57 Fireflite Sportsman 4DHT
57Groucho
Posted 2014-08-07 1:17 AM (#451894)
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Hello all, I'm new to the site and a new forward look owner. I picked up this not so little lady in beautiful Bismarck ND at auction last weekend. I had been eying her up online for a few years on the Hernando's Hideaway website, when I heard they were auctioning all the project /parts cars I had to jump on it. I was bidding against a fellow who's plan it was to strip her and crush the remains. I think she's way too nice for that fate so I'm glad I saved her. My plan, obviously, is to return her to her former glory. In the short term I'm going to just get her on the road. She's got the 341 Hemi 4 barrel dual exhaust, which turns over like butter. The engine bay is all present and accounted for, besides the generator and belts. The floors and rockers are rock solid and the trunk seems fairly solid too. The body is pretty nice, some minor rust around the rear wheel wells and headlight buckets. The stainless is mostly there, I'm going to need a front bumper, headlight mounts/surrounds and hood ornaments - so if you guys have a line on any of those parts let me know! The interior is complete and restorable, the headliner is really nice besides one mouse hole (little bas***d). Anyway, enough blathering - without further ado -



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VAN HELSING
Posted 2014-08-07 2:12 AM (#451897 - in reply to #451894)
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Hey there Groucho Dan, welcome on board, good on ya for saving another one from being stripped and crushed, hope you get it on the road where it should be ( not enroute to China ).

Love those 57 rear end shots , make sure you keep the pics flowing as you get on with the rebuild.

Cheers from Australia,

Terry.

P.S You don't look too "Groucho " in the selfie shot !!

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Posted 2014-08-07 5:14 AM (#451905 - in reply to #451894)
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Good for you Groucho all you need is a cigar!
Great potential,
Loved that another 57 has been given a new chance. please keep those photos coming

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Posted 2014-08-07 6:00 AM (#451908 - in reply to #451894)
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Great score, Dan! Welcome to the forum here and keep us updated with your progress with the old girl!
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Posted 2014-08-07 7:25 AM (#451912 - in reply to #451894)
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Yep, she's a keeper, Dan! Thanks for joining us. Please consider also joining the National DeSoto Club, where I'm the tech coordinator for 1957 models. I also sent you a personal message on this board, which you can check by going to the top of a page here, to where it says you have a message in your inbox.
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Posted 2014-08-07 7:34 AM (#451913 - in reply to #451894)
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Welcome and congratulations for saving one beautiful car from the crusher.
Good luck with the restoration and with finding the necessary parts.
This is the right place to find advice and parts for the De Soto.
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57Groucho
Posted 2014-08-07 9:37 PM (#451996 - in reply to #451894)
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You couldn't have paid me to look the Groucho part that day Terry! I'll definitely join the desoto club, I can use all the help /knowledge I can get. I'm glad you all like her! I just made the road trip from Minneapolis to Columbus for the Mopar Nats, drop me a line if anyone is going to be out here and I'll try to find you.
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d500neil
Posted 2014-08-07 9:44 PM (#451999 - in reply to #451996)
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Nice!

Welcome aboard.

Hope that you restore your ride.

Do you know about SMS auto interiors, and Original Auto Interiors?

The latter has had complete upholstery sets, dunno about right-now, or what they might have in stock.

SMS sells OEM upholstery pieces, but also creates complete door trim panels.






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57Groucho
Posted 2014-08-07 9:47 PM (#452000 - in reply to #451894)
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Oh I will definitely restore the Flite, it just might take a while. B-)
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Posted 2014-08-07 9:59 PM (#452001 - in reply to #451999)
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Very nice! Congratulations! Don't get too frustrated if parts aren't readily available. We'll try to help out. That's an awesome save!
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57Groucho
Posted 2014-08-07 10:06 PM (#452002 - in reply to #451894)
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I am not familiar with them but that's why I'm here. Thanks for the heads up, I'll check them out for sure.
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57Groucho
Posted 2014-08-07 10:09 PM (#452004 - in reply to #451894)
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Thanks for the complement Tim. I'll try not to get too frustrated and I appreciate the help.
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Posted 2014-08-07 10:37 PM (#452011 - in reply to #452004)
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I really like 4dr HT's. That a great start on a great car. Most of started with less than what you bought. Great save!!!
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57Groucho
Posted 2014-08-07 10:59 PM (#452017 - in reply to #451894)
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Oh yeah for sure, the four door hardtop is exactly what I was looking for.
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57burb
Posted 2014-08-07 11:53 PM (#452026 - in reply to #452017)
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Nice ride! I have a front bumper/grille assembly for that car if you're interested. Going to be a hassle to get it there from Texas, though.

Good luck and keep us posted on your progress!
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57Groucho
Posted 2014-08-08 12:13 AM (#452032 - in reply to #451894)
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Yeah, I'd be very interested. I think you're right about shipping though.
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Posted 2014-08-08 12:27 AM (#452035 - in reply to #452032)
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d500neil
Posted 2014-08-08 1:39 AM (#452044 - in reply to #452035)
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Does the OEM brass tag still exist on the carb?

One extremely rare component that your ride still has is its 'masonite' type headliner.

We call parts that are very difficult to find :"Unobtanium".

The 'cardboard' sunvisors can have their vinyl selvage be replaced and re-stitched; be very careful about protecting the headliner & sunvisors.

Also, 4-door hardtops are rare-survivors due to the careless-heavy daily "family-type" wear and tear that they sustained.

They are very prone to having rattles and leakages, both of which you can address during the restoration.

Job-1 will be getting it drivable, in whatever physical condition it may be in.

Driving it will allow you to understand its rattles and leakages and panel-alignments situation.

Restoring a 4-door hardtop is not a simple easy thing to do, in making it tight and leak proof.

But, it can be done and we are here to help you along the path of driver-ness...







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d500neil
Posted 2014-08-08 1:52 AM (#452047 - in reply to #451894)
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Also, there will be some discussions, later, about your courage in having the exhaust pipes exit through the bumpers, like God
and Exner intended.

There are easy ways to allow the exhaust to exit through the bumper 'pods', without having corrosion occur to/on the exhaust pipes
or to the bumper.

You and others will love seeing the exhaust flowing out of the bumper pods!

But, that will have to occur a long time from now.


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Posted 2014-08-08 6:56 AM (#452057 - in reply to #451894)
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Congratulations, 57Groucho!

You have great taste in cars, my friend!

I really like the last photo - that is one happy DeSoto owner sitting in the driver's seat!

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Posted 2014-08-08 12:48 PM (#452103 - in reply to #451894)
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Good to see another one saved. Looks like a decent builder, too!

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Posted 2014-08-08 4:51 PM (#452125 - in reply to #452103)
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Very Nice DeSoto Project

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57Groucho
Posted 2014-08-08 6:53 PM (#452137 - in reply to #451894)
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Neil, I'm not sure about the brass tag, I'll have to take a look next time I'm out to where it's being stored. I was impressed by how nice the headliner was when I got it. There is a hole behind /above the passenger visor though, Is that going to be repairable? My plan is definitely to get her on the road and see what I'm dealing with. Not to mention it'll be fun to get to play with her for a while before starting the serious restoration. I appreciate your willingness to help me out. We can fight those blue avatar people over the unobtanium together. It is definitely part of my plan to have the exhaust exit through the bumper pods as it should. I'll have to pick your brain about that later.
Fin, thanks for the complement and I am very happy with my purchase. I've been dreaming about exactly this car for a long long time so I'm thrilled to finally have one!
John, my sentiments exactly. I hate to see them crushed and unappreciated.
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d500neil
Posted 2014-08-09 3:08 PM (#452239 - in reply to #451894)
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Dan, if it is merely a 'hole', you can scour the various national wrecking yards, even Big M, on this site, and see if they have any
57 DeSoto headliner remnants.

Also, a good headliner panel can be cut/formed, and stitched to create new sunvisors...but that would have to be done by
a dedicated shop, familiar with the process.

Since the hole is hidden by the sun visor, you probably can, carefully, cut out a matching area of the headliner remnant and white-glue it
into place.

You are also fortunate that the hole is unobtrusive, so that you have the luxury of not having to be in a rush to try to find that headliner
remnant...which may not be easy to find (or not; you never know..)

The existing headliner panels probably-all match each other's general appearance, so you would not want to (have to) replace one or
more entire panel-pieces.

Briefly, on the exhaust ports: you will install corrosion-proof "aluminized" exhaust pipes (which look like new OEM steel)....and you can coat
the inside of the pods with high-heat 'aluminum' paint; the inside-parts of the pods should be stainless steel, or, you can have a shop
make up stainless steel walls/panels as necessary inside the pods, to replace any vulnerable steel parts/pieces in it.





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FIN ME
Posted 2014-08-10 11:08 AM (#452306 - in reply to #451894)
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I do admire your goal to have the exhaust exit through the pods, 57Groucho! I had planned on going that route too...until I had to pay for the re-chroming of the rear light towers, and for a set of reproduction rear light lenses. Ouch! I'm ashamed to say that I totally chickened out after that...squawk!

The exhaust pods on my car had already been re-chromed by the second to last owner (over twenty years ago) who routed the exhaust to the underside of the car at that time, and they still looked good, so I left them be. The oily grime from back in the day, was still stubbornly clinging to the inside of the ports. I left it there as a homage to the history of the ports...historical grime?...ah well, I like it.

I was also lucky when it came to the shape of the light towers; all they needed was a good, cosmetic overhaul. Hopefully the light towers on your car don't need much work; they look to be in good shape, judging from your photos. Some folks have removed the rear light towers from their '57 DeSotos only to have them practically crumble in their hands. (57desoto (above) came up with a great solution for one of his cars when he needed a new light tower.) They are rare-ish and expensive items to replace, IF you can find them.

The rear antennae on your car also look good, so it seems? You are lucky if that is the case. They can also be rather pricey little items to replace, IF you can find them too.

Hopefully you will be able to find a replacement panel for the front of your car's headliner. It seems that most '57 Mopars leaked more often in the rear than they did in the front, although I've not confirmed that with an official poll. LOL So you might have some luck finding a donor front end panel IMHO.

You have found one GREAT car, 57Groucho!




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57Groucho
Posted 2014-08-12 3:50 PM (#452654 - in reply to #451894)
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Neil, I'm glad that there is an option for repair seeing as how the headliner falls in the unobtainium category. It is just a hole but a rather ragged one. I think for the present I'll go with the option of letting it be hidden behind the visor. The material that's falling off if the visors doesn't look to be damaged, seems like they fell apart at the seams so I'm hoping that they're salvageable.

Fin, I don't blame you for 'chickening' out on the exhaust pods. It is currently my plan but I may end up chickening out too. It sounds like Neil has some simple plans to keep everything looking nice though. In any case, I've got plenty of time to think about it. I like the historical grime, I'll keep that at least. Lol The light towers are going to need some cosmetic work but they are solid, hopefully they stay that way when I take them out. Where did you get replacement lenses from anyway? I'm going to need a few. Looks can be deceiving, the antennae are there but not in great shape, one likes to fall out. Hopefully I'll get lucky with those and the headliner panel. Thanks for the complement, I think she's pretty great myself. Lol

I'm already getting good advice /information from you guys, I appreciate it.
-Dan
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d500neil
Posted 2014-08-12 4:53 PM (#452660 - in reply to #451894)
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Don't chicken out, Dan!

One primary reason that the bumper pods rusted out was due to the cars' daily short-trip usage....in all kinds of nasty weather.

Same thing with the 57-58 Dodge exhaust extensions.

Suffice it to say that all we hobbyists should fully warm up our rides every time that we take them out to exercise them.

It is the residual exhaust condensation and acids that corrode our car's mufflers, exhaust pipes and bumpers.

In the winter time, I never turn off the engine until the exhaust condensation goes away, and, even then, I'll gun the throttle just to
ensure that no liquid crap goes out the pipes.

I'll also reach under the bumper and happily burn the finger tips, to confirm that, if the far-end of the pipes are hot, the mufflers gotta be
dried out internally.

With aluminized pipes, you'll have no problems with corrosion occurring at/on the end of the pipes, where they rise up to the exhaust pods.

High heat 'aluminum' paint looks like unpolished chrome, and the interior of the pods will get all-sooty but the hi-heat aluminum paint will keep them
from corroding.

Let's see your headliner and visors' condition.

Fortunately, you don't need a perfect-condition, complete headliner panel, but each marque has a different paint-pattern on their headliners.



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Posted 2014-08-12 5:47 PM (#452670 - in reply to #451894)
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Very nice and good luck with the restoration , all of us here at the foward look site would like to see before , during and after photos .
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Posted 2014-08-12 5:48 PM (#452672 - in reply to #451894)
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Very nice and good luck with the restoration , all of us here at the foward look site would like to see before , during and after photos . Other foward lookers are also willing to help out. take things 1 step at a time

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57desoto
Posted 2014-08-12 7:32 PM (#452677 - in reply to #451894)
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Dan, did you get my PM?
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57Groucho
Posted 2014-08-12 9:39 PM (#452688 - in reply to #451894)
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Steph, thanks for the encouragement. I'll definitely be taking tons of pictures along the way. Unfortunately the car is being stored in Bismarck where my father lives and where the auction was (that was a happy coincidence) so the pictures might be a bit far between but there will be plenty, I assure you. Lol

Edward, I did get your PM. I'm just a little slow and didn't realize that I should scroll down the message. Oops
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Posted 2014-08-13 12:08 AM (#452704 - in reply to #451894)
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Congrats on the '57 DeSoto! I'm a new DeSoto owner this week too!!
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Posted 2014-08-13 12:11 AM (#452705 - in reply to #451894)
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57Groucho
Posted 2014-08-13 9:49 AM (#452750 - in reply to #451894)
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57Groucho
Posted 2014-08-13 9:53 AM (#452751 - in reply to #451894)
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Neil, sounds like it shouldn't be too hard to keep the tail end nice, I'm sure I'll end up routing the exhaust through the pods. I'll take some more pictures when I'm out to where it's stored again, it might be a couple weeks though. It's killing me not being able to work on it every day!
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Posted 2014-08-13 11:34 AM (#452766 - in reply to #451894)
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Here are some pics to help you understand how the exhaust ends are made. Not quite as easy to route things up there as you might think, since the space is limited and the bends are tight. The "new" pictures are how my local shop made the tailpipe extensions, and obviously, the rusty but unused extensions are originals. The gold-painted (yuk!) venturi are what physically fit into the bumper ends, and to which the tailpipe extensions clamp. Then the exhaust "main" pipe slips into the bell-end of the extension. The rusted-out versions are what was on my Adventurer.

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d500neil
Posted 2014-08-13 3:56 PM (#452787 - in reply to #451894)
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YUP, the tail pipe rusts out because it was formed from steel, and because there was/were not sufficient "weep holes" cut into the bottom
of the up-turns, so that condensing water could leak out, instead of collecting in that depression.

The far-ends of an exhaust system are obviously the coldest/wettest area of the entire system.

The INTERIOR of the snorkles...and the inside of the chromed-steel exhaust pods (and the bumpers, too, WTH...) should be heavily painted in high-heat aluminum; you can see how rough their un-finished inside surface area is/are.





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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-08-13 8:39 PM (#452817 - in reply to #451894)
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Nice car! Did Groucho send ya?
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57Groucho
Posted 2014-08-14 9:31 PM (#452960 - in reply to #451894)
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Edward- thanks for the pics. It does look pretty tight in there. I'm going to send away for the build records from Chrysler as soon as I remember to print the form out at work. I'm pretty stoked about that. I'm hoping that I have the original drivetrain in there.

Neil - It definitely seems that the engineers could've put more thought in to this system, but that would've made things too easy for us!

Randy - That's what I told em!
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d500neil
Posted 2014-08-14 11:58 PM (#452970 - in reply to #452960)
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The chasses/drivelines were engineered.

The bodies were designed (and quickly, too; the 57's were brought out with only two years' lead time...and it 'showed' quickly).

By 1959, the bodies were relatively very well constructed.






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57Groucho
Posted 2014-08-15 9:48 AM (#453002 - in reply to #451894)
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I have heard that the build quality wasn't up to par in '57. You said these rattles can be addressed during the restoration though, right?
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Posted 2014-08-15 11:35 AM (#453019 - in reply to #451894)
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Wonderful project you have there. I look forward to seeing the progression of the restoration. I am new to the FL group, but sure have enjoyed seeing all the great work the various members have done. Have a great time with your '57.
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57Groucho
Posted 2014-08-15 9:59 PM (#453078 - in reply to #451894)
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Thanks Bill! I will surely have fun and I look forward to seeing the progress too!
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Posted 2014-08-16 11:48 AM (#453160 - in reply to #451894)
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57Groucho, I got the reproduction rear lights lenses from Gary Goers. I think that they might have been the last set he had though?

I think that these lenses are still being reproduced in Scandinavia? Some of our Scandinavian pals might know for sure; folks such as "Wizard"?

Great thread!

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57Groucho
Posted 2014-08-18 11:21 PM (#453513 - in reply to #451894)
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You got the last ones huh? Oh well, I'll be making a few posts in the hopes of scoring some parts here shortly. Everyone get ready to open up your bag of goodies for a fellow FL'er in need!
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Posted 2014-08-19 12:15 AM (#453520 - in reply to #453513)
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Yeah, Dan; during the restoration, just make sure that any and all moving-connections get greased or tightened down (use Loc-Tite
sometimes, because you do not want to have to go back inside some panel or cavity to eliminate some squeak or rattle)..the window
mechanisms will loosen up, over time.

You can apply extra sound deadener to the doors and cavities, to prevent resonances; even sprayed 'styrofoam' insulation and fiberglass batting...
once the panel-cavities are closed up, by/with the interior trim panels, only you'll know what lies beneath all of that silence and solid-ness.

There are sound-deadening mats that go under the carpeting, which will keep the interior cooler and quieter, too.

All kinds of things that get 'hidden' up...

You want the doors to close solidly, with a 'thunk', and not a 'clatter'







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57Groucho
Posted 2014-08-23 12:48 AM (#453967 - in reply to #451894)
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Very good thinking Neil, I'll definitely keep that in mind. In fact I'll probably go way overboard with that, I'm something of a perfectionist. Which I suppose lends itself to this hobby.
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Posted 2014-08-31 10:07 PM (#454861 - in reply to #451894)
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Welcome to the site and congrats on getting the car! Has to feel great to get it after watching it for so long. Good luck with it!

I just found out about the auction YESTERDAY. An auction that close to home, and I hear nothing... Frustrating! I had a few friends saying "yeah, we were surprised you weren't there" None of them thought to tell me about it, or even call me during, but all were surprised I wasn't there... #%$@%^ !!!!
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Posted 2014-10-15 7:59 PM (#459345 - in reply to #451894)
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That would definitely be frustrating, I'm glad I didn't have another bidder to contend with though! Thanks for the warm welcome.

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Posted 2014-10-16 12:49 AM (#459362 - in reply to #451894)
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Well, I finally got my build card info from Chrysler historical. Most of the information I already knew but there were a few interesting tidbits in there. I was excited to learn that my car still has its original engine. It was a North Dakota car it's whole life which means no salt. I picked it up in Bismarck ND but I live in MN and once you cross the state line into ND there is no rust at all. It seems it was shipped to Main Motors Desoto Plymouth in Minot ND on March 26th 1957, one day after its birthday lol. I was able to find a couple pictures of it on the interweb, one in the "cars in old photos" thread, if anyone has any more information on this dealership I'd love to hear it. Anyway, here are some pics.
-Dan

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Posted 2014-10-16 7:39 AM (#459396 - in reply to #451894)
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Excellent! Thanks for posting and congrats on getting some more info on your car!
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Posted 2014-10-17 3:44 PM (#459539 - in reply to #459396)
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57Groucho
Posted 2014-11-09 3:50 PM (#461393 - in reply to #451894)
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Right on, thank you for posting that pic Paul.
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Posted 2014-11-09 7:59 PM (#461411 - in reply to #461393)
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Marv,

I see you're sick, sick man ....

57 Fireflite AND a 66 Coronet. That's pretty bad.

My shop is plugged up with a 58 Fireflite and a 66 Coronet and it is pretty ugly. As far as I know,
there is no cure or even hope. We can only wish for as little pain as possible.
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Posted 2014-11-09 10:07 PM (#461419 - in reply to #451894)
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I was afraid that it was terminal, now I have confirmation from Dr. Desoto himself. I guess I'll just enjoy the ride as long as I can!
The Coronet was actually my first car. I bought it when I was 15, I made a lot of pizzas at minimum wage for that car. I rode my bike past it all the time eventually I knocked on the door and talked the guy into selling it. It is an original 361 car but had /has a 440 in it out of a 68 C body, torque monster. Let me tell you, that was a lot of car for a high school kid. I was in high school in the late 90s when everyone had a "fast" civic, I never lost a race. Ahh, good times. :-)

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Posted 2014-11-09 10:50 PM (#461421 - in reply to #461419)
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You Coronet sounds like mine. I bought it after my Desoto was wrecked (crashed into by a whacked-out driver)
and was looking for any 66-67 B-body just as reliable long distance transportation. A sedan would have been fine,
and I never expected to stumble into a ragtop, but that's exactly how it happened and I landed a no-rust black car
with black top and white interior car as a straight-across trade for a 74 Power Wagon I had. It was a 273/auto, which
was a gas guzzling, no punch pig. In my search for a 383 drivetrain, I stumbled into a 67 R/T that was later badly
wrecked, and the conversion was made, so now it is a 440 magnum, A-833 4-speed, 3.23 posi car with disc brakes
and sway bars. Way too much power for that car. If I ever get back to it, I may build a 383 for it to get better fuel
economy and tone down the stupid go-fast.
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Posted 2014-11-10 4:40 AM (#461430 - in reply to #451894)
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Awesome car thanks for sharing

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57Groucho
Posted 2014-11-10 9:33 AM (#461446 - in reply to #451894)
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Wow, that was a great find Doc and a hell of a deal with that trade. Out of curiosity, what kind of fuel economy do you get with the 440 4 speed combo? What gears are you running?

Thanks Fins, I hope to make it into an awesome car one day at least.
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Posted 2014-11-10 10:15 AM (#461449 - in reply to #461446)
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I have only taken it on one long excursion, and averaged 14 mpg. Around town, it is awful.
More like 14gpm ! Gears are 3.23 posi.

Funny, but the guy I got it from bought it for his wife. She didn't like it because it messed her hair up.

It had been sitting in an unused horse pasture with a for sale sign on it long enough for the sign to completely
fade to yellow. Perhaps a bad selling location ??? All four tires and wheels were mis-
matches, and I wore the treads down to steel belts on the 200 mile drive home ! Also managed to
suck down TWO tanks of gas with that 273 on the same trip !!! It really was in the wrong hands with that crew.
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Posted 2014-11-10 8:22 PM (#461526 - in reply to #451894)
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14, nice. That's better than most 4 wheel drive trucks if we're honest with ourselves. It's pretty cool that you were even able to drive it home that far, but those 66s have a big fuel tank so that's some pretty god awful mileage! I never did figure out my fuel economy, but gas was $1/gal. Mine was an auto but I loved my 3.23 gears, with a stock cam it made so much torque down low that it would still burn the hides off into 2nd gear and it was nice on the highway. I think they're the perfect street ratio. I started the restoration on it years ago, it's still not done, you know how life gets in the way. Anyway, I had an older guy who had an r/t and used to race them in the 70s helping me out. So I ended up with an "old school" build; .509 cam, mild head work, single plane intake, ridiculous converter, manual valve body, 3.91 gears. I haven't even driven it yet and I'm already thinking about going back to a much milder setup. I'll see how I like it first though, Brainerd raceway isn't too terribly far away. ;-)


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Posted 2014-12-08 12:40 AM (#463951 - in reply to #451894)
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I scored a big piece of the puzzle last weekend! I got a killer deal on it too. It's in really nice shape, just a couple of small dents. The bumper guard is dented and there's a little bit of rust on it, but may be fixable? What you see on it is dirt and ice, I didn't have time to clean it up and it was too cold and windy anyway but a little polishing and I think it'll do until I get everything else done. I'm lucky that my girlfriend is in to cars and wants to learn more as we restore the Flite, and that she's willing to walk the junkyards with me when is 8° and windy as hell. I couldn't resist having her hold the bumper in place for a pic... Anyway, I'm psyched!



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Posted 2014-12-08 1:45 AM (#463952 - in reply to #463951)
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IIRC, one of the Desoto front bumper guards rusted out a lot worse than its opposite side piece....right????



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Posted 2014-12-08 10:06 AM (#463974 - in reply to #451894)
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You got me there Neil
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Posted 2015-02-17 10:48 PM (#470334 - in reply to #463974)
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I am really interested in how this is progressing. Any new updates Groucho? Very cool car.
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Posted 2015-02-18 1:43 AM (#470341 - in reply to #451894)
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Well right now I'm just collecting parts a little bit at a time. Odds and ends on ebay and I got everything to redo the brakes from B&E the other day. There's a bunch more that I need yet though. The big issue I have is that the car is in Bismarck ND and I'm just north of Minneapolis MN. The car is going to be coming here as early in spring as I can manage, then the progress will begin (hopefully). My plan is to go through it mechanically first. I'm going to try to get it running and driving and see where I'm at. Hopefully I can accomplish that without having to pull the driveline out. The engine turns freely but I'm not sure if the extra set of pistons in the trunk is a good or bad omen. Lol I'm hoping to get it to the Back to the 50s car show at the MN state fairgrounds in 2016, not restored mind you just driving more or less as is. I hope to meet some forward look folks in MN that will help me out and give me some direction. Then I'll likely take it all the way apart after that, but we will see what life throws at me between now and then. Lol
Thanks for the interest / complement.
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Posted 2015-02-20 10:01 PM (#470563 - in reply to #470341)
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Thanks for the update. Four door hardtops are pretty rare so I am glad to see this one get some love.
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Posted 2016-05-19 10:14 AM (#511953 - in reply to #451894)
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It's time for a long overdue update... She's alive! I finally got it running. It started right up and runs really well, quiet valvetrain and bottom end and good oil pressure. In the video it sounds like there is a lifter tick but that must be from the microphone on my phone. I put it in gear and the trans works as well, so do all the gauges. Now it's time to get the brakes done and go for a spin. I'm going to need to get my fenders figured out too, I really need a left fender with a dual headlight bucket that isn't rusty, it can be trash everywhere else, help with this would be appreciated... Here's a link to the video on YouTube, I'm the one with the starter trigger in my hand and the smile on my face... Enjoy!

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Posted 2016-05-19 11:12 AM (#511958 - in reply to #451894)
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Ah, that's a great feeling! Nice carb and intake too!
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57Groucho
Posted 2016-05-19 12:27 PM (#511962 - in reply to #451894)
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Definitely a good feeling. I went with the Eddy carb to eliminate as many variables as possible, it'll be my first carb rebuild when I do mine. The intake is actually a stock one that I had sandblasted to make sure there weren't any cracks and to get the orange paint off, I painted it to keep it from rusting. I'm really happy with the way it turned out.
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Posted 2016-05-19 7:51 PM (#511985 - in reply to #511962)
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Sweet. Always nice when it still runs decent. The 331 hemi motor that I put into my '56 Savoy was pulled directly out of a wrecking yard. I have put about 15K miles on it so far after just replacing the carb, electronic ignition upgrade, fuel pump and water pump. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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Posted 2016-05-19 8:35 PM (#511987 - in reply to #451894)
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I know that feeling of, Will It Run??? My '59 D-500 gave me the same feeling of joy when it fired up and the lifters calmed down. Congrats on a sweet 4dr HT.
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Posted 2016-05-20 9:28 AM (#512016 - in reply to #451894)
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Marv, its good to see another car back in live. I have done almost the same - first start of motor - after I assemble the motor into the car.
(BTW, what have you done with the WCFB Carb)
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57Groucho
Posted 2016-05-20 10:30 AM (#512022 - in reply to #451894)
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Powerflite- Those are wise words. Hopefully mine will hold up as well as yours has. It's not pretty but I want to drive and enjoy it for a while before I start worrying about cosmetics.

Oldwood- it is a great feeling, I'm betting the first drive edges it out though, I'll find out soon enough. I've always liked the 4DHTs, you don't see many around, I'm glad that I found a decent one.

Tom - You'll have to post up a video when you get your car running. I still have the WCFB, complete with ID tag, I just don't trust my carb rebuild skills so I wanted to start it using a known good carb. I'm probably going to use the Edelbrock for a while though.

My brake parts just showed up this morning, hopefully I'll have time to get some work done on the car this coming week (I work weekends, nights to boot).
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Posted 2016-06-03 9:51 PM (#513147 - in reply to #451894)
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Very cool! I remember how it felt to get my 57 Belvedere started the first time.
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