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Location: Montana | Here are a few pics of my wagon project that I started on about 1 1/2 years ago. These are the pics of where I had found it. I was helping my buddy work on his demo derby car at his shop one weekend and when I stepped out back, here sat this cool wagon. I had never seen anything like it before. He said it was going to be stripped and built unless he could swap it for another mopar derby car. I traded him a rough 73 Newport and about a week later the car was mine. It's been quite a journey since then.
The original engine had been pretty much dismantled for several years in the car. No heads, intake, carb, oil pan, trans pan. Not exactly sure what was being done there but either way it was toast. The rest of the car was actually fairly complete. No major dents or rust either.
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Location: Montana | After getting the car I had a hard time deciding on how I wanted to build it. At first I wanted to do a gasser style wagon with the solid front axle and a 331-392 Hemi with dual quads on it. Unfortunately someone had beat me to the idea with the exact same car called "Bad Gas". It's pretty impressive and I like to be original in ideas so back to the drawing board I went.
Next idea was to do a 413/727 set up on air bags and a tubbed rear end. My imagination and vision was a bit more ambitious than I believed my skill set for those mods to be. I didn't really want to cut that much on a car that I had one shot at getting right. Drawing board again.
The final plan which has actually worked very well is a Rat rod. I can hear the gasps of many at the mention of that word. I very much enjoy the rat rod scene and culture. Many of them are built with 20s 30s and 40s cars but I wanted to be outside the box and this is the furthest thing from a 32 Ford.
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Location: Montana | After getting the build idea laid out this is what I came up with
Engine - 1996 12 Valve Cummins with a P7100 injection pump
Transmission - Getrag G360 5 spd OD manual
Clutch - Southbend 13125
Rear Axle - 1967 Plymouth Fury 8 3/4. 489 center section, 3.23 gears, Detroit Trutrac carrier, Dutchman 33 spline axles, back braced, and disc brakes.
I went with a farming theme for interior of the car. Lots of repurposed items that turned out pretty cool
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Location: Montana | The front floor pans had seen better days. The rubber mat that was on the floor held more water in than anything so the pans had to be cut out and replaced
Being as replacement floor pans aren't super easy to come by for this car I got creative and went with a light gauge tread plate for the floors. This grew exponentially when I liked the look so I did the entire floor.
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Location: Montana | With the new floor also came a new firewall. I couldn't make the stock one look or function how I wanted so I made my own. Worked extremely well and tied everything together nicely. Plus this way I can easily mount all my brake clutch assemblies to a smooth flat surface.
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Location: Montana | Since the Cummins weighs more than even a 440 and makes more torque I had to modify the frame to handle it. The entire frame was boxed - over with plate and bigger torsion bars were custom made. Stock I think these bars were just under an inch. The new ones are 1.18 diameter. They hold the front up perfectly. All the ball joints and bushings are new. The control arms have also been re-enforced. Disc brakes up front were added as well.
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Location: Montana | With putting in an engine that was never designed to be put in that car came a whole host of other fitment issues. One of these was steering. There wasn't room for the stock steering box and the tie rods were right where the oil pan needed to be. I went with a rack and pinion from a 2005 Malibu and fabricated some mounts.
The cummins is quite a bit taller than any V8 so I knew that a hood scoop was going to be nesessary to fit everything under the hood. I went with a Hemi inspired scoop that was made from some old combine sheetmetal.
Room for batteries up front was non existing so I put them in the back . I have 2 1000CCA batteries and still room for a spare.
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Location: Montana | Inside the car was a lot of fun. I used some unique ideas on re purposing different items. The gauges ended up where all the switches originally were. The headliner is simply old farm signs screwed in place. The door panels and dash are tin from a barn. Window cranks and door latches are spring harrows. The arm rest is a step off a piece of equipment. Seats are from a Jeep and covered in seed sacks. The back deck area is covered in more combine sheetmetal.
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Location: Montana | I haven't done a whole lot with the outside of the car. I have changed the front bumper to one off of an International pickup. I made a visor for the windshield because I wanted a lower look to the glass. The tailgate window didn't work so I modified it to operate it manually.
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Location: Vancouver, Washington | I freakin love it!!!!!! Nice job. These cars do not get much attention from FL group, and unfortunately more than a few of them have found their way to crusher.. Glad to see you save this one and make a cool ratrod out of her. Can't wait to see you finish. |
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Location: Montana | The fuel tank was rotted out so I decided to go with an aluminum fuel cell. I bought an RCI cell and then had to cut holes in it and weld in new pieces to make it fit in the rear quarter panel.
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Location: Montana | Thanks 61forfun! I'm pretty anxious to drive it this spring. I'm down to a small list of stuff to finish |
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Location: Perth Australia | Yep
1000% not my style, but also 1000% not my car!!!!
That thing is going to be very heavy
At least its been kind of saved, its alternative life was going to be not good and short
D11, I think your about to cop a bit of flack here as deviating to far away from how they were made
upsets a few here (I hate cut up cars as well, but hot rod work I dont mind)
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Location: Montana | I fully expected to be met with some resistance about how the car is built. Some will love it, others will loathe it. Either way it's mine. I built it how I wanted to, with what parts I wanted to and I'm happy with how it's turning out. I welcome all opinions and comments on it. |
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Even disguised well  , I see some real good craftsmanship in the work you've done. |
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Location: Lordstown, Ohio | I Like it!! One question I have often wondered about,.. is why a vast many of ratrodders are using diesels?? Very curious on that, I use to joke with people about putting a 7.3 diesel in my 69 Camaro conv. Now it seems real common |
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Location: Montana | Thanks guys, I appreciate the compliments!
W weiland...... Alot of people are using diesel now simply because of the ease of making gobs of torque and horsepower with some very minimal changes. Most of these don't require opening the engine up to mess with internals like gasoline. Diesel is generally bolt on horsepower unless you are looking to make stupid amounts of power (800+) then you have to dig into the guts.
The engine I used was rated at 180HP and 460 ft/lbs torque in stock form. With some simple fueling mods you can get to 250HP easily. A new set of injectors and a slightly bigger turbo will put you up at 400HP and 700 ish torque. You can play with injection timing as well to make more power. You have to be careful though. To much timing on a stock engine and you will be putting in a new head gasket and a head stud kit.
The clutch I put behind mine is rated for 400HP so that's my limit plus I don't think I'll need much more than that.
I have done the easy fueling mods on mine and changed the governor on it to allow the engine to spin to around 4k RPM instead of the stock 2500. With this you need to change to some stiffer valve springs but they are only 100 bucks and take just a few hrs to put in. I figure I can add power mods as I go until I reach a point where I'm happy with it or until I hit the 400 mark.
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Location: little rock, AR | I've had a couple of '61 wagons and its great to see some love thrown at yours. |
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Location: Montana | I decided that I needed some cup holders. They are made from piston nuts that come out of a Caterpillar ripper hydraulic cylinder. They will end up on the tunnel in between the front seats.
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | i like it very much and most would probably think i would . aint many got the balls to do what you are doing . keep the photos coming -------------------------------------later |
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Location: Montana | Yes that is Steve Darnell's "D-rod". He built that several years ago when he was still living in Montana. He actually was living in the same town that I do when it was built. So I have definitely had some diesel influence with old cars for awile now. I just finally had the means to build my own. He is a super talented fabricator, a creative genius, and to top it off a super nice guy. |
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Location: Montana | I wanted to do a radio delete option. So keeping with the theme of everything I found a vintage Cummins sign that was the right size. Im not exactly sure what it came off of. It did have to be shipped a mile or two. It came from Warwickshire England
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Location: Georgia | Most impressive build, Brian. Not my cup of tea personally, but very fascinating to watch! Hats off to you! I enjoy all the details.
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| Cool build! I like rats when tastefully done, yours has a cool concept and looks sweet! What do you have planned for wheels/tires/stance? As with most cars, I think that will make or break the look. Nice work! |
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Location: Montana | Thanks guys! As far as wheels, tires, and stance goes, I will be using a plain black wheel with 7.00 15s all around. I have a set of Hemi/Max Wedge poverty hubcap to finish them up.
I have a set of chrome wheels on it now with about 10 inches of rubber on the ground. They look cool but they don't really keep with the theme I'm trying to establish so they will be coming off.
Height wise I'm not going to mess with it a whole lot. Everyone wants to slam them down into the weeds and I don't think this one would look right done that way so I'll keep it close to stock. I'll play with that some one the final set of tires is on. I did a quick mock up with some spare wheels and hubcaps I had laying around to see how 700s would look.
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Location: little rock, AR | I really like Patina cars. Thanks for keeping it Dodge with da Cummins. I like the wheel and cap
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| I love steelies and dog dishes, most of my cars end up with them eventually. I have the full caps for my '59, but I've got a set of '60 plym dog dishes that will probably overrule them! Not that it matters, but I approve  |
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Location: Montana | Took a quick pic at the shop this afternoon of the nose. I didn't get to leave the grill completely intact due to making the intercooler, radiator, and fan fit in the allowed space. The grill was kinda rough so I didn't feel bad about doing surgery on it. The blinkers/clearance lights are actually from the front of a 73 Bel Air police car. They had red lenses but I managed to find some amber ones on ebay.
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Location: UK | Wow! Not really my thing the Rat Rod look (with diesels) but there's some excellent fabrication work and ideas.. I'm watching this...
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Location: USA - KY | 
Wow is right..."Artist at Work"!
Great imagination you have there, D11...not to mention a ton of talent.
I especially love the cup holders.
This is a very interesting thread, IMHO.
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Location: Newcastle, NSW AUSTRALIA | All I can say is I like it...While it may not be to every bodies liking There is a ton of great work gone into it.
Can't wait for more pic's
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Location: Montana | I went to my parents place for the New Years weekend to scavenge some more parts. I rounded up the mirrors and the back seat arm rests along with some small odds and ends.
I sure miss living down there in the middle of nowhere. Its very peaceful and calm. No people, no traffic. Just cows and crops. Seems like things move a bit slower there. Took a few pics to explain what I mean.
I'll have some more progress pics in a few days for you guys.
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Location: Muskego, WI | This is quite honestly one of the coolest and most interesting builds I've seen on this forum, excellent execution.
To add to you comments about easy power with diesel, you left out fuel economy. If you drive that car on a long trip it could probably get 30 mpg if you don't go nuts with motor mods. The 5.9 Cummins is also one of the best engines ever built in my opinion, great running and very reliable. I do think that you'll find you can go with lower gears than your 3.23 setup. A lot of the 1st gen cummins dodge truck guys use the 3.07 geared axles with 30 to 35 inch tires and still have plenty of power. I wouldn't be surprised if you ended up with 2.76 gears in that rear end when you're done with it. |
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| Love how you did the floor, that is strong and awesome fab work. When and if I work on my truck I will keep that in mind. I think it works perfect for truck builds that are purpose built.
Is it steel or aluminum diamond plate?
Nice hood scoop as well.
My opinion on the interior is going to be left unsaid lol.
I like the engine and trans set up as well as how you beefed up the frame. That is not for the faint of heart making all the important things line up and work in the end. Nice job! |
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Location: Montana | jboymechanic and 51coronet,
Thanks for the compliments, I appreciate it.
The floor pans are made from 14 ga steel tread plate. Between the floors and the firewall I used just shy of 2 sheets of plate. Everything was measured out, drawn out on cardboard and fit to the floor then transferred onto the steel. Plasma cut out and then bent. I figure I have about 80 hours in the floor with all the fitment, fabrication, and welding |
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| please don't backdump fuel in order to blow pollution to look cool...
its dumb and I don't want to live in China so people can "look" cool... |
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Location: Montana | I guess I'm unfamiliar with the term "backdumping fuel" I'm sure the engine will smoke some simply because of the injection pump mods I've done. |
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Location: Muskego, WI | I believe he's referring to "rollin' coal". |
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Location: Montana | I finally found a good use for a handyman jack. I used the complete pedal assembly from a 96 Dodge pickup and the rubber pads on the pedals just looked off. I welded on a few pieces of the jack and made my accelerator out of it too.
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Location: Montana | I got the fuel tank put in today. I made a plate for the tank to sit on that bolts to the frame in the rear and utilizes the original gas tank strap up front. I used conveyor belting on all the rub points and used straps to bolt the tank down to the plate. My buddy that works at the Kenworth dealer hooked me up on the Aeroquip fuel lines. The filler neck is yet to be done but we're getting there.
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| jboymechanic - 2016-01-05 12:52 PM I believe he's referring to "rollin' coal". Yes this... Starting to ban and fine the hell out of people. What's funny is these morons somehow think no one has a car camera? Heck its becoming more and more common. I grabbed one a few days ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_coal |
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Location: Montana | Yes there are many of diesel owners who have modified their vehicles to roll a nice thick cloud of coal. However what I have built is simply a toy. Not a daily driver. It may offend some, maybe you. I do not expect everyone to accept what I do, but resorting to a dash cam.....really??
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Location: So. Cal | Your vehicle would be exempt from this law in most states (except Colorado and probably others) because of how old it is anyway. But nevertheless, I don't understand any kind of cool factor in puking smoke. Cool is in performance and style. |
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Location: Perth Australia | I have to admit that I would not be happy having to breathe those fumes if i was stuck behind that ratty above and be even less impressed if it covered my car in the oily soot that it was spewing out
Look cooler if that was 20 foot flames coming out
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Location: Muskego, WI | Like most things in life than are great, a few morons ruin them for everyone. Diesels get a bad rep from the few morons that think it's funny to lay out a layer of smog on others. I think diesel engines are great, but currently they are going through the same emissions growing pains that gas engines went through in the 70s and 80s. The early Cummins 5.9 are great because they are so simple, powerful, efficient and reliable. Clean, however, not so much. |
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Location: Montana | I got my rear view mirrors picked out and one put on today. They came off of a 66 Dodge pickup.
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Location: Montana | Got both of them on. Amazing how easily they went on considering they were designed to go on pickups and trucks. I love how they look since you never see them in this application.
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Location: Montana | I got the wiring harness today. I went with a Rebel Wires brand. It's an 8 circuit harness which is perfect for the small amount of electronic stuff in the car. Everything is labeled on each wire and they give you plenty to work with. Even a good instruction booklet if you have questions. I thought the price was pretty decent at $165. The best part...Made in America.
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Location: Valley Forge, Pa. | I am not in favor on the modifying something rare, antique, or unusual but who am I to say anything as I took a rare triple black low milage 1970 Montew Carlo SS 454 with 31 options and converted it to 4WD then destroyed it. Besides, unless this car is totally destroyed, it looks real solid and much of it may find its way back to its origins some day?
IF you are going to modify the rear wheel wells to accomodate, please take some time and remove the wheel well lips. They are really hard to build and I would like to find some nice ones.
Oh, I like the pedals but I have slipped off a clutch enough times to see a potential ankle shreadding?
Enjoy!
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Location: atlanta | Nice to see Your not modding it to much, You may want to restore it back to stock one day! and as my Korean ex-wife used to say " U Craygee "
Nice work, very creative, and way better than having it demo derby'd and then crushed, gonna be a fun ride. |
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Location: Montana | I had to find a new place to park my project. Had a bit of a falling out with my shops owner. Anyways it now has a home under my carport and I'll cover it until I get set up with a new place.
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Location: little rock, AR | Arkansas sounds like a good place to leave it. lol I had 2 of those but other projects kept me from fixing them. |
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Location: Montana | The driveshaft showed up yesterday. For any of you guys who are needing a shaft built I would highly recommend Denny's Driveshafts out of Buffalo NY. Their customer service is incredible and they are very knowledgeable. They make the ordering process super easy with all their premade measurement forms. They beat my local Inland Truck Parts by $200 and that included being shipped to me. Plus a warranty on welds and materials. And to top it all off he tossed in a t shirt and some stickers. I've spent way more with other companies and haven't been treated nearly as well as these guys did. Give em a call.
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Location: Montana | I've been building some of the brake lines lately. I decided to go with Aeroquip braided stainless lines. They are kinda spendy but I think they are worth it in the long run.
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Location: little rock, AR | Too much LITE will make you go DARK. Great looking ride!!! |
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Location: Montana | Since I buried the batteries way in the rear of the car I wanted a way to get to them without opening everything up. I needed a way to jump start someone and charge mine if they went dead. Easiest thing I could think of was remote lugs for a drag car. Worked out quite well. I ended up using about 30 feet of 00 welding cable for my battery leads between the lugs, batteries, and all the way up to the starter and engine block.
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Location: Montana | I'm continuing to work in the wiring. This is far from my best skill so it takes me quite awile to do it. I got my blinker dash indicators and high beam indicator lights put in the dash too. Not sure what they came out of but they are genuine old school lights.
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Location: Montana | It's been awile since I got to post anything on this but I've made some good progress. I'll post up some more pics soon for you guys. |
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Location: Montana | I rolled the car across the scale today. Minus what I weigh the car sits a just a shade over 5000 lbs. I was actually a bit surprised. I was expecting a bit heavier than that.
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Location: Montana | I've been doing some finishing touches with the car. I got the filler neck built and the cup holders welded down too
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Location: Montana | Wiring and I do not really get along so it took me a bit to get this mess of wires put in the proper place. It all worked out pretty well though.
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Location: somerville mass | THIS THING IS GONNA SCARE THE CHIT OUT OF
PEOPLE WHEN THEY SEE THIS THING BEHIND THEM
WHAT THE F%&K WHAT THE HELL IS THAT! THE
SOUND ALONE LOOKS LIE IT CAN RUN CARS OFF THE
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Location: Vancouver, Washington | I love your project !!! Way creatively eclectic and very cool!! |
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Location: Montana | Thank you! It's been a long 2 years building it but finally getting to drive it has made the time and effort totally worth it. |
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Location: Montana | I ended up doing somthing different with the wheels and tires. I was going to use max wedge hub caps on black steel wheels but I just didn't think they fit in with the farm theme of everything else on the car. I got a set of white spokes and some 7.00 15 diggers. I think it suits the car better. I still have a set of smooth aluminum wheels too that I might mount some less agressive tires on for longer trips so I don't have to listen to the tires whine for hours on end.
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Location: Montana | For anyone who is interested in using a Bilstein shock on the front of a car like this, I found a very clean way to do it. Obivously I have some suspension modifications that most people won't but I think this could work for most applications.
I simply cut the washer out of the top of the shock tower and inserted a 2" pipe nipple 4" inches long into the tower until about 1/4" before the top threads was still showing and gave me a place to weld it in. You may need to grind a very small amount of the outside diameter of the pipe nipple to get it to fit inside the shock tower. It will be a tight fit.
I used a shock intended for a 2wd Dodge pickup with a Cummins and independent front suspension - Bilstein part # 24-184847. This slides very nicely inside the pipe nipple. It is close tolerance but works without rubbing.
I then drilled a pipe cap to fit the rubber bushings and threaded the top on and bolted it all together. The bracket on the lower control arms needs to be fabricated to accomodate the wider shock eye, but it's not terribly hard to do.
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| Man I'd love to c this thing I was going to put a duramax in my imperial but had the factory motor re done. My loss I guess cool car though it's you style and that's how it should be |
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Location: Montana | Well after today I have the first 100 miles on the wagon and I have to say I'm extremely happy with the results. The car rides very very well going down the road. Pretty much floats even with the stiff suspension up front. It steers very well. It does have a touch of bump steer but I was expecting some degree of that due to the major change I did with the rack and pinion there. It's slightly noticeable but far from unbearable. The transmission shifts great and is quiet. I was a bit nervous since it was my first rebuild. I had ever done one but it goes to show with a bit a patients and the right rebuild manual it's pretty simple. The engine runs amazing. I have all the power I need for now but I'm sure once I become accustomed to it I'll want to spring for bigger injectors and a new turbo. All in all its a super fun ride The looks on people's faces when they see an old station wagon and then hear a dodge pickup. .....priceless.
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Location: little rock, AR | NO video or it didn't happen!!!
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Location: Montana | I got the center console / toolbox done today. I picked up a 20mm ammo can from the Army Navy surplus store and used it. Im not sure why but this one had been crudely painted red but it fit in well with the seats. I had to cut a little over 3 inches off the bottom to get the height I was looking for but I still have a bunch of room inside. I want to add a toolbox tray that lifts out to hold all my odds n ends above the tools below. It works great for an armrest too unless the sun had been beating on it all afternoon....ouch!!
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Location: Vancouver, Washington | man that looks right at home... those seat covers are something else. Can't wait to see this thing in it's final stage |
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