body/rest of the frame finish.





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Posted 2017-09-02 12:08 AM (#547563 - in reply to #539179)
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getting it ready for moving... time is running out in ohio weather...

trunk isn't that bad.





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Posted 2017-09-03 12:47 AM (#547614 - in reply to #539179)
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getting trans ready



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Posted 2017-09-11 5:25 PM (#548175 - in reply to #539179)
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way to much and have to cut it down but braces are good.



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Posted 2017-09-27 9:39 PM (#549316 - in reply to #539179)
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getting dash ready for new seam sealing and primer/paint, front passenger floorpan is in, rocker finishes up soon. I'm pushing hard to get the body done before winter... starting putting in ALOT of time.

I don't like the design for the water routing on these cars, it routes the water down the front of the firewall?  Any bit of seam sealer fail and you car is litterally full of water.  its always best to use a solid pan and route the water outward.

The FWL cars dont do that, they seem to route out those two holes(and the water sits in the "lip" just waiting to rust through and spill water down inside the car...\

I went with the Schott rockers and they are in town(local pickup), way better than the other cruddy junk. My floorpans come with a lip so im triple thick there with the lip and my floorpans are thick also.

I need to grind down the welds and seamseal and paint up the floors. Finish drilling the holes for the support underneath. 

 

 

 

 



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Posted 2017-09-27 10:29 PM (#549318 - in reply to #539179)
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You have an earlier car like my '57 New Yorker. '57's made later in the year changed those drains to have 2 flanges with holes in them to hold the drain tubes, and the bottom lip is lower so it drains better and doesn't collect so much dirt and mud.

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Posted 2017-09-27 11:46 PM (#549321 - in reply to #539179)
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Good thread, Chrysler must have said "were dummies" and better fix this as water sits there forever(hot engine bay maybe helped) but it was plain bad.

I will open up those holes so they drain easier and seam seal it big time.
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Posted 2017-09-28 10:24 PM (#549376 - in reply to #539179)
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okay which way does the heater diverter spring push to? toward the bottom and default out the defroster? or up and let the air at the feet? I assumed it pushes down.

I think it took 6 hours to refurb that darn contraption. I stuck new rubber on the flapper and I'm not even done yet. I noticed the 58 Plymouth uses a steel flapper and it will rust.






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Posted 2017-09-29 9:44 PM (#549433 - in reply to #539179)
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It pushes up to default to "inside the car"... finally finished this beast... I think restoring this took more time than welding a fricking floorpan in... yeesh...

I used foam board and gorilla tape(this stuff is insane). You can put this tape through the wash multiple times and it wont come off and I didn't want to try to start stapling this thing again.

I enhanced it a bit with newer rubber and other materials, lubed everything, touched it up, better than new and wont mold like the paper backing it had before.





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Posted 2017-10-04 4:53 PM (#549765 - in reply to #539179)
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I have 3m seam sealed and tested for leaks around the trouble areas. I welded a few spots. I did find a tiny pinhole in the air intake area...  I saw rust bullet flow inside the car.

My cowl backside was pretty good, just a few pinholes, i will re-seam seal that whole area also so water can sit inside that area ever again.

the 3m stuff is great.

now I will dynamat the front firewall inside and a put in new padding once I rust bullet the inside. Then the dash can start going back in...



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Posted 2017-10-04 5:38 PM (#549769 - in reply to #539179)
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Great work on your air box. Those things are kindof a pain to deal with. What color scheme did you decide on for this?
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Posted 2017-10-04 6:07 PM (#549774 - in reply to #539179)
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going white, blue interior like stock also.

I "might" paint the fins yellow and see if it sticks
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Posted 2017-10-09 10:32 PM (#550076 - in reply to #539179)
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test fitting for cut line on rockers

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Posted 2017-10-20 7:30 PM (#550713 - in reply to #539179)
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heavy body primer'd the hood and fender... wont see paint till spring.

Got to get these floors in so I can wire and get the engine in and fired up over winter... Ohio isn't good for working on cars...





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Posted 2017-10-23 11:46 PM (#550914 - in reply to #539179)
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test fitting drivers floorpan for burn in..





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Posted 2017-10-27 10:46 PM (#551215 - in reply to #539179)
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welded!



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Posted 2017-11-04 1:05 AM (#551575 - in reply to #539179)
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other rocker goes on tomorrow.

Stopped by summit racings "scratch and dent sale". All this stuff is marked down pretty good

got a 440 Pulley that fits the 392!
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Posted 2017-11-04 11:35 AM (#551595 - in reply to #539179)
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Posted 2017-11-04 10:56 PM (#551654 - in reply to #539179)
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drivers side floor is done and rocker is welded in up top, I will do a final cut then tack in the bottom tomorrow. I really need to get this body done asap.

test fitting the pulleys.

I am going to have to figure out these brackets. No AC but I need power steering and alternator.

I think I'm going to have to go high on the passenger side with the alternator. I would like to keep it down low but I will see.



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Posted 2017-11-08 7:39 AM (#551834 - in reply to #539179)
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picked up a radiator and a temp sensor/fan motor control module at summits scratch and dent. Tacked in the drivers rocker.

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Posted 2017-11-08 12:54 PM (#551853 - in reply to #539179)
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Rust repair looks like it is coming along well. Who made your rocker panels for you?
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Posted 2017-11-10 7:46 PM (#552001 - in reply to #539179)
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Schott, I was going to ask them about "other panels they could make. I know they used to make lower quarter patches and headlight caps.

I bet they still have the stamps, they have huge presses... place is old school

Griffin radiator sensor PC-91H, Derale High-Output Dual RAD Fan and Shroud Kits 16927, and Summit Racing® Universal Fit Aluminum Radiators SUM-380308

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Posted 2017-11-13 12:30 AM (#552131 - in reply to #539179)
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I cut the bumper off, those bolts were pretty much fused on and the bumper has a rust hole in it, it actually doesn't look bad but theres was a bad spot.

Most chromers wont give a core charge for it so its probably scrap, I used the square grind trick.

Back of the car isn't bad, got some soft spots in the trunk to handle and of course the trunk drops needs replaced. I'm pushing hard to get the body done before winter. I want to rebuild over the winter in the garage, I only have a few weeks left.



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Posted 2017-11-17 6:03 PM (#552549 - in reply to #539179)
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body comes off the frame tomorrow... as long as no rain...





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Posted 2017-11-17 10:16 PM (#552569 - in reply to #539179)
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Nice. Wish I had the space for a rotisserie. I'm jealous.
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Posted 2017-11-18 10:36 AM (#552592 - in reply to #539179)
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Making good progress. Hope you can beat the weather!!

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Posted 2017-11-18 5:44 PM (#552632 - in reply to #539179)
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Posted 2017-11-21 12:25 AM (#552827 - in reply to #539179)
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had to wait the next day..



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Posted 2017-11-21 7:14 AM (#552831 - in reply to #539179)
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You are doing that car Justice! keep up the posts and pics. I dig the timber body stand, Nice one!

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Posted 2017-11-21 9:33 PM (#552892 - in reply to #539179)
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frame has Rust Bullet first coat, one more rust bullet coat and then the black shell goes on.

I actually added some more "drain" holes, after power washing the frame, I realized Chrysler doesn't really provide adequate drainage on its frames, so I drilled some low access drain holes and a couple at the ends of the rear upper shock support bar... water was pooling in there, no longer with my car and I put some rust blast in there where I could and jacked the frame back and forth to move it, I doubt I got it all though. I wonder if someone has a dip rust proofing bath? hah that wouldn't be cheap





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Posted 2017-11-25 12:17 AM (#553084 - in reply to #539179)
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found the engine number on the frame and got the second coat of rust bullet and final coat of black shell...

it took a lot of paint... that was a 50$ can of rust bullet and half a can of black shell.





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Posted 2017-11-25 12:43 AM (#553086 - in reply to #539179)
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And...a lot of work to clean that all up. Nice job.
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Posted 2017-11-30 12:14 AM (#553413 - in reply to #539179)
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rear floor pan, It just cut the whole thing out to make it easy. I could have patched it but in the end I said screw it and redid the whole thing which was easier. Passenger side is a lot better so I will figure that out.

May just do a smaller patch, seems like they rot around the upper bracket. and down in the well on the floor. those stiffening slots caught water a lot it seems.





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Posted 2017-12-04 11:01 PM (#553720 - in reply to #539179)
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holy crap I'm grinding and cleaning... dirt and dust and crap everywhere outside... one more good day.

Ive got the underneath cleaning going, the trunk sections I need to replace mostly cut out. Trunk drops are pending and lower quarter pieces after the cleanup happens, I hope to have the entire up and down front cowl done tomorrow. I can finish welding in the garage when its warm, getting underneath rustbulleted and rustproofed.



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Posted 2017-12-17 11:36 PM (#554522 - in reply to #539179)
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putting trunk drops in to keep the shape, the C2C kind of do the job, I still need to build the patch in the front, I am replacing more metal than I thought I would but I don't willy nilly patch, I am doing most of the edges.

I still need to trim the big hole but I wanted to get the side supported, I will trim the rusty stuff back and make a big patch. I will then grind and wire wheel it all before painting.





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Posted 2017-12-18 11:51 PM (#554615 - in reply to #539179)
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Posted 2017-12-28 9:24 AM (#555113 - in reply to #539179)
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cut out more of that bad rust, all cleaned up. I am near to finishing, drivers side trunk was the bad side.

My main objective is get this car done underneath/coated and get the car back on the frame, ill finish the cleanup and paint on the frame.

its fricking like 10 degrees... not going to be fun outside removing the leftover undercoating with a wire wheel in that weather. inside the wheel well I swear its a half inch thick.





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Posted 2017-12-28 11:57 AM (#555120 - in reply to #539179)
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My '58 Dodge had undercoating on the inside floors and was really disgusting. Looks like they just dumped it in there with a pail. It was really lumpy and at least 1" thick in places. It was still in good shape, but I chiseled out a bunch of it just to make the floor less lumpy. Being in S. Cal, I don't miss those winters at all. It's supposed to be 80 degrees today. I used to dream of working in a big shop with a good wood burning stove in the middle of it. Now I dream of having enough space to be able to work in the shade.
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Posted 2017-12-28 10:28 PM (#555141 - in reply to #539179)
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passenger side is done!

I was also wondering about "dry ice" removal of rust proofing? not sure how I put this on my wheel wells

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRh5H43Xs44

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Posted 2017-12-29 12:06 AM (#555146 - in reply to #555141)
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passenger side is done!

I was also wondering about "dry ice" removal of rust proofing? not sure how I put this on my wheel wells

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRh5H43Xs44



Wow, the dry ice works great. You might be able to use some plastic sheets, cut pieces of a round plastic trash can for example, duct taped on three sides inside the wheel well to create pockets that you could pack with the ice. Or fill a disposable pie tin (cobbler tins are rectangular) with ice and mash & hold it in a section at a time. Scraping the inside of a curve upside down doesn’t sound so fun.
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Posted 2017-12-29 10:33 AM (#555169 - in reply to #539179)
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im gonna try it, you just kind of tap it an it should crack and fall.
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Posted 2018-01-09 12:53 AM (#555897 - in reply to #539179)
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trunk welding is done, gotta grind now.

got my 57 chevy body mounts from rock auto



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Posted 2018-01-27 11:34 PM (#557072 - in reply to #539179)
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Since I am going with a Holley Sniper EFI carb setup. I picked up some EFI fuel hose, a holley post and pre filter setup.
I already have a external fuel pump ready. So I basically have this kit.

I will run the feed from the hose in the tank and the return down the fill tube.



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Posted 2018-01-28 10:13 PM (#557137 - in reply to #539179)
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last little bit to weld inside... now to start the "grinding" and cleaning... Rust bullet and seal sealing and the final painting and undercoating.

I have to get under the car and wire brush/scrub, grind a bit. The car must go on the body this week as I have a few days off until back to work full time... uhg... must get done!



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Posted 2018-02-02 1:04 AM (#557367 - in reply to #539179)
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so I am pondering "seats" I think I restore an original set and a "long distance driving set". A modern comfortable bench seat from like 2011 ford or dodge pickup with a center seat(almost a bench).

I will get them in the same vinyl color to match. I am hunting seats now.

fords look like this, that center part goes up to reveal a center seat. its one unit.




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Posted 2018-02-20 6:30 PM (#558523 - in reply to #539179)
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fuel tank is nice





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Posted 2018-02-26 9:55 PM (#558871 - in reply to #539179)
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final grinding and finish entire inside rust bullet and top coat...

finally weather breaking in ohio, i need to move south



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Posted 2018-03-11 12:28 PM (#559660 - in reply to #539179)
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so im back outside for a while. Someone had backed into the lower front quarter panel and the arch was kind of bashed in and It wasn't playing nice so I had a patch, I didn't have the original arch so I used this one to get the perfect original shape back. It was kind of hard to just build it in mid air, so I will cut the rust off this and rebuild it using the original arch piece and I replace the large flat area. It actually creased the lip...

you can see it in the original pictures. I have to be very careful with the heat. took me a while to tempate the other side and get this perfectly lined up, I got it lined up the 4 try and said screw it, tack it in quick before it shifts again so i didnt have time to scuff the paint on the tacks... i have to recut around the patch, you can see my original placement was off and sucky.  So i will slice again and butt weld it.  Then i cut out the rust and the bottom off and merge into the lower rocker already in place. 

From the driverrocker picture you can see i had  most of the damage pounded out and rust cut out but I later looked and the angle wasnt perfect, the lip was pushed in too much then i remembered i had a spare quarter panel



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Posted 2018-03-11 9:42 PM (#559706 - in reply to #539179)
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Of course the front tack didn't hold, but that magnet is insane, I cant get it off unless I slide it to an edge.

Retrimmed and got it tacked in today... I have to be extremely slow and careful even tacking it in it so thin. Like welding paper

I had to cut it a few times to get it to set perfectly flat since its pulling differently as I tacked all the way around. Pretty annoying.

I started hacking the rust out of the edge and I have to rebuild that piece. Its going to be perfect when its done.



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Posted 2018-03-16 2:02 AM (#559984 - in reply to #539179)
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took forever... cooling every weld. Had to be super careful. seriously this was probably 6 hours getting in.

I still have some more clean up around the edge, get the final patch in front and back and I have to be careful whenever im welding anything here still, constantly cooling.

But my new edge is perfect and original.



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Posted 2018-03-16 10:56 AM (#559997 - in reply to #539179)
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Nicely done. Yes that panel is a bear to weld. It does help if you have the bottom & lip area loose so that you weld those parts in last, but even then, it really wants to warp on you. Since you can't really get to the backside of the panel, going slow is the best you can hope for.
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Posted 2018-03-18 1:31 AM (#560087 - in reply to #539179)
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turned out great,

started the grinding to get it nice and smooth. Ill skim coat it.





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Posted 2018-04-01 11:00 PM (#560919 - in reply to #539179)
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finishing painting underneath and in trunk, put down some sound deadening in trunk.

ran the brake lines...

Pushing hard to get this car back on the frame finally now that winter is starting to ease up... sheesh... once thats done i can get back to antennas... frame and body sitting around is a big headache.




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Posted 2018-04-13 7:51 PM (#561570 - in reply to #539179)
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everything seam sealed up... painted and used this wurth stuff for undercoating...

So its got 3m seam sealer, rust bullet 2 coats, coat of Wurth SKS...

I sealed up any holes or trouble spots so water cant wick up.



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Posted 2018-04-22 12:40 AM (#562051 - in reply to #539179)
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body is back on, 57 chevy mount kit worked well.



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Posted 2018-04-23 11:44 PM (#562167 - in reply to #539179)
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almost in, rain stopped me...





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Posted 2018-04-24 10:03 PM (#562235 - in reply to #539179)
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did some struggling, 2 bandaids... 2.5 hours tonight and got the engine in...

I'm tired of typing Ill just put up videos...

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Posted 2018-04-24 11:02 PM (#562240 - in reply to #539179)
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OH YEAH! Beautiful drivetrain, nice work!
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Posted 2018-04-25 11:04 PM (#562293 - in reply to #539179)
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my rear trans mount is short. Anyone have any experience with this?

I can make an adjustment plate but I will probably need to adjust the driveshaft.





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Posted 2018-04-27 9:52 PM (#562393 - in reply to #539179)
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okay so I cut about 1.5 inches off the front of the transmission brace to get the extra long hemi in.





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Posted 2018-04-27 11:58 PM (#562401 - in reply to #539179)
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Are you sure you don't have the mounts rotated toward the front that would effectively move it backward? Also, are you sure you have the right mounts on the proper sides of the motor? One side is offset, and the other isn't.
You could have swapped to a push button 727. That would give you an extra 4" or so, even with the 1" adapter added, so you might come pretty close to the right spot without cutting anything.

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Posted 2018-04-28 2:14 AM (#562406 - in reply to #539179)
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yeah I quadruple checked and quadruple checked again, the hemi with its trans is just a bit longer. I put the mounts on at maximum forward to get the engine as far forward as possible.

I don't have to worry about space up front since im running an electric fan.

I have the trans off the 325 dodge(its shorter, not sure where it ends up) but I wanted the extra umph from the hemi trans.
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Posted 2018-04-28 9:33 PM (#562453 - in reply to #539179)
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quadruple checked again, the passenger mount was "binding" and wasn't allowing the engine to go through 100 straight. The back was turned a bit toward the drivers side.

I removed the straight mount on the passenger side and utilized the offset dodge mount and set it max forward, rotated it 90 degrees.

this allowed the mount to sit perfect, moving the passenger side forward and now the engine sits great, centered perfect.

I read a thread where they "flip" the mount on a dodge without cutting it, maybe that was a shorter hemi(the Desoto hemi). But I wanted max clearance, if I flipped it the trans mount(I tried) and it would not have worked, I would have had to use custom mounts to force the engine into the firewall with zero room. Flipping the mount would have been a nightmare.

making a small cut worked out.
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Posted 2018-05-06 1:09 AM (#562862 - in reply to #539179)
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been taking some quick videos of mounting the car also. this is about body mounts

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Also restored the master brakes bellows.





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Posted 2018-05-06 10:11 AM (#562872 - in reply to #539179)
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You said the engine is "centered", Chrysler designed the engines to be offset about 1 1/2" to the right for better alignment of the driveshaft. If you measure the 3rd member you will see it is not "centered" in the chassis but offset to the right as well.
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Posted 2018-05-06 9:31 PM (#562895 - in reply to #539179)
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I mean 'centered" where its supposed to be yes though it is offset a bit, I used the original hole alignment.

I couldn't move the fricking car and I didn't have a puller so I plasma cut the drum outer ring off. I am going with power brakes I am pretty sure.

I saw the conversion thread. I will still have to get this off but now I can move the car. I am now pushing to get the bodywork done and get it primed/painted.





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Posted 2018-05-08 6:26 AM (#562969 - in reply to #539179)
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finishing up the welding on the body, just the lower quarters now then sand it down and skim coat, priner, pant



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Posted 2018-05-08 9:48 PM (#563001 - in reply to #539179)
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passenger side in, have to finish welding in and start grinding.

Drivers side patch is bigger.



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Posted 2018-05-11 7:05 PM (#563191 - in reply to #539179)
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another tank of gas down, other side is in...





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Posted 2018-05-14 9:31 AM (#563336 - in reply to #539179)
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okay Willow Green it is!



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Posted 2018-05-14 1:42 PM (#563353 - in reply to #539179)
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The shade of green you have there has a little too much olive to it, but it is going to look really good that way. I have decided to paint my '58 New Yorker the same color with either a white or dark green roof.



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Posted 2018-05-14 5:56 PM (#563385 - in reply to #539179)
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yeah I grabbed it a bit dark when I sampled.

probably more like this...





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Powerflite - 2018-05-14 1:42 PM

The shade of green you have there has a little too much olive to it, but it is going to look really good that way. I have decided to paint my '58 New Yorker the same color with either a white or dark green roof.


GREAT choice!
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Where does "Willow" Green come from? The 1957 Dodge light green was "Misty". (EDITED from "Minty" - my bad )



I think this one was called "Penderie" green:



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Posted 2018-05-14 11:25 PM (#563409 - in reply to #539179)
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its pretty similar to the mint greens, off the 58 Desoto.

I actually like the 56 Dodge mint I think about the same.

there were so many mint colors, nice subtle shade, i think every manufacturer had one.






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Posted 2018-05-15 1:13 PM (#563438 - in reply to #539179)
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If you are considering green, this is what your car would look like with the Forest Green/Misty Green combo. That is how mine came, so I had it repainted those colors just last year.

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Posted 2018-05-15 1:45 PM (#563444 - in reply to #539179)
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that's very cool but I'm already onto the white base, Got the firewall done and bought the paint.

That might be to "minty", that is cool though
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Posted 2018-05-15 9:52 PM (#563483 - in reply to #539179)
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I can't believe that "Misty Green" isn't your favorite color; that color shouts 1950s! But here is what green/white would look like then. I couldn't find a Coronet, so a Custom Royal will have to do.

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Posted 2018-05-15 10:41 PM (#563485 - in reply to #539179)
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i like the light "top" color and lower dark.

Also i want a less jarring 2nd tone. White and mint/willow green it is. I'm hunting for the willow/mint now.
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Posted 2018-05-16 9:41 AM (#563503 - in reply to #563485)
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Since your car is far from stock, what about a mint color with a little white, silver, or green pearl in it? Just thinking out loud.



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Posted 2018-05-16 7:40 PM (#563540 - in reply to #539179)
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That would look good if you also put pearl in the white. Otherwise, it would be weird to have a solid white with pearl green.
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Posted 2018-05-16 9:47 PM (#563546 - in reply to #539179)
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I already bought the white. so yeah I probably wont go pearl. It would be nice to pearl the whole car.

Pearl painting is more cumbersome also any gnats or dirt nibs cause problems, you cant just buff out and refill pearl paint, you need a pro booth for that. I will shoot this sucker in my garage.

I will sand and buff the paint out.
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Posted 2018-05-18 11:53 PM (#563630 - in reply to #539179)
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okay got some holes in the back that need fixing, not bad though, I think every car I worked on was always obliterated here. GM cars... all rotted...





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Posted 2018-05-29 1:37 AM (#564148 - in reply to #539179)
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this was from back when I was working the lower quarter, i actually redid the pass side, didnt like it at all.  My lower quarter panel lip was still good and i tried to butt weld it but to much mess... I flanged and spot, roll it under the trunk drop and spot there also, nice and super clean.



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Posted 2018-06-03 2:12 AM (#564443 - in reply to #539179)
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all done, used the big buffer sanding pad to get all the rust off the roof and rust bulleted.

Now itll get paint also. then spray on sound proofing. Lizardskin.





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test fit fenders to make sure rocker front edge was on the money. They were. Welded up front edge of rockers...



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Posted 2018-06-05 1:15 AM (#564568 - in reply to #539179)
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It's moving along pretty fast now. I don't relish that clean-up job on the inside of the roof. I need to do that too and am avoiding it.
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Posted 2018-06-08 12:19 AM (#564780 - in reply to #539179)
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Posted 2018-06-08 7:47 PM (#564849 - in reply to #539179)
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painting interior pieces now to get them together and out of the way.

true blue turqoise... 



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Posted 2018-06-09 11:25 PM (#564918 - in reply to #539179)
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quarter stripped... not bad.



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Posted 2018-06-14 4:51 PM (#565151 - in reply to #539179)
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This is my "Secondary" interior color. 

The "ultra" carpet from ACC is great, I want to put it in my house, comes with a nice thick backer already glued in. Seriously nice and 190$ shipped.

I will see how it goes against the willow green, if i like a more mint blue or the misty green i will go there, i dont want baby blue though.



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Posted 2018-07-10 11:27 PM (#566446 - in reply to #539179)
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getting the steering wheel patched up, then will paint it. Wasn't to bad to start.

I use jb weld, put it on sloppy then come back 4-5 hours and mold it so I don't have to put on a second application, I make mounds above the valleys.





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Posted 2018-07-22 2:06 AM (#566989 - in reply to #539179)
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skim coated quarters, finishing sanding of body and steering wheel done... uhg.

Spent 3 hours repairing my straight edge air sander... that sucked thought it was a goner.. saved it.





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Posted 2018-07-22 9:51 PM (#567036 - in reply to #539179)
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finished finally!





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Posted 2018-07-22 10:32 PM (#567039 - in reply to #539179)
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That stool looks much better than when you started! Just kidding. Good job. I like the color you chose. It's good to have a nice wheel to hang onto because it sits right in front of you. I am thinking of painting the grooves in the horn ring black and the top of it a clear just to reduce the reflection off of it into my eyes. Funny the things you find out once you start driving it.

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Posted 2018-07-23 2:49 PM (#567078 - in reply to #539179)
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i sometimes think its a little to shocking but it will be toned with white and chrome, darker blue
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Posted 2018-07-23 6:24 PM (#567096 - in reply to #567078)
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I wouldn't 'tone it down' at all! I think once it's in the shade of the interior of the car it will look great. Nice work.
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Posted 2018-07-24 10:03 AM (#567129 - in reply to #539179)
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yeah I am seeing it in the sun all the time and bright flash...

I think its pretty similar to the factory just I see and am like wow that's turquoise...

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Posted 2018-07-24 2:21 PM (#567142 - in reply to #539179)
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The 50s were all flash, I wish there was more color on the road today. Seems like every care is silver or white. Be bold.
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Posted 2018-07-28 10:09 PM (#567355 - in reply to #539179)
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okay, all Dodge "ash trays" are scratched Dodge was like, what? you cant see it!

I might touch this up and put at "scuff pad" but it cant be very thick or it forces the ashtray into the roof.

Fairly ingenious... the bottom "scrapers" lift the ashtray just enough so it doesnt scratch the top and lets it "settle" back down between them so it doesnt spin free or rattle? I can see it does move slightly.

I spun it a couple times and was like uhg... I have to clean the emblem a bit and I need to check the other one i have, most of these are all pitted.

you can see the bottom and the top, i thought I was missing a bushing or washer up top but im not, gravity does the job as long as the ash tray can move up and down a millimeter on the aluminum rod in the middle. Im considering putting a rubber bushing up top to make sure its tight. that will result in more scratches but it should be good.





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Posted 2018-08-18 11:41 PM (#568621 - in reply to #539179)
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primed the hemi!... its on now yo

spent 5 hours researching how to correctly prime a hemi its all good, both heads are flowing oil.

Primer is going on the body... final finishing and sanding... Im going to test fit the doors/fenders to check body gaps...

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Posted 2018-08-30 9:56 AM (#569253 - in reply to #539179)
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took apart another set of doors, I don't have the time to weld up the other set I have, ill just have this set blasted.

I recorded so I can quickly reassemble

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Posted 2018-08-31 5:35 PM (#569330 - in reply to #539179)
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First coat of epoxy primer!




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Posted 2018-09-01 12:29 PM (#569366 - in reply to #539179)
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other side... back to sanding for another couple coats... uhg…




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Posted 2018-09-13 2:08 AM (#570038 - in reply to #539179)
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Saw one of these today, nice color Bohai Bay Mint.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J63iad2Vbe8

I guess i was thinking the 1960 Willow Green, came on the Dodge also that year.



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Posted 2018-09-14 1:38 PM (#570095 - in reply to #539179)
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Great pictorial....of all the things I should be doing....keep it going...
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Posted 2018-09-14 11:28 PM (#570123 - in reply to #539179)
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forgot to weld the antenna up... duh... need to get passenger side view mirror holes cut also.





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Posted 2018-09-16 1:21 AM (#570176 - in reply to #539179)
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couple of coats of evercoat featherfill g2... gotta get it perfect straight

 

pushing hard to get the car painted in the next 3 weeks... work is crushing me



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Posted 2018-09-17 1:28 AM (#570230 - in reply to #539179)
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block sanding trunk... I swear every one of these cars has like 10 dings on every panel... I know its a long time to sit and people drop stuff but darn... Doing light feather putty on the ones a little to deep and then another round of Featherfill and then guide coat and sand completely again... This trunk started out black...

The factory stamping "warped" around the license plate hole sucks also...  Fixing that.



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Posted 2018-09-19 8:48 PM (#570417 - in reply to #539179)
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son of a … this is a lot of work test fitting body gaps now... final fitment





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Posted 2018-09-20 7:57 AM (#570438 - in reply to #539179)
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Ya going good Mike, 16 months into it and you've come a long way, she's going to be a beauty!. Keep the pics coming.

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Posted 2018-09-28 10:28 PM (#570887 - in reply to #539179)
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finally painting begins... uhg… tomorrow I hope to get door and window jams ready and done...





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Posted 2018-09-30 11:24 PM (#570990 - in reply to #539179)
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seal primer on jams and fronts of door hood/trunk...

need to finish quarters/rockers and roof, sanded fins.



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Posted 2018-09-30 11:27 PM (#570991 - in reply to #539179)
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better matching of color.





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Posted 2018-10-04 1:09 PM (#571140 - in reply to #539179)
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ordered the paint... No ONE had anything like it. This is a one year color... Its essentially the mint green for only 1960.





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Posted 2018-10-07 10:12 PM (#571304 - in reply to #539179)
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another 3 coats of primer... I will sand it off again...





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Posted 2018-10-10 8:11 PM (#571464 - in reply to #539179)
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we have paint... the weird weather let me just get the roof and jam areas done where I can build the car over the winter...

I can get the window seals in now and trunk lid on... 80 degrees in ohio on 10/10 was amazing lucky (hit record high yesterday, 2 degrees miss today).

The roof looks great so far, i had a few dents i knocked out of it so i was a bit worried, i put a single coat of white on it to wet test it. I shot all the door jams and front cowl.

The roof will get the mint green in the spring unless i change my mind but I just bought the paint.

It may be one final day and I can get the tops of the doors shot and the the trunk done. I rolled it in between the drizzle It rained and i quickly moved it inside.




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Posted 2018-10-12 5:57 PM (#571579 - in reply to #539179)
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Going to start putting the door jam hardware in, I got the rear trunk seal on. I got the ebay one but it looks okay.

I will be putting the wiring in also sooner than later. Its a new modern muscle car harness with 21 fuses.
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Posted 2018-10-13 8:03 PM (#571638 - in reply to #539179)
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Mike, keep the reporting on your progress with your Dodge, I am following it as it will help me on my 57 Dodge!

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Posted 2018-10-14 10:35 AM (#571666 - in reply to #539179)
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Tearing out dash to get it sandblasted... and my emblem haul as of late...


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Posted 2018-10-16 9:03 PM (#571820 - in reply to #539179)
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thanks, looks like all I can do is get it running and driving over the winter I didn't make the full paint.

I got my 60 Chrysler mint in the mail, had to order it from TCP(restoration shop single stage eurethane). looks to be just a tad dark but that's fine.





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Posted 2018-10-21 9:42 PM (#572139 - in reply to #539179)
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bought some "potential" seats from a 2004 Cadillac Deville.

Over the winter I will decide. I had to grab these before someone else did, I got the fronts, backs, console and seat belts for 160$ out the door...

Power leather even heated seats. They have the computer attached. and the console has a fan in the back for the passengers... cant be strong though...

Oh and they have cigarette lighter plug ins at the bottom also. I can easily sell them for more than I paid if i dont use them.

I am thinking turquoise around the outside, blue/pattern in the centers.  When the console is set correctly is almost looks like a bench seat.  I will bump up the cushion a bit also, although these are pretty comfortable already.

So I get safety, comfort and functionality while giving up originality.  I can actually use lap belts, head rests also in the back seat and comfort if I put them in.



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Posted 2018-10-23 2:12 PM (#572225 - in reply to #539179)
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Posted 2018-11-02 2:32 PM (#572801 - in reply to #539179)
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okay consolidating projects... I think its going to be a 57/58 regal lancer... Willow Green on White... or White on Willow Green...

I will keep the 57 front end I guess? You can swap at will.

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Posted 2018-11-02 2:43 PM (#572802 - in reply to #539179)
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Posted 2018-11-02 2:50 PM (#572803 - in reply to #539179)
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Just a little rot going on there If you have a Regal Lancer, it would be better to keep the trim with the car. But a willow green Regal does look pretty good. One thing I don't like about the Regal is the hooded headlight chrome from the '58 Windsor. I think it looks a lot better with the standard Dodge trim. I recently found out that the headlight bezels could have been painted body color as a springs special option. That's pretty cool, and I am going to do that with mine. I have always preferred the '58 grille too, but lately, the '57 is really growing on me.
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Posted 2018-11-02 3:08 PM (#572806 - in reply to #572803)
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Posted 2018-11-02 3:18 PM (#572808 - in reply to #539179)
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Im thinking I like option 2 better...

I dont have a regal lancer,  just the trim.

This would be a clone



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Posted 2018-11-02 4:37 PM (#572815 - in reply to #572808)
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If you don't use the Regal Lancer trim ( I hope you do) I would love to be the new owner of it! If you were thinking of selling it of course...

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Posted 2018-11-02 4:44 PM (#572816 - in reply to #539179)
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hah dude its take a lot of money and time to get a complete set of regal lancer trim You couldn't imagine

I picked up the last NOS pieces off Len Dawson. I think he has one quarter panel and one fender piece left.

 

I think this is it, 60 Willow Green on White, turquise interior.



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Posted 2019-01-16 1:03 PM (#576875 - in reply to #539179)
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I bought a willow green desoto to check the color, looks pretty good.

I got the paint from TCP, single stage eurethane. I will see how it goes. I am really thinking willow green and black, but I already have the white put down... uhg…

Im moving the 58 Plymouth to have some room to work so i completely rewire the car with a modern harness.







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Posted 2019-01-17 7:46 AM (#576917 - in reply to #539179)
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Go Mike Go!

Cant wait to see your Dodge car get a color. I recon the black looks better, just seems to make the car and the green jump out!


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Posted 2019-02-04 11:07 AM (#577821 - in reply to #539179)
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I will probably paint it white, then next year paint it black
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Posted 2019-02-11 12:35 PM (#578075 - in reply to #539179)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxZ3BtSAGek

Just did a short video on my Hemi
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Posted 2019-02-12 8:18 PM (#578123 - in reply to #539179)
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Picked up a set of vintiques smoothie rims at summit clearance... I tried to figure out a reason not to buy them... but bolt pattern, paint perfect, offset, 6 inches wide... 100$ uhg I can use them to store the cars with later if I switch...

And picked up an alternator off a 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee to experiment with. It is a 3 wire so it will work. Externally regulated, 160 amp, internal fan...

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Posted 2019-02-13 7:12 PM (#578180 - in reply to #539179)
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Rofl now that I have nearly all the 59 front end parts... Voila... the worlds only soon to be "57", "58" and "59" Dodge Regal Lancer...

I might as well paint the 59 parts and have them ready. I can get the 59 bumper chromed later. I already have the 57 and 58 front end ready to go.

I will need to swap over the trim though on the 59.



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Posted 2019-02-15 11:01 PM (#578274 - in reply to #539179)
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Regal Lancer trim collection complete! hah... wow that took a while...





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Posted 2019-02-22 9:55 PM (#578534 - in reply to #539179)
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let the 59 Grill collecting commence!

I think im going to have them chrome painted...





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Posted 2019-03-21 1:50 PM (#579669 - in reply to #539179)
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got some inner seat material...





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Posted 2019-03-24 7:28 PM (#579845 - in reply to #539179)
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outer seat is marine vinyl turqouise... brand new batch stinks, had to air it out...







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Posted 2019-04-17 8:14 PM (#581051 - in reply to #539179)
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welder up the door trim holes, im going to double sided tape the regal lancer trim on, no more leaks!





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Posted 2019-04-17 8:36 PM (#581055 - in reply to #539179)
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Now you'll just have irreplaceable trim fall off in the heat & wind.
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Posted 2019-04-17 8:48 PM (#581057 - in reply to #539179)
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hah yeah i might drill some small holes... well see... i am painting backs of doors and under the hood tomorrow! testing willow green...

I will make sure they are secure, a full length 3m double sided tape 1/2 wide would be hell to remove i think.

Ive scrapped the idea of using a EFI carb setup... just to many issues.

Ill get a holley 4 barrell.



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Posted 2019-04-18 5:45 PM (#581113 - in reply to #539179)
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scuffed and repainted back of doors and hood... im seriously looking at some black... maybe 3 tone... black white and willow green...





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Posted 2019-05-04 11:55 PM (#581789 - in reply to #539179)
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Posted 2019-05-10 12:56 AM (#581988 - in reply to #539179)
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welded up all the trim holes... I may 3m double sided the regal lancer trim... maybe...





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Posted 2019-05-20 1:35 AM (#582305 - in reply to #539179)
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reshot the fender liners, wanted them with a bit of shine, the rust protection didnt really shine...





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Posted 2019-05-20 7:24 AM (#582308 - in reply to #581988)
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mikes2nd - 2019-05-10 12:56 AM

welded up all the trim holes... I may 3m double sided the regal lancer trim... maybe...



Maybe not a bad idea, as the trim holes is usually where it starts to rust. But I would make at least one bolted connection, just to be sure. Nice project btw, I always thought the Regal Lancer is one of the best looking cars ever build. It must have been "fun" to source all the trim for this project!
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Posted 2019-05-20 8:59 AM (#582313 - in reply to #539179)
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I am drilling holes for the end pieces. It was a royal pita finding this stuff. I got lucky honestly and found the ends. They weren't cheap of course. I will be making two front fender pieces out of normal trim, a 57 quarter panel just happens to be a upper regal lancer fender piece since it is curved.
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Posted 2019-05-20 8:00 PM (#582338 - in reply to #539179)
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painted door jams and firewall...



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Posted 2019-05-20 8:51 PM (#582345 - in reply to #539179)
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That's the way I like to paint them too. Remove doors and paint entire jams, firewall, cowl, maybe floor at the same time. I didn't do it this way on my black '57, and now I regret it because it makes for more work later.
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Posted 2019-05-21 7:49 AM (#582357 - in reply to #582338)
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painted door jams and firewall...


That is a nice color! Are you building a Regal Lancer in seafoam green?! That is awesome.
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Posted 2019-05-21 10:53 AM (#582366 - in reply to #539179)
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yeah hah 3 tone.. i think 3 tones are too much but im doing it for now, I can always reshoot the roof/trunk black if i absolutely hate it i guess.

black stripe/willow green regal with white roof/trunk

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Posted 2019-05-25 5:00 PM (#582518 - in reply to #539179)
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reshot the fenders with featherfill... ill wet sand and wetcheck again



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Posted 2019-05-25 11:54 PM (#582523 - in reply to #539179)
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rofl thrilling FWL Cowl sealing!

https://youtu.be/wUq_sy-dxFE

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Posted 2019-05-29 6:33 PM (#582666 - in reply to #539179)
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painted doors, gonna have to wet sand and buff...



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Posted 2019-05-29 7:26 PM (#582675 - in reply to #582523)
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rofl thrilling FWL Cowl sealing!

https://youtu.be/wUq_sy-dxFE



After I heard you saying that you remove the OE wiring, I removed my thumbs up
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Posted 2019-05-29 8:01 PM (#582677 - in reply to #539179)
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dude its a nightmare, they are cut and hacked i would like to leave the old stuff in but they are so trashed
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Posted 2019-05-30 10:35 PM (#582726 - in reply to #539179)
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im upgrading to variable speed wiper motor... i did another thrilling video.

im worried about the bracket, the parts list shows a "different mount"...





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Posted 2019-06-03 2:18 PM (#582874 - in reply to #539179)
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Posted 2019-06-05 1:19 AM (#582945 - in reply to #539179)
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got exhaust manifolds on and the fender wells. All nice an rustproofed underneath, painted on top.





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Posted 2019-06-05 1:25 AM (#582946 - in reply to #539179)
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Looks good in there. Which gold paint did you use?
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Posted 2019-06-08 12:46 AM (#583101 - in reply to #539179)
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vht high temp flake gold. I might have them powercoated though for toughness.


Got adjustable "washer nozzles"... I think ill have it chromed. Wouldnt look good black...







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Posted 2019-06-10 1:38 AM (#583188 - in reply to #539179)
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Hood is painted, I will cut and buff when i'm ready to reassemble, i will put the painted parts safely away until they are nice and dry.

I put up a temporary paint booth in the driveway. its too windy and im under trees in the driveway.

5 coats of TCP restoration shop on each piece, a few small runs, but they will look perfect when done, like a mirror. I picked up a washer bottle out of a caddy, its the solid type and ordered a remote pump. I guess I could put the switch on the floor like original.

I have to call the guy about Chroming the washer nozzle and im going to be molding some Regal lancer emblems and have everything painted in gold chrome(front rear dodge. and side regal emblems). I will make 2 sets(for the 57/58 fenders and the 59 Fenders(havent gotten those yet). I will paint the 59 parts I have now. I really think im not going to like the 3 tone white roof. Im itching to just paint it black or all green...



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Posted 2019-06-10 2:45 AM (#583189 - in reply to #539179)
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The hood looks nice. I agree, green and black or green and white would look good. Three colors wouldn't look as good.
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Posted 2019-06-16 11:23 PM (#583547 - in reply to #539179)
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buttoning up the hemi while it rains all darn week...(put water cross overs on etc, and put in some stainless nuts/bolts)
and put in the high low headlight switch. Got an insane Flaming River Alternator... stupid high 240 amp alternator which will have tons of amps... but hey.

I picked up a 1985 Cadillac Washer bottle i am going to paint "Jiffy Jet" themed...yes its fake and pretend...

hope to paint next week(Fenders/Trunk/roof)/






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Posted 2019-06-17 2:05 AM (#583557 - in reply to #539179)
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How are you going to mount the power steering pump without the original water pump? Going to make a custom bracket or go with a different pump? The box uses a low pressure pump, but I believe you can get a matching pressure pump from a rack & pinion car.
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Posted 2019-06-17 9:56 AM (#583561 - in reply to #583557)
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Mike, the Dodge is really starting to look exceptional. I have no issue with a tri-tone though; sure looked good on the '55-56 Mopars and I don't see why the '57 would be any different. Might give it a shot, and if you don't like it, shoot the roof black
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Posted 2019-06-17 11:48 AM (#583573 - in reply to #539179)
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Ill see how the tri tone looks when done, i usually think they are too busy but its the roof and trunk so you cant really see the third tone i guess.

I will be using the original power steering pump, that big flat plate will be the mounting and pivot point for the factory pump.

The alternator also will use a custom bracket, and will sit in front of the head a bit. Im going to lowes to get my plastic yellow paint for my washer bottle. Maybe ill make it the grey type so it wont stand out so much.
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Posted 2019-06-26 9:48 PM (#584114 - in reply to #539179)
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rain stopped, test fitting the doors and fenders...

i also welded up the top Dodge fin top trim holes... those were a horrible idea Chrysler.. even with dum dum im sure it leaked.

Dodge quarter panels had to leak like a sieve..



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Posted 2019-06-27 9:12 AM (#584120 - in reply to #584114)
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rain stopped, test fitting the doors and fenders...

i also welded up the top Dodge fin top trim holes... those were a horrible idea Chrysler.. even with dum dum im sure it leaked.

Dodge quarter panels had to leak like a sieve..


They were not meant to be water tight. Look at the gap between window and side panel. 99% of water enters there.
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Posted 2019-06-27 10:11 AM (#584125 - in reply to #539179)
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the trunk/quarters were not supposed to get water though, i understand the window area drains(as long as dirt doesnt clog the drain area).

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Posted 2019-06-30 10:35 PM (#584272 - in reply to #539179)
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spent hours upon hours to get the door gaps perfect... uhg...

I could slightly push the top back just a couple thousands... I got it this close and was like finally.

This job is a fight. These doors didnt come from this car and I welded new rockers.  I learned you should do this before you paint the doors

You should have everything aligned and marked/pinned. I knew it, just didnt do it

 



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Posted 2019-07-01 1:01 AM (#584276 - in reply to #539179)
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by the way holy hell is door gap horrible on 50's cars.. Went to a car show, the Chevys i can put my hand in those door gaps.

I saw one 57 on barret jackson the darn trunk had a half inch gap! still sold for 52k!
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Posted 2019-07-01 8:04 AM (#584283 - in reply to #539179)
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You should have seen my 60, early production, 1rst year for unibody! Unfortunately for some reason, when I was a teenager, I wanted to put it back together just like it came from the factory. Over the years I have been slowly removing my mistakes, still do. Of course this is lots of work after painting, as most parts just don't fit without modification.
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Posted 2019-07-01 1:20 PM (#584289 - in reply to #539179)
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Don't sweat it too much, Mike. It's going to look great.

When I found it, my Chrysler had huge gaps at the bottoms of the doors - about 5/8" on the drivers side with the door shut, and 1/2" on the pass side.
And the wear marks, door/quarter glass alignment, and weatherstrip indicated it had pretty much always been that way. Crazy!

I worked it over HARD to get them to line up better, but even with a lot of massaging to get them close, there is still a noticeable (to me!) gap at the
bottom of each door. I spent hours carefully slotting the door hinge holes and striker holes to allow for extra adjustment range, and slightly reshaped
the upper edge of both strikers to allow the doors to properly latch when the door was in position. I stopped adjusting when it became apparent there
was a mismatch in the contour of the quarter panel to the contour of the door skin itself. I aligned the doors so the trim lines up straight and
everything else around it is kinda wonky - but it's not going to get any better without significant cutting and welding.

The car gets compliments on how "straight" it is, so it's pretty close. If I was going to build the car for display under bright lights it would be worth it to
go that extra (hundred) miles to get perfect paint stick gaps.... but this is a real car. Fortunately the car is black, so uneven gaps aren't as
noticeable on it as on, say, a light pastel color...

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Posted 2019-07-01 10:47 PM (#584322 - in reply to #539179)
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other side perfect now, had to shim the front hinges at the firewall. test fitting fenders to make sure the rockers are good. I will also put the fenders on to guide coat the lower fenders(they twist on) so you cant get a good idea off the car that they are "flat" or not. Ill wet check them also.



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Posted 2019-07-05 5:08 PM (#584468 - in reply to #539179)
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Posted 2019-07-11 9:30 PM (#584723 - in reply to #539179)
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heater clean up...

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Posted 2019-07-12 3:14 PM (#584740 - in reply to #539179)
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That is odd. Never seen that before.

Edit: Actually, that is right side up. You're just looking at it wrong.

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Posted 2019-07-12 11:47 PM (#584747 - in reply to #584740)
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I've seen an number of them upside down especially the A/C ones.

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Posted 2019-07-13 1:12 AM (#584752 - in reply to #539179)
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wait left hand drive? I am repairing this one a bit, its nice except it had a crack in the front. I bet these have asbestos in them?



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Posted 2019-07-15 12:26 AM (#584843 - in reply to #539179)
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Wet checking fenders before i paint... and the booth is up again...

This is the temporary booth i put up to paint the smaller things.



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Posted 2019-07-16 12:32 AM (#584878 - in reply to #539179)
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fender painted



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Posted 2019-07-16 4:56 PM (#584895 - in reply to #539179)
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How do you install and align it without chipping the paint? I want to paint my fenders off the car as well, because it's easier to paint, but I am worried about installation.
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Posted 2019-07-18 8:17 PM (#584976 - in reply to #539179)
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I use a lot of tape, the yellow 3m stuff. Ill put a lot down at the bottom and all the edges.

Getting ready to paint the other fender and other bits and pieces. I have to paint the 57 and 58 stuff, I have some 59 stuff to paint but havent got the fenders yet.

I'm going to color match the valence and headlight surrounds I think and obviously hood hinges.



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Posted 2019-07-18 9:12 PM (#584978 - in reply to #539179)
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better final pic of what it will look like. Im painting the headlight surrounds and the lower valence to match.



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Posted 2019-07-21 12:22 AM (#585042 - in reply to #539179)
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it so hot i cant paint so back to the engine bay... playing with fitment of power steering and alternator...





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Posted 2019-07-24 1:30 AM (#585159 - in reply to #539179)
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other fender done and one side of hood hinges/front headlight covers...
Also painted underneath trunk lid.

Im going for only a white roof...



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Posted 2019-07-29 3:25 AM (#585351 - in reply to #539179)
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Pulleys done pretty much, and brass nuts on the valve covers... ack... I left room for AC if I want to down the road but it will be kind of up top.

 

This alternator is a beast...  its a GM version though, when i had it tested, the guy at the store didnt think they made alternators that put out 240 amps..

https://www.jegs.com/i/Flaming-River/898/FR1171/10002/-1

 

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Posted 2019-07-29 2:24 PM (#585363 - in reply to #585351)
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Posted 2019-07-29 9:41 PM (#585376 - in reply to #539179)
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hood springs painted...





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Posted 2019-08-06 1:03 AM (#585681 - in reply to #539179)
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trunk painted! holy crap im going to actually have the body done soon... had to order another gallon of paint.




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Posted 2019-08-06 3:02 AM (#585686 - in reply to #539179)
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Really enjoyed this thread. I have a 57 Custom Royal with original hemi and it came with 58 trim in place of 57 CRL trim. Like you I kept changing my mind on color, original equipment and trim or add factory options like PS and brakes. Use the nice 58 trim or find 57 replacements?

So, I now have both 57 and 58 trim (57 cost almost what I paid for the car and took several years to find it all..). Have PS and PB complete original setups (car was manual steering and brakes). A spare dash, several different PS pumps, Got a 57 Firesweep that has a good spare 325 poly block, an air cooled unmolested transmission, complete good frame, much better right side fender (same except lower front section), a couple different later liquid cooled cast iron torqueflights, a 62? aluminum torqueflight, and more. Plus many Ebay buys (gold hood letters, D500 trunk medallions, numerous door latches, gauges, front bumpers and teeth, etc.

Interesting that 57 Chev body mounts will work. I had bought a couple Dodge front floor pan years ago, but didn't think they were good enough to use, so have since bought a bead roller and sheet metal brake to make my own if I dont find something better. Recently did front floors in a 59 TBird and didn't like those reproductions either, so made my own from 18 gauge. The Dodge floor pans are more complex though..

Where did you get your floor pans from?

Thanks, Mike

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Posted 2019-08-06 6:49 AM (#585693 - in reply to #539179)
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Real steel Replacements make a good floor pan. https://b-m.facebook.com/RealSteelReplacments/



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Posted 2019-08-06 12:22 PM (#585716 - in reply to #539179)
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i got mine from the guy in Georgia, they are nice and thick, and they are rounded on the edges instead of flat. So more solid.

Not sure the guy still makes them, he is retired but they were 400$ His name is Bob, if you want a set send me an PM and Ill send you his email.



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Posted 2019-08-06 12:32 PM (#585717 - in reply to #539179)
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Thanks, Had not heard of them before and dont use Facebook, but sent an email to them requesting info. Haven't been on the site much due to other issues since back when Neil was the most prolific poster and bought a bunch of motor parts from him. These floor and trunk pans look like pretty good and would save me a lot of time fabricating parts.

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Posted 2019-08-06 12:47 PM (#585718 - in reply to #539179)
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PM sent.. Do you happen to have a kit number or listing description for the 57 Chev body mounts as well?

Thanks, Mike
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Posted 2019-08-06 2:48 PM (#585723 - in reply to #539179)
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Here is the one i bought.

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_id=114&ipn=i...

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Posted 2019-08-06 11:51 PM (#585737 - in reply to #539179)
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firewall "flapper" 58 "no engine bay fumes" fumes version....

its on a piece of stainless steel with two holes drilled. Vans sells the flappers...



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Posted 2019-08-08 9:59 PM (#585815 - in reply to #539179)
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working on sound proofing... and still figuring out how the whole dash goes together. Starting looking at how to map the wiring to my wiring harness.





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Posted 2019-08-20 9:37 PM (#586309 - in reply to #539179)
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put the plugs in the hemi, chagned the oil filter adapter, started roughing in the quarter panels for final..

this was the first sanding pass. wet checked.



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Posted 2019-08-24 8:10 PM (#586522 - in reply to #539179)
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getting quarter panels finalized



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Posted 2019-08-30 4:50 PM (#586797 - in reply to #539179)
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painted fins... getting real close...





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Posted 2019-08-30 6:14 PM (#586805 - in reply to #539179)
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Really nice. Is the bottom going to be white?
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Posted 2019-08-30 6:22 PM (#586806 - in reply to #539179)
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no all one color, its gonna be a 57 regal lancer and a 59 :)  only the roof will be white this year... if i dont like it ill paint the roof green next year

i will be wrapping the fins and the regal trim in black.  carbon fiber?  copper?  iridescent black/green?

 i am ordering samples now. i ordered this.  You can change the fin/trim color.  I can also wrap the roof if i want.



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Posted 2019-09-02 7:51 PM (#586949 - in reply to #539179)
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painting in the driveway for Dummies...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJuMyAS7tZA

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Posted 2019-09-09 9:09 AM (#587293 - in reply to #539179)
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The eastwood paint sucks compared to the TCP. Left the gun with the same settings. This stuff shoots like glue but it will buff out to perfection im sure.

Dries fast but ididnt flow. 4 coats of white on the roof. It will probably get wrapped though.

The black and green flip flop wrap is awesome, turns emerald green metallic in the sun, black otherwise. Ill do a video on the wrap samples.

 

 

 



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Posted 2019-09-10 12:34 AM (#587322 - in reply to #539179)
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test fitting again!!!



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Posted 2019-09-17 12:54 AM (#587636 - in reply to #539179)
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Checking out wrap colors

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Posted 2019-09-26 12:25 PM (#587976 - in reply to #539179)
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bought some temp tires

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Posted 2019-10-01 8:54 PM (#588281 - in reply to #539179)
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one more final featherfill paint coat





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Posted 2019-10-07 1:40 AM (#588503 - in reply to #539179)
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reshot the passenger fin... now its just quarters and rockers left... thursday is my last day to shoot i think.. Ill get them both done then I hope, but I can assemble the car now over fall/winter i guess. Need to have the 59 parts sandblasted and epoxy primered.

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Posted 2019-10-09 9:10 PM (#588638 - in reply to #539179)
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one final side to paint... uhg





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Posted 2019-10-09 9:49 PM (#588641 - in reply to #585376)
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Hood springs painted...


Looks good.

a) Did you stretch them to paint them?
b) How?
c) How did you get them back on?

(I want to paint my 56 Dodge Springs (red))

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Posted 2019-10-10 4:34 AM (#588651 - in reply to #539179)
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you forgot this thread? yes, i used a floor jack, just pushed them on with a small pry bar
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Posted 2019-10-10 10:57 AM (#588655 - in reply to #588651)
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you forgot this thread? yes, i used a floor jack, just pushed them on with a small pry bar


Sorry, I just didn't remember that it was you that used the floor jack. Must find my spare set of springs and give it a go with my jack. Thanks.

(Not sure about getting them on by prying)

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Posted 2019-10-10 11:33 AM (#588657 - in reply to #539179)
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I haven't noticed any difference in how it looks if you paint them sprung or unsprung, so I wouldn't put too much effort into it.
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Posted 2019-10-11 7:37 AM (#588676 - in reply to #539179)
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its doesn't show much... but you want them fully coated. when i pried them on, i used a rubber coated bar. You cant stop the springs from chipping off where they contact the hinge though unless you rubber coat or so something. maybe plastidip them? or put rubber slip ons over the hook end? that would be a nice mod I was able to use the cheap harbor freight jack since it had a bolt right there.

today is my last day to paint it looks like 75 degrees in ohio... wish me luck.
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Posted 2019-10-17 2:49 AM (#588939 - in reply to #539179)
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I think i may need to reshoot the drivers side, i see a imperfection i dont like...

Passenger side came out great.





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Posted 2019-10-28 9:59 PM (#589452 - in reply to #539179)
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hah finally rims all the way around...





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Posted 2019-10-28 11:43 PM (#589455 - in reply to #539179)
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Posted 2019-11-11 3:57 AM (#590001 - in reply to #539179)
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Lower valence i think will stay color matched... not a huge fan of the silver...

 

painted a hood hinge and a trunk hinge, both were buggered... Took like 5 trunk hinges and 3 hood hinges to get good ones...

 



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Posted 2019-11-11 11:00 AM (#590015 - in reply to #539179)
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Winter plans are

0. get car on dolley and down to bmv for title
1.cut end buff small pieces for final assembly.anything in the front end.
2 get roof wrapped
3. get wiring harness rough installed under the dash and run. Start mapping the new harness to the old dash
4. Put a volt meter in place of amp gauge, keep face and needle though
5. get dash installed, power steering column completed
6. gas tank and fuel pump installed in the rear of the car(mapping electric pump).
7. fuel line
8. brake line hookup
9. carb install
10. glass install and finish roof /glass install
11. radiator and fan install
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Posted 2019-11-11 3:50 PM (#590028 - in reply to #590015)
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Posted 2019-11-11 4:45 PM (#590029 - in reply to #590028)
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Mopar1 - 2019-11-11 3:50 PM Should have got Title before doing any work on it.

 

just a formality, i have a clean matching title.  You take it out to any small bmv and they send the title in.  ive done it many times.  I have to have a out of state inspection, a little 70 year old little asian lady comes out and looks for the vin number and odometer...

You cant have a car in pieces though, it has to look like a car :)  I bought this car off a cop in missouri so i dont think it was stolen... I can call him up and tell him though

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Posted 2019-11-16 11:39 AM (#590207 - in reply to #539179)
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Test fitting front end... putting it together to take to BMV office




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Posted 2020-03-02 9:17 PM (#595108 - in reply to #539179)
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I went with the Edelbrock AVS2

Laying out the wiring harness.

I got a 59 Dodge hood and lower front bumper... My 59 dodge front end is complete.




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Posted 2020-03-02 11:20 PM (#595114 - in reply to #539179)
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I put one of those AVS2's on my 383 last year, very happy with it. It's now the best running, carbureted car I own
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Posted 2020-03-03 12:22 AM (#595116 - in reply to #595114)
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KcImperial - 2020-03-02 11:20 PM I put one of those AVS2's on my 383 last year, very happy with it. It's now the best running, carbureted car I own

yeah i dont want to go with some ratty old carb... Seems the AVS2s are the real deal, i looked at the holley brawler also but this is low profile, came with a free air cleaner and 20$ off

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I really like that color... pretty close to the one I have on my Firedome...



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Posted 2020-04-05 8:29 PM (#596477 - in reply to #539179)
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cutting and buffing...
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Posted 2020-04-06 1:59 AM (#596488 - in reply to #595108)
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I went with the Edelbrock AVS2


Mike: Not sure what manifold you are using. After watching two videos on the AVS2, I am interested in a 500 cfm one for my 56 Dodge D500 315 hemi. Might be over kill but I am not happy with my rebuilt stock D500 Carter WCFB 2442S four barrel. The AVS2 sounds promising.

I still have the stock WCFB manifold so I think that I would at least need a spread bore type adapter. After that, I don't have clue.

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mikes2nd - 2020-03-02 6:17 PM
I went with the Edelbrock AVS2


Mike: Not sure what manifold you are using. After watching two videos on the AVS2, I am interested in a 500 cfm one for my 56 Dodge D500 315 hemi. Might be over kill but I am not happy with my rebuilt stock D500 Carter WCFB 2442S four barrel. The AVS2 sounds promising.

I still have the stock WCFB manifold so I think that I would at least need a spread bore type adapter. After that, I don't have clue.

Any thoughts?

:)
The AVS is a square bore, you'll need the HH small bore to big bore adaptor. Never seen hard numbers on the WCFB, supposedly 375-450 CFM.
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Posted 2020-04-06 6:06 PM (#596518 - in reply to #596517)
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fitting radiator... cut and buffed a fin... going to wrap it..

I am using a hot heads hemi manifold.



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Posted 2020-04-08 11:23 PM (#596610 - in reply to #596518)
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WCFBs are 385cfm.


I am told that my 56 D500 2442S WCFB was 320 cfm so not all WCFBs were created equal (??)

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Posted 2020-04-08 11:24 PM (#596611 - in reply to #596607)
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mikes2nd - 2020-04-08 6:56 PM cut and buffed a fin... going to wrap it.


Great job on the fin. Going to be a shame to wrap it and cover up your excellent work.

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Posted 2020-05-26 10:37 PM (#598819 - in reply to #539179)
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so i tried pulling the rear hub off the axle and it broke my puller... 3 hours down the drain Even more reason to go out and find a new posi axle.. Im off to hunt at the pull a part. the cut down ford is 57.5... a little short but I can deal with offset and a spacer if i have to.

Painted the inner rockers, gas tank is in, electric fuel pump is mounted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geyuFv4zw_g

 

 



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Posted 2020-05-26 11:33 PM (#598822 - in reply to #539179)
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Another reason to buy a good quality puller. Many people have had gobs of trouble with crappy quality pullers, and yet, John Folie has literally pulled 1000's of them with his puller without fail, and so have I. Just because we are smart enough to use a puller that is actually suited for the job.



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Posted 2020-05-26 11:35 PM (#598823 - in reply to #598819)
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Three things:

1. What is this 3M wand? Looks good.

2. I used one Eastwood can per rocker cavity on my 56 Dodge. If I get a 3M wand, I might go again.

3. What drum puller did you break? I am waiting for the borders to re-open so I can order one of Les Fairbanks's pullers.

Thanks



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mikes2nd - 2020-05-26 8:37 PM

so i tried pulling the rear hub off the axle and it broke my puller... 3 hours down the drain Even more reason to go out and find a new posi axle.. Im off to hunt at the pull a part. the cut down ford is 57.5... a little short but I can deal with offset and a spacer if i have to.



I broke the same puller. I just drove the studs in and removed just the drum. I did however find one of the heavier pullers as pictured if I need to change the axle seals.
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Posted 2020-05-27 6:53 PM (#598851 - in reply to #539179)
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I ordered a new puller. If it breaks it has a warranty. If i cant get it off I will leave it overnight.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B012P0QV5K


It was an older 60's puller. Cast iron but still very stout. A Henco?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-3-Jaw-Henco-Wheel-Hub-Puller-No-66/...


here is the spray wand I used.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfisO8h8vYY



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Posted 2020-05-27 7:08 PM (#598852 - in reply to #539179)
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That one works sometimes, if it isn't too stuck. The snap on or blue point 4567-G is the one I recommend. Right now the cheapest is $220 on Ebay, but they come up for $80-$150 if you are looking out for them.

Edit: Found one for $90. Much better price. Someone buy it.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-BLUE-POINT-HEAVY-DUTY-WHEEL-HUB-PUL...

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Posted 2020-05-27 8:03 PM (#598855 - in reply to #598851)
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mikes2nd - 2020-05-27 3:53 PM here is the spray wand I used.


Thanks for the video link. 3M 08851 wand kit is definitely better than the Eastwood four-holer that I used with their cavity paint. Looks like I need to do that all over again - with the 3M wands.



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Posted 2020-05-27 10:00 PM (#598864 - in reply to #539179)
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Use some heat with the puller next time, that is the key.
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Posted 2020-05-27 10:00 PM (#598865 - in reply to #539179)
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Posted 2020-05-27 10:47 PM (#598870 - in reply to #539179)
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yeah tried heat, ill see if this puller works, heat, liquid wrench, let it sit overnight... ill whack it also
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Posted 2020-06-06 8:28 PM (#599346 - in reply to #539179)
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got the drum off... heat again.  cheap amazon one works... its a hd version

 

picked up a Ford 8.8 rear end, 31 spline, 59.5 inches, ordered a new brakes kit, I will be using the stabilizer bar also on the rear end.



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Posted 2020-06-06 9:15 PM (#599352 - in reply to #539179)
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8.8 much better than those tapered axles!
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Posted 2020-06-10 11:03 PM (#599533 - in reply to #539179)
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that thing kicked my butt... but I got it out...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1Pj56zPD5Q

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Posted 2020-06-11 5:54 AM (#599539 - in reply to #539179)
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Nice score! I'm curious as to why you took the axles out? Maybe to do the hot work on the axle tube? I didn't take my axles out to relocate the perches. No problems so far
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Posted 2020-06-11 9:44 AM (#599543 - in reply to #539179)
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im going to full rebuild the posi, clutch discs and stuff also. Ill check the end bearings. What pinion angle did you use? Did you just move the perches out 3 inches on each side(same angle) and weld it in? I was pretty shocked finding a nice posi in a junkyard. People usually grab these immediately. Did you hook up the parking brake?

I know these tubes are fairly thin?  they said dont put high heat on them.

Ordering some brackets also, just ordered the lsd clutch pack kit.

https://www.hotrod.com/articles/ford-rear-axle/

 



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Posted 2020-06-11 7:29 PM (#599555 - in reply to #539179)
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Oh, that makes since. I measured the pinion angle of the old rear and set the 8.8 to match. I put mine in my 56, still have the emergency brake on the tail of the transmission so I didn't use the emergency brake on the rear
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Posted 2020-06-11 8:52 PM (#599556 - in reply to #599555)
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Nice job! I used a Fox body 8.8, converted to 5-lug. So I have drum brakes, but that allowed a Ranger e-brake setup that worked nicely. I also measured pinion angle from the stock Chrysler rear end, and matched that when welding on new leaf spring pads.
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Posted 2020-06-13 12:09 AM (#599600 - in reply to #539179)
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Okay went to summit... Farmtruck was there. Got new axle cover, gasket, new end seals, 3 quarts of 75w140, some cam breakin lube, two brackets. (200$)

they are all covid'd up, customers not wearing masks.... clearance section is slim but they did have some nice mopar trans for 70% off.

Original explorer pinion angle was 12, went with 6(same as dodge). I will cleanup and paint the springs.

I started putting rust converter stuff on after i welded the spring perches on. Im going drag racing now I think, if the tranny (total unknown) is good, ill give it a shot. I am still waiting on the lsd discs but i will get it all painted and ready to go. I still have to check my stock ratio. I have a new torque converter also if I need it.  Welding and grinding is a dirty job but no blood drawn today so it was all good.   Moved perches 4.25 inches from the inner edge of the outer flange.

 

 



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Posted 2020-06-13 1:53 AM (#599605 - in reply to #539179)
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I don't like those mopar spring perches. They make the hole too big for some reason. It's odd because even the cars from the early 70's have smaller holes in them. Maybe the larger head bolt is available for that size hole, but I haven't found it. So I always purchase a different set with a smaller hole.
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Posted 2020-06-13 2:28 AM (#599607 - in reply to #539179)
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yeah i saw that after the fact... i will put something to fill the hole a bit, either make a bushing or something and weld it in so its a nice fit. I wont have any play.

I have to see about the rear stabilizer bar attachments

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Posted 2020-06-14 12:27 AM (#599642 - in reply to #539179)
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Axle diff cleaned and clutch pack rebuild. I did get a new retainer spring from amazon so cant button it up today. Fricking pita...

goes in tomorrow. its just good primer and rattle can but it works, i could have busted out the paint gun but would have been overkill a bit.

Wasn't worn that bad, nice and clean, new seals, all painted, still have to resize those holes though. I put the stablizer bar on also.

Im bummed i should have put 10 inch back brakes on it :(   Still have to clean the caliper brackets and paint.

I have a Torsion 2 rear diff I could throw in :)  It cost me a grand but its very cool the way it works...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEiSTzK-A2A

torque cap bolts to 70-85 ft lbs... https://www.cartechbooks.com/techtips/fordgearswap



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Posted 2020-06-15 1:51 AM (#599684 - in reply to #539179)
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taking way too much time... just annoying crap after more annoying crap... I'm trying to get the axles in.. got the lsd spring in one day delivery... decided to replace it, thought i was all ready to go... I forgot to order the dust shields..
Which are now discontinued, i should have went with the mustang brakes, those are plentiful. I was going to put the rear parking brakes in the car but now decided against it. My parking brake setup is new old stock so im not going to put the parking brake hardware in it. Pita to get the springs off and get them completely painted but its ready to go in. Hope they are okay, it goes in tomorrow come hell or high water, I still need to figure out a rear stabilizer bar hookup.

I will get the brake lines next, start thinking about exhaust... get it all back on the ground and done underneath soon. The wiring, finish the cutting buffing and start the interior/glass and fire it up





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Posted 2020-06-16 1:05 PM (#599750 - in reply to #539179)
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Houston we have a small problem... I might not be able to get the stablizer around the shocks... or i have to change the mount(move it out)?

And I havent hooked the shocks up yet, i assume you guys got the extra distance. All in all its working out so far.

I might make a bracket to bring the shocks in a bit, that would put them back in the original spot and maybe get around the stablizer bar issue



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Posted 2020-06-19 12:49 PM (#599852 - in reply to #539179)
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Finishing rear axle today(couple hours) I will flare the brake lines also.

going to get the rotors pads and calipers on also hopefully. I gave up on "dust shields"... not a big deal
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Posted 2020-06-19 12:49 PM (#599853 - in reply to #539179)
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Finishing rear axle today(couple hours) I will flare the brake lines also.

going to get the rotors pads and calipers on also hopefully. I gave up on "dust shields"... not a big deal



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Posted 2020-06-20 12:59 AM (#599884 - in reply to #539179)
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got axles rotor calipers on... got the brake lines made. Explorer lines worked well, i have to weld some brackets on so i should have done that before hand, rear diff is ready to be filled with oil.

Have to check about the friction modifier... I hook up the rear brakes, the whole rear will be done tomorrow. Spiffy slotted drilled rotors! nice shiny red calipers... no dust shields I will start "fitting" the driveshaft also.

If I make some "extension brackets I can use the stabilizer bar to clear the shocks.  I may still do that real quick.

 Pross:

No brake adjustment needed, never dragging, simply install

Easy brake changes

Can use parking brake

Easy cheap ratio changes

posi/limited slip (performance)

Performance

Strength

Ease of replacement

Possible use of stabilzer bar

cheap replacement parts(pads, rotors, calipers) etc vs original

Cheap to rebuild posi


Cons:

Lose center bump stop(possible to make one).

Cost to buy axle and basic parts

Cost/effort to put new perches on

Speedo may be off(or you need new gear) if changing ratio.

Lose "originality" But brake upgrades dont matter that much.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Posted 2020-06-20 10:41 AM (#599896 - in reply to #539179)
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One more "pro" is that you will keep the same 4 5" bc bolt pattern and 1/2" right hand thread lug nuts.

One possible "con" is that the Ford axle stub (the center protrusion) is bigger than the stock Mopar, so you won't be able to get an OEM wheel to fit over it. But you can easily find wheels of any size that will work, and most people swapping to a Ford rear end won't mind replacing the wheels.

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Easy cheap ratio changes is a con because you are comparing it to an 8 3/4 which, with the 9" & 8" Ford, are the kings of cheap easy ratio changes.
The same could be said of strength.
Another con is the cost of a new driveshaft & getting that Toyota designed flange for it.
Another con is the offset pinion, which if you don't have bad angles from something else, will work, but it puts your angular offset more towards its limit of acceptance.

From my point of view, the only positive this has going for it is a cheap way to get disc brakes. An 8 3/4 converted to disc has everything positive over this axle.
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Posted 2020-06-20 11:22 AM (#599900 - in reply to #539179)
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yeah forgot about the left hand thread thing... I know people/shops rip the studs off these cars thinking its "being" stubborn and SNAP!

Ratio changes aren't outrageous. Kind of a pain with the 8.8 but very cheap.
Yes drive shaft change and flange, the flange normally comes with the axle. Its a strong ford flange btw
There is offset to the original axle, its slight, i think it was 1.25 inches, the ford is 2 inches.

Ive never seen a 8 3/4 posi axle in my life... These 8.8s are everywhere. Maybe if you go to Carlise or large mopar swap meet? but i doubt your getting that for 200$.
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Yeah, the sure grips are more expensive too, but readily available from swap meets or craigslist. I have 5 or 6 sure grip gear sets in my garage, but I don't really care to use them except in a performance oriented vehicle like my Barracuda. There's no need to install one in my DeSoto or New Yorker. They just reduce the fuel economy without adding much benefit for how these cars get used.
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hah of course you have 5 or 6... i saw a beat up old one for 600$ local... how do you even rebuild one?

im going drag racing with my Hemi man...





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getting the underneath done finally... exhaust was 390$, headliner 330$... things are adding up a bit need to finish brake lines and measure driveshaft for cutting today.

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It all adds up!

Just a couple of things I wanted to mention. It's good that that inline pump is easy to change out, because you'll be doing it all the time. I don't care where it was made, it just won't last as the only pump on a car. And it will probably struggle to feed that Hemi. The bright silver bolts and washers you have in the inner fender will jump right out, so you might want to hide them by spraying them with undercoat. And you will want more crankcase ventilation than just that cap. Do you still have the road draft tube at least? I would strongly suggest adding a PCV valve at the back of the valley pan. I did on my Hemi, and it made a pretty significant improvement in controlling oil vapor trying to push out of the spark plug tubes and everything else.

Looking good, man...
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ran out of welding gas so i couldn't finish the darn driveshaft...... have to go find a solid rubber mat to make the gas tank drop a bit... I honestly could do an in tank pump... the problem is fitting it in the tank, as the top of the tank is covered. This pump should be fine for volume I think.

I do have a big pcv valve, no downdraft. I was thinking about putting an access port under the back seat to get to the gas pump heh. I will be painting any shiny bolts.
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this is taking way to darn long...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tRj3kvaIkM
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What master cylinder did you end up with? The reservoir fittings are really tall on it, but I like it otherwise.
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its the 79-80 dodge Truck master its 1.125 bore

https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=309581&jsn=3

https://www.cardone.com/product/10-1860-master-cylinder



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reservoir fittings are not seated inside yet
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Cool glad im in good company... Its pretty massive. Do you use a proportioning valve or just let er rip??? Your using disc/drums?

Starting to look almost like a running engine... The little s**t is killing me... Ordered a gas pedal boot... and I don't have a good steering column cover...

Farking annoying when im missing bolts or certain little parts... Had to order some linkage parts... uhg wait... I don't know i need them but hey... I ordered turquoise vinyl paint also... have to wait. Ill get the carb in, and start the heater core and box finally. Fully cleaned out and getting set for wiring the whole car.

Im going with 58 tail lights, the regal lancer front pieces also(the big brows) and Dual 58 head lights.

I tested my horns. I have two types(autolite and spartan(I went with the spartans, they work like new))... would someone explain why are there so MANY goddarn different horns on these cars? Theres like 50 parts nums



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getting wiring ready...

ez wire harness 20 circuit kit
gm headlight switch
led headlights(looking for similar to challenger yellow daytime running lights), turn signal is yellow inset lens... giving shoutout to new challenger..
GM electronic ignition
Electronic choke
Voltmeter(replacing)
Back up lights on rear license plate surround
4 stop lights(58 housings)
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under dash lights
Concerned about column mapping...
Original oil gauge
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Posted 2020-08-17 2:52 AM (#602146 - in reply to #539179)
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Posted 2020-08-17 7:46 AM (#602152 - in reply to #539179)
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She's coming together Mike! looks awesome. This is going to be a neat car, I hope you change your stance, and drive the wheels off this thing. Steve.
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Posted 2020-08-26 2:08 PM (#602598 - in reply to #539179)
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Brakes are complete and bled... just may need some fine tuning on the adjustable pedal rod, this thing will stop on a dime i bet, pedal feels great... going to summit today to get a tranny cooler.

finishing up hoses, hopefully putting the heater core and box in today... then clean the whole inside out for wiring starting thurs... finally...

I will start buffing some trim also...

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Posted 2020-08-29 12:47 PM (#602703 - in reply to #539179)
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s**tty paint on the trunk edges... barely touched it...

replaced the trunk hinge....

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Posted 2020-08-30 11:10 PM (#602742 - in reply to #539179)
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Shifter cable is adjusted, gas pedal in, kick down adjusted
trying to get the trans cooler in. tons of crap done. Running some wiring now..
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Posted 2020-08-31 12:00 AM (#602743 - in reply to #539179)
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going with Ron Francis ignition switch also.. have to map it into the bezel somehow...

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Posted 2020-08-31 12:46 AM (#602744 - in reply to #539179)
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Then you will have to have 2 keys for the switch and doors. Why not use a '56 switch or a '57 Plymouth or DeSoto switch instead?
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Posted 2020-08-31 10:35 AM (#602756 - in reply to #602743)
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What is the advantage of that ignition switch? The factory one fits in the bezel.
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Posted 2020-08-31 5:09 PM (#602767 - in reply to #539179)
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I have the 57 dodge switch, I guess I could use it, just ignore the other wires... i wanted to simplify it, but as long as i only use the circuits i need im good. ill have to check it.

I may have been thinking the headlight switch is the "fuse box" switch
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Posted 2020-09-02 9:46 PM (#602864 - in reply to #539179)
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all this custom little s**t is crazy... getting close to wiring...
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Posted 2020-09-08 12:44 PM (#603023 - in reply to #539179)
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So how much hood clearance would you say you have with the HH intake and that AVS? i've been told the HH intake is too tall for these cars but i've never been told by how much. I have one i want to use in my firesweep because the stock intake is terrible.
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Posted 2020-09-08 11:24 PM (#603045 - in reply to #539179)
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I have about an inch, it fit... I went to a spector low profile intake. I might adjust it a bit and paint it black.

I am thinking about cutting the tubes on each side back also.... not using the tubes of course.

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Posted 2020-09-10 11:56 AM (#603072 - in reply to #539179)
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The headliner dye turned out really nice. Hope you can use it!

It is normal for paint materials to build up on edges of panels. It's a consequence of the material flowing out, and it is just something you have to watch out for. It's one of the reasons that high-end paint jobs get sanded between each coat, to flatten that area so you don't get a "bump" around panel edges after laying down several layers of primer/paint.

To preface this, I am just saying this as an observation watching your car come together contrasted with my own experience of building the Chrysler. It is interesting to see your use of aftermarket parts in your build, and the challenges they can sometimes cause. Obviously I did some custom / one-off stuff on my car, but believe it or not, I did try to refinish and reuse all the OEM parts and fasteners wherever possible. Partially because I wanted it "period correct-ish" but also because they were already there, so they were free! This comment was prompted by the aftermarket radiator, necessitating the aftermarket trans cooler, and the myriad small bits and pieces needed to get the systems working properly. I did have the same thought while you showed the brake light switch too, lol. You have done a good job of planning ahead and making sure all that is accounted for, so good on ya. The car is coming along very nicely, and just wanted you to know, someone does watch your vids.
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Posted 2020-09-13 8:38 PM (#603173 - in reply to #539179)
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1” eh? That’s... tight for engine movement... I thought about getting the carb pad milled down some, it will hurt intake performance some but it won’t be as bad as hitting, I don’t want to cut the hood.

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Posted 2020-09-13 9:32 PM (#603175 - in reply to #539179)
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oh im not doing a hood scoop no way... Its actually the front edge that comes closest... so it would have to rock a ton...I just put the wiring harness in today... holy cr@p im spending half the time looking sh*t up...
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Posted 2020-09-28 12:50 AM (#603679 - in reply to #539179)
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just about done wiring.. moving inside to the dash now... repainted the trunk...

Going to prime the engine again, and get hopefully test crank it over soon..

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Posted 2020-10-02 12:06 AM (#603867 - in reply to #539179)
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I actually turned the engine over with the starter, tested starter and it worked..... scary

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Posted 2020-10-02 11:13 AM (#603886 - in reply to #539179)
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If you paint outside, I've had great results by painting under an easy up as long as there is no wind. It keeps any crap from falling into your paint and keeps the direct sunlight off of your parts.
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Posted 2020-10-02 6:56 PM (#603913 - in reply to #539179)
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yeah ive never had that happen before... was like a tiny blob... should be okay now.  i think im done painting i hope i am.

 

 



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Posted 2020-10-07 11:41 PM (#604166 - in reply to #539179)
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wrap pics... putting exhaust in the car now.. had to order parts to finish wiring.. uhg





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Posted 2020-10-10 1:58 AM (#604267 - in reply to #539179)
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Engine harness is complete...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qbyytIvXvo


finishing up dash...

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Posted 2020-10-23 2:29 PM (#604827 - in reply to #539179)
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Going to go for a test fire this weekend... Got hoses... open headers though Still waiting on pipes off header. Test my electric fuel pump for leaks maybe tonight... get gas and antifreeze in it...



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Posted 2020-10-23 3:18 PM (#604830 - in reply to #539179)
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I don't recommend doing that. Get your exhaust all connected with mufflers and then setup your motor for breaking in the cam. Otherwise you risk ruining your lobes by doing any unnecessary startups. The first startup is pretty critical and you don't want to do it more than once if you can help it. Correct me if you are running a roller, but I didn't think so. Right before I run it, I pull the distributor and leave the intake & valley cover off. Then run a drill on your oil pump. Once you see a good amount of oil flowing over your cam, turn the motor over with the starter for a good while, while still running the drill on the pump. This seems to do a great job of avoiding the initial grind. Then put it together and start it up to break in the cam.

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Posted 2020-10-23 3:33 PM (#604831 - in reply to #539179)
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yeah i was thinking about that... not rollers.. It been 8 months probably since i prelubed the engine.. hmm, i have bumped the engine over a little.


and I have engine assembly oil on the bearings/cam... comp cam zinc oil in the car. these are new lifters on original cam...

I was thinking just seeing if she will fire for a couple a seconds...



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Posted 2020-10-23 8:19 PM (#604837 - in reply to #539179)
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Ha, man, your video reminds me of going over wiring diagrams until my eyes rolled back in my head.

You'll have a breakthrough when your first circuit is tested and works! Mine was the dome lights. Everything else will fall together quickly after that.

Wiring your own car is SO much work... but very satisfying once you're done. Keep at it, you're close!

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Posted 2020-11-02 11:51 PM (#605259 - in reply to #539179)
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wow in the trunk? Hmm that's a loty to move to the dash

I got my headers welded up, still have to finish up the exhaust. My exhaust is custom, i wasnt thrilled with the exhaust I recieved though. Minor glitch from classic exaust

I have to finish welding up exhaust, got the radiator hoses in.
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Posted 2020-11-04 1:19 PM (#605300 - in reply to #605259)
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Yep, it wasn't any issue at all. I did use both rocker channels. They have plenty of room though, even with power windows and solenoids for the shaved door handles. It really keeps the engine bay and under dash area neat and tidy. It did make the trunk space somewhat smaller especially since I upholstered it.

When you get the exhaust wrapped up, let's see a video of it running!
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Posted 2020-11-12 1:51 AM (#605558 - in reply to #539179)
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this exhaust is a pita... stupid things spiral around the darn torsion bars...





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Posted 2020-11-12 6:36 AM (#605560 - in reply to #539179)
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pipes look good except for the wrinkly curve around the bar. I thought they all go around the torsion bars? Did you do it in 2 inch Mike?Here is 300 C pic I found.



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Posted 2020-11-12 8:27 AM (#605562 - in reply to #539179)
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yeah those wrinkles are from the one bend and the weld. its all custom, the 392 trans makes things tougher also, the hemi is alot tighter

All two inch.
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Posted 2020-11-21 6:19 PM (#605901 - in reply to #539179)
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Okay had a leak in the gas tank... never trust em... couple pin holes in the strap area... that set me back... Fixed it, put the tank back in it. 93 octane.. put 3 gallons in it, test fired the fuel pump.. its pretty quiet... got gas... tried starting... car wasn't in neutral

 

would not fire at first... had the wires one position off(after i got the timing light out, showed spark, i knew i had gas). I had been playing with the wires so many times I must have got it off a position..

So after messing it fired, sounds great... I have a leak at the water cross over... one freeze plug i had over tightened and the nut broke off...got to pull that and replace after i order a new one... AND the tranny puked trans fluid..

I have NO engine oil leaks which im very grateful for... rear main seal seems to be good, i was very careful about that one. I will drop the tranny pan if I have to and redo it. Ill order a new oil pan gasket, i may have over tightened. I think it was cork... real slight drop, couple drips per day.



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Posted 2020-11-22 7:56 AM (#605915 - in reply to #539179)
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Posted 2020-11-22 6:44 PM (#605937 - in reply to #539179)
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how in the hell do you get the transmission breather little cap off the back? with the trans in the car? Its crimped on... i tried to wedge it a bit...

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Posted 2020-11-23 11:32 AM (#605952 - in reply to #539179)
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Why do you want to remove the breather cap? Is it leaking fluid there?
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Posted 2020-11-23 11:13 PM (#605966 - in reply to #539179)
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it spit out oil from the transmission fill tube.. i heard it can do that, i might try some air and see if it comes out, the cap is lloose.

I wont put hard air on it, just some gentle pressure.

I got the freeze plug out, ill need to buy a new set. Kind of annoying. Those hot heads copper ones did work well, i must have over tightened the one and the nut broke off. I fixed the water filler leak and put some sealant on the water pump bolt.

That should fix the leaks, no oil leaks, just the water leaks...

Anyone else experience full oil pressure on startup? i have 80 psi. I do have a 20% more high flow oil pump(melling).

I am a little worried about the oil filter so i am going to get another one, i talked to hot heads about recommended filters.
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Posted 2020-11-24 12:36 AM (#605969 - in reply to #539179)
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Congratulations on getting the motor running! Just use the filter you have to do the cam break in. Change it to something else afterward. The o-ring freeze plugs with the T-bar work well, but can seep if the surface is pitted. But they will never pop out on you, which is what I like about them. The trans in my Fireflite did the same thing you are describing. I drove it around the block as it spewed out the tube. Stopped the car and shut it off. Then I was able to refill it without the air bubble problem. Not sure what the proper procedure is.
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Posted 2020-11-24 2:12 AM (#605970 - in reply to #539179)
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thanks yeah i asked someone else they said it sometimes can do that when empty, ill see if it settles down. Something about it being in gear possibly? I started the car up in the air but I don't think the wheels spun. Maybe you need to get it into gear quick

Yeah ill yank that filter off quick once i get a 10-15 minute break in done, that oil pressure is at the back of the block so I guess that mean im getting good pressure where it needs to be. I have comp cams zinc oil in the car.

this thing seem stout... no fan, hot heads intake with the avs2 carb... very responsive also(as you can see). I have a small exhaust leak i need to address.

I didn't touch the carb... just started it

I spent a lot of time learning wiring.. its a joke once you spend the time to learn it once. I did a lot of customization though. That oil pressure safety switch alone was probably a day f'ing around with it. Its about prep and planning with these wiring kits, get it in the right place the first time, but in the end pretty simple. Get all the parts you need ahead of time... making changes to the wiring sucks... order from amazon... wait 2 days... order from amazon wait 2 days... order from amazon wait 2 days... i still have to "map' the dash now.



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Posted 2020-11-24 12:02 PM (#605981 - in reply to #605937)
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Congrats man! Sounds great! And that oil pressure is plenty stout. Is that cam already broken in?

You don't have to wait two days for electrical parts to come from Amazon, there's plenty of other stuff to do.

The transmission vent cap doesn't usually need to come off. I think it will pop off if you pry on it. If you really want, I have three iron TFs in my shop and I can take a look at them the next time I'm down there to see if there's a way to get it off without damaging the cap.

Dang, you cut the e-brake cables off that rear? Gonna be hard to make that functional again.
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Posted 2020-12-16 2:02 AM (#606779 - in reply to #539179)
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i had the ebrake cable in the car, original.

I broke the cam in with comp cams zinc break in oil, 20 minutes on it, ill swap it out, put new oil in with zinc hope and pray

My transmission was fine after letting it settle down, power steering "sucked" up a quart so i stuck another in. Got all the leaks fixed.

Got some 16 inch rims and rubber, tried portawalls for fun and my low rider spinners(I want to put the knights head on them somehow).

They look pretty good and pretty fat.





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Posted 2020-12-16 8:34 AM (#606784 - in reply to #606779)
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Nice! It's really coming together now.

Keep an eye on those portawalls. If your radials have a 'pooge' at the bottom, thousands of cycles of flexing in and out will stretch the whitewall to the point they flop all around while going down the road. But they usually work okay. I like those 'Polara' like caps. Hope you can figure out how to get a knight's head on there.
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Posted 2020-12-16 11:03 AM (#606791 - in reply to #539179)
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Perhaps the preahers collars would work on low profiles, but check the tire sidewall often as there will be a groove sawed by the edge of the white rubber and the white will get really nasty grey brown very soon. Don't ask Me how I know ??????
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Posted 2020-12-16 11:57 AM (#606795 - in reply to #539179)
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the portawall is actually just up on a ridge on the bottom of the sawed edge so they arent sitting on the saw section, the portawalls seem pretty stout, they aren't flimsy so who knows I really just wanted to experiment.

I am still considering a final option of a chromed concave steelies with the knights spinner on it. I figured i got into this whole set of rims/tires/portawalls for 425$, tires free, portawalls 75, rims 250, caps 100$ so its a good trial set of rims/tires.
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Posted 2020-12-16 3:56 PM (#606811 - in reply to #539179)
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i need to find a couple little chrome plugs to fill the screw holes but they fit near perfect

I could put the other spinners (need a center cap though and i could put the others on the "bad" dodge repops, might make those almost look good since they already stick out.

These are nice and flat like stock.



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Posted 2020-12-16 4:03 PM (#606812 - in reply to #539179)
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Black Version... hmmm



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Posted 2020-12-17 12:58 PM (#606840 - in reply to #606812)
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Kinda reminds me of a '58 base Coronet cap, with a spinner. Cool!



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Posted 2020-12-17 1:39 PM (#606842 - in reply to #539179)
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It would be pretty cool to add some spinners to the '58 hubcap, but the 14" diameter kills all such ideas for me.
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Thanks for taking the time to continue to post up on your progress. I'm 6 months into my own 57 Coronet mild custom project and it's reassuring to watch someone who is several steps ahead of me.

I got tired of working constantly on body rust repair and switched to the frame and suspension which is now nearing completion. After scratching my head for awhile and seeing your photos of the exhaust, I think I have decided to build my pipes on the frame before the body goes back on..... at least the part from the head pipes past that dang crossmember!

The caps look fantastic
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Posted 2020-12-21 5:07 PM (#606950 - in reply to #539179)
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exhaust was a pita like almost everything else..

I was just f'ing around with white wall paint... thats a bad idea... i bought some portawalls for fun. I just sent it back through amazon.
Ive been loosey goosy with sealing this engine(cooling side) i admit, dont make it second thought like my or youll pay the price Ive been anal about oil leaks though.

I have s**t stuck in the mail for weeks now... I ordered a second water neck on amazon since the original has been stuck in Michigan for two weeks..
I ordered a second and got it in 2 days from jeggs. The post office is totally f'ed... Two tires down, i ordered more lug nuts... trying to get it on the ground finally.

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Posted 2020-12-21 5:30 PM (#606951 - in reply to #539179)
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I go through so many disc conversions on all my cars that I bought 100 RH lug nuts when I saw what I wanted at the flings. I'm more than half-way through them now. Having a stockpile of certain parts keeps me sane so I don't have to wait for everything.
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I hear ya on parts. Seems like everyone is low on stock, ship dates are not immediate, and then the mail is slow.

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Powerflite - 2020-12-21 5:30 PM I go through so many disc conversions on all my cars .

 

your a mad man though.. hah, im back to working full time, i am anal about everything though so that slow me down.

Its back on the ground, engine all buttoned up, got rid of the big red 392, found a nice silver flat one.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GjTv5d7wh4

 

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getting ready to put the dash in
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I really like that outdoors cold air painting video! It is so so much fun to watch somebody else be stubborn and paint when it is too cold...
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I put the engine as far forward as I could, by rotating the engine mounts.it is darn close but i am ableto move it though.

 

ack i better re shoot the vents to the same color... I am not sure about that contrast.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD_zqbVd4WU



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getting door cards cut... and actually getting seats fit a bit.
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Caddy seats were almost made for this car...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76XYK_xfAS0

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these seats are comfy... I have to admit that...





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4k rear lcd mirror is here, hopefully is a good buy... I even checked the youtube reviews but who knows. Volt/Amp gauge is reverse but gets the job done telling you something is working

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LFuV9mYo00

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How did you attach the Dodge amp meter face & needle to the volt meter?
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I  cut small squares of fiber board to fit the bottom stands of the the amp gauges.(glued those on first in prep) Center on 13 volts.

Then took a dremel and put a small slice for he needle to be glued in.

I used 10 second gorrilla superglue... stuck it on and made sure the needle moved freely.

 

here is the volt gauge i bought

2" inch 52mm LED Smoke Lens Volt Voltage Meter Monitor Electric Gauge | eBay

 

 

 



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going with a lcd rear mirror. H612T

door panel "pattern" almost done...
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volt gauge... armrests door panel...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVfcQZZt_Qo
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Fans are in... engine bay is pretty muchdone... Hope to finish the interior asap.

I am not worrying about fine finish, im just getting it running and on the road.quick cut and buff and get the trim on.

Headliner in and windows in is critical, then dash and slap the seats in and drive it..

I will do the final interior finishing while its going to shows... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBl1v4yhmu

 



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Posted 2021-05-06 5:47 PM (#611795 - in reply to #539179)
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Aliens deleted your video.
:laugh:

There's something wrong with that link. This one works.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBl1v4yhmuY
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Posted 2021-05-11 12:49 AM (#611879 - in reply to #539179)
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Why post links to another site instead of embedding the videos here Mike???
Photos are also important, least to Me.
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its never worked consistently for me. lets try again. nope doesn't work You should consider upgrading the board...

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You're welcome Mike Just keep the brackets in the right place. (Hit "Edit" and see how I fixed the error.
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Posted 2021-05-17 2:21 AM (#612052 - in reply to #539179)
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i cant see it, because i cant edit
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Sorry, yes the timeframe is limited. Here it is; youtubemovie]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBl1v4yhmuY[/youtubemovie

You need to add the [ and ] in the beginning and the end (had to remove them otherwise the video will show and not the command)
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headliner is almost done...





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Wow, those clamps have uses afterall! Congratulations, that looks good. Just trimming and gluing now.
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Posted 2021-06-14 1:28 AM (#612748 - in reply to #539179)
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I think i am going glueless actually. Side trim has it locked in, front is hooked... If i put some hooks along the back i dont need to glue I think and I can "undo" it if needed... This is a pita, time consuming but its more about me screwing up the bows.

I know how to do it much faster now. The info i have now learning the process and parts i need were the most work...

who does the headliners on your 10 cars?
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The hard part is pulling all the glass and trim, but I don't need any liner for my head.
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headliner done, front and rear glass is in... kicked my arse in heat humidity..

door glass goes in quick... dash... I have the heater switch figured out... headlight will be an aftermarket, wiper is going to be oem

this cr@p takes time... i swear i was 2 hours getting the rear seal dum dum out the crevaces... it was caked in...

I used 3m bedding compound... nasty kinda stuff



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Good work...hope the glass trim will seat better than it did for me.....the most painful work I know , especially with the back glass trim.
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Nice work! Looking forward to seeing more updates.
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22mafeja - 2021-06-21 12:49 AM Good work...hope the glass trim will seat better than it did for me.....the most painful work I know , especially with the back glass trim.

its about pushing it down over the fence. I got it down i think )

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i got the top piece on, im worried about the rear... think the center top is sticking up. This was a b*tch to get this on though... because the clips and the one hole was 1/4 off so one screw is kinda sideways.

Front end is buttoned up, changed the oil and filter...

Half the dash switches on it.... really pushing to get the dash done, working on lights for the dash.

I think the my variable wiper switch is short, maybe from a Plymouth?

 



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Looks good, but I think it would be easier to install the dash first before you install the windshield.
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yeah would have been i guess but i had the glass laying out... and i am mapping gauges to this generic harness. I didnt want to hurt it so i put it in.

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headlights and running lights done and working, all led... I guess the yellow running lights(no longer turns) are a homage to the Hemi Challengers late model..

now on to brake light switch and brake lights... then finish dash... being downhill is nice...



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I use my front turn signals for both running lights and turn signals. You just have to swap the position on your headlight switch from driving lights to tail lights.
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Wrapping fins.... took about 30 minutes to get it perfect...





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fitting front bumper...



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it spit oil again a little, weird since I can blow air through the cap... I think the level comes up when it gets hot and blocks something? It cant block the breather but it slowly builds pressure(i put a glove on it during operation and it definately gets a little pressure).

Its about a half quart low when it spits.

And the power brake went to the floor when i started it with the vacuum so have to work on that... trying to get the dash in the darn thing.

But i fixed the idle, no real leaking(rear main is good). Ive got a small leak at the PS return line i can fix.
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power brake booster fixed...

my parking brake locks up when in reverse so i gotta fix that pita!

Other fin is wrapped, fin caps are on, front bumpers are tight.

Lol so much for a quick dust in.. I didnt expect this to be a total frame off, engine upgrade to a 392, 4 way disc, posi full custom interior



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it spit oil again a little, weird since I can blow air through the cap... I think the level comes up when it gets hot and blocks something? It cant block the breather but it slowly builds pressure(i put a glove on it during operation and it definately gets a little pressure). no real leaking(rear main is good)..
Engine has to breath, air in through the cap & out the puke tube, or PCV valve if replaced If breathing is inadequate it'll blow a seal like the rear one.
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it spitting out the transmission, i added a bit more.. i think the oil expands under heat and blocks the air tube? but it doesnt seem overfilled.. I can blow air out the air vent hole in the trans when cold.

 

I was told it will stop() and it will settle down and keep an eye on it. 



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The trans should not puke fluid. The proble with lock in reverse might be related Mike.
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yeah im going to verify by removing the parking brake... its a half hour of work but since its up in the air i might as well to totally rule out the parking brake before i swap trans's..

now im thinking posi also lol

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i knew it wasn't the posi... my trans is jacked... ill try the spare I have that was supposed to be good. The one i pulled from the donor was parked for a "reason" I think i know why now The tranny fluid looks kind of cloudy, its brand new and shouldn't look like that... swapping a trans in is pretty easy though.



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its the 79-80 dodge Truck master its 1.125 bore

https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=309581&jsn=3

https://www.cardone.com/product/10-1860-master-cylinder




Hello Mike, I continue to have drum brake issues on my New Yorker and I’m going to switch to front disc and use a remote reservoir master due to hemi clearance. From the comments, it looks like you used the
RAYBESTOS MC39178 master and removed the reservoir. Can you please tell me the fittings you used in place of the reservoir to adapt the hoses for a remote reservoir?
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I got two aluminum dowels and drilled and tapped them out(youll need to clearance them a little on the bottom also)

I used a funky remote reservoir off a Mitsubishi or something.

I think your going to need a lathe and make brass like the one guy did before, i like his setup better.

I guess mine is simper? I cut some grooves around the aluminum to put seals
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Ok thanks for posting the photo, looks good. I’m working on some options now to replace mine.
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you need a lathe to make those plugs that match the plastic reservoir and he connected them to the original res...

I think i might make a bunch,
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After a bit of searching I found some hose adapters, the brass ones shown in the photo, $40 for a pair of the cups and elbows. We’ll see how well they fit the master.
Make a bunch and sell them, they’re not easy to find.
I probably should continue the updates to my car on the thread for it. I’ll post there as I redo the brakes.
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I bought a small lathe... fixing it up a bit...

And the trans is out, i have to have the gear ring swapped over to my new torque converter...

Cleaning my backup trans... I was thinking about a 700R4 but ill slap this one in see how it does.









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cleaned and installed, painted all nice and silver

Swapped out the torque converter ring on the new torque converter... trans is reinstalled...





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redid parking brake...

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New trans works great so far... I guess i realize why the donor hemi car was parked now.

I did see the kick down rod had to be extended a bit to handle the 392 swap so I did that also and the exhaust is perfect finally.

Shifts into reverse fine

can come back off the jackstands as everything underneath is finally done and buttoned up... back to the interior.



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fired up and clearing out the moisture from sitting for a while...

I will relash the valves i guess but it sounds good. Start cleaning up around it and get it back on the ground. I will fine tune later(that is the carb settings out of the box).

I think im ditching the 392 emblem... Its kind of there so i dont have to tell people what it is but it looks pretty bad.

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Looks superb, sound good.

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just did some clips of trans info... was a pita but its done and working great.

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mikes2nd - 2022-01-12 12:16 PM

fired up and clearing out the moisture from sitting for a while...

I will relash the valves i guess but it sounds good. Start cleaning up around it and get it back on the ground. I will fine tune later(that is the carb settings out of the box).

I think im ditching the 392 emblem... Its kind of there so i dont have to tell people what it is but it looks pretty bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWxYlnGy8D4

Everyone assumes a hemi is a 392 anyway...
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Posted 2022-01-27 1:36 PM (#618827 - in reply to #539179)
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nope lots of non 392s all over now..
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Posted 2022-02-19 5:02 PM (#619569 - in reply to #539179)
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I am restoring a 57 coronet now and noticed that you had found a 2nd vin on the frame somewhere...my body is soon lifted off so tell me where I have to look .



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Posted 2022-02-19 7:50 PM (#619575 - in reply to #539179)
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supposed to be on top of frame at passenger foot area. You will have to carefully polish that area
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Posted 2022-02-19 11:17 PM (#619585 - in reply to #539179)
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So it is at the same spot as on my 58 Firedome...good to know...thanks.
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Posted 2022-02-20 11:50 AM (#619601 - in reply to #619585)
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reportedly it in a number of hidden places that the cops are supposed to know where.
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Posted 2022-03-09 11:30 AM (#620126 - in reply to #539179)
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making these seats fit... Not a lot of room in the back seats of these coupes...

I think I can sit them down a bit and get it nice and comfy in the back.

I will re vinyl them later with turquoise.





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Posted 2022-05-27 2:00 AM (#621759 - in reply to #539179)
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finally getting there... these are the parking/running lights... I want 4 brake lights.

License plate will be the reverse lights.

Finishing dash and wiring this weekend hopefully..

Front and rear lights are essentially done...

Then carpet and seats... Ill run black this year, will recover over the winter...







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Posted 2022-06-06 1:28 AM (#621944 - in reply to #539179)
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Dash going in...





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Posted 2022-07-14 1:57 PM (#622877 - in reply to #539179)
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these dash lights are not very bright...

I even bought the ultrabright led's...



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Posted 2022-07-14 6:48 PM (#622882 - in reply to #622877)
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I guarantee you do not want dash lights that are "bright" in daytime while driving at night. Close up the garage and see if your dash lights are bright enough to see the gauges.
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Posted 2022-07-16 2:29 AM (#622901 - in reply to #539179)
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the lower tail lights are WAY too bright...

got to swap those out...



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Posted 2022-07-16 10:41 PM (#622917 - in reply to #539179)
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Okay the clock light is not working out...




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Posted 2022-07-26 12:54 AM (#623196 - in reply to #539179)
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wiring of dash is done... hook up the steering column and put some kind of seat it in and test drive potentially...






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Posted 2022-08-08 10:04 AM (#623447 - in reply to #539179)
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Am i the only one how has put a Chrysler power steering gear in a Dodge?

It bolts right in... BUT you must cut the column cover and shaft down and weld it.

I thought it was the same unit... its not.

I did change out the arm for the dodge and it fit also, the steering ratio is 3.5 vs 3.4 so that won't be a problem.

I guess I have the heavy duty power steering... I do need a measurement from the "dash to the bottom of the wheel where it meets the cover) if anyone can get me one from their Dodge.







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Posted 2022-08-09 2:58 PM (#623457 - in reply to #623447)
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The Chrysler has a 4" longer wheelbase, all forward of the doors, so I'm not surprised the steering column is different. And it's really just a bigger car... the frame is made from thicker steel, it uses heavier duty ball joints and steering parts, and there are likely several other key differences in the steering.

Why not just run the stock Dodge steering gear?
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Posted 2022-08-10 2:14 AM (#623462 - in reply to #539179)
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1. I don't have the dodge setup
2. The chrysler is already hooked up and working

It's just a matter of getting it where it feels comfortable.

I think I will wait till i get the caddy seats setup and see how it goes. I am a little worried about the hump though, i should be fine as the caddy has the center hump also.
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Posted 2022-08-10 11:14 AM (#623470 - in reply to #539179)
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I bet you're cutting up a 300C column, aren't you.
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Posted 2022-08-10 4:36 PM (#623477 - in reply to #539179)
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no im cutting up a new yorker :P these are not rare parts... same as sedan parts a dime a dozen...

actually, i have a spare 300C column
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Posted 2022-08-11 6:22 PM (#623505 - in reply to #623470)
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Well... You will need to take it all apart to shorten the column and weld it. You don't want it to wobble, and you sure as !@#$ don't want the weld to break. Attaching two images of the column and gearbox for '57 Chrysler in case it helps.

As I mentioned earlier, the wheelbase is four inches longer on the Chrysler. You can use the angle of the column and the Pythagorean theorem to come up with an amount to shorten it. If the column angle is at 30* from horizontal (and I don't know what it is) then that means you'd shorten the shaft by 4.6188"

I can't help but think you'll be better off just finding a Dodge power steering box and column.



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Posted 2022-08-11 10:37 PM (#623511 - in reply to #539179)
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nah actually the angle is the same, lines up perfect... bolts right on the frame. The coaxle is like having heavy duty steering.

the pitman arm was shorter by a very small margin.

I wouldn't just 'tack" weld it trust me the weld would be stronger than the original.

And since its two simple pieces to weld it wouldn't be a problem. Actually I am going to fit the wheel to like someone who is 6 feet to the seats.

I have the Plymouth to compare and the Chrysler.
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Posted 2022-08-20 11:36 AM (#623661 - in reply to #539179)
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finishing window trim... got it all buffed...

I am putting 58 Custom royal roof trim on a 57 dodge which is a little funky

Anyone want to trade good 57 with good 58?



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Posted 2022-09-07 11:28 PM (#624087 - in reply to #539179)
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Okay about to take the car for a ride around the block... I remember i was dumb thinking I would "just get it running"... and as I am anal retentive about the smallest details.. turned into a insane restoration with upgrades on everything.

I used another brake booster that doesn't leak and used a good "loose" chrysler power brake pedal arm... Just slapped it in... works!

Will release when you let off the trigger... this has been a long haul... finishing up trim. I will be fitting the regal lancer trim on the side this weekend...

I will probably save windows for the winter but should make a couple car shows.

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Posted 2022-09-08 5:50 AM (#624094 - in reply to #539179)
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Looking good! I'm pretty sure this is the car I passed on because the ad only had 1 photo of the drivers side from what seemed like 100 ft away, and he never sent more pics that I asked for. I didn't want to drive to MO and deal with a guy that doesn't communicate well and then find out the car is worse than expected. Seeing your pics of it, I would have bought it at his asking price though, as I have a 4 door parts car. Looks like it's in better hands with you anyway, it would still be in my shop labeled as project #3 if I had bought it.
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Posted 2022-09-08 1:59 PM (#624101 - in reply to #539179)
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yeah it was a cop out of Missouri, and he was kind of a pita.. and it was worse than originally thought (like always).

This has been a SLOG...  The next cars will go much quicker... and I actually ordered parts for them as I ordered the parts for this.  My 58 Plymouth part stash is well stocked.

I also introduced my own issues though, and I am learning FWL restoration...  And I am also working on a house and other cars constantly. (honestly 5-10 real hours a week is all i have last two years).

But its going to hit the road finally i think...  Will probably need driveshaft balancing to drive it over 35.

Some things working with FWL cars take forever to get the right part or make it yourself.  I am making rear window trim clips because you can't buy them anymore...  s**t like that takes hours...

little sh*t will kill you on these cars... just having the riight bolt or screw....  I made a ton of work for myself with the whole new wiring harness and tons of upgrades... 

 



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