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Location: Torino - Italy | Hello Guys , this is my 1957 Desoto Adventurer Convertible , I finally publish photos....I bought this car from a dear friend collectorman, I started the restoration about 4 months ago, really difficult restoration.... if anyone has info of this car, I am pleased Raffaele  [/IMG] [/IMG]
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Location: Netherlands | You're getting right to it it seems!
Congrats and good luck with the cool project.
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Location: North of Sweden | Geez, you got a lot of work ahead of you...
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Location: Torino - Italy | This Adventurer was sold the first time in Long Island, then other owners in Iowa, found more than twenty years ago in a farming area without engine .....grew a tree in the engine compartment !!! , no joke !
purchased by an Italian collector, but had never been initiated work...now I'm rebuilding the body ... but the poor condition...I miss several parts, windshield molding ... convertible frame is very rust,if anyone know other information of the history of this car..... |
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Location: North of Sweden | Is this the car that "roadkillontheweb" sold a couple of years ago?
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Location: bishop, ca | Looks like the car might have been white, that someone re-painted in black.
It would certainly be interesting if your car could speak, to relate its working life history.
Looks like it lead a real working-man's existence, and may have been parked outside for much
of its lifetime, too.
Now, wouldn't it be great to sit around a roaring fireplace, with suitable anti-freeze in hand,
and listen to the stories it could tell??
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Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | That is a Cool Project raffaele,, Please post Updated Pics of the Progress as and when you do it.... |
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Location: Connecticut | How is the frame ? With so much floor rust, the upsweep on the frame must be in pretty poor condition. I'm sure that the X-piece is reusable, due to its thickness. Ron
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Location: NY & VT | Brave of you to undertake such a project, in a place where parts are unobtainium no less... one small comment - I'd have rolled the factory beads in the trunk floor for rigidity and correctness, but that's just me. |
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Location: bradenton florida | Wow looks like i'm in good company. you have a head start on me there. where did you get your lower quater panels? i'm going to have to replace my interior floors and trunk also. |
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Location: Torino - Italy | what is " factory beads on the floor " ???? ...frame is in very good condition, although the car has been abandoned for many years , only little rust on the rear rail , thanks for your comment |
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Location: Torino - Italy | rear quarter panel can be purchased on ebay |
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Location: Torino - Italy | yes this is Desoto from Roadkillontheweb !! |
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Location: Mishawaka, IN. | Hey Raffaele great start on you conv. also if anybody would need an X brace I have one it came from a 59 d-500 conv. not much was saveable in the rear but it helped repair the front of my 59 4 dr sed. and would sell the left over X member. Best of luck with your restoration.
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Location: Nasco , SWEDEN | Thank´s for sharing Ralf! you are in my opinion a the great mopar restorer ! Now you have a chance to prove you are one of The Best! Merry christmas! 
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Location: New Castle PA | Your Adventurer was assembled on 3-20-1957, and Neil, you're very observant. The car was originally a PLP paint code, and so should have a gold roof and lower color sweep, with a white body. |
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Ma cazzo di Buddha, che macchina! 
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Location: Netherlands | raffaplymouth - 2009-12-23 1:42 AM
what is " factory beads on the floor " ????
He means; why didn't you make 'grooves' in the sheetmetal?
Just like the factory did to make the metal stronger and not have it make an "oil can"-noise when you put some weight on it and the metal bends.
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this desoto project looks like quite a job , looks like a dedicated person is up for the task WOW I am sure it will be awesome when done.
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Location: bishop, ca | Raffaele, how many leafsprings does your car have, 6 1/2 ???
What are the part numbers for the torsion bars (seen on the extreme-end of them)?
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Location: Torino - Italy | I have not disassembled the chassis, Monday i check |
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Location: Arvada, Colorado (NW Denver Metro Area) | How is the Convertible top roof rails on your Convert? I looks like a few were bent the wrong way. I have a couple spare parts of the rear side top assembly if you are in need of any.
I bought a replacement floor pan panel off of ebay from a guy in Detroit that had the stress supporting groves hand-machined rolled in and it was perfect panel to splice into the floor of my 59 Plymouth Convert. These grooves do indeed keep the floor pan from "oil canning" and actually give the floor additional strength by these stamped-in grooves. My father, and old Chrysler Stamping Engineer, says it has to do with twisting and torsional vectoring by putting in these grooves in different directions. All I know is it works for flat pans like trunks and floors. Even inner door structures have designed in strengthening contours to provide extra strength.
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Location: Parts Unknown | moparjimmy - 2009-12-23 11:12 PM
Hey Raffaele great start on you conv. also if anybody would need an X brace I have one it came from a 59 d-500 conv. not much was saveable in the rear but it helped repair the front of my 59 4 dr sed. and would sell the left over X member. Best of luck with your restoration.
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The Dodge X-member, while it will fit the DeSoto-Chrysler frame, is not the same as the factory DeSoto-Chrysler X-member. The Dodge-Plymouth unit is notably smaller in the I-beam dimensions. I am not sure how these differences would affect the driveline, but clearances are pretty tight and consideration would have to be given to whether the driveshaft might not clear.
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Location: NY & VT | I love threads like this showing "not-for the faint-of heart" restorations...this one is truly being brought back from the dead! Helps a lot of us realize that our own heaps might eventually see the light of day!
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Location: Torino - Italy | Hello Guys !! , Other pics of 57 ADV , Left door had a shock , i have divided in half , i have sandblast , and change the cover with repro parts  [/IMG] [/IMG]
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where did you find repro door skins?
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Location: bishop, ca | Raffaele, if you and Sven-the-Wizard were ever to get together, I think that the world would fall off of its axis!
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Location: Torino - Italy | raffaplymouth - 2009-12-31 10:30 PM I think from Bob and Gary in San Bernardino CA, was with the car, the car was disassembled 20 years ago ...when I purchased were together many new and repro parts .....no one has started working |
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Location: Australia | just amazing... i think people that are technically minded and can do this kind of work are very very fortunate and talented... keep up the good work... adriana  |
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Location: Big pimpin' | suburban61 - 2009-12-31 10:17 PM
just amazing... i think people that are technically minded and can do this kind of work are very very fortunate and talented... keep up the good work... adriana :)
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Location: Parts Unknown | Dukie's right. I bought my first oldie long before I had a clue. Anything beyond putting gas in it was a black hole of total mystery. But starting with an oil change and just taking things apart to clean them up, one thing after another became clear. You start buying some tools and making some like minded friends and pretty soon you are all sharing information and learning.
Doing this level of bodywork is one of my favorite stages of restoration. I was scared as hell of it before someone walked me through it. I think this was the real turning point for me in tackling a car. Once I had it explained to me that even though it looks like a car to "us", it is really just a pile of metal to a welder / fabricator. just a bunch of cuts and bends and welds. Nothing to be intimidated by.
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A quick word of adice, You may already know, but I am going to present it anyways. Fit the door shell on the car first, After you remove skins the shell will flex, exspecilly the ones without crash bars in them. Alos used a metal adhesive when you put it on. It is stronger then welding and creates a barrier for water so it will not penitrate the seams that you cleaned up. You have to let the door set a few hrs before handling it, meaning trying to twist or such.
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Location: Torino - Italy | thanks for your advice Waine , you mean to put sealant before folding the edge ??
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Location: Torino - Italy | the frame is cleaned. intends to put the sealant into the edge where I indicated with the arrow ???  [/IMG] [/IMG]
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Location: Lordstown, Ohio | Sealant is ok, but the down side of it is, if you need to twist or or the door moves that bond/barrier will be broken allowing the possiblity of corrision to start. If you got a supplier that you get you body materials from such as 3M, LORD Fusor, SEM ask for metal bond adhesive with glass beads. You would put it all the way around that edge, after bothsides are rough up (50grit) to bare steel. Put the adhesive on both pieces with small brush coating both components so no bare steel is shown . Put your skin on, and roll the edge over. You will NOT have to do any welding after it cures clean it up and address the edges/prime/paint
Metal adheives have been used on aircraft for years. Its a common practice with cars today also
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Location: Torino - Italy |
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Location: Lordstown, Ohio | If you roll the edge properly there should be no reason to open that seam. Thats why it important to fit the door to the car and if your flexable enough roll it while on the car. If you got one of the rollers used with a air ratchet, make sure you clean real good when done, even if you use a hammer/dolly clean them too. Rubber gloves might be a good idea also
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Location: Parts Unknown | You guys are either really brave or ..... !
So, how does one take the skin off a door ? Is the skin destroyed in the process ? Tell more about the tools used to do this operation. This is new territory for me.
Door skins, .... are they available as reproduction panels ?
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Location: Lordstown, Ohio | Common practice for removing skins, is to grind the edge until the seam splits, or you see 3 layers of metal. On older cars such as these. you will not find adhesives, sealers or ahything, but rust inside them. Thats why older cars the doors began to "flap" they rotted away. Water got between the seams, no where to go and corrosion starts. This is real common in the area in which I live. You have salt on roads during winter and now some sort of chemical that they spray on the roads is worse.
If one wast oremove a skin, its border line foolish to me. The only reason to replace a skin is for the damage being more severe that its not worth straightening, or its rusted. So if you found a good door with a nice skin, you should just use that door. I don't know if this caused more confusion or helps. The way I see it, is if its made of wood steel plastic or alum you can do anything with it
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Location: Parts Unknown | I have no shortage of doors. We don't have that rust problem.
So, to walk through the process anyway ...
You grind the edge to peel the old skin, thereby destroying the skin by losing that bent over flange part that you would need to put the skin back on, right ?
So, with the skin removed, you could now blast and clean the door interior before painting.
With the door all pretty inside, you could now replace the skin, but with the original destroyed, you now need to find a replacement !
What is the point if no skin replacement is available ?
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Location: Lordstown, Ohio | Thats the whole idea. If you got a good door there no need to remove the skin. Simply pointless to do so. BUT,.....if one is really bent on painting theinside of the door shell, you could drill the spot welds thru the first layer only. Spend painstaking time and turmoil and slowly unbend the flange and work the skin off the shell. By doing all this, you have created a new monster, warping the outer sheetmetal. So now when you go to put that skin back on you have more work for yourself. If you got a good door use it. If you got replacement skins use them. Or if you really like making things difficult on yourself take the skin off either way and spend about 20-30 extra hours of needless work in your project.
A little side note, I have in the past with car from the 30's when making consistant gaps, either ground awy some of the edge and weld it back together, or if there was more needed, weld to the existing edge
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Location: Torino - Italy | Guys , good consideration, replace these skins is for big impact irreparable or so rusty
it, although not easy to find door skin,..... I can not proceed because these days you can not find the sealant indicated by Wain, you can just put more pictures..... Waine ,I only have my doubts about how to fold the edge, I don't have machines for rolling, I thought to heat and hammering |
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The steel is soft enough that yopu need no heat. Put a good smooth flat dolly on the outside edge of the door. Hammer the edge over in slow increments about 6" at a time until its completely flat. Once you get it flat in a area make that path longer. IMPORTANT!! Do all 4 corners FIRST then bottom then front or rear of door
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Location: Upplands Väsby, Sweden | Hej Raffaele must say -You do a very serios jobb at your DeSoto conv. Fun to see a nice resultat.
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Raffaele, this is an impressive work - the concentration shows in your face (did you bite your tounge ) sei un cinghiale bianco - un lavoro di un artista! |
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Location: Nasco , SWEDEN | Very nice work! This kind of craftmanship is a must when tackling such a Big project, keep up the good work Ralf and Happy new year!
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Location: Torino - Italy | Rear quarter is for sale on ebay !! reproduced quite well, no big problems to mount |
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | As always, its very interesting to follow the work of a craftsman! I don't like the hood reinforcement thought ... 
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Location: Torino - Italy | the 2 edges of the hood was very bent ... I could not do otherwise, the plate was unnerved |
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Location: Torino - Italy | hello Guys !! , if anyone have photos of the convertible folding, I would need to rebuild my... thanks |
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Location: Arvada, Colorado (NW Denver Metro Area) | Raffaele, I emailed the picture of a Folding top on a 59 Chrysler to you that I had on file. (to help me put mine back together...) I will post it here for all. I believe I have one more to find, but have not located it yet , but I should find it shortly.
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Location: Torino - Italy | thhhanks !! is very important for me !!! if you have more pics of detail .... |
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Location: Torino - Italy | i need also all windshield molding , in my Desoto is missing , very hard to find |
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I have some pictures of Tom Fox's gorgeous 59 Belvedere when he was in Denver on his way to Carlisle. It is a 98/99 points car. These pictures coming up are of Tom's car.
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Shoot the file is to big, I will email them to you now and try to reduce the size so all can see these. I will also go out the garage and take some pictures of my A pillar and Windshield inner and outer convertible pieces.
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Location: Arvada, Colorado (NW Denver Metro Area) | Raffaele, I just sent you some pictures via email of the A pillar trim and convertible header inside an outside pieces.
Again the size of the file is to big to post. 
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Location: Upplands Väsby, Sweden | raffaplymouth - 2010-03-07 6:40 AM
hello Guys !! , if anyone have photos of the convertible folding, I would need to rebuild my... thanks
I will look after pics frome my top frame renovaiting and I have some ather pics from athers top frames.
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Location: Iowa USA | I can not believe I have just found this thread.
Yes this was my old ragtop, I found it just North of Batavia Iowa in a little farm junkyard way off the beaten path. here are pictures of it as I found it.
 
Yes it was rough but I could not believe my eyes when I saw it. I had been a 57 Desoto fan for years and had a 57 Adventurer hardtop in the garage at home when I found it so I had to have it. As you can see with the engine missing the tree was free to grow in it's place. The car left the factory as a white and gold car but the first owner wanted and black and gold car and could not find one so he had it repainted. Since it was his high school graduation present the parents wanted to make sure it was just right. The car was delivered to Hollywood Perkins Desoto Dealership in Wilmington CT but came to Iowa from Long Island NY in 1959. The title showed it as being black and gold when it came to Iowa.
Now for the story of why the car came to Iowa. In Fairfeild Iowa there used to be Parsons College (known to the locals as flunker heaven) where they believed in giving kids a second chace if they were booted out of some other college. And according to the brother of the original owner he got booted out of the LI school for using drugs in 1959. He was accepted for enrollment in Parsons and came to Iowa with his car to continue his education and evidently his party attitude because by late 1960 he was at the local Chrysler dealership trying to sell the car to the dealer after his dad cut him off after getting tired of him getting in trouble with the law and the school all the time. While he was at the dealership a couple from the neighboring town of Ottumwa was there to look at the new 61 Chryslers and ended up buying the car from the kid. He went on to complete his education and graduated then returned to New York where he designed race cars for a living. He raced at Oswego and is credited with making one of the first offset racing frames? His name was Howard Bishop Conkey
The second owners from Ottumwa is where I got a lot of information on the car (besides title searches) She ran the floral shop in town and he was the city streets super. She had a led foot and he would often hear about it til one day he got tired of it and had the local junk yard switch the dual quads to a single 4-barrel after a near accident by the John Deer plant that he heard about. She 30 years later called it a public castration to slow her down. Once while visiting her at the flower shop her daughter walked in and the mother started laughing. After she calmed down some and proceeded to tell us that she had been married for sometime and had not gotten pregnant but shortly after they purchased the car she was pregnant and she stated the daughter may have been concieved in the car. They sold it to another person a few years later and it was neglected until it ended up in the junkyard. The third owners thought they had the original hubcaps in the garage but they never found them. But they did apply for a duplicate title since it was still in thier name so I could get it transfered over to me.
About a year after I bought the car I was talking to a gearhead at the Cillicothe power plant North of Ottumwa and mentioned the car I had purchased and mentioned it was missing the motor. he told me about a guy in town that had a bunch of old Hemis so I waited till he got off work and met him at the garage. I told him where I got the car and he said yeah there it is. He said he got the motor ten years before from the Chrysler Adventurer convertible in that yard. I said you mean Desoto and he said no it was a Chrysler! I stopped right there it was not worth arguing him about it besides with the S26A stamped block I knew it almost had to be it. Then he said it was black and gold and I knew I had found the needle in the haystack. The motor was disassembled on the shelf since it was smoking bad he decided to do a rebuild and the parts would not fit so he put it on the shelf and forgot about it. He had been trying to use Chrysler hemi parts instead of Desoto so they did not fit! so he rebuilt another motor to use in hid rail at the at the Eddyville dragstrip instead of the smoking old Desoto motor. I tried to remain calm when I asked him "how much?" He told me he had paid $100 for it ten years before if he got his money back he would be happy. So I gladly paid the guy and used to adreniline high I was on to load the engine by myself in the back of my van in my three piece suit. And I did not give a darn as the grease smeared the front of it. I now had my factory #s matching motor back where it belonged.
Parts gathering. Over the years that I owned it I would go around Iowa buying out old parts inventories from Chrysler dealerships and body shops. The parts that fit my car would go on the shelf in the garage and the others would be sold to support my addiction. I had ammassed a heck of a lot of NOS parts including the door skin to replace the damaged orignal. All the lenses and most of the trim. All of the windshield trim was there when I sold it raffy? I even had a NOS piece for the lower corner driver side where the original was bent. NOS handles, Exhaust Venturis, steering wheel clock, record player and all. Heck I even had an Adventurer coupe for a parts car! The only major things I was missing was one air cleaner and some nice hubcaps. I had four that needed refinished. So basically I had the parts, I had the car but I did not have the money to do the job and a heck of a job it would be. I had an opportunity to buy a (one) NOS hubcap and when it sold for $600 I came to the realization that I was out of my league. I had one of the rarest most desirable forward look cars and one that I always dreamed of owning but what I did not have is the 6 figure salary to support the restoration costs so I made the decision to let it go. I made a very handsome profit over what I had in it so I paid a lot of bills and imported my UTEs from Australia. Sold the Plymouth UTE for what both cost me and have another rare Desoto that needs restored. At least this time it will be a simpler restoration since the UTE is based off the 54 Plymouth body parts are much cheaper and the car has no options othe than tinted glass I will be treating it to turn signals that it did not get from the factory since it is hard to take a corner, do hand signals with my right hand and shift with my left at the same time.
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Location: Torino - Italy | Thank you very much for these photo and information ...for me is very important ... i don't have the windshield moldings ... i think is missing ...i have a question... the tree that you speak is not seen in the photos .... has been cut?thank you very much for allRaffaele |
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Location: Iowa USA | It's a small tree. look by the windshield on the passenger side by the hood.
When I send you the original copies it will be easier to see.
The car had all of the windshiled moldings when I shipped it. It even had a NOS one to replace the bent one by the hood drivers side at the corner
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Location: Nasco , SWEDEN | you are VERY good at repairing cars, that´s for sure! keep up the good work you will be rewarded in the end. i´m looking forward to see your next "movie" on youtube starring 1957 desoto convertible;) |
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Location: CA | Nice car bud! That IS my dream car, '57 Adventurer convertible black and gold. You are very fortunate my friend! Nice job. |
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Just saw your thread again now Rafaele - Porco Juda, che lavoro complimenti amico |
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Location: Torino - Italy | thank you guys!! next week I put on rotisserie like a chicken, so I can work better !!!
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Location: Torino - Italy | thanks for these pictures of adventurer black, black is my favorite color, but mine was originally white, are undecided about what color do....
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Location: Royal Oak, MI | That is one hell of a story behind this car, as told by Roadkillontheweb. I don't think you would be remiss in painting this one black, as she was painted black immediately upon delivery to the original owner.
Either way, it's going to be a stunning automobile, and one of the finest expressions of the Forward Look! |
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Location: bishop, ca | Hey, Morgan, if you (or anyone) have any more pics of that (still-original/Survivor/white-wheeled) 57 CRL vert,
can you post them on the "Dodge" thread, on this board???
The car was featured in Olde Cars Weakly, and I contacted its owner, but he didn't want to come 'here' and
show/discuss his car....said that he already knew everything that he wanted to know, about it.
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Location: Iowa USA | The story behind the car might have just got a little more interesting.
I hate to bring up anything political on this forum but I thought this was interesting.
I got an email from someone that had read that my old Desoto Aventurer convertible was sold new at the Hollywood Perkins Desoto dealership in Wilmington Deleware. Following is the email.
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Just saw your article about your Desoto. I was searching for info about my Grandfather who died 2 months after I was born. His name was Colonel James F Hollywood, co-owner of the dealership you spoke of. I am trying to find some old pictures of his dealership. It is now a beaten up motorcycle club in what is now the worst part of Wilmington. Let me know if I can help you with any information. My Grandfather employed Joe Bidens father and uncle there in the 50's."
I was sceptical so I did a Wiki search on Joe and this was in the information about him.
"Biden's father had been very well-off earlier in his life, but had suffered several business reverses by the time Biden was born, and for several years the family had to live with Biden's maternal grandparents, the Finnegans. When the Scranton area went into economic decline during the 1950s, Biden's father could not find enough work. In 1953, the Biden family moved to an apartment in Claymont, Delaware, where they lived for a few years before moving to a house in Wilmington, Delaware. Joe Biden Sr. then did better as a used car salesman, and the family's circumstances were middle class"
So I would say that the information is credible, and the VPs dad worked at the desoto dealership when joe was a teenager. in another article the Vice president stated "Joe Jr. learned a number of lessons during his father’s lean years that he regularly cites in speeches and interviews. In his autobiography, he tells the story of his father quitting a job as sales manager for an auto dealership because the owner, who liked to reward his employees and customers with silver dollars, decided to amuse himself at the dealership’s Christmas party by spilling out a bucket of silver dollars on the dance floor to watch his workers scramble to scoop up the coins. Joe Sr. gathered up his wife and walked out, never to return." So it appears from this he was a sales manager at Hollywood Perkins? It is possible that Joe SR was involved in the sale of this car.
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Location: Torino - Italy | Hello Guys!! I have not had time to continue, this time I have a lot of work, however, put more photos of the left side as soon as possible , thanks !! |
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Location: Montreal, Canada | Raffael,
If you have a chance take some pictures, please.
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Location: Williams California | Have a great trip!
You're doing an excellent job on that rare car!!
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Location: Montreal, Canada | Raffael,
If you have a chance take some pictures, please.
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Location: New Castle PA | Like everyone else, Raffaele, I'm awestruck at the incredible job you're doing on this car. Thank you for posting all the pics and the video.
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Location: Fleetwood, Pa | AHHH......You're doing a great job restoring my "dream car"........you just may be my hero..... |
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Location: somerville mass | raffaele you area true craftsman.... whatcan i say! i look at what you did to that 59 300e
and watch the video i get chills.....
but this - was once the ultimate fwd lk cruiser owned by a cool careless teenager!
who in desperation sold it in 1960. selling drugs on /off campus in long island...
i do know harlem in the 50's was a drug empire.
so he sold it they kept it til it broke down and let it rot in a field.. the man bought it
too much for him to handle... theres nothing left to start from! - fabrication on top of
fabrication! itll take at least 2 years - if not longer - but itll be perfect! better than it
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Location: Sept. 1958 | Looks like your restoring everyone's dream car:) Superb work to say the least. Enjoy the vacation to CA and good luck at the yards you encounter. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Raffa, that's some amazing work.
You'll probably never again be as challenged to restore some car, again.
I'll also bet that you dream about someday being able to assemble a complete car from its NOS individual parts---a "knocked
down" car being discovered somewhere---the ULTIMATE model car!
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without a lot of rust. My DeSoto came from Syracuse, NY and had rust repair done as early as 1960 !
By 1968, when the car was finally removed from service, the floors and trunk were gone, the lower
had holes in it you could fit your fist through, and the headlight buckets stood free of gaping jagged
edges where the fenders were receding.
When it comes to certain types of cars, you take what you can find. I hunted for 15 years to find
my Fireflite, and this was in search of parts for a far worse Adventurer !
Heavy body work like this is fun, once you get your mind past the "OMG!" of it. It takes special tools
like any part of restoration, but cutting, heating, pounding, and bending metal into shapes and welding
it together to fill in the removed crusty stuff delivers a satisfaction I get like in no other part of the process.
Raffael, your photos are inspiring and make me impatient to finish my shop so that I can pick up on my
very similar project again.
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Location: Torino - Italy | Hello ! Guys !!unfortunately I had to stop this job for a few months, now it begins again, with the floor! , The rear sides are pretty ok, I have good news, the old owner after many years he found a box with all the missing pieces... all molding .... plus other parts that were missing, now I have problems with left rear floor, those I've purchased are completely different .... I do not understand, I think I rebuild it with my hands, if anyone has any photos published of DeSoto 57th floor .... Thanks to all  [/IMG]
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Location: Iowa USA | Great to hear the other parts were finally found. I know they were all there when the car left my house.
Some of the convertible specific parts would be very difficult to replace.
Not sure if this will help with the floor? http://kotisivu.dnainternet.net/mtl65/pics/Des57Adv4-91_2.jpg but I am sure some others will have pictures of the floors on a Chrysler or Desoto Convertible going through floor replacement. |
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Location: Torino - Italy | Doctor, I read your comment right now, you're right, this work is tiring but satisfying, to see the car reborn .... |
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Location: bishop, ca | Raffa, WE are seeing it, YOU are making-it be reborn!!!!
Your family is not related to Michael Angelo? No, wait; he's from New Jersey!
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Doctor, I read your comment right now, you're right, this work is tiring but satisfying, to see the car reborn ....
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I break this kind of work down into small "steps" and set my mind to just taking each little task as an evening's
work. If I run long, then I finish it up the next night. Pretty soon, a whole area is done and I look back and think
"Well, that wasn't so bad!".
Building my shop has been the same kind of thing. Overwhelmingly huge, but I just keep picking away at it and
when I go back to the thread and see all the pictures, it is pretty amazing how far I have come.
I appreciate your photos because where you are is inspiring for me to finish the shop so I can do that same work
on my car ! Please keep them coming.
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Location: Upplands Väsby, Sweden | Hi I can looking at my paper foto album from my renovaiting at this week end and scan it down to you. Maby I have some pics from the rear floor.
I think the body is same as 57-59 conv?
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Location: New Philadelphia, Ohio | Man, that's a TON of work! But your doing an excellent job of it. The only one I recall seeing with more rust was CallingDrLove's Plymouth.
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Location: Upplands Väsby, Sweden | Hi
Here are some pictures on my floor at the Windsor 59 and the red 300C or D?. I have also mailed you a lot of pictures, hope you get no help from the photos.
Would like to ask if there is someone who has the black cover plate as you can see the red 300c or D? Also available as a brakets of the plate that holds power window motor, but if anyone has a typical plate (not for power) for sale ok. Look the same on the conv and 2ht. Have not any of my Windsor would like to buy 2 pcs. (All pw parts was lost when I bought the car in 1999)
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Location: Nasco , SWEDEN | Raffaele checkout this resto it might be of some help, they are doing a 58 chrysler convertible!
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Check out this link. There is few rust repair pics of my 57 Chrysler.
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Location: Torino - Italy | Ary , you're making these body work? congratulations! is very nice job on your C , is good help for my work , i think my Adventurer was worse than your...
how long it takes for this job?
Now I'm working in the warehouse where it is too cold, I believe that suspending this work, so I'll work on the convertible frame, which is completely destroyed
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Location: Finland | raffaplymouth - 2010-12-03 11:19 PM
Ary , you're making these body work? congratulations! is very nice job on your C , is good help for my work , i think my Adventurer was worse than your...
how long it takes for this job?
Now I'm working in the warehouse where it is too cold, I believe that suspending this work, so I'll work on the convertible frame, which is completely destroyed
No, my friend Kartsa make the body work. It takes approx. 400hrs. You can find his other works using search key "sledanette"
My whole C project took 4 and half years and it still need little work.
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Location: Nasco , SWEDEN | oooops SORRY! Tell the "real" Kartsa he´s the best fu%#"ng welder, carbuilder i´ve seen in a long time! Awesome Resto on your car and supernice Buick customcar! Raffaele hope youre not mad beacause i hijacked your thread! keep up the great job on that Desoto!
Here is some compensation...................
345 bhp, 345 cu. in. Hemi V-8 with dual quads, automatic transmission with pushbutton shifter on dash, independent torsion bar front suspension, Hotchkiss style 8¾-inch rear axle with 3.54:1 differential gears, gold turbine look full wheel covers. Wheelbase: 126"
- One of the finest restored examples ever offered for sale
- The product of a cost-no-object, four-year restoration by Gilbert Probes
- The top-of-the-line example from the DeSoto lineup for 1957
“The perfect rust-free body if ever there was one,” is how Milton Robson describes this 1957 DeSoto Adventurer convertible. “When I bought it, the car had original paint. There was a little primer showing through the tops of the fenders.” He found this extremely rare DeSoto in a warehouse in California, where the climate had been very kind to the car after so many years.
Finding such a low-production, highly sought-after performance car from the 1950s was high excitement. For Robson, there was no more desirable DeSoto ever built than this model. One could go as far as to say that the DeSoto Adventurer is an American “exotic” from the 1950s.
With the division’s top Hemi V-8 under the hood, the Adventurer was an early muscle car with a set of the most aesthetically pleasing tail fins ever seen on virtually any car. Introduced in mid-model year 1956, the Adventurer was DeSoto’s top-of-the-line performance flagship. However, the ’56 Adventurer came out at the tail end of a generation of DeSotos with a more bulbous shape. The newly engineered 1957 ushered in a new “Forward Look” for all Chrysler Corporation models in a longer, lower and wider package. The 1957s have stood the test of time. In the 1950s, fins were de rigueur and echoed the public’s fascination with the possibility of space travel. The ’57 model Plymouth, Dodge, Chryslers and DeSotos had the appearance of a sleek rocket, ready to blast off.
DeSoto introduced their 1957 Adventurer in December of 1956, two months after debuting the other models. Traditional launch in those days was late September to early October. Obviously, DeSoto did not want their very special Adventurer to share the spotlight with the bread and butter sedans and coupes.
Based on the Fireflite, the Adventurer came with specified color combinations of white with black and a gold side sweep and roof or gold with a white or black side sweep and roof. DeSoto used ample doses on the car for more identification, such as the grille mesh being gold anodized. The “DESOTO” letters on the front of the hood are gold, as is the stylized DeSoto emblem on the middle of the hood. In past model years, this emblem had been a fairly accurate depiction of Hernando DeSoto’s coat of arms.
On the 1957 Adventurer, they diluted the lines for this famous logo. Recognized as the first European to cross the Mississippi River, DeSoto was the ultimate Adventurer in North America, and hence the Adventurer became the ultimate DeSoto. This logo also appears in gold on the black center of the full wheel covers. DeSoto called these covers “Turbine” style. Painted gold, they lend a real show car appearance, and no other car had them.
More gold “DESOTO” lettering appears on the rear decklid. Five stainless steel strips accent the top of the trunk. The most stylish identification comes on the sides of the tailfins where the Adventurer logo appears written in flowing style with letters joined together. Just ahead of this cursive script is a logo featuring crossed flags and a gold V accented by gold wings. Another Adventurer crest appears on each front fender, just ahead of the doors. In the center of this emblem is the highly diluted, but regal, Hernando DeSoto coat of arms. Uniquely, every Adventurer convertible top was gold.
Inside the ****pit, DeSoto inset the light gold seats (60/40 up front) with gold and white tweed in the seated portion of the benches, front and rear. They carried this theme into the door panels. The labor-intensive stitched pattern of the upper door panels reveals the workmanship of the American auto industry of the 1950s. DeSoto had a reputation for building interiors of early American parlor quality and ambience. The Adventurer bridged the gap between old American charm, the rocket age of tailfins and the impending horsepower race.
DeSoto gave special attention to the engine. The Hemi in the Fireflite was a 295-horsepower, 341-cubic inch V-8 with a single four-barrel carburetor. DeSoto engineers bored the 341 to 345 cubic inches and installed dual quads to produce 345 horsepower, or one horsepower per cubic inch. DeSoto showcased this achievement in their Adventurer, the same as Chrysler did with their “300.”
Essentially, the DeSoto was the division’s flagship, offered in coupe and convertible body styles. There were no four-door sedans. The Adventurer was to DeSoto what the “300” letter series was to Chrysler. Both were the top performance models and tested top speed on the sands at Daytona. No doubt, the new-for-1957 torsion bar front suspension (springs in the back) helped these two tons of gorgeous tailfins maneuver down the road. They were heavy duty on the Adventurer.
The Adventurer coupe retailed for $3,997 in base form. The Adventurer convertible was the highest priced DeSoto in the lineup at $4,272. Options such as a record player (called the Hi-Way Hi-Fi), electric windows and six-way power seat pushed the price up even further. Every Adventurer came with the famous push-button automatic transmission. Factory records show DeSoto built exactly 1,650 Adventurer coupes and 300 Adventurer convertibles in 1957. Milton sought out a convertible due to its rarity and more glamorous body style.
Starting with what might have been the very best combination of rust-free body and chassis in a 1957 Adventurer, Robson sent the car to Gilbert Probes for a four-year, ground-up restoration.
Milton is not prone to hyperbole, but of this 1957 DeSoto he said, “Gilbert Probes restored this car for me, took about four years. He is particular as hell. I believe this is without a doubt the finest one in the world.” The car has remained in absolutely perfect condition. It needs nothing and is show ready and road worthy in every respect. It is hard, if not impossible, to argue with Milton’s description of this particular example. This is without question the finest example RM Auctions has ever had the pleasure of offering for sale.
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Location: Torino - Italy | no problem Mogge !!
this very nice car, I know, has been sold to a very high price
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I wish ya all the best at the new place. Good luck with all your work ya'll do. Your current project Adventurer Convertibe looks good.
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It looks very good! Congratulatione! All the best wishes to Italy!
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That's gonna be one beautiful convertible when you are finished.
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Location: bishop, ca | Raffa, what do you intend to do with this work of art, when you complete it?
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Location: Torino - Italy | Hello !! I do not want to sell this car ... for color are undecided .. I do not know what to do ... but I think Black - gold |
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Location: bishop, ca | Looks like a 'nice' typical "OEM" fitment of the decklid, there, Raffa, but, you're gonna take care of THAT situation,
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Location: Torino - Italy | hello !! excuse my absence, but I have not had much time ... in the meantime I have almost finished the floor and we also started the preparation and filling
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Location: Torino - Italy | Guys anyone know Wayne R Graefen ? I have a book on the restoration of ADV written by him |
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Location: Hay Lakes, Alberta, Canada | Wow!! Looking great!! When you are done, I'll ship over my Chrysler and you can get started on it!!  |
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Location: Torino - Italy | Now i'm working on convertible folding , is completly destroyed ... i dont know .. is very difficult rebuild this, also wood insert on the top of frame for install the top .. i'm very undecide for the color ....Black and gold .....Gold and white ....or White and gold ??? |
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Location: Twin Falls, Idaho | Yes, I know him. Email me privately at: george@mckovich.com and I will provide contact info.
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Now i'm working on convertible folding , is completly destroyed ... i dont know .. is very difficult rebuild this, also wood insert on the top of frame for install the top .. i'm very undecide for the color ....Black and gold .....Gold and white ....or White and gold ???
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When you figure out a good way to restore rust-destroyed top bows, you will have an attentive
audience with me and many others !
Black with gold is the only way to go, in my opinion, .... especially with your car's history. But
that said, how about gold with black ? I know of at least ONE surviving 56 in this color combo.
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Location: ZH, Switzerland | Hello Raffa
It depends on what color you plan to color your Adventure Convertible. I would prefer black - gold like Doctor DeSoto wrote.
Good luck with your wonderful project car. I'm a follower and like the progress and the state of the Adventure you achieved actually.
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Location: Torino - Italy | Guys , original color is not Black-Gold !! from factory is white and gold , before one or two year this car was repainted black and gold ... but original is white and gold ...., i like black and gold , and gold and white , i dont like my original white and gold ..... |
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Location: Parts Unknown | 95% or more of the 56-58 Adventurers were white with gold. At the time, the white paint
stuck out dramatically on the street and denoted high performance. By the 60's, it meant
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But your car has a great story about how it came to be black and gold. If the car were mine,
I'd need no more excuse to paint it black and gold. But that is just me.
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Location: Torino - Italy | <p> </p><p>some photos of convertible folding </p><p> </p><p>http://img444.imageshack.us/slideshow/webplayer.php?id=1957desotoadventurercon.jpg</p>
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Location: Upplands Väsby, Sweden | Hi!
I see at your pics the broken bow. A guy in sweden make new bows only the two in middle. (not the front top header and the rear)
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Hi!
I see at your pics the broken bow. A guy in sweden make new bows only the two in middle. (not the front top header and the rear)
Yes! Very good quality, I might add!
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Location: bishop, ca | Raffa, you have to ask yourself: Self, am I restoring this car, or am I glamming it up (Black/Gold) to maximize
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Location: central Illinois | Amazing work going on there! The last 57 Adventurer I saw in person was my father-in laws coupe. It was white with gold sweep. Not sure exactly where it ended up going when sold but could be local. I'll start asking around.
Wayne's known as "stilloutthere" if you want to contact him Raffy.
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Raffa, you have to ask yourself: Self, am I restoring this car, or am I glamming it up (Black/Gold) to maximize
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or a third option .... the car was painted this color very early on by a significant owner
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Location: Torino - Italy | You right Guys , i don't think of resale this car .... i think paint in Black and Gold , i like |
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Location: Torino - Italy | Wow , Black and gold is incredible !! very impact !! , im decide for black and gold ! where you find this photos ?? is sweden car ?? |
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Location: Orlando | Doctor DeSoto - 2011-11-18 8:28 AM Just remember, no matter how you paint it, you're still stuck with a yucky old DeSoto ! Yeah, that's a yucky old Desoto. That is if 'yucky' is the new slang for 'totally awesome'!!!
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Location: new york | This is a Amazing restoration ! Keep up the great work it looks like it will be a FIN TASTIC ride when done! HAPPY MOTORING! Victor. |
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Location: new york | This is a Amazing restoration ! Keep up the great work it looks like it will be a FIN TASTIC ride when done! HAPPY MOTORING! Victor. |
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Location: Twin Falls, Idaho | Raffaele
Contact me directly at: george@mckovich.com
I can provide the source of the TWO center bows. I have purchased a set and they work perfectly... Just like originals.
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Location: Nasco , SWEDEN | Gold/black is also nice Raffaele! it would be a nice contrast to your black 1959 E coupe!
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Location: Torino - Italy | Mogge65 .. Gold is very nice ,i see this car in a auction ... if i remember .. that car is incredible ...my preferred color is Gold ...but im very undecided ..The fateful moment approaches , now the car is at my Body paint man for make the preparation before paint ...im not able to paint a car .. everything ..but no paint ... |
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Location: Torino - Italy | wow , but i look now that car is Gold and Black !!! not Gold and white ... this is the first time that i see this color combo .. was available ?? |
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Location: Torino - Italy | guys , if you look im the last photos attacched of my ADV ...from front right fender and right door .. allignement is not good ,also from door to rear quarter .. i think depend from center body mount from body to frame will need shims ...now allignement is very important before paint preparation ...this need more time of job |
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Location: bishop, ca | The inner fenders are painted in dark gray, right?
Raffa, have you confirmed with one of the 57 DeSoto guys how your car was OEM painted?
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Location: Torino - Italy | Sorry , i dont confirmed ...I was talking about the pictures published by Mogge of Gold and Black ... my Desoto OEM color is White and gold , sorry for my english |
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Location: Torino - Italy | i dont know if inner fender is painted gray ... i dont think ,,, i think black like my 300E ... all under the hood is like exterior paint , inner fender wheel side is like floor undercoating ....Black
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Location: New Castle PA | Inner fenders should be a medium-to-dark gray, both on the engine side AND on the wheel side, NOT black!!!
Raffaele, have you checked the link I sent you yet for the pictures I started to post of your car, to eventually hook up onto my 1957 DeSoto website? I was waiting for some feedback from you before going further...
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Location: Brisbane, Australia | Boungirno, Great work Raffaele, you are an inspiration to us all. I'm sure we are all waiting to see which colour scheme you finalize on.
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Location: Connecticut | Raffaele - When aligning the doors to the quarter, it's a good idea to have power window assemblies already installed in doors, since they weigh the door down a bit. Also, if you are using the Gary Goers door rubber, it is too dense and will cause your doors to stick out. We had a lot of trouble with it after my body shop had aligned the doors perfectly without the rubber. I would like to find an alternative to the GG door rubber that has the same profile, but is softer. Ron
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Location: Torino - Italy | 57desoto - 2012-02-04 12:03 AM Inner fenders should be a medium-to-dark gray, both on the engine side AND on the wheel side, NOT black!!! Raffaele, have you checked the link I sent you yet for the pictures I started to post of your car, to eventually hook up onto my 1957 DeSoto website? I was waiting for some feedback from you before going further... WOW , FENDER COLOR PAINT IS DIFFERENT FROM CHRYSLER ?? THEREFORE INNER AND OUTSIDE OF FENDER IS DARK GREY ?? BUT UNDERCOATING OR ONLY PAINT ?? EDWARD , YOU ADD MY PHOTOS ?? THANKS !! BUT I DONT FIND IN YOUR WEBSITE .... LET ME KNOW |
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Location: Torino - Italy | ronbo97 - 2012-02-04 7:29 AM Raffaele - When aligning the doors to the quarter, it's a good idea to have power window assemblies already installed in doors, since they weigh the door down a bit. Also, if you are using the Gary Goers door rubber, it is too dense and will cause your doors to stick out. We had a lot of trouble with it after my body shop had aligned the doors perfectly without the rubber. I would like to find an alternative to the GG door rubber that has the same profile, but is softer. Ron
OK RON THANK FOR YOUR ADVICE , I WOULD HAVE TAKING .150" HIGHER FOR ALL WEIGHT OF DOOR MECHANISM , GLASS AND PANEL |
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Location: Torino - Italy | Guys let me know if these color is ok Chassis frame black semigloss sunspension black semigloss firewall body exterior paint hood on the back body exterior paint trunk lid on the back body exterior paint inner fender engine side grey dark semigloss inner fender wheel side grey dark undercoating ??? hood crossbar ( latch and radiator support ) black undercoating of the floor ( BACK ) ????????grey dark or black ?? undercoating of the floor INTERIOR SIDE ( UPPER) ?????????? |
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Location: New Castle PA | If you REALLY want to be absolutely correct, (and NOBODY really does this), the underside (engine side) of the hood should stay in primer. For 1957 DeSotos, it was NOT painted body color, although everyone does it, including me. Some cars had an underhood mat glued to the underside BUT NOT fiberglas like is available from several places. The inner fender wheel side should be the dark gray UNLESS your body tag code says your car was undercoated, in which car it still is that gray, but covered over with an undercoating spray.
I'll re-send you the email about your car pictures. I didn't post them directly onto my "regular" sites, as I told you, because I've used up most of the available space there. However, I started ANOTHER site, which I'll link from the original, to your restoration pictures, once I get feedback from you that it's OK. |
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Location: Torino - Italy | thenk you very much Edward !! ....yes you can link from your website ...
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Location: bishop, ca | And, when Ed says "primer", all that anyone needs to do is have some finish enamel be formulated, that LOOKS like "primer".
There can be any sort of actual primer/sealer applied underneath that 'finish' coat (which merely happens to look like it is OEM
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Location: Sept. 1958 | Finsinthemirror - 2012-02-09 5:57 PM
What color was the primer that the factory used?
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Location: Torino - Italy | Guys ... Need a help !! if someone have mesure from left to right seat hole bolt on the floor
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Location: Upplands Väsby, Sweden | raffaplymouth - 2012-02-11 2:33 PM
Guys ... Need a help !! if someone have mesure from left to right seat hole bolt on the floor
And if someone have a photo of front crossmember under the hood with latch and vertical bar to frame ...i don't have this ...
Hi
I have this from a NY 57--59
If you need it you only pay me the shipping price.
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Location: Torino - Italy | 1958 Hepcat - 2012-02-10 6:22 PM Just instaled the 2 center bows on my 59 Dodge fitts perfect.The guy how makes them is Mikael Isacsson ph nr 46-70-6537506 great guy he also makes trunkpanels for Mopar 57-59 also the panel that goes around steering and brake padel. Lars Strandheim Sweden i have receveid the same info from George .. i think is the same guy ... is assembly with wood ?? you have the email adress of this guy ?? i have lost this .....
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Location: ZH, Switzerland | Yep, it looks like a nice car now. Big congratulation to your stamina (power of endurance) and your big, big effort to restore this rare car!
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Location: USA - KY | raffaplymouth - 2012-02-14 3:11 PM
now look like a car ??
...now looks like molto bello carro! (sorry about my bad Italian)
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Location: Torino - Italy | FIN ME - 2012-03-25 1:42 AM raffaplymouth - 2012-02-14 3:11 PM now look like a car ?? ...now looks like molto bello carro! (sorry about my bad Italian ) : ) : ) |
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Location: Torino - Italy | NOW FOR SALE ON HEMMING'S
http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/desoto/adventurer/136981... |
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The prise for Adventurer Conv Rise a lot.
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Location: Upplands Väsby, Sweden | Here some ather FL at same firm.
Many nice cars and high prices
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Location: Sept. 1958 | Nice work Raffaele, your Desoto is coming along well. Any color would be nice. Keep it up. |
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Location: New Castle PA | The Hemmings car is nice, and again, I'D LOVE TO OWN IT, but GEEZ, for a half-million, I'd want the correct color top, the correct hood (no center ornament on Adventurers), the radiator support painted black, and a fuel filter, at least!!! |
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Location: USA - KY | 57desoto - 2012-03-26 7:36 AM
...no center ornament on Adventurers...
Whaddyaknow, Ed...I never noticed that before. I learn more about DeSotos every day.
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Raffaele, I just went back and looked again at the first photo of your Adventurer that you posted on this thread.
You are a MIRACLE worker!
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Location: bishop, ca | Ed, you want to take another look at this Adventurer's transmission?
The hood hinges (and springs) both look like they are painted, rather than cad-plated.
So for .5MIL would any rich owner ever care to drive this car (except off and onto an enclosed car carrier)?
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Location: New Castle PA | I know, Neal, but I don't want to say anything more about that car, 'cause some folks think that honest, constructive comments about correctness are intended to rip apart a vehicle. I don't mean anything of the sort, of course, only that a half-million ought to buy a car right in every detail (which it's not). Frankly, I think anyone that spends $500K for ANY car is out of his gourd, but that's my opinion. And no, that car won't be driven. |
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Location: Torino - Italy | I do not know which person buy cars at these prices ... Edward i see some Adventurer with center hood ornament and some without ... i don't have ... but i dont', know if my hood is original ... i don't think ... i have only front hood ornament ...... now i working on convertible folding .... very difficult rebuilting |
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Location: New Castle PA | Adventurers do NOT have the pointed hood ornament. At least they SHOULD not! If one DOES, it's because the restorer thought incorrectly that it should. Most likely, a hood from a different series was used in place of the original Adventurer hood, and of course, THAT hood would be drilled for the ornament. So what do you do? You put an ornament on (when you SHOULD have closed up the holes and left the ornament off...)
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Location: Iowa USA | It is great to see it coming together and getting the restoration I could not provide!
I ran across a couple photos of it in my garage before I sold it along with my 57 Adventurer coupe parts car.
This shows very well that it was a factory white gold car that was painted black.
Keep up the great work! If I ever make it to Italy, will you take me for a spin?
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Location: The Bat Cave, Fairborn, OH | raffaplymouth - 2011-11-18 8:13 AM Wow , Black and gold is incredible !! very impact !! , im decide for black and gold ! where you find this photos ?? is sweden car ?? I recognize the location. This car was photographed at the Iola Old Car Show which is held every second week of July in Iola, Wisconsin. No clue as the when the picture was taken though.
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Location: Torino - Italy | Wow Lee !!! im very happy for these new photos !! in which
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Location: bishop, ca | Hey, Raffaele, et al, I posed a question, here, that nobody has responded to.
As you are certainly well versed in restorations, I wonder what your advise is, about when to install and to adjust a convertible
top mechanism, to a vert-body?
Thanks!
http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=40848&...
"Exhibit-A" to my argument is the way that the top and windows fit/align, on that black/gold Adventurer vert
on page 4 of this thread.
It appears to me that the top & windows may have been (attempted) to have ben installed/aligned after
the body was finished & painted.
What thinkest thou-all?
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Location: Torino - Italy | d500neil - 2012-03-29 8:59 PM Hey, Raffaele, et al, I posed a question, here, that nobody has responded to. As you are certainly well versed in restorations, I wonder what your advise is, about when to install and to adjust a convertible top mechanism, to a vert-body? Thanks! http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=40848&... "Exhibit-A" to my argument is the way that the top and windows fit/align, on that black/gold Adventurer vert on page 4 of this thread. It appears to me that the top & windows may have been (attempted ) to have ben installed/aligned after the body was finished & painted. What thinkest thou-all? this is the first time i work on this convertible forward , on my 300 coupè the glass allignement was difficult but with good result ... on convertible i think is right check before paint job ....but convertible folding have adjusting bolt on both side .... up and down ... front and rear ... |
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Location: bishop, ca | Yeah, and there's the window operation and alignment to be concerned about, fitting to a properly installed top.
I would want to know that the top and windows and doors all fit well before I would worry about how nice the paint looks.
Otherwise, you get a car that looks like that other Adventurer---not picking on it, other than to point out what many of us have
seen, on many other verts: the top and windows don't fit well together.
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2012-03-29 4:07 AM It is great to see it coming together and getting the restoration I could not provide! I ran across a couple photos of it in my garage before I sold it along with my 57 Adventurer coupe parts car. This shows very well that it was a factory white gold car that was painted black. Keep up the great work! If I ever make it to Italy, will you take me for a spin? LEE , YOU ARE WELCOME IN ITALY ... WHEN YOU WANT |
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Location: Torino - Italy | GUYS ... EXACTLY COLOR OF CONVERTIBLE FOLDING ? BOLTS NEED PAINTED OR NICKEL ?? |
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Location: Torino - Italy | YOU ADVICE ME THAT CHECK NOW ? ... I DONT HAVE ALL GLASS .. MISSING LEFT SIDE .. NEED BUILD .. OR BUY |
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Location: bishop, ca | ...only if you want to rule out any unpleasant surprises, after the body is all painted.
The down-side to getting the top and windows to all fit and WORK properly, before the painting is done, is that the top & windows
will need to be carefully masked off, to avoid over spray damage.
On 'my' thread, I also asked about the possibility of doing a minor-partial-spraying, around the top and sides of the body (kind of
like painting the firewall/cowl areas first, on a hardtop restoration), so that, AFTER the top and glass are all working/aligned properly,
the car's body can then be painted, with the paint-line, where the two paintings come together, being merely color-sanded to remove any evidence of the two painting operations.
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Location: Iowa USA | raffaplymouth - 2012-03-29 12:44 PM
Wow Lee !!! im very happy for these new photos !! in which
year you took these pictures? i see transmission in car ... you have more photos ??
I am sure I have more photos but most are probably not digital. Those photos were taken in 1999 or 2000
I wish I would have taken some when it got loaded up to leave. It seems some of the interior trim that was specific to the Adventurer convertible was missing before it got to the guy who bought it from me. The transmission was in that place when it left here, is it not with the car now? Remember the box full of trim that was missing for a time? maybe the transmission is there also.
I should try and contact the family that bought it in 1961 and see if they have any photos. Just need to remember the name!
Don't know if I would ever make it to Italy but if I do you can bet you will see me!
This photo is a slightly different angle but not much different.
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Location: Iowa USA | Since I am not sure I have shared this part of the story with you let me give you a little more information.
The car came to Iowa in 1959 from Long Island NY in the hands of Howard Bishop Conkey who is no longer alive. The next owners where from Ottumwa Iowa and the wife told me that Howard would often get in trouble with the law in Fairfield with the car so his dad cut him off prompting him to sell the car. I had heard that after he graduated from Parsons college in Fairfield he moved back to New York state and built race cars that ran at the famous Oswego speedway and was credited with designing the offset frame still used in racing?? As the years have gone by more information has become available about him on the web.
His business was called Show car speed shop and was located at 413 EAST MAIN ST WATERLOO, NY I have not been able to track any family or friends that knew him that may have photos or information about if he was the first owner.
I would say that the guy loved to go fast and the Adventurer may have been just a start. Here is a nice article from circle track magazine in 1985 about the frame he was building. http://www.michaelmarrer.com/pdf/SuperModified.pdf
A newspaper article http://www.fultonhistory.com/Process%20small/Newspapers/Oswego%20Pa...
There has got to be some old dirt track racers in the area that used to know him? Wonder if he ever talked about the Adventurer with his buddies?
http://forums.fingerlakes1.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1... looks like justme1611 knew him? |
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Location: Connecticut | d500neil - 2012-03-29 5:53 PM ...only if you want to rule out any unpleasant surprises, after the body is all painted. The down-side to getting the top and windows to all fit and WORK properly, before the painting is done, is that the top & windows will need to be carefully masked off, to avoid over spray damage.
On 'my' thread, I also asked about the possibility of doing a minor-partial-spraying, around the top and sides of the body (kind of like painting the firewall/cowl areas first, on a hardtop restoration), so that, AFTER the top and glass are all working/aligned properly, the car's body can then be painted, with the paint-line, where the two paintings come together, being merely color-sanded to remove any evidence of the two painting operations. The converts are designed with enough adjustment points in the doors, quarters and convertible top frame to allow everything to fit well. It's a good idea to do a dry run to see that the pins on the leading edge of the conv top frame land in the holes on the top of the windshield frame, which is what I did. When I get my car painted, the convertible top frame will be off to avoid overspray getting on the frame. Also, the masking that you suggest would be a PITA to accomplish. Partial painting: Don't think it's a good idea. Too much chance for a variation, especially when spraying a metallic.
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Location: bishop, ca | So, how would you describe the appearance of the top installation, and the window fitments on that black Adventurer?
Acceptable?
Typical?
The best alignments and installation work that can be done, after the car is painted?
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Location: New Castle PA | Raffaele, I'm not an expert on the convertibles, but Wayne Graefen's book describes the convertible top FRAMEWORK as Sahara Tan (Ditzler #21279). I don' t know about the bolts. You are doing an INCREDIBLE job!!!
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Location: USA - KY | mangodart - 2012-03-30 8:22 AM
...One day I should pass to visit you with my 58 Plymouth, Torino is not that far from Nice ( France ) ;)
Ahhhh...cruising along in wonderful, classic cars between Torino and Nice; champagne on ice in the trunk...
How darned civilized can you get?! I am SOOOOOO jealous!
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2012-03-30 12:17 AM raffaplymouth - 2012-03-29 12:44 PM Wow Lee !!! im very happy for these new photos !! in which year you took these pictures? i see transmission in car ... you have more photos ?? I am sure I have more photos but most are probably not digital. Those photos were taken in 1999 or 2000 I wish I would have taken some when it got loaded up to leave. It seems some of the interior trim that was specific to the Adventurer convertible was missing before it got to the guy who bought it from me. The transmission was in that place when it left here, is it not with the car now? Remember the box full of trim that was missing for a time? maybe the transmission is there also. I should try and contact the family that bought it in 1961 and see if they have any photos. Just need to remember the name! Don't know if I would ever make it to Italy but if I do you can bet you will see me! This photo is a slightly different angle but not much different. Lee ..thank for these photos... i'm very happy ... fortunatley Antonello Jelitro Found the box full of molding 1 years ago ....look like i have all moldings ..i have also the transmission ... |
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Location: Torino - Italy | ronbo97 - 2012-03-30 3:47 AM d500neil - 2012-03-29 5:53 PM ...only if you want to rule out any unpleasant surprises, after the body is all painted. The down-side to getting the top and windows to all fit and WORK properly, before the painting is done, is that the top & windows will need to be carefully masked off, to avoid over spray damage.
On 'my' thread, I also asked about the possibility of doing a minor-partial-spraying, around the top and sides of the body (kind of like painting the firewall/cowl areas first, on a hardtop restoration), so that, AFTER the top and glass are all working/aligned properly, the car's body can then be painted, with the paint-line, where the two paintings come together, being merely color-sanded to remove any evidence of the two painting operations. The converts are designed with enough adjustment points in the doors, quarters and convertible top frame to allow everything to fit well. It's a good idea to do a dry run to see that the pins on the leading edge of the conv top frame land in the holes on the top of the windshield frame, which is what I did. When I get my car painted, the convertible top frame will be off to avoid overspray getting on the frame. Also, the masking that you suggest would be a PITA to accomplish. Partial painting: Don't think it's a good idea. Too much chance for a variation, especially when spraying a metallic.
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Location: Torino - Italy | d500neil - 2012-03-30 8:57 AM So, how would you describe the appearance of the top installation, and the window fitments on that black Adventurer? Acceptable? Typical? The best alignments and installation work that can be done, after the car is painted? i think is possible the allignement also after the car is painted ... all is adjustable ...you dont think ?? |
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Location: Connecticut | raffaplymouth - 2012-03-30 3:50 PM partial painting ??? i dont understand
Painting part of the door (or other panel) now. Then install glass,etc. Then paint the rest later. Not a good idea.
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Location: Torino - Italy | 57desoto - 2012-03-30 1:37 PM Raffaele, I'm not an expert on the convertibles, but Wayne Graefen's book describes the convertible top FRAMEWORK as Sahara Tan (Ditzler #21279). I don' t know about the bolts. You are doing an INCREDIBLE job!!! Ed Ok Ed ! monday i go to my local paint shop with this code ... |
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Location: Torino - Italy | ronbo97 - 2012-03-30 10:03 PM raffaplymouth - 2012-03-30 3:50 PM partial painting ??? i dont understand
Painting part of the door (or other panel ) now. Then install glass,etc. Then paint the rest later. Not a good idea. Ron |
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Location: Torino - Italy | mangodart - 2012-03-30 2:22 PM Really impressive job. One day I should pass to visit you with my 58 Plymouth, Torino is not that far from Nice ( France ) ;) You are welcome !! you and your 58 ply !! |
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Location: Torino - Italy | Guys , i like this color combo ...im very undecided ...in a month will be ready to paint ...i dont know wich color ...
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Location: Sept. 1958 | raffaplymouth - 2012-03-30 4:07 PM
ronbo97 - 2012-03-30 10:03 PM raffaplymouth - 2012-03-30 3:50 PM partial painting ??? i dont understand
Painting part of the door (or other panel ) now. Then install glass,etc. Then paint the rest later. Not a good idea. Ron Yes ron ...is not a good idea ... i will paint the door naked ... no glass no window regulators
I know on my Plymouth, the regulators were installed before painting as was the door latch, remote and rod. Also the striker was installed in the jamb before paint. This was done on other cars, perhaps at all factories? |
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Location: ZH, Switzerland | christine-lover - 2012-03-30 3:29 AM
raffaplymouth - 2012-03-30 4:07 PM
ronbo97 - 2012-03-30 10:03 PM raffaplymouth - 2012-03-30 3:50 PM partial painting ??? i dont understand
Painting part of the door (or other panel ) now. Then install glass,etc. Then paint the rest later. Not a good idea. Ron Yes ron ...is not a good idea ... i will paint the door naked ... no glass no window regulators
I know on my Plymouth, the regulators were installed before painting as was the door latch, remote and rod. Also the striker was installed in the jamb before paint. This was done on other cars, perhaps at all factories?
I think the same is valid for my 56 Chrysler New Yorker. The outer side of the door latch is colored like the screw, while the part of the door latch inside the door remained uncolored.
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Guys , i like this color combo ...im very undecided ...in a month will be ready to paint ...i dont know wich color ...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/otro_mun2/5507587505/
How about shell pink with a charcoal grey color sweep?
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Soooo many beautiful colour combinations from which to choose.
As you know, Raffael, in the case of the Adventurer, there exists the historically correct "Adventurer specific" colours and colour combinations based mainly on black, "Adventurer Gold", and white. And with such a VERY special and VERY rare car as your Adventurer, I'd be really tempted to paint it in one of those historically correct colour combinations.
There's nothing better than having the colour alone announce correctly from a distance, "Here comes a real Adventurer!"; a rare sight indeed.
That's just my humble opinion on the matter though. Most of us will say that it's your car; one in which you have invested so much of your time and resources, and you must do what you want.
Any of the "Adventurer specific" colour combinations look great. I have a black DeSoto, and I think that there is more work involved with a keeping a black car look spotless, if that might be of concern to you.
If you want to be brave, you could maybe have a poll at this site and see what the cognoscenti think about the matter.
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Location: Torino - Italy | FIN ME - 2012-03-31 7:33 PM Soooo many beautiful colour combinations from which to choose. As you know, Raffael, in the case of the Adventurer, there exists the historically correct "Adventurer specific" colours and colour combinations based mainly on black, "Adventurer Gold", and white. And with such a VERY special and VERY rare car as your Adventurer, I'd be really tempted to paint it in one of those historically correct colour combinations. There's nothing better than having the colour alone announce correctly from a distance, "Here comes a real Adventurer!"; a rare sight indeed. That's just my humble opinion on the matter though. Most of us will say that it's your car; one in which you have invested so much of your time and resources, and you must do what you want. Any of the "Adventurer specific" colour combinations look great. I have a black DeSoto, and I think that there is more work involved with a keeping a black car look spotless, if that might be of concern to you. If you want to be brave, you could maybe have a poll at this site and see what the cognoscenti think about the matter. : ) |
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Location: Iowa USA | When this particular car left the factory white with gold sweep and went to Hollywood Perkins Desoto dealership in Wilmington Delaware between then and 1959 when it came to Iowa it was painted black over the white (without taking the trim off) because the 1959 Iowa title shows it as black. Even the second owner in Iowa insisted it was a black car when I told her it left the factory white. Raffy has the build sheet and the title records that I was able to get. Unfortunately I was not able to get any title information from New York. They had my check for a title search for 2 years without response when I mentioned it to a Desoto club member Robert Donatucci who was also a state senator from New York and after week or so I got my check back and a note that stated "no records found" So unfortunately I could not verify if the guy who brought it to Iowa (Howard Conkey) was indeed the first owner and if it was ever titled as a white car? Howard's brother stated he always knew it as black when I talked to him years ago and he thought his brother got it new. I believe he also stated that his brother wanted a black and gold version but could not find one so he had a white one painted black. It has been black and gold for a long time! But it left the factory white and gold.
Either one of the two color combinations look great but I was learning toward putting it back to white gold since that would be factory correct but darn do they look good in black!
About 20 years ago I found another 57 Adventurer convertible that was an original gold with white sweep version with factory air just outside of Rapid City SD and tried to buy it but messed up when I told the seller I wanted a title and asked him to get one from SD since Iowa is such a pain in the ass to get a title in. He sold it to someone in Minnesota that did not ask for a title and in my opinion the gold main body with white sweep and gold (tan) convertible top was just a bit much of one color and did not look as good as the cars with while and black main colors.
Either choice Raffy makes it will look great and 99.999% of the people that see it will have no clue what color it should be or shouldn't be. And since I did not win the mega millions jackpot last night i will not get a chance to buy it back. darn! |
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Shoot me a PM with the name of the second owner in Iowa from the titles I sent you by PM and I will try to contact the family again and see if they have any vintage photos of the car.
The wife was very proud of the car and loved it a lot so she should have photos? If the mother is not still with us I will contact the daughter that was potentially conceived in the car according to the mother and see if she can track something down? I am sure the mother would be glad to hear that it is being brought back to life. |
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2012-03-31 9:13 PM A lot of NOS parts also went with the car including a NOS door skin to replace the damaged one on the drivers side. I also found the pictures of a bunch of the other parts I sold at the same time a set of NOS trunk strips, door handles and lots of other trim and parts. Here are a few Lee !! where to dig to find these pictures ??? Thank you !! I have received the door skin .. I dont received nos fender ornament and little quarter moldings |
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Location: Iowa USA | raffaplymouth - 2012-03-31 2:42 PM
roadkillontheweb - 2012-03-31 9:13 PM A lot of NOS parts also went with the car including a NOS door skin to replace the damaged one on the drivers side. I also found the pictures of a bunch of the other parts I sold at the same time a set of NOS trunk strips, door handles and lots of other trim and parts. Here are a few Lee !! where to dig to find these pictures ??? Thank you !! I have received the door skin .. I dont received nos fender ornament and little quarter moldings
I had the pictures on my computer but I have thousands of photos on it so it took a while to dig them out.
I sold the other parts seperatly on Ebay, I had a hell of a lot of NOS for the car but the guy who bought it from me did not want to buy all the other parts at the time so I sold them on ebay.
The important parts like original engine, intake, carbs, air cleaners, door skin etc. went with the car.
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2012-03-31 8:58 PM Hello Raffy Shoot me a PM with the name of the second owner in Iowa from the titles I sent you by PM and I will try to contact the family again and see if they have any vintage photos of the car. The wife was very proud of the car and loved it a lot so she should have photos? If the mother is not still with us I will contact the daughter that was potentially conceived in the car according to the mother and see if she can track something down? I am sure the mother would be glad to hear that it is being brought back to life. Lee , let me know if you know something from this family , you are very kind ... 3 months ago I was in New York ... I could go visit them ... |
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Location: Torino - Italy | LEE ....I understand that you would have made white .... but now also you are undecided.??.. like me ???
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Location: Iowa USA | I do believe you have my notes in the yellow binder that gives the name and contact information of the brother in New york? Also in that folder are copies of the titles from Iowa. I can not remember the name of the people that bought the car from Howard Conkey. If you give me the name I will contact them and see if I can track down the family and see if they have any vintage photos of the car from the time they owned it (1961-65?) You might also have some luck joining the racing forums listed above and asking for people that knew Howard for information about his family. And maybe find who has the family photos?? |
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Location: Iowa USA | raffaplymouth - 2012-03-31 3:07 PM
LEE ....I understand that you would have made white .... but now also you are undecided.??.. like me ???
I love the look of the black car more than the white but I would have probably painted it white since it was indeed the correct original color.
I would not have changed it to a gold car with white or black sweep because I don't think the gold convertibles look good with the gold(tan) top
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2012-03-31 10:17 PM raffaplymouth - 2012-03-31 3:07 PM LEE ....I understand that you would have made white .... but now also you are undecided.??.. like me ??? I love the look of the black car more than the white but I would have probably painted it white since it was indeed the correct original color. I would not have changed it to a gold car with white or black sweep because I don't think the gold convertibles look good with the gold (tan ) top http://www.sportscardigest.com/wp-content/uploads/P1120164-201-DeSoto-1957-Adventurer-Convertible-50419195_1200.jpg. |
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FIN ME - 2012-03-31 7:55 PM you forgot Gold with black on the back
Here you go.
Sorry that the photos are not that great. Thought it might be good to see them side by side.
They are all beautiful. I don't envy you having to make such a difficult choice, Raffael!
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Location: Blackpool, United Kingdom. | Were there 2 option on the Gold for Adventurers, Spanish code V and Adventurer gold code P,the adventure Gold looks darker in colour?
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GUYS ... EXACTLY COLOR OF CONVERTIBLE FOLDING ? BOLTS NEED PAINTED OR NICKEL ??
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Location: Iowa USA | raffaplymouth - 2012-03-31 3:26 PM
roadkillontheweb - 2012-03-31 10:17 PM raffaplymouth - 2012-03-31 3:07 PM LEE ....I understand that you would have made white .... but now also you are undecided.??.. like me ??? I love the look of the black car more than the white but I would have probably painted it white since it was indeed the correct original color. I would not have changed it to a gold car with white or black sweep because I don't think the gold convertibles look good with the gold (tan ) top i know ...but you don't like also GOLD with WHITE top ?? http://www.sportscardigest.com/wp-content/uploads/P1120164-201-DeSoto-1957-Adventurer-Convertible-50419195_1200.jpg.
White top is not correct for the Adventurer so I would say no. And the hubcaps do not really "stand out" like they do with the black and white cars.
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Location: New Castle PA | I agree with Lee. White top is not correct. I'd do the authentic thing and paint it white with gold if it were me. You're going to such trouble to make things fit together and be correct, why not do that with the paint, too? |
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Location: central Illinois | ^^^^ What he said. Then you'll never have to say, "It was originally white with gold but I did it like this because...." Sure to be a beautiful automobile whatever you decide. |
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Location: USA - KY | springsweptwing - 2012-03-31 7:24 PM
Were there 2 option on the Gold for Adventurers, Spanish code V and Adventurer gold code P,the adventure Gold looks darker in colour?
Spanish Gold (colour code "V") was a spring colour for 1957 only, and so far, I'm not aware that the colour was available to any model other than the Firesweep.
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Ed, was tan the only colour choice for the 1957 DeSoto convertible top? Did the colours vary according to model?
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Location: Torino - Italy | FIN ME - 2012-04-01 1:10 AM raffaplymouth - 2012-03-31 2:39 PM FIN ME - 2012-03-31 7:55 PM you forgot Gold with black on the back Here you go. Sorry that the photos are not that great. Thought it might be good to see them side by side. They are all beautiful. I don't envy you having to make such a difficult choice, Raffael! i like also Gold and black , but i think to return at white and gold , factory paint .. |
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Location: Torino - Italy | christine-lover - 2012-04-01 1:38 AM raffaplymouth - 2012-03-29 5:13 PM GUYS ... EXACTLY COLOR OF CONVERTIBLE FOLDING ? BOLTS NEED PAINTED OR NICKEL ?? Raffaele, I have some detailed photos of my 58 Plymouth's top frame. It's original, I'll post some photos of it later when I get home. Some hardware is painted, some is natural. ok !! i wait |
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Location: Torino - Italy | 57desoto - 2012-04-01 1:16 PM I agree with Lee. White top is not correct. I'd do the authentic thing and paint it white with gold if it were me. You're going to such trouble to make things fit together and be correct, why not do that with the paint, too? Ed , i'm almost decided for white ... if anyone have other photos of white Desoto ADV ... i don't find more online .... |
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christine-lover - 2012-04-01 1:38 AM raffaplymouth - 2012-03-29 5:13 PM GUYS ... EXACTLY COLOR OF CONVERTIBLE FOLDING ? BOLTS NEED PAINTED OR NICKEL ?? Raffaele, I have some detailed photos of my 58 Plymouth's top frame. It's original, I'll post some photos of it later when I get home. Some hardware is painted, some is natural. ok !! i wait
Raffaele-
It seems the screws and bolts are natural, and where ever there's a pin/washer/cotter pim, those should be painted top frame color. I have so many photos, but I don't want to hijack your thread. So I put them here on my cars thread:
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Location: New Castle PA | FIN ME, 1957 DeSoto convertible tops were available in colors, as you would expect, except for the Adventurer model. They called it "Adventurer gold" but all it really was was common tan. Same color tan top for all 4 combinations of Adventurer paint setups. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Raffaele, I'm glad you have decided to do the right thing (white paint)...back on 11/10/11 you were asking
for blessings on painting it black.
Honor the car and restore its appearance.
BTW, it may be a little early, but it is instructive to go back to 2009, and the inception of this thread, to see how far you've
come, to date, on your project.
I had no idea that wood was used in the convertible top construction.
If it was, that is the answer to a great trivia question!
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Thanks, Ed!
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Thanks, Ed!
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Thanks, Ed!
Congratulations on deciding on the colours for your Adventurer, Raffael!
(Secretly I was hoping you would paint it in its original white and gold colours. )
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Location: Torino - Italy | 57desoto - 2012-04-02 2:24 AM FIN ME, 1957 DeSoto convertible tops were available in colors, as you would expect, except for the Adventurer model. They called it "Adventurer gold" but all it really was was common tan. Same color tan top for all 4 combinations of Adventurer paint setups. Therefore all Adventurer with top of other colors is not correct |
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Location: Torino - Italy | christine-lover - 2012-04-01 11:19 PM raffaplymouth - 2012-04-01 3:57 PM christine-lover - 2012-04-01 1:38 AM raffaplymouth - 2012-03-29 5:13 PM GUYS ... EXACTLY COLOR OF CONVERTIBLE FOLDING ? BOLTS NEED PAINTED OR NICKEL ?? Raffaele, I have some detailed photos of my 58 Plymouth's top frame. It's original, I'll post some photos of it later when I get home. Some hardware is painted, some is natural. ok !! i wait Raffaele- It seems the screws and bolts are natural, and where ever there's a pin/washer/cotter pim, those should be painted top frame color. I have so many photos, but I don't want to hijack your thread. So I put them here on my cars thread: http://forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=23555&... Let me know how they work. Wow , i see your restoration .... very nice job ...you make a good work on the floor !! |
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Location: Torino - Italy | d500neil - 2012-04-02 2:54 AM Raffaele, I'm glad you have decided to do the right thing (white paint)...back on 11/10/11 you were asking for blessings on painting it black. Honor the car and restore its appearance. BTW, it may be a little early, but it is instructive to go back to 2009, and the inception of this thread, to see how far you've come, to date, on your project. I had no idea that wood was used in the convertible top construction. If it was, that is the answer to a great trivia question! You right ....I'm Decided at 99% for white paint ... i think is the best thing , I believe that even for the value of the car, could decrease with no matching color ..although I do not want to sell this car |
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Location: Iowa USA | raffaplymouth - 2012-04-02 2:16 PM
57desoto - 2012-04-02 2:24 AM FIN ME, 1957 DeSoto convertible tops were available in colors, as you would expect, except for the Adventurer model. They called it "Adventurer gold" but all it really was was common tan. Same color tan top for all 4 combinations of Adventurer paint setups. Therefore all Adventurer with top of other colors is not correct
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Is there enough room to get the torsion bars out with the anchor brackets attatched, looks tight where they go through frame, you can then press the torsion bars out of the brackets after otherwise you may have to cut through the bracket lengthways and split them open to free bars?
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Then remove the LCA-pivot nuts on the front of the frame, then you can rotate the LCA down and also use it to work/wiggle the torsionbars backwards, out through the anchors (after you've removed the retainer clips ofcourse in the adjuster-anchors).
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Location: Torino - Italy | BigBlockMopar - 2012-04-04 5:47 PM Normally you start by removing the shocks and taking off the springload of the torsion bars by loosening the adjuster bolts. Then support the LCA, take out the UCA bumpers to remove all the tension on the parts if necessary, and then pop the balljoints loose. Then remove the LCA-pivot nuts on the front of the frame, then you can rotate the LCA down and also use it to work/wiggle the torsionbars backwards, out through the anchors (after you've removed the retainer clips ofcourse in the adjuster-anchors). I know this is normally sequence ... i had removed the rear bolt adjust ..., shock was broken ...., no tension ... but the broblem was front and rear exagon blocked from RUST !! , I JUST REMOVED WITH FLAME AND HUMMER ....
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John Fowlie can probably send you a 'new' set of springs, and/or maybe just the needed
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Location: somerville mass | raffalle - you are a true master with golden hands... big m is pretty close, too..(59 sport fury conv..) this adventurer which was a car - rusted in three pieces!
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Location: Iowa USA | raffaplymouth - 2012-04-07 1:43 PM
Lee , this is the famous Box , Antonello have found around 1 years ago ...very important parts
I was as glad as you that you found the box! A lot of convertible specific parts in there.
I found a picture of the car when it was loaded on the trailer leaving my driveway I will scan and post it here.
I am very glad that you are able to give it the love it needed. As you can probably tell I really hated to let it go, it was my dream car but it would have only been a dream in my hands! I will be so glad when you get it done.
In the yellow folder (Wayne's Adventurer restoration book) I sent to you there were all the old titles that I found on the car. If you give me the name of the owner that bought it from Howard Conkey that lived in Ottumwa IA I will attempt to contact the family and see if they have any vintage photos of the car? If that owner is still alive she will be very glad to hear that it is being restored.
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Location: Brisbane, Australia | roadkillontheweb - 2012-04-08 9:30 AM
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Lee , this is the famous Box , Antonello have found around 1 years ago ...very important parts
I was as glad as you that you found the box! A lot of convertible specific parts in there.
I found a picture of the car when it was loaded on the trailer leaving my driveway I will scan and post it here.
I am very glad that you are able to give it the love it needed. As you can probably tell I really hated to let it go, it was my dream car but it would have only been a dream in my hands! I will be so glad when you get it done.
In the yellow folder (Wayne's Adventurer restoration book ) I sent to you there were all the old titles that I found on the car. If you give me the name of the owner that bought it from Howard Conkey that lived in Ottumwa IA I will attempt to contact the family and see if they have any vintage photos of the car? If that owner is still alive she will be very glad to hear that it is being restored.
Keep up the great work!
How did the adventurer go from the above to the rusting hulk that Raffe bought??
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Location: Iowa USA | earleebob1 - 2012-04-07 6:46 PM
How did the adventurer go from the above to the rusting hulk that Raffe bought??
There was an owner between me and Raffe that started the restoration by stripping the body and taking all the parts off. It was rusty when I sold it but stripping the paint and parts made it look a lot worse. |
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2012-04-08 3:44 AM earleebob1 - 2012-04-07 6:46 PM How did the adventurer go from the above to the rusting hulk that Raffe bought?? There was an owner between me and Raffe that started the restoration by stripping the body and taking all the parts off. It was rusty when I sold it but stripping the paint and parts made it look a lot worse. I had never spoken about this,is what makes me nervous....perhaps even Lee does not know this period from 2003 to 2009 ... 1) Lee Exline Buy this car in Junk in 1994, keep the car stored in garage , buy a lot of parts ..and make great chronological research  [/IMG]
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Location: Brisbane, Australia | Raffe, thank you for going to the trouble of explaining the gap in the journey of this interesting restoration
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Location: Torino - Italy | Lee , This is all title i received from you , and a photo of Howard Conkey , sorry but i don't success to make the right rotation ..
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Location: Torino - Italy | earleebob1 - 2012-04-08 9:01 AM Raffe, thank you for going to the trouble of explaining the gap in the journey of this interesting restoration Bob Thank you for your interest Bob !! |
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Location: Iowa USA | No, I was not aware of the issues that Antonello had with the restoration.
A quick web search shows that Marilyn J. Schmidt is still alive and kicking and is 76 years old. I also appears she is still at the same house and has the same phone number. I will try to call her on Monday and give her the good news about the car and see if she might have some photos. She is the one that had the great stories about the car. The last time I talked to her she was still running the flower shop and did not have time to dig for the photos
Cloyd Hagedon had stated that he still had the hubcaps in his barn but could never locate them.
Roy Bennett helped me get it titled since the junkyard I bought it from did not transfer the title. I brought him the paperwork and he gladly signed it over to me but could remember very little about the car.
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2012-04-08 12:46 PM No, I was not aware of the issues that Antonello had with the restoration. A quick web search shows that Marilyn J. Schmidt is still alive and kicking and is 76 years old. I also appears she is still at the same house and has the same phone number. I will try to call her on Monday and give her the good news about the car and see if she might have some photos. She is the one that had the great stories about the car. The last time I talked to her she was still running the flower shop and did not have time to dig for the photos Cloyd Hagedon had stated that he still had the hubcaps in his barn but could never locate them. Roy Bennett helped me get it titled since the junkyard I bought it from did not transfer the title. I brought him the paperwork and he gladly signed it over to me but could remember very little about the car. Lee, I shudder to hear these things ... let me know if you can talk to her ... I wanted to ask you something, the last to drive the car was Roy Bennett? why he left? had broken the engine? I can see from the frame, a rear crash....who have removed the engine ?? |
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Location: Torino - Italy | I'd like to know what year it was abandoned, how did you find it and if it were stolen or sold some parts, the front where it went? In the first photo shows the front, then there is no more .... |
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Location: Iowa USA | Yes Roy Bennett probably would have been the last to drive it, from him it went to the salvage yard probably in the mid 60s but I am not sure.
When I found the car it was in a salvage yard that was more of a private collection that a salvage yard. The guy was notoriously hard to buy from according to the locals. He put up the money for his nephew to go into the salvage business and the uncle would get all of the vintage iron at the salvage price the nephew bought it for. The uncle recently passed away at 93 years old and the nephew is selling his collection on ebay under the user name classic.auto.parts the 58 Plymouth convertible that was recently discussed here was also from his collection.
At the time I bought it the engine was missing but I found the original engine shortly there after. I was at the power plant by Chillicothe Iowa and talked to one of the employees about the car I had bought and said it was missing the engine. The guy told me about another guy in Ottumwa that had a bunch of old engines so I contacted the that guy and met him at his house after he got off work. I told him what I was looking for and he said that he had an engine from a black and gold Chrysler Adventurer convertible that was in the yard where I got my car from. I told him it was a Desoto and he said no, it was a Chrysler so I just let him call it a Chrysler because it did not matter I knew it was my engine. He had purchased the engine in the 70s for $100 and had raced it in a drag race rail at Eddyville raceway just north of Ottumwa. It started smoking bad so he took it apart to rebuild it but the parts would not fit so he put it on the shelf and left it there. He had purchased Chrysler 392 parts to rebuild it since he thought it was a Chrysler. He said he wanted his money back that he originally paid for the engine so I gave him $100 and loaded the engine by hand in my van. It was taken apart and the crank was missing but I was so happy I found the original engine I did not care.
I think I already shared the story about the loss of the original dual quad intake?
I would imagine that the rear end crash happened while Howard Conkey had it since his brother stated that his brother often got in trouble with the car racing it around the area and would often get in trouble with the law. He was at the Chrysler dealer in F airfield trying to sell the car because his dad had cut him off when Marilynn schmidt and her Hisband were there to look a the new Chryslers and ended up buying the car from Howard.
The front end was very rusty and I had the coupe parts car so I tossed the front end after stripping it of the parts I needed. since the hood was folded in half it was not needed either.
If I am able to contact her and she is able to recall anything I will let you know.
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Location: Iowa USA | The story about how I found it.
I was working as a salesman selling pumps, seals, and lot's of other industrial products. I was in a small town southeast of Ottumwa and I stopped in to an old repair garage to ask if they had any old car parts in the back room and where the local salvage yards were. A guy at the counter was telling where the yard was when another guy walked up and started laughing. He said that I was wasting my time to go out there the guy didn't sell anything. I went out anyway and visited the yard and the guy proudly showed me around the collection that was mostly GM lots of Cadillacs and tri five chevies including at least nine nomads. WhenI went around back I could not believe my eyes when I saw a 57 Adventurer Convertible. I already had the 57 Adventurer coupe at home. It was not easy, but I went into negotiation mode and worked a deal to buy the car. The coupe automatically became a parts car. As I traveled around doing my sales job I would track down old garages, body shops, salvage yards and dealerships I would clear out there old inventory of parts and sell parts to support my addiction to Desoto's and anything that would fit my car would go on the shelves. I had a hell of a lot of NOS for it.
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Location: Iowa USA | I just sent the following email to the current chief of police in Fairfield.
"I know it is a long shot but nothing ventured nothing gained.
By any chance are there still records available from the early 60s? or someone around that worked on the force back then that would remember events from that time?
I used to own a 1957 Desoto Adventurer convertible that came to Iowa from Long island in 1959 in the hands of a Parsons college student Howard Conkey. by 1962 it was sold to Clark Schmidt that was a supervisor for city streets in Ottumwa. That car is very rare and is now being fully restored in Italy and we are trying to piece together history on the car.
According to Howard's brother his brother would often get in trouble with the police in Fairfield with numerous tickets. Since it is a limited edition 345 HP dual quad Hemi powered car and the brother had a lead foot. The car was black and gold and would have really stood out in the crowd.
Thanks in advance for your time and consideration!
Lee Exline
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I know the chances of getting any information is limited but if I didn't try the chance would be zero.
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Location: Torino - Italy | Lee, I'm glad, thanks for the time you're spending, I'm printing and keeping everything you're telling is amazing .. I hope that someone from the police you can tell something ... I have another question, the field was exactly in Fairfield? I would like to know where to see google map ... next year I'll be in those places , I come to you and to visit this area ...still exists? |
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Location: Iowa USA | raffaplymouth - 2012-04-08 12:38 PM
Lee, I'm glad, thanks for the time you're spending, I'm printing and keeping everything you're telling is amazing .. I hope that someone from the police you can tell something ... I have another question, the field was exactly in Fairfield? I would like to know where to see google map ... next year I'll be in those places , I come to you and to visit this area ...still exists?
I will let you know if I have any success. Over the years I have found it takes very little time to ask and sometimes you will be amazed at what you find.
The salvage yard or spot where I located the car is getting cleaned out now by the nephew since the Uncle died at age 93. It was located in the country north and east slightly of Batavia Iowa. I am trying to find the yard but the road I used to take has been replaced and rerouted so I have lost my reference points for my turns. If you come to the area I would be glad to spend some time and show you around! |
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2012-04-08 7:46 PM raffaplymouth - 2012-04-08 12:38 PM Lee, I'm glad, thanks for the time you're spending, I'm printing and keeping everything you're telling is amazing .. I hope that someone from the police you can tell something ... I have another question, the field was exactly in Fairfield? I would like to know where to see google map ... next year I'll be in those places , I come to you and to visit this area ...still exists? I will let you know if I have any success. Over the years I have found it takes very little time to ask and sometimes you will be amazed at what you find. The salvage yard or spot where I located the car is getting cleaned out now by the nephew since the Uncle died at age 93. It was located in the country north and east slightly of Batavia Iowa. I am trying to find the yard but the road I used to take has been replaced and rerouted so I have lost my reference points for my turns. If you come to the area I would be glad to spend some time and show you around! Ok, Lee ... this year in august i go to Los Angeles , also in Mopar junkyard ( Arnie at San Bernardino )... is too far away, next year if all goes well I will go to Chicago ... surely I will come to you ... , another questions Lee ... you know how many years without top ?? around 30 years ?? it rains a lot in your country ?? why not to sink into the ground? how did you pull? with a tractor? you know the double holes oh the right tail fins ?
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Location: Iowa USA | you know how many years without top ?? around 30 years ?? from the mid 60s till I bought it
it rains a lot in your country ?? Rain and snow! lots of it!
why not to sink into the ground? he used chunks of wood to keep them off the ground
how did you pull? with a tractor? He pulled it from the field with a tractor and I took it home on a trailer. I made sure to keep the correct original rims that are only for convertibles and station wagons
you know the double holes on the right tail fins ? That's a bullet hole! entrance and exit. Some one used it for target practice at some point.
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Location: Torino - Italy | if i think ... the history of this car , I would like to make it black-gold , because he was also remembered by its owners as the Desoto Black and Gold...this car live his life in black and gold....
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2012-04-08 8:38 PM you know how many years without top ?? around 30 years ?? from the mid 60s till I bought it it rains a lot in your country ?? Rain and snow! lots of it! why not to sink into the ground? he used chunks of wood to keep them off the ground how did you pull? with a tractor? He pulled it from the field with a tractor and I took it home on a trailer. I made sure to keep the correct original rims that are only for convertibles and station wagons you know the double holes on the right tail fins ? That's a bullet hole! entrance and exit. Some one used it for target practice at some point. imagined it was a bullet hole! think how much water and snow for 30 winters ...:(  |
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Location: Iowa USA | Yes it was in sorry shape, but it was mostly complete and it is a real Documented Adventurer so it was well worth saving.
I have always enjoyed researching the history. I call it automotive archeology.
I wish I could track some history on my Desoto UTE but I have no success with the Australian government in tracking it's ownership
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2012-04-08 9:31 PM Yes Yes this is archeology ... I see in the old photos ... The original bumper had guards ... I don't have this ... I have only the bumper without guard .. |
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Location: Iowa USA | The bumper guards were along with the bumper was trashed and I planned on using the bumper from the coupe for the convertible. |
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Location: Iowa USA | I contacted the nephew and he told me how to find it again.
He said everything is almost cleared out and the property will be sold soon.
Easiest way to see it from google maps is head straight north out of Batavia IA and take the 3rd gravel road to the left, then first gravel to the right for a half mile and your there. As you can see there were a lot of cars outside and every building was full also. The Adventurer was located about dead center on this photo just North of the barn.
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Location: Torino - Italy | Thank you Lee , look like not different from 1994 pictures ... i see a lot of old car and truck ... there are no major changes in 20 years ... , i put 2 red arrows , let me know if the right location where you find is the lower or the upper ??
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Location: Signal Mountain, TN | It's been a long road, but the results that are showing now are definitely making this project worthwhile. I love before and after pics, especially after the kind of work like you've done here.
Keep up the good work.
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Location: Iowa USA | raffaplymouth - 2012-04-09 1:34 AM
Thank you Lee , look like not different from 1994 pictures ... i see a lot of old car and truck ... there are no major changes in 20 years ... , i put 2 red arrows , let me know if the right location where you find is the lower or the upper ??
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Yes it did not change much because the guy rarely sold anything.
I bet if you zoom in really tight on google maps you will be able to find some of the other cars in the picture still in place.
The red barn in the background of this shot is the barn between the two arrows in the overhead shot
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Wow, Raffael and Lee - those old photos are enough to make a person cry!
To tell you the truth, I also was curious about how this wonderful, old car got in such a sorry state, but was afraid to ask!
This thread is amazing in so many ways.
You guys should get together and write an article (or small book!) about this car, "from show room condition to ruin and back" - a very interesting history indeed.
High praise to all involved in saving this great car!
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Location: Iowa USA | I just got off the phone with Marilyn Schmidt and she is still very familiar with the car and loves to talk about it, She is also very happy to hear that it is getting restored. She was surprised that I called because just two weeks ago she was talking to the owner of the junkyard that took off the dual fours about when her husband castrated her by putting on a single four barrel manifold. She wonder what had happened to the car. I asked her about pictures and she told me that her house burned to the ground a few years back but just before it did she gave the old photo albums to her daughter so there should be at least one picture of it in the albums? She still really loves the car! I also asked her about doing a videotaped interview with her about her remembrances of the car and she said she would like to think about it. I would also like to interview the owner of the junkyard that took off the dual fours at the same time. She has my phone number and will get with her daughter to see about the picture and then call me back.
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2012-04-09 7:23 PM I just got off the phone with Marilyn Schmidt and she is still very familiar with the car and loves to talk about it, She is also very happy to hear that it is getting restored. She was surprised that I called because just two weeks ago she was talking to the owner of the junkyard that took off the dual fours about when her husband castrated her by putting on a single four barrel manifold. She wonder what had happened to the car. I asked her about pictures and she told me that her house burned to the ground a few years back but just before it did she gave the old photo albums to her daughter so there should be at least one picture of it in the albums? She still really loves the car! I also asked her about doing a videotaped interview with her about her remembrances of the car and she said she would like to think about it. I would also like to interview the owner of the junkyard that took off the dual fours at the same time. She has my phone number and will get with her daughter to see about the picture and then call me back. I will let you know what I hear! Amazing! , i'm very happy for this! If understand it.. she and her husband bought the car from Conkey in 1962, and sold at Roy Bennet in 1964 , would be nice to find some photos , they live close to the junk ? i don't understand the Junkyard that remove the dual four .... |
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Location: bishop, ca | Raffa, I forget: do you have the IBM card-copy on this car?
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Location: Torino - Italy | d500neil - 2012-04-09 9:21 PM Raffa, I forget: do you have the IBM card-copy on this car? Ibm card ?? what is this ?? i don't know .. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Raffa, these is a whole-long discussion about the IBM build-card copies on the two 'Sticky' messages, at the top of
our "Fender Tag Decoding" message board, but, to cut-to-the-chase-scene, here is the direct link to the Historical
Society's request-information page on the Walter P. Chrysler Museum's website:
http://wpchryslermuseum.org/page.aspx?pid=400
Among other things, the IBM card will be your car's Pedigree and Birth Certificate, and which will document its construction
and options and paint/trim type/colors, etcetcetc...
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Amazing! , i'm very happy for this! If understand it.. she and her husband bought the car from Conkey in 1962, and sold at Roy Bennet in 1964 , would be nice to find some photos , they live close to the junk ? i don't understand the Junkyard that remove the dual four ....
Yes her and her husband bought the car from Conkey in 62 at the Chrysler Dealership in Fairfield IA. She remembers the car very well and is still very fond of it. The first time I called her about it years ago I asked her if she remembered the car. She said that if she met a man that she loved as much as she loved that car she would get married again. She even had more information about the day they went to get the car so I asked to do a video interview with her to document it. many more stories than I can type out.
Her husband that was the supervisor of city streets in Ottumwa Iowa where they lived. After she had the car for a little while he heard she was racing another car down by the John Deere plant and almost got in a wreck so he got mad. He took the car to a junkyard in town and had them take the dual fours off and put on a single four barrel carb to slow her down. She called it (and still does) public castration. She said for years she would drive by the shop and see the intake carbs and air cleaners sitting in the front window of his shop.
Jump forward to 2 weeks ago, she was talking to the guy that owned the shop that took her dual carbs off and they were discussing the day that her husband took the car to his shop to slow her down. This is a different yard than the one it spent almost 30 years in.
She also mentioned that shortly after they sold the car it was in a wreck.
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Raffa, I forget: do you have the IBM card-copy on this car?
Yes he has the IBM card.
I did the research through Chrysler historical and I sent it to him with the restoration manual.
Raffy
The IBM card is the photocopy of the ticket with all the holes punched in it that tells about the car when it left the factory. It gives the serial number, paint and option codes build and ship dates and even has a dealer code that tells that the car shipped to Hollywood Perkins dealership in Wilmington Delaware from the facctory |
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Location: Torino - Italy | Lee, now I understand, but i don't understand the reason why 'he did remove the dual quad .. it was dangerous? too fast? therefore the other owners drive with single quad ?? I realized that this car should not have many miles, traveled only 7-8 years, yesterday I removed the front lower control arm ,the ball joint and bushung and were in good condition, usually have much play , also rear ring and pinion look like good i'm curious if Marylin will found some pictures |
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2012-04-09 9:54 PM d500neil - 2012-04-09 2:21 PM Raffa, I forget: do you have the IBM card-copy on this car? Yes he has the IBM card. I did the research through Chrysler historical and I sent it to him with the restoration manual. Raffy The IBM card is the photocopy of the ticket with all the holes punched in it that tells about the car when it left the factory. It gives the serial number, paint and option codes build and ship dates and even has a dealer code that tells that the car shipped to Hollywood Perkins dealership in Wilmington Delaware from the facctory yes , i have this |
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Location: Torino - Italy | FIN ME - 2012-04-09 7:06 PM Wow, Raffael and Lee - those old photos are enough to make a person cry! To tell you the truth, I also was curious about how this wonderful, old car got in such a sorry state, but was afraid to ask! This thread is amazing in so many ways. You guys should get together and write an article (or small book! ) about this car, "from show room condition to ruin and back" - a very interesting history indeed. High praise to all involved in saving this great car! : ) i am moved by what Lee is doing, I wnt him to be the first to drive this car when finished restoration |
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Location: Iowa USA | raffaplymouth - 2012-04-09 3:49 PM
FIN ME - 2012-04-09 7:06 PM Wow, Raffael and Lee - those old photos are enough to make a person cry! To tell you the truth, I also was curious about how this wonderful, old car got in such a sorry state, but was afraid to ask! This thread is amazing in so many ways. You guys should get together and write an article (or small book! ) about this car, "from show room condition to ruin and back" - a very interesting history indeed. High praise to all involved in saving this great car! : ) i am moved by what Lee is doing, I wnt him to be the first to drive this car when finished restoration
I would be very honored, not sure if I will be able to make it there in time but if I ever do make it to Italy I will definitely come take it for a spin.
When I got home this afternoon after work I found that my wife had been cleaning out under our bed and she found something in a box.
It is a NOS set of trunk hinges for the 57. If you have not restored yours yet they are yours for postage.
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I think if you sent a letter to Marilyn with a current picture of the car and a description of what you are doing and a thank you note for the information on the cars history that she has shared I think it would help convince her to share more stories and maybe on video? It sure would not hurt!
If you can do this I will send you her mailing address by PM. I think she would love to hear from you and know that her old car she loved so much is in such good hands and that you appreciate the stories of the cars history that she is sharing.
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...After she had the car for a little while he heard she was racing another car down by the John Deere plant and almost got in a wreck so he got mad. He took the car to a junkyard in town and had them take the dual fours off and put on a single four barrel carb to slow her down. She called it (and still does) public castration. She said for years she would drive by the shop and see the intake carbs and air cleaners sitting in the front window of his shop...
Marilyn is a girl after my own heart...apparently her hubby was a party pooper... LOL
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...i am moved by what Lee is doing...
Yes, Raffael, as we all know, there are guys out there that will sell a classic for what they can get and then forget all about the car as they take the money and run.
I agree with you...Lee exhibits the enthusiasm, inquisitive drive, and generous nature that is the heart of the old car hobby. A real class act.
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2012-04-10 12:33 AM Raffy I think if you sent a letter to Marilyn with a current picture of the car and a description of what you are doing and a thank you note for the information on the cars history that she has shared I think it would help convince her to share more stories and maybe on video? It sure would not hurt! If you can do this I will send you her mailing address by PM. I think she would love to hear from you and know that her old car she loved so much is in such good hands and that you appreciate the stories of the cars history that she is sharing. Sure , Lee , let me know the mailing adress of Marylin, i will sent a letters ..for trunk hinge i will check tomorrow , i think my hinge is good but i dont remember , for side bird i have 2 sets ... thanks for all |
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This is another box reveived from Antonello , i think is partial miscellaneus disassembly in Usa from Lee Exline ...could be his handwriting? Lee let us know
Yes those are my baggies and hand written index cars from when I took off the front clip.
PM sent with contact info for Marilyn
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2012-04-11 12:42 PM raffaplymouth - 2012-04-11 12:37 AM This is another box reveived from Antonello , i think is partial miscellaneus disassembly in Usa from Lee Exline ...could be his handwriting? Lee let us know Yes those are my baggies and hand written index cars from when I took off the front clip. PM sent with contact info for Marilyn Thank you , i have received , i will wrote ASAP |
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Location: Torino - Italy | mangodart - 2012-04-11 4:08 PM On my wagon I remember the first time I work on the rear brakes, it takes 3 days wait to have that drum out, and one day for the other !! Good to see the story of the car coming via the forum !!! :cool: also in my first car 1960 Plymouth, 10 years ago for remove the rear drums without extractor , i have spend 2 days !! |
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Location: Torino - Italy | Guys , this is the list of parts missing ( for now ) if someone have this parts for sale let me know 1) engine radiator 2) transmission cable 3) park brake cable 4) hood ornament + plastic 5) parking light lens 6) tail light lens 7) gas tank sending unit 8) steering wheel (i have but is broken) i know that lens and ornament is available from George Laurie , but if someone have ....
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there is a hood ornament on ebay, dont know if the adventurer one is different though,
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400221668493?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_tr...
there are a lot of parts available here but i cannot get a reply on email
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5) parking light lens 6) tail light lens
Hi Raffaele
I know an adress in sweden for plastic lenses.
This are repros, but better than nothing.
http://www.kpusabil.se/
I could purcase a set for you during my holidays :-)
The George Laurie lens is from this swedish manufacturer (as I know)
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Raffael -
This fellow used to have a hood ornament - scott1990@cfl.rr.com - I think he could e-mail you a photo if he still has it, and to be sure that it is correct for an Adventurer. He lives in Florida, and is a nice guy.
I can't recall what it looked like exactly, but it wasn't like the one on my Firesweep. Ed might remember?
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Location: Torino - Italy | ToMopar - 2012-04-13 11:04 AM raffaplymouth - 2012-04-12 3:30 PM 5) parking light lens 6) tail light lens Hi Raffaele I know an adress in sweden for plastic lenses. This are repros, but better than nothing. http://www.kpusabil.se/ I could purcase a set for you during my holidays :- ) The George Laurie lens is from this swedish manufacturer (as I know ) /ToM |
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Location: Torino - Italy | Adventurer 60 - 2012-04-13 6:02 PM I do have a pair of NOS park lences for 57 yolu sell this ?? |
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Adventurer 60 - 2012-04-13 6:02 PM I do have a pair of NOS park lences for 57 yolu sell this ??
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I do have a pair of NOS park lences for 57
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Location: Torino - Italy | d500neil - 2012-04-14 10:18 PM Raffie, what is the axle ratio that is stamped onto the 'flat' area on what would be the passenger's side of the carrier housing? You may have to scrape that area a bit, to reveal that ratio. , ok tomorrow i will scrape that area , i will know |
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I've lost track...is this what you still need, Raffael?
Plastic emblem insert. Number 8...
http://www.emblemagic.com/desoto.htm
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Location: Torino - Italy | d500neil - 2012-04-14 10:18 PM Raffie, what is the axle ratio that is stamped onto the 'flat' area on what would be the passenger's side of the carrier housing? You may have to scrape that area a bit, to reveal that ratio. i think 3.54  [/IMG]
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YES ! THIS IS CORRECT BUT IS NOT IN STOCK
They will make you one if you can give them a bit of time.
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Be sure to copy and paste the part number for your order info from the number above."
(they take Paypal)
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Location: Torino - Italy | d500neil - 2012-04-18 1:26 AM Raffa, as per our PM's....the torsion bars are painted in gloss black and the brake backing plates should be in a sort of shiny-semi-gloss black paint. Looking good, however!! i would need a complete list of frame detail paints ..... frame semigloss black , leaf springs naturally , lower and upper control arm naturally , all the rest in semigloss black |
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2012-04-19 1:45 PM I am curious to see if Howard Conkey added positraction to the rear end in 1958 when it became available? As serious as he was about speed I would think that he would have added it to get the most out of the Hemi Power. Let us know what you find when you crack open the rear end. Did you get the 5 NOS Adventurer stainless trunk strips? I am pretty sure they went with the car and were not sold seperatly. Yes Lee !! , i have the five moldings |
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2012-04-19 1:45 PM I am curious to see if Howard Conkey added positraction to the rear end in 1958 when it became available? As serious as he was about speed I would think that he would have added it to get the most out of the Hemi Power. Let us know what you find when you crack open the rear end. Did you get the 5 NOS Adventurer stainless trunk strips? I am pretty sure they went with the car and were not sold seperatly. No Lee !! no posi !! i have check now ... |
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Location: Torino - Italy | firedome - 2012-04-26 10:27 PM Paul's Chrome and similar re-chromers can fill pits in Zamak before they plate and rechrome them, but don't know about welding, it was a zinc-based alloy potmetal that was cast, not sure how it can be welded, but I've seen similar potmetal grilles on '30s and 40s cars repaired, I suspect by melting it back together somehow. please website of Paul chrome ? |
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Located in PA, phone: 1-800-245-8679. fax: 724-538-3403
Ask for Fred.
Known to be one of the best chrome shops in the USA. Many top restorers, including Pebble Beech winners, use them.
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Location: bishop, ca | Typically, the 57-59 Dodges will have their engine numbers or VINS (1959) stamped on this loaction.
This frame is a 58 300D, so, nothing was stamped in this location.
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Location: Blackpool, United Kingdom. | Neil there are usually numbers here but i think they are the part number of the frame will have a check later.
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Location: bishop, ca | Yeah, those easy-to-see numbers are the frame's P/N; the engine number is very-lightly hand-stamped through the frame
paint, where I indicate.
The engine number can be very difficult to see, and usually only the lower half of the engine number got imprinted into
the frame steel.
In my car's case, if you already know the engine number, you can recognize it in what little appears in the steel.
The partial-strike, through the paint, implies that the engine number was struck after the body was mated to the frame
and that there was not much room for the guy to swing his hammer.
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I do not believe they have not been posted yet, but they are of the arrival at Raffaele's shop. He bought it from another gentleman that I sold it to in Italy. So these would be the second stop on it's tour of Italy.
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Location: D-70199 Heslach | roadkillontheweb - 2012-04-30 8:41 PM
Which one is you Raffaele?
Raffaele in the guy on video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25K7DE6fcoQ at 2:11 with the basecap and the blue flap trousers
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Location: Torino - Italy | yes , you can see me in the video ..I do not see the look of terror in my face ? .. i dont think to found this number . but i dont check because im very serious chickenpox disease that has plagued me my 4 year old son, I guarantee that 37 years is not nice i hope the next week the body paint man has not yet painted.. but i was checked more time ...too rust pit in this zone
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Location: Torino - Italy | Guys .. Im working from a week on the frame ...painting of all parts .. Sunspension .. I read on the handbook that some parts dont need paint .. For these parts i have sprayed with metal grey .. For steering parts i have painted in semigloss black ..i have rebuilded everything ..all bushing and ball joint .. Tomorrow i will add photos |
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Location: Torino - Italy | guys , i need help urgently , i dont success to find the reference of paint chart for 57 adventurer i need for surf white code L and adventurer gold code P ... i find only frosty white but i dont know if is the same .... please Help me , some parts is ready to paint |
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Location: Blackpool, United Kingdom. | looks like Cloud and Frosty White are S27 colour and white is S26? Code L , Ditzler/PPG 8036, Dupont 2355, 246-59835, 93-59835 |
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I'm getting the same answer, Paul...my "DeSoto Bible" also seems to be stating that "White" was the Adventurer white for 1957 -
PPG 8036
Dupont 2355,246-59835, 93-59835
(from what I read, "Cloud White" and "Frosty White" were Firesweep colours, California and Michigan factories respectively - all three colours will have the same paint code "L" on the cowl tag)
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Location: USA - KY | raffaplymouth - 2012-05-15 3:40 PM
Surf White in this !! i have already see !! , correct for Adventurer is SURF WHITE , I FIND ONLY IN 1955
I've read about that "Surf White" for 1957's too, Raffaele, but I can't find any reference to it in my literature for the 1957 DeSotos.
I left a message with Ed to see if he is available.
I'll keep looking.
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RAFFAELE - I checked the colour chart on Ed Petrus 1957 DeSoto site, and he DOES make reference to the "Surf White" being an Adventurer only white for the 1957.
Hopefully Ed or someone else will know of a paint company that manufactures this colour and the correct order number.
Hang in there!
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Location: Torino - Italy | Ok i wait !! Therefore surf white is different from white or frosty white ??? |
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I cannot find enough information to be sure if the "white" or "frost white" are different than the "surf white"...but Adventurers seemed to have several "Adventurer only" features, so I'd wait to hear from Ed to be sure.
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Raffaele - did you still need a paint code for the Adventurer Gold?
Ditzler PPG 21273
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Location: New Castle PA | Raffaele, any bright white is fine. I used white paint for 2004-2005 Dodge Vipers, and it is called Viper White. All I can see from the can label is that it's Dupont, and there is a number 738476K written on it. Believe it or not, the gold is harder to do.
I've seen DOZENS of Adventurers, and with many different shades of gold, so it's really hard to say what is correct. Tower Paint custom mixes colors for every car imaginable. I bought a spray can of 1957 DeSoto Adventurer gold just to see what it looked like. Supposedly correct, it was obviously wrong. The underside of my trunk lid has never been painted except at the factory, so that is what I use to compare colors, and for comparison with other cars. In my case, I had our local Dupont paint supplier custom-match the underside of the trunk. What he came up with, believe it or not, is International Harvester Gold. In Dupont Chromabase, the can is marked F2637K. I've given this same information out to several other '57 Adventurer restorers, and very few people have argued with me that the color is wrong. Should anyone do so, all I have to do is open the trunk and they can see the very close match of the IH paint to factory DeSoto. |
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Location: Torino - Italy | Ed , thanks ... i think this is a good infos |
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Location: Torino - Italy | Ok Ed .. I have find your white ..with ppg code .. Look like ok .. I have found also the gold reference |
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Location: Torino - Italy | sidesho_bob1961 - 2012-05-21 6:31 PM How many people do you have working on this car with you? By the rate that you're getting things done, I would think you have a team of a few guys working on this car. Very nice work.... no, we are in the garage in two guys , but on the Adventurer i job alone, and only in the evening, or night or on Sundays, days of work we work on customers' cars I would like to work alone on my Desoto !!
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2) 2 hubcaps , i have 5 hubcaps but only two is good , the others is broken , need welding
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Folr that matter, I think it already is.
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Location: Torino - Italy | BarnFind57 - 2012-05-21 8:41 PM Amazing work. Thiss car is gonna be a thing of beauty when you are done... Folr that matter, I think it already is. Thanks! |
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Location: Iowa USA | raffaplymouth - 2012-05-26 12:44 PM
Lee Exline !! look this ...
Beautiful!
It makes me happy to see it getting such great care. And at the same time sad, that I could not do it myself. I look forward to every update and wish I could do more to help.
And I am glad to see you made the choice to go back to the factory White/Gold even though both of us think the Black Gold looks better, it was the right thing to do!
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Looking great, Raffaele!
I can't wait to see it all done!
What an incredible job you've done.
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Location: Brisbane, Australia | Raffe è andare a guardare fantastico posso immaginare come sia stato duro per scegliere i colori. De Petrus mi ha aiutato con i colori della mia 57. E' una grande sensazione di vedere il colore infine sulla vettura. Sono certo che tutti noi amiamo essere parte di essa. Roberto |
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That's easy for you to say, Bob!
BTW...my favourite Italian word (well...besides Ferrari and Lamborghini) is ZEPPOLE!
Hope all is going well, Raffaele!
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Location: Torino - Italy | earleebob1 - 2012-05-27 4:00 AM Raffe è andare a guardare fantastico posso immaginare come sia stato duro per scegliere i colori. De Petrus mi ha aiutato con i colori della mia 57. E' una grande sensazione di vedere il colore infine sulla vettura. Sono certo che tutti noi amiamo essere parte di essa. Roberto Roberto , è stato duro scegliere il colore , ma alla fine ho deciso il Bianco , anche Lee Exline e Ed mi hanno consigliato di farla bianca ...grazie anche a tutti voi !! |
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Location: Torino - Italy | Guys , wich is the correct treatment golding for all script , emblem ?? also for hubcaps ?? I do not know if in Italy there is treatment here ... there is a gold plating, but it is as tough a paint |
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Looking forward to seeing this Adventurer brought back to is former splendor!! |
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Location: Torino - Italy | big m - 2012-05-31 12:58 AM Beautiful job, Raffaele! Looking forward to seeing this Adventurer brought back to is former splendor!! Thanks , The body will go again some time before painting ... I'll put the photos asap, I have not understood why my paint man painted pieces first ... |
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Location: Upplands Väsby, Sweden | Looks very good. But one question: Where the top / conv cylinders should be fastened to the floor, is for me to sit nuts in the floor 3x? that you can bolt the flat iron with a loop in to cylinders. Difficult to see your photos. Know that your floor has been out in these places when you started.
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Location: Torino - Italy | yes is difficult to see in my photos , but in this point i have welding a hard plate 3" X 3" , i will put with 4 bolt another plate that support the cylinder , you understand ?? |
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Location: Torino - Italy | Windsor59 - 2012-06-07 12:21 PM Looks very good. But one question: Where the top / conv cylinders should be fastened to the floor, is for me to sit nuts in the floor 3x? that you can bolt the flat iron with a loop in to cylinders. Difficult to see your photos. Know that your floor has been out in these places when you started. Windsor , you have another photo of this cylinder bracket ??? |
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Location: Sept. 1958 | raffaplymouth - 2012-06-07 8:53 AM
Windsor59 - 2012-06-07 12:21 PM Looks very good. But one question: Where the top / conv cylinders should be fastened to the floor, is for me to sit nuts in the floor 3x? that you can bolt the flat iron with a loop in to cylinders. Difficult to see your photos. Know that your floor has been out in these places when you started. Windsor , you have another photo of this cylinder bracket ???
Looks nice. I have photos of these parts for a Plymouth. Should be the same, will check parts catalog. I removed mine to mount into my replacement floor in the proper area last week. Will post later. Not sure how to attach photos from an iPhone. |
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Location: Torino - Italy | 1958 Plymouth Infina - 2012-05-31 10:08 PM La vostra auto è grande vi prego di continuare a tenerci aggiornati ti amo scelta di colore thats una vettura molto bella e rara potrebbe dirmi se l'auto aveva l'aria di fabbrica? Grazie |
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Location: New Castle PA | Raffaelle, I know you are trying to be very accurate with the restoration, and I appreciate that! When you look into the trunk, the gas tank filler tube should be painted the same color as the main body. I just wanted to be sure you knew that. |
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Location: Sept. 1958 | raffaplymouth - 2012-06-07 8:53 AM
Windsor59 - 2012-06-07 12:21 PM Looks very good. But one question: Where the top / conv cylinders should be fastened to the floor, is for me to sit nuts in the floor 3x? that you can bolt the flat iron with a loop in to cylinders. Difficult to see your photos. Know that your floor has been out in these places when you started. Windsor , you have another photo of this cylinder bracket ???
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Location: Torino - Italy | christine-lover - 2012-06-09 2:38 PM raffaplymouth - 2012-06-07 8:53 AM Windsor59 - 2012-06-07 12:21 PM Looks very good. But one question: Where the top / conv cylinders should be fastened to the floor, is for me to sit nuts in the floor 3x? that you can bolt the flat iron with a loop in to cylinders. Difficult to see your photos. Know that your floor has been out in these places when you started. Windsor , you have another photo of this cylinder bracket ??? Here's a couple from a Plymouth. This pictures is very important for me ,Thanks ... i have the cylinders but i dont have these brackets ... i will build |
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Location: Torino - Italy | 57desoto - 2012-06-09 12:19 AM Raffaelle, I know you are trying to be very accurate with the restoration, and I appreciate that! When you look into the trunk, the gas tank filler tube should be painted the same color as the main body. I just wanted to be sure you knew that. Ok Ed , this is very important info .. let me know wich interior parts need paint white , only the tank tube ?? inside tail fins ?? other parts need paint in white ?? Let me know , the next week my paint man will paint undercoating the floor below |
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Location: New Castle PA | I'm guessing there was a lot of spraying of color in the trunk, but most of it was covered over with cardboard or the rubber mat. Here are 2 pictures of my Firedome trunk. It would be the same as the Adventurer, but my Adventurer has carpeting, and this rubber mat is actually the correct trunk liner. As you can see, the body color shows around the lip of the trunk, under the rubber gasket; it also shows on the hinges, the gas filler tube, and of course, the underside of the trunk lid.
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Location: Blackpool, United Kingdom. | Raffaele,
it looks like most of the inside was body colour, heres the adventurer i bought,you can see the white around the filler tube, hinges and inner quarters, wont be able to check fully till next week or so when it arrives in UK
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Location: bishop, ca | I have many, many, photos of trunk areas (in part, trying to figure out how the asphaltic sound deadener panel was not
exposed to the painting of the underside of the trunk lid---because the deadener panel was installed, in-place, when the two
crimped-together halves of the trunk assembly were painted).
Anyway, a properly original, or restored trunk area would have the bare metal protected by only the OEM gray primer-sealer.
On top of that was the undercoating material that was 'shot' (applied) onto the inner quarter panels and wheel well areas (casually/
carelessly).
After the undercoating was applied, the trunk was attached and adjusted-aligned (casually/carelessly) to the body, and then the
body was painted (with the trunk elevated).
Body-paint over-spray fell generously into the trunk cavity, but, the painters concentrated on applying the main body color to the trunk hinge supports and to the trunk torsion bars (and the underside of the parcel shelf, coincidentally).
And, coincidentally, the middle area (only) of the fuel filler tube received (varying-extents-of) a direct shot of over sprayed body paint on it.
The fuel filler tube should have a lovely combination of OEM primer-sealer, over-sprayed undercoating, over-sprayed body-painting,
and over sprayed (a direct-shot of) body paint (that was intended for the driver's side trunk hinge support.
This 58 Dodge is presently featured over on our 'Craigslist' message board, but, its fuel filler tube is very-
much still in its OEM as-built condition.
Usually, the body paint over-spray is located down-around the center of the tube, but, its location varies with
the attitude/interest/sobriety of the painter.
Also: notice how the over-spray is oriented in the tube's circumference which faces the trunk hinge support.
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Location: Torino - Italy | therefore i will paint all the trunk visible parts in white ??? Another question hood hinges is correct in nikel white or nikel yellow ???, in waine grafen handbook i read white nikel , but i see most of adventurer in nikel yellow .... you know ??? springs i read in black |
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Location: Blackpool, United Kingdom. | zinc then clear passivate, think only the brake booster was yellow passivate, make sure you ask for the clear passivate as the zinc plating on its own will form white rust quickly.
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Location: Torino - Italy | springsweptwing - 2012-06-21 5:48 PM Dont forget that the trunk catch and latch as well as door catches are fitted and painted at same as body. i think i will paint all interior in body color .. otherwise my body man will kill me |
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Location: Torino - Italy | Jessica - 2012-07-11 9:27 PM Amazing work, Raff. I can't believe how this car has transformed into something beautiful, and she isn't even done yet. You are a master. thank you !! |
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As a past owner of the car I can say I am glad you have brought it back from the brink of destruction. When I pulled it from the farmers field so many years ago I knew it was rough but it was so special it had to be saved! I am glad you can do what I could not!
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Location: Torino - Italy | Guys in someone have a stone guard .. I need one .. I have only this ..the 2 august i will fly to Los Angeles and will go to Texas for 20 days .. If you know some junkyards with Desoto parts let me know ..i know only Arnie in San Bernardino ... |
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Location: Iowa USA | I just received a follow up email to the one I quoted below. The picture did not come with the email so I asked him to send it again and I will post it when I get it.
If I can catch VP Joe Biden hitting the campaign trail here in central Iowa in the next few months I will have to make an effort to ask him about the dealership etc.
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Hello again,
I was the guy who told you about VP Biden and his Dad working at the Hollywood -Perkins Desoto dealership. My Grandfather was James Hollywood. There was a story from VP Biden's book that his father had a boss who threw silver dollars on the floor at Christmas time and watched his employees scramble for them. Someone then assumed that my Grandfather or his partner were the people who did that. I'd like to set the record straight since this story has gotten to many forums.
My son Matthew ran into Vice President Biden at the beach here in Delaware in June. Joe was busy working a crowd of girls and women, so my son spoke up and said" I'm Colonel Hollywood's great grandson. Immediately, Joe came over to talk to him. They spoke for a few minutes and my son asked Joe if Jim Hollywood was the owner who threw the silver dollars on the floor at Christmas. Joe said " No that was the owner of the Ford dealership my father worked at."
Maybe you could post this on your Desoto forum. I've attached a picture of my Grandfather at his dealership.
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The story behind the car might have just got a little more interesting.
I hate to bring up anything political on this forum but I thought this was interesting.
I got an email from someone that had read that my old Desoto Aventurer convertible was sold new at the Hollywood Perkins Desoto dealership in Wilmington Deleware. Following is the email.
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Just saw your article about your Desoto. I was searching for info about my Grandfather who died 2 months after I was born. His name was Colonel James F Hollywood, co-owner of the dealership you spoke of. I am trying to find some old pictures of his dealership. It is now a beaten up motorcycle club in what is now the worst part of Wilmington. Let me know if I can help you with any information. My Grandfather employed Joe Bidens father and uncle there in the 50's."
I was sceptical so I did a Wiki search on Joe and this was in the information about him.
"Biden's father had been very well-off earlier in his life, but had suffered several business reverses by the time Biden was born, and for several years the family had to live with Biden's maternal grandparents, the Finnegans. When the Scranton area went into economic decline during the 1950s, Biden's father could not find enough work. In 1953, the Biden family moved to an apartment in Claymont, Delaware, where they lived for a few years before moving to a house in Wilmington, Delaware. Joe Biden Sr. then did better as a used car salesman, and the family's circumstances were middle class"
So I would say that the information is credible, and the VPs dad worked at the desoto dealership when joe was a teenager. in another article the Vice president stated "Joe Jr. learned a number of lessons during his father’s lean years that he regularly cites in speeches and interviews. In his autobiography, he tells the story of his father quitting a job as sales manager for an auto dealership because the owner, who liked to reward his employees and customers with silver dollars, decided to amuse himself at the dealership’s Christmas party by spilling out a bucket of silver dollars on the dance floor to watch his workers scramble to scoop up the coins. Joe Sr. gathered up his wife and walked out, never to return." So it appears from this he was a sales manager at Hollywood Perkins? It is possible that Joe SR was involved in the sale of this car.
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Location: Torino - Italy | intriguing history of this car ... I wonder if he had sold the car .. there were other employees of this dealer ?? i dont see phopto attacched ... |
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Location: Iowa USA | raffaplymouth - 2012-07-27 12:10 AM
intriguing history of this car ... I wonder if he had sold the car .. there were other employees of this dealer ?? i dont see phopto attacched ...
He did not send the photos until this morning
I have them posted in this thread http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=31437
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Location: Torino - Italy | d500neil - 2012-10-01 9:15 PM Bellissimo, when do the braces get removed, for paint touch-up at their welded areas? yes , paint touch up in these area ... |
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Location: Torino - Italy | di_ch_NY56 - 2012-10-01 10:28 PM It looks wonderful. Congratulazione! I also like the cars in the back, the Pajero and the Alfa 147. Good luck! Dieter thanks !! but i dont like 147 and pajero !! is plastic cars !! |
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Location: Torino - Italy | There will be a lot of time for assembling ... I'm still missing a lot of parts that will buy in long time .... need also redone all interior ....in the meantime if anyone can help me with these missing parts:
sunvisors + brackets
tail light bezel
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Location: Torino - Italy | Now I will try to put more parts as possible, to free up space, then this winter I will be working on Dashboard , engine , trans ... also will be rechrome the bumpers ... i think 2-3 years for finish |
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Taillight lenses...http://www.kpusabil.se/? Or George Laurie.
Removable Sunvisor Brackets, they were repro'd on eBay but not anymore that I can find. Sellers were either collectorautoparts or kimballmachineshop.
Hydroelectric in Florida has convertible pump, cylinders? and hoses.
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Location: Fleetwood, Pa | Why didn't you apply the gold to the scallop area prior to spraying the entire body with clear? I would think it would have been much easier to do both colors first , then apply the clear.... |
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Location: Southern CA | christine-lover - 2012-10-03 1:13 PM
Looking very nice, great job!!!!!
Taillight lenses...http://www.kpusabil.se/? Or George Laurie.
Removable Sunvisor Brackets, they were repro'd on eBay but not anymore that I can find. Sellers were either collectorautoparts or kimballmachineshop.
Hydroelectric in Florida has convertible pump, cylinders? and hoses.
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Location: Torino - Italy | Leadfoot1000 - 2012-10-04 2:06 PM christine-lover - 2012-10-03 1:13 PM Looking very nice, great job!!!!! Taillight lenses...http://www.kpusabil.se/? Or George Laurie. Removable Sunvisor Brackets, they were repro'd on eBay but not anymore that I can find. Sellers were either collectorautoparts or kimballmachineshop. Hydroelectric in Florida has convertible pump, cylinders? and hoses. Big M may have taillight housings. I have read many bad reviews about George Laurie. He has ripped-off a lot people. I wouldn't buy even a grommet from him. i will contact kbusabill .. would avoid buying from Laurie, when I made the 300E, I waited a year for logos and lens from laurie ... |
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Location: Torino - Italy | sidesho_bob1961 - 2012-10-04 12:46 PM Why didn't you apply the gold to the scallop area prior to spraying the entire body with clear? I would think it would have been much easier to do both colors first , then apply the clear.... i dont know for this .. my body paint man decided to do so '... |
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Location: New Castle PA | Sideshow, if you mean the scallop on the front fenders, it DOES NOT get painted the gold color. Raffa did it correctly. There's a metal insert that is painted the gold, and it just "sits" there in the space between moldings. That's true for all 1957 DeSotos, not just the Adventurers. I think it was a way of saving time. In stead of masking things off and re-spraying, they just grabbed the correct color insert to match whatever the lower sweep color was and inserted it into that space. |
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Location: Blackpool, United Kingdom. | sidesho_bob1961 - 2012-10-05 1:59 PM
I aware of that.......I mean on the doors and quarters.....
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Location: Torino - Italy | 57desoto - 2012-10-05 12:59 PM Sideshow, if you mean the scallop on the front fenders, it DOES NOT get painted the gold color. Raffa did it correctly. There's a metal insert that is painted the gold, and it just "sits" there in the space between moldings. That's true for all 1957 DeSotos, not just the Adventurers. I think it was a way of saving time. In stead of masking things off and re-spraying, they just grabbed the correct color insert to match whatever the lower sweep color was and inserted it into that space. In fact, next week, let's all molding, draw the demarcation of gold and then painted gold ... |
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springsweptwing - 2012-10-05 4:32 PM you should have a pair of these, if you need a template let me know, Paul. i dont know what is this ???
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Location: bishop, ca | Raffa, what kind of paint is that, that imparts a definitely gold plated-look, to metal?
Your parts look like they have 24K gold plating on them!
Is there a corresponding Silver paint, too?
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Location: Torino - Italy | springsweptwing - 2012-10-08 10:28 PM Raffaele, do you have the chequered inserts for the Forwardlook emblems on quarter, Paul. yes .. I have this !!! |
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Location: Torino - Italy | d500neil - 2012-10-08 10:27 PM Raffa, what kind of paint is that, that imparts a definitely gold plated-look, to metal? Your parts look like they have 24K gold plating on them! Is there a corresponding Silver paint, too? yea ... Look like 24k .. This is new procedure a Torino .. Very expensive but very nice ... http://www.newfantachrome.com/index.php?id=98 |
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Location: ZH, Switzerland | Big congratulations to your effort and perfect work. Your Adventure is looking marvelous actually. I wish good luck for all work you have to do to finisih your wonderful Adventure. Do you start with the wiring harness, the heater system and the dahsbord soon?
Happy Motoring!
Dieter
BTW: second sight: WOW, the windshield's mounted. I'm so happy to see the progress or your De Soto
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BEFORE & AFTER...so far...
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Location: Malmberget, Sweden | Is this part of the restoration more fun than the start of the project?
It´s been fun to read about your progress whith the car.
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Location: Torino - Italy | di_ch_NY56 - 2012-10-14 9:19 AM Big congratulations to your effort and perfect work. Your Adventure is looking marvelous actually. I wish good luck for all work you have to do to finisih your wonderful Adventure. Do you start with the wiring harness, the heater system and the dahsbord soon? Happy Motoring! Dieter BTW: second sight: WOW, the windshield's mounted. I'm so happy to see the progress or your De Soto yes , i will start with restoring the heater box and dashboard , need also reassembly the engine and trans |
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Location: bishop, ca | Raffa, how do you keep the door handles from chipping the paint around them, when you install the handles?
Two man job?
Masking tape around the openings?
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Location: ZH, Switzerland | raffaplymouth - 2012-10-13 7:23 PM
di_ch_NY56 - 2012-10-14 9:19 AM Big congratulations to your effort and perfect work. Your Adventure is looking marvelous actually. I wish good luck for all work you have to do to finisih your wonderful Adventure. Do you start with the wiring harness, the heater system and the dahsbord soon? Happy Motoring! Dieter BTW: second sight: WOW, the windshield's mounted. I'm so happy to see the progress or your De Soto yes , i will start with restoring the heater box and dashboard , need also reassembly the engine and trans
Thank you very much for your answer. Big congratulation to your adjustment of the doors (and of course the alignement of all sheet metals of the body). The alignement of the doors of your wonderful Adventure is ways better than out of the factory and e.g. my Chrysler New Yorker (1956).
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Location: somerville mass | when it comes to vfoeward look cars, you are the best craftsman in the world!!! a pile of junk in 3 pieces that was once a car - and now this! if i ever win the lottery and money is no object and i need a fwd look restored - like my favoritre - a 1960 chrysler 300 f i will have it shipped to you no questions asked! |
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| Just couple lines to say you have done a great job on the car. It is unbelievable in what condition the car was and in what condition is it now.
And also great choice to paint the car in the original colors. It is such a nice car that it doesn't matter in what colors it will be, but bringing back theoriginal colors is the best choice you were able to do.
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Location: Torino - Italy | d500neil - 2012-10-14 8:06 PM Raffa, how do you keep the door handles from chipping the paint around them, when you install the handles? Two man job? Masking tape around the openings? i dont understand why masking around handle ?? sorry , i dont understand |
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Location: Nasco , SWEDEN | AMAZING, Raffaele just amazing! This thread will get me through the winter............... 
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Location: Torino - Italy | Guys , anyone know lower windshield moldings clips ??? i dont success to find ... is like " L" |
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Location: bishop, ca | Masking around the door handle openings can protect the paint from chipping or scratching when you are installing
the door handles ("fishing" the handle and its mechanisms into and through the opening, and positioning them, and tightening
them down).
The handles enter the openings at an angle, and then have to be turned/rotated somewhat to seat them properly, and
it is easy to move the handle's edges around, against the paint, in the process.
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Location: Torino - Italy | d500neil - 2012-10-18 9:28 AM Masking around the door handle openings can protect the paint from chipping or scratching when you are installing the door handles ("fishing" the handle and its mechanisms into and through the opening, and positioning them, and tightening them down). The handles enter the openings at an angle, and then have to be turned/rotated somewhat to seat them properly, and it is easy to move the handle's edges around, against the paint, in the process. oh yes .... you right , good info !! |
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someone know the correct color of this buckets ??? i dont find in the handbook .. i think semigloss black ???
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Location: DFW, TX | I have seen '57 Adventurers both ways, although I do think they are supposed to be black according to the factory literature I recall seeing.
The original press images show them body color. The original advertisement shows them black.
Is there any evidence of what color they were originally?
Most of the unrestored cars I've seen had them black, but restored cars are about half black and half body color. I think it's pretty evident that cars were built both ways.
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Location: Torino - Italy | sidesho_bob1961 - 2012-10-18 9:54 PM I don't think he's asking about the outer headlite trim bezel. The picture is of the inner headlite buckets which actually holds the headlites, which I would think would be black..... sorry .. My question is for inner buckets i dont know the right name .. Headlight brackets .. |
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Location: Torino - Italy | 57desoto - 2012-10-20 10:03 PM I do believe they are a galvanized metal, not painted, as christine-lover says. They can't be seen once on the car, so it isn't a major issue. ok for galvanized !! thanks |
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Location: Upplands Väsby, Sweden | HI raffaplymouth
Soon it will be too late to repent, (has so desire to take over now)
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Bumpers ready to chrome redone ... i don't think this is the original bumpers or found from another car ... Lee Exline you know ??
Front bumper must be from another car, as it did not have a front bumper when it left my house.
I figured I would use the bumper from my 57 Adventurer coupe parts car.
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2012-10-21 12:35 AM Here is a shot of it on the trailer the day it left my house. i dont see also the rear bumper , Antonello Jelitro take me front and rear bumper .. is of your coupè ?? |
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Location: Torino - Italy | 57burb - 2012-10-18 9:49 PM I have seen '57 Adventurers both ways, although I do think they are supposed to be black according to the factory literature I recall seeing. The original press images show them body color. The original advertisement shows them black. Is there any evidence of what color they were originally? Most of the unrestored cars I've seen had them black, but restored cars are about half black and half body color. I think it's pretty evident that cars were built both ways. |
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Location: Brisbane, Australia | Hi Raffi --- join the club they are quite rare. I think most rusted away when they filled up with mud. I am going to fabricate a pair from sheet metal --- cant be that hard!!!?
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Location: Torino - Italy | earleebob1 - 2012-10-22 9:39 PM Hi Raffi --- join the club they are quite rare. I think most rusted away when they filled up with mud. I am going to fabricate a pair from sheet metal --- cant be that hard!!!? cheers Bob BTW love your work :) you speak for front bumperette ?? |
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Location: Brisbane, Australia | raffaplymouth - 2012-10-23 5:51 AM
earleebob1 - 2012-10-22 9:39 PM Hi Raffi --- join the club they are quite rare. I think most rusted away when they filled up with mud. I am going to fabricate a pair from sheet metal --- cant be that hard!!!? cheers Bob BTW love your work :) you speak for front bumperette ??
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Location: bishop, ca | The white (never gold, right?) 1957 Adventurer headlight panels were probably, like the 1961 DeSoto's partially-painted
tail light housings, and the body-color painted 1957 Dodge (non-Dog-Dish-) wheels were probably prototype/pre-production/
advertising agency creations, that never made it into production.
Did all of the 1957 DeSoto production models have the black (subcontractor-)painted headlight doors, or did any
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roadkillontheweb - 2012-10-21 12:35 AM Here is a shot of it on the trailer the day it left my house. i dont see also the rear bumper , Antonello Jelitro take me front and rear bumper .. is of your coupè ??
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Location: Southern CA | Raffaele, I recommend you are very careful when selecting the door weatherstrip. I think you will be disappointed with the product supplied by the usual parts suppliers. Especially if you have already glued it in place and find out your door doesn't fit right. Try taping it in place first to check the fit of the door. I have a 57 New Yorker and the door fit was great before installing the "replacement" weatherstrip, now the doors do not fit tight at the bottom rear (see photo 1).
The original door weatherstrip had 3 different profiles molded into one rubber strip (see photo 2), I'm sure the factory did this to allow the door to fit properly. But nobody that I can find makes the original style. I plan to replace mine with some for a late model car that has a similar profile, but is hollow (empty) inside so it can easily form to the different clearances between the door and jamb. Steve
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Location: New Castle PA | Raffaele, those front bumper guards are options, and only belong on your car if the cowl tag says so. NOT standard on Adventurers. Since you've gone this far trying to be as correct as possible on your car, I suggest leaving them off if they didn't come there. Look at the cowl tag and you'll know. Neil, we've had the headlight door discussion before -- I'm not aware of any 1957 DeSoto headlight doors being painted body color. The standard is black. HOWEVER, Wayne Graefen pointed out that SOME Adventurers built prior to February 1957 had argent painted headlight doors. Therefore, I guess it's possible that some Fireflites, for example, had them, too. For my money, I'd make them all black and know they are right. |
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I just obtained a really nice, very light weight cover for my DeSoto that fits well and doesn't trap water and moisture under it, if you need a link to where you can find a cover that fits.
Just let me know.
You're doing GREAT work!
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Location: Torino - Italy | FIN ME - 2012-10-23 4:22 PM raffaplymouth - 2012-10-20 4:18 PM Car cover look like too small [/IMG] Uploaded with ImageShack.us That looks familiar, Raffey! I just obtained a really nice, very light weight cover for my DeSoto that fits well and doesn't trap water and moisture under it, if you need a link to where you can find a cover that fits. Just let me know. You're doing GREAT work! : ) |
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Location: Torino - Italy | 57desoto - 2012-10-23 1:22 PM Raffaele, those front bumper guards are options, and only belong on your car if the cowl tag says so. NOT standard on Adventurers. Since you've gone this far trying to be as correct as possible on your car, I suggest leaving them off if they didn't come there. Look at the cowl tag and you'll know. Neil, we've had the headlight door discussion before -- I'm not aware of any 1957 DeSoto headlight doors being painted body color. The standard is black. HOWEVER, Wayne Graefen pointed out that SOME Adventurers built prior to February 1957 had argent painted headlight doors. Therefore, I guess it's possible that some Fireflites, for example, had them, too. For my money, I'd make them all black and know they are right. ok ! Ed , tomorrow i will check on my plate , i think have the bumper guard .. thank for your help |
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Location: Torino - Italy | Leadfoot1000 - 2012-10-23 6:12 AM Raffaele, I recommend you are very careful when selecting the door weatherstrip. I think you will be disappointed with the product supplied by the usual parts suppliers. Especially if you have already glued it in place and find out your door doesn't fit right. Try taping it in place first to check the fit of the door. I have a 57 New Yorker and the door fit was great before installing the "replacement" weatherstrip, now the doors do not fit tight at the bottom rear (see photo 1). The original door weatherstrip had 3 different profiles molded into one rubber strip (see photo 2), I'm sure the factory did this to allow the door to fit properly. But nobody that I can find makes the original style. I plan to replace mine with some for a late model car that has a similar profile, but is hollow (empty) inside so it can easily form to the different clearances between the door and jamb. Steve i will lt you know for this ..i have buy the door seal from goers ..2 years ago |
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2012-10-23 3:52 AM raffaplymouth - 2012-10-22 1:33 PM roadkillontheweb - 2012-10-21 12:35 AM Here is a shot of it on the trailer the day it left my house. i dont see also the rear bumper , Antonello Jelitro take me front and rear bumper .. is of your coupè ?? They did not come off of my coupe he must have picked them up somewhere else? |
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Location: Torino - Italy | earleebob1 - 2012-10-22 11:52 PM raffaplymouth - 2012-10-23 5:51 AM earleebob1 - 2012-10-22 9:39 PM Hi Raffi --- join the club they are quite rare. I think most rusted away when they filled up with mud. I am going to fabricate a pair from sheet metal --- cant be that hard!!!? cheers Bob BTW love your work :) you speak for front bumperette ?? yes the front ones wow , great pictures .. i dont have this ,is very difficult to build ... i hope dont have in my plate .. |
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Here's the company we bought our car cover from.
They have covers made to fit the 1957 DeSotos. Ours fits very well.
They are very light in weight, and there are several types to choose from. We got the "ultimate" cover. It can be used on a car that is kept either outside or inside.
http://www.calcarcover.com/cover_materials.aspx?cname=All&ct=Both
I think ours cost a little over $300.00 USA plus shipping.
You can get your car's make and model put on it too for a little extra cost.
Such a beautiful car as yours deserves a nice coat.
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Location: ZH, Switzerland | Hello Raffaele
Big thank you for your latest picture. I like your convertible very much. It looks so wonderful like a star from the sky - or like a dream that will never become true for me. It's very hard now to imagine how your De Soto once looked when you saw it the first time and - I assume - thousands of hours you spent to rejuvenate this rare beauty. I with you very good luck for your further work.
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Location: Torino - Italy | i have installed the inner and outer windshield molding , all stainless steel polished , the screws look like #10 but the head is too big fot the seat ... look like is ok #10 screw with #8 head dimension ... someone can help me ?? |
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Location: Torino - Italy | di_ch_NY56 - 2012-10-28 7:45 PM Hello Raffaele Big thank you for your latest picture. I like your convertible very much. It looks so wonderful like a star from the sky - or like a dream that will never become true for me. It's very hard now to imagine how your De Soto once looked when you saw it the first time and - I assume - thousands of hours you spent to rejuvenate this rare beauty. I with you very good luck for your further work. Happy Motoring! Dieter Thank you for considering these...where you live in swisse ?? i go every year at oesingen car meeting ... |
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | raffaplymouth - 2012-10-28 7:48 PM
i have installed the inner and outer windshield molding , all stainless steel polished , the screws look like #10 but the head is too big fot the seat ... look like is ok #10 screw with #8 head dimension ... someone can help me ??
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Location: ZH, Switzerland | raffaplymouth - 2012-10-27 7:52 PM
di_ch_NY56 - 2012-10-28 7:45 PM Hello Raffaele Big thank you for your latest picture. I like your convertible very much. It looks so wonderful like a star from the sky - or like a dream that will never become true for me. It's very hard now to imagine how your De Soto once looked when you saw it the first time and - I assume - thousands of hours you spent to rejuvenate this rare beauty. I with you very good luck for your further work. Happy Motoring! Dieter Thank you for considering these...where you live in swisse ?? i go every year at oesingen car meeting ...
Hello Raffaele
Actually I live in Untersiggenthal, AG. It's rather close to Oensingen (about an hour or a little bit more) on the highway. My Chrysler is located close by to Kaisten AG - that's close to the German border.
I don't know if I'll attend to the Oensingen meeting in 2013 - it would be my first time...
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Location: New Castle PA | Raffaelle, you know I'm one of your biggest fans, so I'm only pointing out a few things to help you. On the front fenders, the picture looks like you did paint the section between the moldings. As we noted in an earlier post, you should be able to see that the fender is not painted the gold -- just the metal insert is painted, and it rests between the moldings. You can usually tell when it's right because you can see a small strip of body-color paint at the rear edge of that insert, since it doesn't cover up the absolute complete space between the moldings. Maybe I'm wrong looking at your picture, but that's what it looks like to me, since I can see gold all the way back to the edge of the fender. I'll attach a picture showing what I mean. Yours should look just like this but with the colors reversed, of course.
I'm guessing you have the headlight chrome frames on the fenders just to check their fit. In reality, the chrome edge is riveted onto the black buckets, and installed over the inner light housings and the lamps themselves. Often, after rechroming, you can put the black parts in place, and have the chrome surrounds just "hold them", but the factory version was attached together, as I said, with the rivets.
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Location: D-70199 Heslach | springsweptwing - 2012-10-04 5:06 PM
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springsweptwing - 2012-10-05 4:32 PM you should have a pair of these, if you need a template let me know, Paul. i dont know what is this ???
this is the metal insert for the front fender.
57desoto - 2012-10-29 3:33 AM
Raffaelle, you know I'm one of your biggest fans, so I'm only pointing out a few things to help you. On the front fenders, the picture looks like you did paint the section between the moldings. As we noted in an earlier post, you should be able to see that the fender is not painted the gold -- just the metal insert is painted, and it rests between the moldings. You can usually tell when it's right because you can see a small strip of body-color paint at the rear edge of that insert, since it doesn't cover up the absolute complete space between the moldings. Maybe I'm wrong looking at your picture, but that's what it looks like to me, since I can see gold all the way back to the edge of the fender. I'll attach a picture showing what I mean. Yours should look just like this but with the colors reversed, of course.
I'm guessing you have the headlight chrome frames on the fenders just to check their fit. In reality, the chrome edge is riveted onto the black buckets, and installed over the inner light housings and the lamps themselves. Often, after rechroming, you can put the black parts in place, and have the chrome surrounds just "hold them", but the factory version was attached together, as I said, with the rivets.
FABULOUS job you're doing!
Hello Paul & Ed,
I'm interested in these insert's. Are these only on Adventurer's or on the other model's too ?
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Location: Torino - Italy | ToMopar - 2012-11-01 3:23 PM springsweptwing - 2012-10-04 5:06 PM raffaplymouth - 2012-10-05 3:48 PM springsweptwing - 2012-10-05 4:32 PM you should have a pair of these, if you need a template let me know, Paul. i dont know what is this ??? this is the metal insert for the front fender. 57desoto - 2012-10-29 3:33 AM Raffaelle, you know I'm one of your biggest fans, so I'm only pointing out a few things to help you. On the front fenders, the picture looks like you did paint the section between the moldings. As we noted in an earlier post, you should be able to see that the fender is not painted the gold -- just the metal insert is painted, and it rests between the moldings. You can usually tell when it's right because you can see a small strip of body-color paint at the rear edge of that insert, since it doesn't cover up the absolute complete space between the moldings. Maybe I'm wrong looking at your picture, but that's what it looks like to me, since I can see gold all the way back to the edge of the fender. I'll attach a picture showing what I mean. Yours should look just like this but with the colors reversed, of course. I'm guessing you have the headlight chrome frames on the fenders just to check their fit. In reality, the chrome edge is riveted onto the black buckets, and installed over the inner light housings and the lamps themselves. Often, after rechroming, you can put the black parts in place, and have the chrome surrounds just "hold them", but the factory version was attached together, as I said, with the rivets. FABULOUS job you're doing! Hello Paul & Ed, I'm interested in these insert's. Are these only on Adventurer's or on the other model's too ? /ToM |
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Location: D-70199 Heslach | raffaplymouth - 2012-10-31 3:32 PM
i think the insert only on two tone paint car
Hej Raffaele, most 57 DeSoto are two tone, therefor the question. And is the insert only on front fender.....
/ToM
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Location: Torino - Italy | Guys , this is my body tag  [/IMG] Uploaded with ImageShack.us THANK YOU TOM , I SEE ED PAGE !! 1C3 SEQ NUMBER 388 SEQ NUMBER 563 ADVENTURER CONVERTIBLE PLP WHITE GOLD WHITE 546 ADVENTURER BLOCK TWEED WHEAT VINIL INTERIOR AG ACCESSORY GROUP GG GLAMOUR GROUP PS POWER STEERING PH I DONT KNOW PW POWER WINDOWS RM ROOF MOLDING SS STONE SHIELD UC UNDERCOATING SPL SPECIAL CS COLOR SWEEP BG BUMPER GUARD A B C
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Location: Torino - Italy | I HAVE BUY THIS ANTENNAS ON EBAY , WAS FOR DESOTO ADVENTURERS BUT THE NUT LOOK LIKE DIFFERENT.. I SEE BLACK IN MOST ADV ..., I HAVE PUT ALSO THE OLD BEZEL UNDER THE NUT  [/IMG]
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Location: The Bat Cave, Fairborn, OH | Beautiful work! Nothing looks so fine as a Forward Look body straight and true right after it comes out of the paint booth. If Mother MoPar had taken that much care in assembling them in the first place, they would have sold a couple of thousand more in the '50s. |
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Location: Torino - Italy | Today I made an inventory of parts and I found that I miss the main wiring harness , i have only power windows harness and convertible motor harness , i dont have the main harness
this is the list of parts that i need ( hard to find ):
wiring harness
left and right mirrors
tail light bezels
tail light lens ( kbusabil are discontinued)
all lock and key
power steering box wedge ( for adjust column allignement )
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Location: D-70199 Heslach | Kent & Peter of kpusabil moved this autumn. Mail them kpbensin@swipnet.se - I am sure they have the lenses in stock - I think I've seen some at their place
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Location: Torino - Italy | ToMopar - 2012-11-01 6:21 PM Kent & Peter of kpusabil moved this autumn. Mail them kpbensin@swipnet.se - I am sure they have the lenses in stock - I think I've seen some at their place Tom , i speak with peter 1 week ago , told me dont have any lens in stock .... |
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Location: Sept. 1958 | raffaplymouth - 2012-11-01 12:15 PM
Today I made an inventory of parts and I found that I miss the main wiring harness , i have only power windows harness and convertible motor harness , i dont have the main harness
this is the list of parts that i need ( hard to find ):
wiring harness
left and right mirrors
tail light bezels
tail light lens ( kbusabil are discontinued)
all lock and key
power steering box wedge ( for adjust column allignement )
Mirrors are repro'd item #170652991801 on eBay.
Wiring harnesses are custom made by Greg, correctly:
Greg Leggatt
8738 County Road 2
Napanee, Ontario
Canada. K7R 3L1
Phone: 613-354-2712
Rest you could get used from a salvage yard.
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Try this webpage for the electrical harness! They are making the best reproduction harnesses you will ever find.
http://www.repro-parts.com/
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Location: New Castle PA | The painted inserts are for all 1957 DeSoto models with 2-tone paint. Raffaelle, the seller of those antennas drives me crazy. He says they will fit a 1957 DeSoto, and he's correct, but they are NOT reproductions of the originals. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Raffa, AG Back East can restore (replicate, actually) your car's P/T plate:
http://www.datatags.com/
It's reverse side may confirm the numbers that you can not see clearly, on its corroded front side.
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Location: New Castle PA | On your data plate, Raffaelle, it's not a PH, it's a PB, for Power Brakes. You have nothing stamped there because the Adventurers came with power brakes as standard equipment. Also, By now you know that your car should NOT have the bumper guards. |
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Location: Torino - Italy | earleebob1 - 2012-11-02 11:39 PM Buongiorno Raffe la vostra auto ha un ottimo aspetto. I managed to buy a pair of reproduction aerials on eBay a couple of years back. I think the stem is fairly close to the original Roberto THANKS , YOUR ANTENNA IS CLOSE TO ORIGINAL , BUT THE ORIGINAL STEM WAS BLACK PLASTIC , NOT PAINTED ... |
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Location: Torino - Italy | d500neil - 2012-11-03 12:15 AM Raffa, AG Back East can restore (replicate, actually ) your car's P/T plate: http://www.datatags.com/ It's reverse side may confirm the numbers that you can not see clearly, on its corroded front side. |
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Location: Torino - Italy | 57desoto - 2012-11-03 1:54 PM On your data plate, Raffaelle, it's not a PH, it's a PB, for Power Brakes. You have nothing stamped there because the Adventurers came with power brakes as standard equipment. Also, By now you know that your car should NOT have the bumper guards. ED .. NOT BUMPER GUARD ?? ED , I SEE BG ....!! |
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Location: Torino - Italy | d500neil - 2012-11-03 12:15 AM Raffa, AG Back East can restore (replicate, actually ) your car's P/T plate: http://www.datatags.com/ It's reverse side may confirm the numbers that you can not see clearly, on its corroded front side. |
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Location: New Castle PA | No, Raffaelle. The BG letters are stamped on EVERY plate. You only HAVE the bumper guards if there is a number 3 stamped below the BG, or if you have a number 7 stamped below the GG. Again, all the tags have the LETTERS stamped. It's the numbers under the letters that matter. |
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Location: Torino - Italy | 57desoto - 2012-11-03 10:02 PM No, Raffaelle. The BG letters are stamped on EVERY plate. You only HAVE the bumper guards if there is a number 3 stamped below the BG, or if you have a number 7 stamped below the GG. Again, all the tags have the LETTERS stamped. It's the numbers under the letters that matter. THIS IS A GOOD NEWS FOR ME , WAS VERY HARD TO FIND A SET OF BUMPER GUARD AND REAR BODY END MOLDINGS ( FROM BUMPER TO BODY ) |
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Location: Torino - Italy | HEADLIGHT BUCKETS IN SEMIGLOSS BLACK , I do not have much to do on the body .. next week will go to the body shop to fix the rear quarter because it is slightly more rounded and I can not perfectly match the molding ...in the meantime, this winter I have to do on the restoration of all details , interior , dashboard , engine , trans ..sometimes think I'm not even half of this work..  [/IMG] Uploaded with ImageShack.us [/IMG] Uploaded with ImageShack.us
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Location: Upper East Tennessee | I bought a new harness from Greg Leggatt and it is awesome! He does a fantastic job! I would highly recommend him.
christine-lover - 2012-11-01 12:58 PM
raffaplymouth - 2012-11-01 12:15 PM
Today I made an inventory of parts and I found that I miss the main wiring harness , i have only power windows harness and convertible motor harness , i dont have the main harness
this is the list of parts that i need ( hard to find ):
wiring harness
left and right mirrors
tail light bezels
tail light lens ( kbusabil are discontinued)
all lock and key
power steering box wedge ( for adjust column allignement )
Mirrors are repro'd item #170652991801 on eBay.
Wiring harnesses are custom made by Greg, correctly:
Greg Leggatt
8738 County Road 2
Napanee, Ontario
Canada. K7R 3L1
Phone: 613-354-2712
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This Swedis guy (Roger) have make new moldings to the trunk.
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Windsor59, do you have more pic's of that car?
Raffey, you continue to do such a WONDERFUL job of restoring this beautiful Adventurer! And this entire thread has been so informative for all of us who have been following your progress.
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Location: Brisbane, Australia | Hey Raffe I thought these might look good on my Flite also- I am the current high bidder!
They're probably going to cost someone a lot of money!!!
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Location: Torino - Italy | earleebob1 - 2012-11-10 10:01 PM Hey Raffe I thought these might look good on my Flite also- I am the current high bidder! They're probably going to cost someone a lot of money!!! Roberto wow ! , im very happy if you win this guards , but i think is very high prices ... i dont think to install on my adv .. if Ed have confirmed my car dont have |
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Location: Iowa USA | raffaplymouth - 2012-11-11 5:48 AM
i dont know when Lee found the car have bumper guards , probably the front was crashed and was replaced with another bumper with guard
The owner that brought the car to Iowa was a young kid in college. His brother said he was a bit of a hell raiser and it was a car with a lot of horsepower with drum brakes and non radial tires. The person he sold it to also said that his father was tired of bailing him out of trouble So there is a very good chance that he did wreck the car and this was a replacement bumper? The second owner actually picked it up at the Chrysler dealership in Fairfield and I seem to remember that part of the sale of the car went to pay the dealer for work he had done to the car.
There is also a good chance that he had the dealer install them too. If he wanted a black and gold car bad enough to have it repainted when new, there is a very good chance that he had the dealer dress it up also.
Raffy, have you ever been able to contact the second owner other than send he pictures? She still has a wealth of information about the car and the guy she bought it from. |
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2012-11-11 1:24 PM raffaplymouth - 2012-11-11 5:48 AM i dont know when Lee found the car have bumper guards , probably the front was crashed and was replaced with another bumper with guard The owner that brought the car to Iowa was a young kid in college. His brother said he was a bit of a hell raiser and it was a car with a lot of horsepower with drum brakes and non radial tires. The person he sold it to also said that his father was tired of bailing him out of trouble So there is a very good chance that he did wreck the car and this was a replacement bumper? The second owner actually picked it up at the Chrysler dealership in Fairfield and I seem to remember that part of the sale of the car went to pay the dealer for work he had done to the car. There is also a good chance that he had the dealer install them too. If he wanted a black and gold car bad enough to have it repainted when new, there is a very good chance that he had the dealer dress it up also. Raffy, have you ever been able to contact the second owner other than send he pictures? She still has a wealth of information about the car and the guy she bought it from. |
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Location: Iowa USA | raffaplymouth - 2012-11-11 10:02 AM
roadkillontheweb - 2012-11-11 1:24 PM raffaplymouth - 2012-11-11 5:48 AM i dont know when Lee found the car have bumper guards , probably the front was crashed and was replaced with another bumper with guard The owner that brought the car to Iowa was a young kid in college. His brother said he was a bit of a hell raiser and it was a car with a lot of horsepower with drum brakes and non radial tires. The person he sold it to also said that his father was tired of bailing him out of trouble So there is a very good chance that he did wreck the car and this was a replacement bumper? The second owner actually picked it up at the Chrysler dealership in Fairfield and I seem to remember that part of the sale of the car went to pay the dealer for work he had done to the car. There is also a good chance that he had the dealer install them too. If he wanted a black and gold car bad enough to have it repainted when new, there is a very good chance that he had the dealer dress it up also. Raffy, have you ever been able to contact the second owner other than send he pictures? She still has a wealth of information about the car and the guy she bought it from. i understand .. probably was added from Dealer ... Lee i had written at Marilyn j. Schmidt around 6 month ago ..., but I never received an answer, I would be happy to learn more and see more photos , advise me to write another time or make a call phone? probably the mail was missing ...
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Location: New Castle PA | I do see the bumper guards on the car when it was Lee's, but they were not on it from the factory... |
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2012-11-11 6:39 PM raffaplymouth - 2012-11-11 10:02 AM roadkillontheweb - 2012-11-11 1:24 PM raffaplymouth - 2012-11-11 5:48 AM i dont know when Lee found the car have bumper guards , probably the front was crashed and was replaced with another bumper with guard The owner that brought the car to Iowa was a young kid in college. His brother said he was a bit of a hell raiser and it was a car with a lot of horsepower with drum brakes and non radial tires. The person he sold it to also said that his father was tired of bailing him out of trouble So there is a very good chance that he did wreck the car and this was a replacement bumper? The second owner actually picked it up at the Chrysler dealership in Fairfield and I seem to remember that part of the sale of the car went to pay the dealer for work he had done to the car. There is also a good chance that he had the dealer install them too. If he wanted a black and gold car bad enough to have it repainted when new, there is a very good chance that he had the dealer dress it up also. Raffy, have you ever been able to contact the second owner other than send he pictures? She still has a wealth of information about the car and the guy she bought it from. i understand .. probably was added from Dealer ... Lee i had written at Marilyn j. Schmidt around 6 month ago ..., but I never received an answer, I would be happy to learn more and see more photos , advise me to write another time or make a call phone? probably the mail was missing ... I'll try to call her this week and see if she got your letter, I will also see if she has an email address. |
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Location: Iowa USA | raffaplymouth - 2012-11-15 12:33 PM
roadkillontheweb - 2012-11-11 6:39 PM raffaplymouth - 2012-11-11 10:02 AM roadkillontheweb - 2012-11-11 1:24 PM raffaplymouth - 2012-11-11 5:48 AM i dont know when Lee found the car have bumper guards , probably the front was crashed and was replaced with another bumper with guard The owner that brought the car to Iowa was a young kid in college. His brother said he was a bit of a hell raiser and it was a car with a lot of horsepower with drum brakes and non radial tires. The person he sold it to also said that his father was tired of bailing him out of trouble So there is a very good chance that he did wreck the car and this was a replacement bumper? The second owner actually picked it up at the Chrysler dealership in Fairfield and I seem to remember that part of the sale of the car went to pay the dealer for work he had done to the car. There is also a good chance that he had the dealer install them too. If he wanted a black and gold car bad enough to have it repainted when new, there is a very good chance that he had the dealer dress it up also. Raffy, have you ever been able to contact the second owner other than send he pictures? She still has a wealth of information about the car and the guy she bought it from. i understand .. probably was added from Dealer ... Lee i had written at Marilyn j. Schmidt around 6 month ago ..., but I never received an answer, I would be happy to learn more and see more photos , advise me to write another time or make a call phone? probably the mail was missing ... I'll try to call her this week and see if she got your letter, I will also see if she has an email address. Lee , you tried to call Marilyn ??
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Location: Iowa USA | I have called her several times since my last post with no luck but today I tried to call while I was at lunch and got an answer!
She says she spends a lot of time tending the horses etc. so lunch might be the best time to call.
I asked her if she had received your letter and she said she did not and that she would have been excited to hear from you as the car brings back lots of good memories. I asked if she had an email address and she stated that she did not own a computer. I asked her for permission to give her phone number to you Raffy and she said you bet! she would love to talk to you about the car and would love to see progress photos and she does still very much love the car and is proud to know it is being brought back to life. I will PM you her phone number!
I asked again about photos of the car and she said that luckily she had given her photo albums to her daughter after her husband died 30 years ago so they did not burn up when her house burnt to the ground. She thinks that there are at least three photos of the car in the album. It looks like I might have to make a trip to Ottumwa to visit her and take her to her daughters house to get any shot at getting the photos due to issues in the family? If I can get the daughter to let her mom have the albums I will take them and her to the local wallgreens and get the photos scanned and prints made.
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2012-11-30 1:42 AM I have called her several times since my last post with no luck but today I tried to call while I was at lunch and got an answer! She says she spends a lot of time tending the horses etc. so lunch might be the best time to call. I asked her if she had received your letter and she said she did not and that she would have been excited to hear from you as the car brings back lots of good memories. I asked if she had an email address and she stated that she did not own a computer. I asked her for permission to give her phone number to you Raffy and she said you bet! she would love to talk to you about the car and would love to see progress photos and she does still very much love the car and is proud to know it is being brought back to life. I will PM you her phone number! I asked again about photos of the car and she said that luckily she had given her photo albums to her daughter after her husband died 30 years ago so they did not burn up when her house burnt to the ground. She thinks that there are at least three photos of the car in the album. It looks like I might have to make a trip to Ottumwa to visit her and take her to her daughters house to get any shot at getting the photos due to issues in the family? If I can get the daughter to let her mom have the albums I will take them and her to the local wallgreens and get the photos scanned and prints made. Lee wow Lee , good news !! i will Call Marylin the next week with my American friend that speak english better than me ... im very happy for these .. i will let you know , let me know also if you are able to visit Marylin .. how many miles from your place ?? i have also a idea .. the next year in august i will go to Chicago i would be make a trip to your place and visit the Junk where you have found the car ... |
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Location: Iowa USA | raffaplymouth - 2012-12-01 1:56 PM
wow Lee , good news !! i will Call Marylin the next week with my American friend that speak english better than me ... im very happy for these .. i will let you know , let me know also if you are able to visit Marylin .. how many miles from your place ?? i have also a idea .. the next year in august i will go to Chicago i would be make a trip to your place and visit the Junk where you have found the car ...
If you are coming this far we need to stop in and see Marilyn also. It is right at 100 miles from my house about 2 hours drive.
She is indeed glad to hear that you are bringing the car back to life and has finally came to accept that is was a white and gold car. (she only knew it as a black and gold car ) If I can get the old images, you bet I will. |
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Location: Torino - Italy | the gas tank color is not correct .... correct was silver , but this tank that i have buy in the Usa , is rebuilded , is treathed inner and outer with coating .. is not possible paint in silver .. become a s**t ...
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A Question ... i dont have the clock , i have this cap .... , look like original , but i dont know .. i think all adventurer have clock .. probably this cap is for steering wheel clock ??
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Location: Torino - Italy | Ed , you know the color of this ?? , i dont find on the handbook .. look like brown like column ?? and the vinil color upolstery for the dash ?? , you can send me pictures of your ADV ??
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Location: New Castle PA | The steering column cover (half "U" shape that goes against the firewall) ought to be the same brownish color as the column, not black. The gauges should be argent silver, as you say. The clock delete is in fact correct for the dash as you have it, not for the steering wheel. I don't think I've ever seen an Adventurer without a clock, but I can't find anything in my books that says a dash clock is standard on Adventurers. Maybe someone else here can help. The dash clock is extra cost on Fireflites. The heater duct pieces, column support, and radio speaker cover in your picture should be, as you say, the same as the steering column, the funny brownish that without custom mixing is pretty close to Rustoleum Bronze here in the US. I'll send you a pic or two from my car. If you REALLY want to be correct, and hardly anyone is that fussy, the underside of the hood shouldn't be painted body color. DeSoto left it in the funny grey primer, or if you were lucky, you got a charcoal-brown tarry underhood waffle-pattern sound deadener. Definitely not fiberglass for the the '57. |
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Location: Torino - Italy | 57desoto - 2012-12-02 9:54 PM The steering column cover (half "U" shape that goes against the firewall) ought to be the same brownish color as the column, not black. The gauges should be argent silver, as you say. The clock delete is in fact correct for the dash as you have it, not for the steering wheel. I don't think I've ever seen an Adventurer without a clock, but I can't find anything in my books that says a dash clock is standard on Adventurers. Maybe someone else here can help. The dash clock is extra cost on Fireflites. The heater duct pieces, column support, and radio speaker cover in your picture should be, as you say, the same as the steering column, the funny brownish that without custom mixing is pretty close to Rustoleum Bronze here in the US. I'll send you a pic or two from my car. If you REALLY want to be correct, and hardly anyone is that fussy, the underside of the hood shouldn't be painted body color. DeSoto left it in the funny grey primer, or if you were lucky, you got a charcoal-brown tarry underhood waffle-pattern sound deadener. Definitely not fiberglass for the the '57. Thank you very much for this help !! The half metal cover I thought it was the convertible motor cover !! Instead is the lower column .. And will be in brown !! I will paint the inside hood in grey like inner fender !! But the car have undercoating .. On the floor is not grey ..i will check for a clock and bezel ... |
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Location: Blackpool, United Kingdom. | Raffaele,
Are you doing this as original restoration, if so most of the bits you have painted Black behind dash should be Zinc plated?
i think they still have the dash clock mounted even with steering clock,
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he lower surrounds are the front windshield are textured finish,
not sure but will have to check i think the clamp between the column and steering box should be Zinc plated,
the fuel tank would have been undersealed after being fitted (if your car came with factory undercoating) so i would not worry too much on it being black, they do new tanks and filler necks for these now,
the Hood would have been painted grey first then will have overspray from the white around the edges,
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Location: New Castle PA | I'm not sure if my computer monitor is showing it correctly or not, also, but it looks like your dash itself is white. It shouldn't be. Seen the restoration manual. It should be Ditzler #21281 Desert Beige, regardless of the body color. Hope you got the pictures I emailed you. |
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Location: Torino - Italy | yes ED !! id dietzler code Beige !! not white ... is problem of my camera |
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Location: Torino - Italy | springsweptwing - 2012-12-02 10:51 PM Raffaele, Are you doing this as original restoration, if so most of the bits you have painted Black behind dash should be Zinc plated? i think they still have the dash clock mounted even with steering clock, everything on the dash top should be Brown, t he lower surrounds are the front windshield are textured finish, not sure but will have to check i think the clamp between the column and steering box should be Zinc plated, the fuel tank would have been undersealed after being fitted (if your car came with factory undercoating) so i would not worry too much on it being black, they do new tanks and filler necks for these now, the Hood would have been painted grey first then will have overspray from the white around the edges, but if your doing to you own taste dont worry about it, Paul. thank you very much for this info !! but the clumn cover original color was brown ... for the inner hood will be undercoating , but everything also the corner ?? |
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Location: bishop, ca | Raffa, I forget if your car was factory undercoated, or not, but if you are going to apply that thick, textured (high-pressure)
undercoating to the hood, you might as well have a facility apply it to the undercarriage, too.
The undercoating will almost certainly adhere to that gas tank, and the factory undercoating did fully encompass/cover the gas
tank, so its present black color will not be evident, after it is undercoated.
Please remember that ONLY the floor pans and the inner wheel housings were undercoated (before the body was 'dropped' onto
the assembled chassis), so your shop should avoid applying any undercoating to the frame rails and the driveline and the
suspension components.
Actually, the wheel housings were undercoated, after the body was mated to the chassis....in a separate operation.
If a testing shows that (even-) undercoating will not adhere to the gas tank's finish, you can have the tank's lower
and sides be sand-blasted, to create a roughened surface, which could then be primered, before the tank
receives the undercoating.
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Location: Torino - Italy | this is the stuffing .. i have found the correct upolstery in brown , but is very difficult install glued ... around the cluster too difficult
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They look fantastic, Tim.
Had a quick squiz at their website and they have a very wide range of dash pads.
Unfortunately nothing for RHD DeSotos (that could have saved me some work).
So there's no stopping you now Raffe!
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Location: Torino - Italy | No rechromed this parts , everything polished , cleaned , only the semigloss face was repainted .. i have work saturday and sunday for rebuild this Cluster , radio and gauges ..... everything work ... also the Radio ... 69k miles i think was original miles .. brake pedal pads was not damaged too.. also the gas pedal , i decided to not put at zero the counter ...Lee Exline you have info for the miles of this car ??.. no miles indicated on the old title ...  [/IMG] Uploaded with ImageShack.us
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Location: bishop, ca | Sheeeeit, I'd 'zero' the odometer, since the car is going back to Day-One.....
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Location: Torino - Italy | d500neil - 2012-12-10 8:33 AM Sheeeeit, I'd 'zero' the odometer, since the car is going back to Day-One..... i know but yesterday I was undecided .. I finally decided this ... |
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Location: Iowa USA | The cluster was original to the car so those miles should be accurate. The car was off the road by the early 60s so that would be about right for annual mileage also.
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Location: ZH, Switzerland | Personally I wouldn't zero the odometer, because it would tell the history of this wonderful Adventure - even though the Adventure is better than new. |
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Location: Upper East Tennessee | Raffaele,
Looks like you were able to make the material work for the dash cover. The guy I worked with at RD Autoline is Tony Zetterquist. The cost of the cover last year was $550 USD and $120 USD to have it dyed. Mine got dyed a little lighter than I had intended but was because I sent an original piece of the cover for matching and it had faded some due to sunlight. The shape of the reproduction cover fit over the dash like a glove! This dash cover from RD Autoline, Wiring Harnass from Greg Leggat, and the reproduction fuel tank are the best things I have bought for my Firedome. |
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Location: New Castle PA | tnlowrider, did you replace the buttons in the shifter? I think yours may be from a Chrysler, which engages the starter with a push of the neutral button. Here's a pic of the DeSoto version, without the "start". No biggie, of course, but I'm just curious...
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Location: Torino - Italy | 57desoto - 2012-12-11 1:07 PM tnlowrider, did you replace the buttons in the shifter? I think yours may be from a Chrysler, which engages the starter with a push of the neutral button. Here's a pic of the DeSoto version, without the "start". No biggie, of course, but I'm just curious... Ed .. My button is destroyed .. No start on the button .. Like the picture .. You know a guy that sell this buttons ?? Need also the two molding ( painted) on the upper of the dash ( on the base of windshield ) |
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Location: Torino - Italy | Doctor DeSoto - 2012-12-11 1:38 PM Is it possible to install the windlace without removing the dash ? I remember having to pull it. i think is easy install Windlace before ... and after put the dash |
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Location: Upper East Tennessee | Yea, the "N/start" button came from a 58 Chrysler. I knew it was wrong but it was the only "un-cracked" neutral button I had at the time. I now have the correct one...as I have gathered more parts. I wouldn't mind leaving the incorrect one in place as it is in excellent condition. These buttons are very hard to find without cracks. It's something you won't see until it is illuminated. At the time I assembled my dash I had 5 complete selectors and was only able to assemble 1 set of un-cracked buttons...with the "R" and "N" buttons being the worst for cracking. Oh yea, and whatever you do....don't get lacquer thinner close to these buttons! Acrylic and lacquer thinner are not compatible. |
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Location: Torino - Italy | tnlowrider - 2012-12-11 4:30 PM Yea, the "N/start" button came from a 58 Chrysler. I knew it was wrong but it was the only "un-cracked" neutral button I had at the time. I now have the correct one...as I have gathered more parts. I wouldn't mind leaving the incorrect one in place as it is in excellent condition. These buttons are very hard to find without cracks. It's something you won't see until it is illuminated. At the time I assembled my dash I had 5 complete selectors and was only able to assemble 1 set of un-cracked buttons...with the "R" and "N" buttons being the worst for cracking. Oh yea, and whatever you do....don't get lacquer thinner close to these buttons! Acrylic and lacquer thinner are not compatible. wow .. good info |
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Easy, yes. But my question is: Is it POSSIBLE to install the windlace without pulling the dash ????
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Location: Torino - Italy | Doctor DeSoto - 2012-12-11 5:08 PM raffaplymouth - 2012-12-12 7:04 AM Doctor DeSoto - 2012-12-11 1:38 PM Is it possible to install the windlace without removing the dash ? I remember having to pull it. i think is easy install Windlace before ... and after put the dash ===================================================== Easy, yes. But my question is: Is it POSSIBLE to install the windlace without pulling the dash ???? yes , i have change on my 57 Plymouth .. i have removed the lower bolt ... difficult work |
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Location: bishop, ca | Not being versed in 57 Adventurers, was the rear view mirror OEM painted in that 'metallic-mauve' color?
This is not necessarily a big deal, if the car is not ever driven at nite, but that mirror is the standard non-day/nite guy,
which is a PIT-eyes to endure, with following cars' headlights pouring directly into that low mounted mirror.
One of the first upgrades I made to my car was replacing that mirror with a day/nite one.
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Location: Blackpool, United Kingdom. | d500neil - 2012-12-11 8:03 PM
Not being versed in 57 Adventurers, was the rear view mirror OEM painted in that 'metallic-mauve' color?
Raffaele,
i think the mirror and base, speaker grill, vents and push button surround, should be flat Brown colour, to match the vynil on dash, also the trims around the lower windshield as well and i think those have a textured finish, just going what ive seen of unrestored cars?
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Location: Torino - Italy | azzz I understood everything in the same brown .... can be remake with transparent opaque ... my original color of these parts was grey ... i dont know .... |
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2012-12-10 2:07 PM The cluster was original to the car so those miles should be accurate. The car was off the road by the early 60s so that would be about right for annual mileage also. Things are looking great! Have you tried to call Marilyn yet? Lee , im waiting my friend that speak english better .. i will let you know |
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Location: New Castle PA | Raffaelle, I'll ask a few friends about the parts you need. Everything you're doing looks WONDERFUL. I'm not sure about the BACK of the mirror being brown, but certainly I wouldn't change it now, and without my cars in front of me, I can't say for sure -- maybe brown is right, but I think it was unpainted. Looks great, though! |
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Location: Upplands Väsby, Sweden | Hi raffaplymouth
I've recently you an email to see on your Forward Look inbox
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Location: Blackpool, United Kingdom. | Raffaele,
in Wayne`s book it lists the Windsheild garnish, radio speaker grill (front and rear) rear window defogger grilles, ac/defroster ducts, dash pad retainer strip above radio? to be Charcoal like dash vinyl with a wrinkle finish,
i think the steering column, and joining pieces would be spice Brown Mettalic, and everything else done in the charcoal brown, same as dash vynil, with a satin finish? that is probably why your parts looked grey and had faded with sun?
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Location: Torino - Italy | Paul , Thanks for your info and pictures .... I posted this photo of the last week, my upper parts were gray / green, I do not know why .. would not look good with the brown upolstery.. I do not know if these parts are original .. I knew had to do in Brown metallic like the column [/IMG] Uploaded with ImageShack.us
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Location: Torino - Italy | Windsor59 - 2012-12-12 8:43 PM Hi raffaplymouth I've recently you an email to see on your Forward Look inbox Have you seen it? Yes Joakim ! i see now !!!!!!!!!!!
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Location: Torino - Italy | springsweptwing - 2012-12-16 6:45 PM Also a picture of dash parts you can see the Satin Brown colour here from Ken`s old car, Thanks for the pictures ... |
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Location: Brisbane, Australia | Buon natale Raffe queste foto possono aiutare ..
I turned mine up in the lathe and the base doesnt quite look like the casting, please let me know if you need any dimensions
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Location: Torino - Italy | earleebob1 - 2012-12-24 12:43 AM Buon natale Raffe queste foto possono aiutare .. I turned mine up in the lathe and the base doesnt quite look like the casting, please let me know if you need any dimensions cheers Roberto These pictures is very important for me ... for build the retainer , now is more easy ... thank you very much , pictures is very detailed .. |
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Location: Iowa USA | raffaplymouth - 2012-12-30 6:06 AM
earleebob1 - 2012-12-24 12:43 AM Buon natale Raffe queste foto possono aiutare .. I turned mine up in the lathe and the base doesnt quite look like the casting, please let me know if you need any dimensions cheers Roberto These pictures is very important for me ... for build the retainer , now is more easy ... thank you very much , pictures is very detailed ..
I sent you this link twice in emails but you must have missed it? It contains all of the photos above and more.
http://www.roadkillontheweb.com/desoto_chrysler_benrus.html
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Location: Brisbane, Australia | Hi Raffe here are a couple more shots of the clock casing we made with some dimensions to help your fabrication
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Location: Torino - Italy | Guys .. now i'm working on heater box inner and outer ... heater core ... hose vent ...not very rewairding .. |
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Location: Iowa USA | Just to give you a little update. I called Marlyn the other day because I had to go to her town for work. She had been sick and in the hospital a couple times so she could not see me but is working on getting the photos from her daughter. She said someone called with a strange name and heavy accent so I figured t was you or your friend that speaks English better but she said she had not heard from you yet but is looking forward to it. I will let you know if I hear anything more on my end. |
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2013-01-17 2:38 AM Just to give you a little update. I called Marlyn the other day because I had to go to her town for work. She had been sick and in the hospital a couple times so she could not see me but is working on getting the photos from her daughter. She said someone called with a strange name and heavy accent so I figured t was you or your friend that speaks English better but she said she had not heard from you yet but is looking forward to it. I will let you know if I hear anything more on my end. Lee , we have tried several times .. my friend born in PA but has lived here for 20 years .. we could not communicate, we left a message .... is very difficult speak with Marylin .... probably in August I will be near Chicago .. I can come to you .... |
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Location: Torino - Italy | Guys .. wich upolsthery you advice from heater box to firewall ???Stone wool is harmful |
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Raffaele,
there is a carboard lined with a layer about 1 inch thick of stone wool(rock wool), this also has a rubber strip sewn onto bottom to lip the carpet under, you will have to remove all the parts you have fitted as this goes on first, i think you can get them reproduction now?if not its going to be out of a parts car but the rubber is oftern perished and crumbles, you could use carpet underfelt if you dont want to use the stone wool(rock wool)
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What's shakin', Raffy?
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Anybody else getting "Raffy Report" withdrawal symptoms?
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Location: Torino - Italy | I am happy for your interest .. unfortunately I can not work on my ADV ... I'm busy organizing my new workshop .. and then we will move everything ... I hope to give you news asap ...Thanks |
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Glad to hear you're still out there, Raffy! We miss you!
We'll be seeing you soon when you are done with your workshop!
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Location: ZH, Switzerland | Wow, your new shop looks wonderful and professional. Tante auguri e molte fortuna (successo)!
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Location: D-70199 Heslach | Hi Raffaele,
pity that we missed the opening, the date for opening party we have seen on your homepage, as it was already over
Congratulation to the huge new shop!!! |
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Location: Torino - Italy | All this shop change is a very hard work .. Lot of work ...I need to rest and rest ... in a few months it starts on my adv ...thanks for your congratulations |
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Wow, Raffy! All of your hard work sure paid off. Your garage is amazing!
Congratulations!
Now get some rest!
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Location: Torino - Italy | hi Guys .. im not dead .. i started today after 5 month ... i don't have much time with new shop .. i have a lot of work ... now i have receveid the new main harness from sweden .. but i dont know the exatly location on the back of tank reservoir , and also on the upper steering column .. im undecide if install the harness before on the dash ... if anyone can help me .. thanks  [/IMG]
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Location: Torino - Italy | christine-lover - 2013-06-09 8:20 PM Raffy...Does this help? Nice work. Thanks for this help but i need info of front harness |
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Location: Torino - Italy | ToMopar - 2013-06-10 10:37 PM Raffaele, are you satisfied with the swedish harness? Yes Tom -- look like original ... |
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Location: Sept. 1958 | raffaplymouth - 2013-06-10 5:22 PM
christine-lover - 2013-06-09 8:20 PM Raffy...Does this help? Nice work. Thanks for this help but i need info of front harness
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Location: Blackpool, United Kingdom. | christine-lover - 2013-06-10 10:26 PM
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christine-lover - 2013-06-09 8:20 PM Raffy...Does this help? Nice work. Thanks for this help but i need info of front harness
I don't understand, you were asking about tank reservoir?
I think he means the air tank under hood, as to routing of wire, i think it runs along bottom of tank and up over the voltage regulator, not too sure though? |
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Location: Torino - Italy | springsweptwing - 2013-06-11 1:16 AM christine-lover - 2013-06-10 10:26 PM raffaplymouth - 2013-06-10 5:22 PM christine-lover - 2013-06-09 8:20 PM Raffy...Does this help? Nice work. Thanks for this help but i need info of front harness I don't understand, you were asking about tank reservoir? I think he means the air tank under hood, as to routing of wire, i think it runs along bottom of tank and up over the voltage regulator, not too sure though? yes i speak for vacum tank under the hood |
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Location: somerville mass | excellent progress! ive heard from people through time some restorations take 10 years...
this all started december 22, 2009..... now june 11, 2013 |
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Location: Iowa USA | I found out why Raffaele has not been posting on his progress lately.
He was in Iowa visiting me and one of the other past owners of his car.
After many un-answered calls I was concerned that Marilyn Schmidt was not going to be home but we made the trip to Ottumwa IA anyway just so Raffaele could check out the old stomping grounds of the Adventurer. When we arrived at Marilyn's house there was no answer at the door but then I noticed there was a fire burning in the fields behind the house were the horses are kept and there she was. We had a good opportunity to meet with her and ask questions and Marilyn was more than glad to share stories of when she owned the car and remembers the car fondly. You can see the passion in her eyes when she talks about the car, was the observation Raffaele's wife made after our visit.
We also visited with the great nephew of the guy that I bought the car from and got a little information from him.He said that the property had been cleared of cars and sold but we took a drive anyway. The red barn in the background of the photos is still standing and could be used as a reference point for were it once was but indeed all of the cars and most of the buildings were gone.
Marilyn also gave us a glimmer of hope that someday she may be able to get some vintage photos of the car back when Marilyn owned that her daughter is in possession of?
The first photo is of Raffaele his wife and son with Marilyn
The second adds the big guy (me) so three owners of the same car together (two past one current)
And the last photo is Raffaele in my 1960 Plymouth Fury JR body in case he was missing his full size 60 Fury at home.
They are on their way to Columbus for MoPar nationals now and then on to home. I am glad that the car is in his hands and receiving the care it so deserved!
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Location: central Illinois | Lee, it's awesome that you're taking the time to do some foot work and help Raffi with the history of his now, historic Adventurer! This thread and this automobile will be referred to by future generations that think a car may be too far gone for a proper restoration. And how people of different backgrounds and cultures can be brought together by a common interest. |
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Location: Torino - Italy | I do not know how to describe the happiness and excitement of this wonderful day spent with LEE Exline that took me by Marylin he remembered perfectly all the details of adv,I saw his emotion in his eyes when he spoke of his adv, lee showed me also the possible areas in ottumwa where the car drives me also showed a big junkyard in the zone ... lee you are a great friend .. rather big friend!... thank you Lee
now much more 'desire to finish this work to see the adventurer finished at Marylin asap.. |
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Glad to hear that you had such a great trip, Raffy!
It's wonderful that you got to meet Marilyn and Lee.
That Lee is one good egg!
BTW - your little boy is very cute!
Now get back to work!
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Location: Iowa USA | Raffy, did you get that set of front bumper guards I told you about?
The seller contacted me today and said that he had sold the guards, hope you got them? |
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2013-08-20 1:09 AM Raffy, did you get that set of front bumper guards I told you about? The seller contacted me today and said that he had sold the guards, hope you got them? hi Lee .. no i dont find at Mopar Nats .. only 60- 70s mopar parts ... you have good news ? |
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Location: Torino - Italy | Guys i need a advice ... im almost ready for install the dashboard ...im undecided connect the harness on the dash and istall...... or connect the harness after dash installed .. i think the first is better ...someone know ? |
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Location: D-70199 Heslach | Hi Raffael,
ask Torbjorn where you've bought the wire harness. He own a 58 DeSoto, and should know in which order is best.
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Location: Torino - Italy | ToMopar - 2013-08-20 12:40 PM Hi Raffael, ask Torbjorn where you've bought the wire harness. He own a 58 DeSoto, and should know in which order is best. Thanks Tom .. i have decided to install before |
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Location: Iowa USA | Looking fantastic!
Sorry I do not have good news on the bumper guards. I emailed the seller that was parting out the 57 on the Craigslist ad I sent to you and he told me he had already sold the bumper guards. I had hoped that he sold them to you?
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Location: Iowa USA | I posted an ad on Craigslist in SE Iowa looking for family of one of the past owners and in hopes that the story of the hubcaps that were hanging up in a barn or shed might be found and reunited with the car. The ad was a success in one manner. I have been discussing the car by email Cloyd Hagedon's son Larry and grandson Robert. They don't hold out a lot of hope for the caps being found but I am in hopes that they can share some more history of the car and possibly a photo or two?? It's a long shot, but nothing ventured, nothing gained! I have directed both of them to come to this thread and check the progress the car has made from when I found it until now. |
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From what I am told, I used to own and drive this car.
If this indeed my old 57 Golden Anniversary Desoto Convertible, I do know a few things bout it.
Yes, it was originally white. It is my understanding that a bad boy wannbe from New York got the car from his parents, didn't like the color and had it repainted black.
In Fairfield Iowa, there was Parsons College where kids came to party, not study. This guy liked that idea and came to Fairfield to drink and chase women.
Somewhere along the line, he got in financial trouble and sold the car to a buddy of mine, probably for $500.00.
In due time, my buddy got short of funds and sold the car to me, again as I recall, for $500.00.
I drove it for a while, replaced the top once. The original top was a gold color, but I was not able to find gold canvas and so I used white.
All of the trim was gold plated.
The front end got bad, and I parked it in my grandmothers barn. planning on fixing it later. She sold the farm unexpectedly, my uncle had always planned to buy it. and the car was sold by the new owner of the farm for junk.
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| Sure wish I could have met you guys in Ottumwa, I don't live very far from there. I could have taken you to a private dump where some of the original trim may still be laying around. It was all gold plated, so could perhaps be easy to spot, tho I also looked for it one time years ago and didn't see anything then.
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Location: Iowa USA | larryhagedon - 2013-09-02 6:43 PM
Sure wish I could have met you guys in Ottumwa, I don't live very far from there. I could have taken you to a private dump where some of the original trim may still be laying around. It was all gold plated, so could perhaps be easy to spot, tho I also looked for it one time years ago and didn't see anything then.
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I had been attempting to find relatives of Cloyd's before our trip to Ottumwa with no luck. The ad I placed on Craigslist was the third time I placed it trying to find family and this time I struck gold! If you have read through this thread you will know that at one time you had a very special car in your hands! The only things that were gold plated were the hubcaps and the grille screen and some nameplates so if there is gold in the dump? It may be the hubcaps? Even if they are bad I think they should be returned to the car even if just for display purposes.
The title was in your dad's name when I got it transferred over, how old were you when you bought the car?
The car had a clock in the middle of the steering wheel that had gone missing over the years, was it still there when you had it?
I know it is a long shot, but if you could find any vintage photos of the car it would be very much appreciated and I would be glad to pay for copies!
Also any stories you could share form the time you owned the car would also be cherished.
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Location: Torino - Italy | I can not believe this news .. if I understand correctly Larry are the son of the last owner?, or you were the owner and the car was registered to your dad? if you can get more information I would be happy .. what year was stopped this car ? |
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| My recollection is that all of the trim was gold plated. The car was called a Golden Anniversary Special, and hence the gold plated trim. New, this was not a cheap car.
I believe I purchased the car in 1963. It was before I was married. Both Robert Bennet and his wife and I and my wife started our honeymoons in the car. He owned it when he married Alice, and I, or my dad, owned it when I married JoElla.
I would have been 17, so perhaps I was too young to register the car in my name. My dad had to sign for me to get married, at 17. I, or my dad, owned the car then.
I probably parked the car in the barn in 1965 or 66. I had taken it in to an alignment shop, for their 25 dollar inspection. Of course then they told me, a gullible kid, that I needed a thousand dollars worth of repairs. So I parked it, assuming it was too dangerous to drive. Now, I am sure they were scamming me.
I have no recollection of a clock In the steering wheel, nor an empty space.
I still think the hub caps went to the auto scrap yard with the car.
My kids, and a niece, will all be looking for pics. They have tons of old family pics on their computers. If they find any, I will certainly email them to you.
By the by, I don't recognize the pics of the Schmidts as anyone I have ever seen before.
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Can you check the old titles for the car and see if my memory is failing me? I am pretty sure it went from Clark and Marlyn Schmidt to Cloyd Hagedon?
Larry
Since you said you used the car on your honeymoon this potentially improves the chance of their being a shot of the car in old photos albums. (excited)
Do you think there is any chance of Robert Bennet's family having any photos? Are they still in the area?
The car was not an anniversary edition but it was a limited production high performance special often called the Golden adventurer. It was definitely not a cheap car, you could have purchased a couple 1957 Chevrolets for what it cost new. The gold color top you talked about replacing was the original top and the carpet has gold flecking through it. The speedometer went to 150 instead of 120 that the other models had.
Needless to say, I am very glad to have found you and so very glad that you are willing to share your history of the car on this forum.
Thanks
Lee
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Location: Torino - Italy | larryhagedon - 2013-09-04 2:42 AM My recollection is that all of the trim was gold plated. The car was called a Golden Anniversary Special, and hence the gold plated trim. New, this was not a cheap car. I believe I purchased the car in 1963. It was before I was married. Both Robert Bennet and his wife and I and my wife started our honeymoons in the car. He owned it when he married Alice, and I, or my dad, owned it when I married JoElla. I would have been 17, so perhaps I was too young to register the car in my name. My dad had to sign for me to get married, at 17. I, or my dad, owned the car then. I probably parked the car in the barn in 1965 or 66. I had taken it in to an alignment shop, for their 25 dollar inspection. Of course then they told me, a gullible kid, that I needed a thousand dollars worth of repairs. So I parked it, assuming it was too dangerous to drive. Now, I am sure they were scamming me. I have no recollection of a clock In the steering wheel, nor an empty space. I still think the hub caps went to the auto scrap yard with the car. My kids, and a niece, will all be looking for pics. They have tons of old family pics on their computers. If they find any, I will certainly email them to you. By the by, I don't recognize the pics of the Schmidts as anyone I have ever seen before. larry Larry, I'm glad all this information, if you remember anything else please write down, for me it is very important !!! Thank you very much ! that problems had the front end? the engine was ok? in 1965 the car had rust ?? body damage ??... |
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Location: Torino - Italy | larryhagedon - 2013-09-04 2:42 AM My recollection is that all of the trim was gold plated. The car was called a Golden Anniversary Special, and hence the gold plated trim. New, this was not a cheap car. I believe I purchased the car in 1963. It was before I was married. Both Robert Bennet and his wife and I and my wife started our honeymoons in the car. He owned it when he married Alice, and I, or my dad, owned it when I married JoElla. I would have been 17, so perhaps I was too young to register the car in my name. My dad had to sign for me to get married, at 17. I, or my dad, owned the car then. I probably parked the car in the barn in 1965 or 66. I had taken it in to an alignment shop, for their 25 dollar inspection. Of course then they told me, a gullible kid, that I needed a thousand dollars worth of repairs. So I parked it, assuming it was too dangerous to drive. Now, I am sure they were scamming me. I have no recollection of a clock In the steering wheel, nor an empty space. I still think the hub caps went to the auto scrap yard with the car. My kids, and a niece, will all be looking for pics. They have tons of old family pics on their computers. If they find any, I will certainly email them to you. By the by, I don't recognize the pics of the Schmidts as anyone I have ever seen before. larry Lee and me have great hope that you or your parents find some photos! |
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Location: Iowa USA | So, my mind is slipping.
Indeed Bennett was in there between Schmidt and Hagedon.
When I bought the car I did a title search and found the car was still registered to Cloyd. I had a duplicate title made and had Cloyd sign it over to me in 1994.
Because of Larry's age at the time the car must have been titled to his father Cloyd?
It is great to have another piece of the puzzle of the cars history start to get filled in.
Thanks
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When we visited Ottumwa together you wanted to visit some of the same roads that the Adventurer would have driven.
The street address of 903 W Williams St, Ottumwa, IA that is on the title for Bennett
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Gotta be pics somewhere of both Robert and Alice, and myself and JoElla getting in the car at the church after our wedding ceremonies. Gotta be pics of the car all decorated up with old shoes and toilet paper.
I have had that car over 125 MPH on the highway.
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Location: Torino - Italy | larryhagedon - 2013-09-04 6:00 PM Robert, (also known as Roy), Bennett, is deceased. His widow Alice is listed in the phone book as still living at the old house at 221 N Sheridan Ave, Ottumwa, 641-682-4105. Roy Bennett Jr is listed at 1401 N Wapello, Ottumwa, 641-814-4434. Gotta be pics somewhere of both Robert and Alice, and myself and JoElla getting in the car at the church after our wedding ceremonies. Gotta be pics of the car all decorated up with old shoes and toilet paper. I have had that car over 125 MPH on the highway. Ah, OK,, I never verified that anniversary bit, Golden adventurer makes more sense. Larry .... thank you very much for this info !! .. look like you have a lot of information of this car !, i hope you found some pictures !! 125 mph on the highway .. !! it was fun with Hemi Engine !! Larry you remember if engine had Dual Quad Carburetor in 1964-65 ?? look like removed from Schmitt Owner ... |
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| That intersection in Ottumwa Iowa has 5 streets feeding into it and is known as the 5 Corners. The store was Lindberg Grocery, when the 57 was cruising those streets. Lindbergs was known as one of the few, or perhaps only, grocery store in town that would not sell beer. There were a number of customers that patronized them just because of that stand.
To the right (South), in the picture, there used to be a lumber yard. It burned down in about 1964, or around then.
When I was first married, we lived in an apartment several blocks from there. Later we bought a house on Burris Street, even closer.
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Location: Iowa USA | Just got off the phone with Alice and she does not remember the car and stated that she did not get married until Jan 1967 and thought it might be her sister in-law also named Alice who also knows Larry and they all went to the same church. But I verified that the address on the title matched the address her husband lived at when they first met. Also the name on the title was that of her husbands and not her brother in law. So we have the right lady married to the guy on the title but he does not remember the car and the date of the marriage do not line up? I asked about old photos of the car before they were married and she does not remember having any and said that she never went on a honeymoon so it could not have been her with the car decorated up going on a honeymoon they were working and didn't have time. Unless her husband got married once before her and did not tell Alice? Things are not lining up? Granted memories get less solid when we get older! I left my phone number with her in case she thought of anything else or came across any information about the car. |
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2013-09-10 6:08 PM Just got off the phone with Alice and she does not remember the car and stated that she did not get married until Jan 1967 and thought it might be her sister in-law also named Alice who also knows Larry and they all went to the same church. But I verified that the address on the title matched the address her husband lived at when they first met. Also the name on the title was that of her husbands and not her brother in law. So we have the right lady married to the guy on the title but he does not remember the car and the date of the marriage do not line up? I asked about old photos of the car before they were married and she does not remember having any and said that she never went on a honeymoon so it could not have been her with the car decorated up going on a honeymoon they were working and didn't have time. Unless her husband got married once before her and did not tell Alice? Things are not lining up? Granted memories get less solid when we get older! I left my phone number with her in case she thought of anything else or came across any information about the car. it's getting interesting .. Alice was married to Roy Bennet and do not remember the car? .. that's strange .. you can call the son Roy
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I'm totally confused!
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Also, old photo barn roof looks metal. New photo barn roof is definitely wood shake shingle.
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Location: Torino - Italy | Lancer Mike - 2013-09-18 11:00 PM I might be seeing things, but the barn boards on the old photo appear to be vertical. The barn boards on the new photo are definitely horizontal. Also, old photo barn roof looks metal. New photo barn roof is definitely wood shake shingle. yes Mike ... look like different ... look like 2 barn in the place |
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Location: Torino - Italy | larryhagedon - 2013-09-10 2:18 AM That intersection in Ottumwa Iowa has 5 streets feeding into it and is known as the 5 Corners. The store was Lindberg Grocery, when the 57 was cruising those streets. Lindbergs was known as one of the few, or perhaps only, grocery store in town that would not sell beer. There were a number of customers that patronized them just because of that stand. To the right (South), in the picture, there used to be a lumber yard. It burned down in about 1964, or around then. When I was first married, we lived in an apartment several blocks from there. Later we bought a house on Burris Street, even closer. larry Larry , you have news ? pictures ?? Please tell whatever comes to mind of this car ! Thanks !! |
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| Alice is technically correct that they did not go on a honeymoon. In fact, when we left the church in the Desoto, they were not even really married. Robert had forgotten to get the marriage license soon enough, and it was not yet a legal document on the date of the wedding.
We got together in secret the next day so the minister could make it legal.
The minister made them promise to sleep in separate houses and beds that alleged wedding night.
When we left the church, we did indeed leave in the Desoto, with me driving. I remember I left too soon, before the folks that traditionally follow married couples from the church, honking their horns and making a racket, could get organized.
Looks like Alice and Robert got married after I bought the car from Robert, which is why her name is not on the title, nor does she remember it.
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Location: Iowa USA | GregCon - 2013-09-29 7:58 AM
Lee, I just want to tell you that usually when someone refers to himself as 'a big guy' I just roll my eyes.....that usually means he is 6 feet tall and 195lbs. But you...you really are a big guy!
I went to a DR appointment a few weeks ago (I try to avoid them) for my knee surgery and they measured me (girl had to stand on a chair) For years I have been saying I am 6'6" She said I was dead on 6'7" I thought you were supposed to shrink when you got older? Comes in handy on occasion but gets in the way more often. |
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I went to a DR appointment a few weeks ago (I try to avoid them) for my knee surgery and they measured me (girl had to stand on a chair) For years I have been saying I am 6'6" She said I was dead on 6'7" I thought you were supposed to shrink when you got older? Comes in handy on occasion but gets in the way more often.
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Makes it hard to fit in those kiddy cars too !
I had the privilege of meeting Jack Rasmussen yesterday. USMC corporal that saw combat from
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Generation. Jack told me he was 5.5 inches taller when he was young !
I have heard you shrink when you get older, but half a foot ??? I was shocked !
If you make 180 years old, you just might fit in that Firemite.
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If you make 180 years old, you just might fit in that Firemite.
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Location: Torino - Italy | Lee you're a Incredible big man!!! but also your heart is great ! for everything you've done for me !! Thanks ! |
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Location: Iowa USA | raffaplymouth - 2013-10-01 12:24 PM
Lee you're a Incredible big man!!! but also your heart is great ! for everything you've done for me !! Thanks !
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You're right, Raffy; Lee is a super-sized, super-nice guy!
For a brief moment at the NDC convention this past summer, I thought that we were undergoing a total eclipse of the sun.
But no...it was just Lee getting up from his lawn chair.
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It is a bit big so here it is downsized to fit here.
Looks like the Hemi is getting put back together!
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Found it in Pleasant hill Iowa. One of the towns we drove through when you were here.
Too bad I don't have a 57 any more, it would look great on it!
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Woow Lee !! I need this mirror !! You can sell me ??
I did not hear from you so I put it on Ebay. Will be glad to ship it to you if you are the winning bidder but once I start an auction, I let the market determine the value. |
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2013-12-04 12:15 AM raffaplymouth - 2013-12-03 1:37 PM Woow Lee !! I need this mirror !! You can sell me ?? I did not hear from you so I put it on Ebay. Will be glad to ship it to you if you are the winning bidder but once I start an auction, I let the market determine the value. |
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Location: Torino - Italy | Hello Ed !! Yes i have two block S26A this block have better cylinder but engine number is destroyed from rust , the other is good the number but al cyl is destroyed from rust |
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Location: USA - KY | 57desoto - 2013-12-08 7:04 AM
Raffaelle, you know that you're my hero!
Gotta agree with ya there, Ed!
I have several heroes at this site, and Raffy is definitely one of them. Amazing determination, stamina, and talent!
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Location: Torino - Italy | bbrasse1 - 2013-12-08 1:55 PM it looks like the block was decked and the heads milled, no adj push rods or adj rockers? Great work! Yea ... block milled and heads milled but the lifter clearance is ok !! i have checked |
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Location: Torino - Italy | FIN ME - 2013-12-08 4:16 PM 57desoto - 2013-12-08 7:04 AM Raffaelle, you know that you're my hero! Gotta agree with ya there, Ed! I have several heroes at this site, and Raffy is definitely one of them. Amazing determination, stamina, and talent! :cool: |
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Location: New Jersey | Raffaele--
Mi scusi. Ho appena letto la tua storia per la prima volta. Complimenti per la vostra determinazione. Deve essere soddisfacente.
Congratulations on all your work for so many years on your DeSoto. In the 1970's I found a '57 Adventurer convertible buried under bushes near Richmond, Virginia. It was too much for me to work on and I did not have any money to have someone restore it for me. I sold the car to a collector who restored it, but I have regretted it all these years. I can't wait to see the finished product.---Fred.
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Location: Torino - Italy | bbrasse1 - 2013-12-08 1:55 PM it looks like the block was decked and the heads milled, no adj push rods or adj rockers? Great work! i dont think adventurea have adjustable valvetrain --- |
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Location: Torino - Italy | Fintail and Son - 2014-04-10 10:07 PM Raffaele-- Mi scusi. Ho appena letto la tua storia per la prima volta. Complimenti per la vostra determinazione. Deve essere soddisfacente. Congratulations on all your work for so many years on your DeSoto. In the 1970's I found a '57 Adventurer convertible buried under bushes near Richmond, Virginia. It was too much for me to work on and I did not have any money to have someone restore it for me. I sold the car to a collector who restored it, but I have regretted it all these years. I can't wait to see the finished product.---Fred. Thanks you Fred .. yes look like a very long restoration ..i dont have much time for spend in this work .. there will still 2 years |
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Location: D-70199 Heslach | Raffaele, I think 57 DeSotos has the two tone steering wheels, not sure for adventurer.
I bought mine (black NOS) at jcauto.com
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Hey, Raffey!
Here's a photo of a proper Adventurer interior and steering wheel for ya!
I had this very same style of steering wheel recast for my car (just different colours) from this business in North Carolina, USA - http://www.danddautomobilia.com/Welcome.html
I got the name of this company from a very good, professional restorer who is located here in the USA. He told me that he has used this company before to recast many steering, and that the steering wheels always looked great, and that they last - they don't crack or fade with time. The colour of the steering wheel goes throughout the steering wheel, and not just on the surface.
I contacted the owner of this business today, and he says that he just happens to have an old steering wheel that is just like the one that you need for your Adventurer. He says that he could use it to recast a new steering wheel for you, in the correct Adventurer colours. The steering wheel cost him $150.00 originally, and the recasting would cost $1,100.00. Shipping to Italy would be approx. $100.00. I know that this is not cheap, BUT it is what it costs these days to have a steering wheel recast by a talented and experienced professional. Besides, your gorgeous car deserves a very beautiful steering wheel, in my humble opinion.
He says that e-mail is the best way to communicate with him. don@danddautomobilia.com
Hope this helps.
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I have looked several hours to find another steering wheel. I found only the black one at jcauto.com
Here is the result of internet:
http://www.qualityrestorations.com/desoto.html
http://www.pearlcraft.com.au/repairs.htm
http://danddautomobilia.com/About_Us.html
http://www.garyssteeringwheel.com/gallery.htm
http://www.kochssteeringwheels.com
http://www.rimblowrestorations.co.nz/
another source is Magnus in sweden:
http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=47553&...
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Location: New Castle PA | Rosy, I know you mean well, but when you say "proper Adventurer interior and steering wheel", you're misleading him. Those wood burl accents are a custom touch (I believe by Alan Day), and the steering wheel gold isn't the correct color (although the wheel IS nice). Here's a pic from my car. I need a new dash pad, and the carpeting isn't correct, but the gold on the steering wheel is original. Even given years of fading, the hue is much more greenish-gold. No wood accents belong on the dash.
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Location: Torino - Italy | FIN ME - 2014-04-22 2:50 PM Hey, Raffey! Here's a photo of a proper Adventurer interior and steering wheel for ya! I had this very same style of steering wheel recast for my car (just different colours ) from this business in North Carolina, USA - http://www.danddautomobilia.com/Welcome.html I got the name of this company from a very good, professional restorer who is located here in the USA. He told me that he has used this company before to recast many steering, and that the steering wheels always looked great, and that they last - they don't crack or fade with time. The colour of the steering wheel goes throughout the steering wheel, and not just on the surface. I contacted the owner of this business today, and he says that he just happens to have an old steering wheel that is just like the one that you need for your Adventurer. He says that he could use it to recast a new steering wheel for you, in the correct Adventurer colours. The steering wheel cost him $150.00 originally, and the recasting would cost $1,100.00. Shipping to Italy would be approx. $100.00. I know that this is not cheap, BUT it is what it costs these days to have a steering wheel recast by a talented and experienced professional. Besides, your gorgeous car deserves a very beautiful steering wheel, in my humble opinion. He says that e-mail is the best way to communicate with him. don@danddautomobilia.com Hope this helps. : ) |
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Location: USA - KY | 57desoto - 2014-04-22 9:30 PM
Rosy, I know you mean well, but when you say "proper Adventurer interior and steering wheel", you're misleading him. Those wood burl accents are a custom touch (I believe by Alan Day), and the steering wheel gold isn't the correct color (although the wheel IS nice). Here's a pic from my car. I need a new dash pad, and the carpeting isn't correct, but the gold on the steering wheel is original. Even given years of fading, the hue is much more greenish-gold. No wood accents belong on the dash.
You are correct, Sir! I should have said proper steering wheel, as in the proper type. I know that the wood accents are not original...didn't notice when I posted the pic to tell you the truth. (blush) The colours don't look that gold on my ancient computer screen, but I do see a real difference now, between the the colours in the photo of the steering wheel that I posted and the photo of the steering wheel in your car.
This is why we need you around, Ed! Stay ever vigilant!
Very pretty interiors on those '57 Adventurers!
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Location: USA - KY | raffaplymouth - 2014-04-23 11:01 AM
...i can also ship my old steering to him?
You can ship your old steering wheel from your Adventurer to him, Raffey. He needs an original steering wheel for the core. He uses that part in the construction of the new steering wheel. It might cost you about $100.00 to ship your old steering wheel to him. He said he had an old one at his ship already that would cost you $150.00, so you would save $50.00 if you shipped your steering wheel to him.
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Location: Torino - Italy | 57desoto - 2014-04-28 12:48 PM All silver. yes ! But not all painted .. Bell and tail is alluminium unpainted ... Is correct ?? |
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Location: Torino - Italy | d500neil - 2014-04-28 3:03 AM Raffy, isn't the aluminum bell housing painted silver, here? bellhousing ant tail is silver but no painted .. Is the color of alluminium .. Case is cast iron |
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Location: Torino - Italy | Engine and transmission is ready .. The next week would be finish all belt service .. Generator , power steering , radiator ... Around 1 month wil be start the engine ! |
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Location: Connecticut | Raffaele - Looks like it's really coming together. I'll bet you can't wait until you start it for the first time. One thing I noticed is that your power brake bellows is upside down. The vacuum port is supposed to be on the other side. Also, AFAIK, the curved port did not make an appearance until '60, to accomodate the tight fit of the long rams. Ron |
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Location: ZH, Switzerland | Hi Raffaele I just watched the picture of your wonderful engine. First of all I noticed that the left and the right hand side spark plug wire cover with the script De Soto are at the wrong place. The slashed side, which is longer than the other side should be at the back of the engine. The slashed side has the opening for the spark plug wires from the distributor. About the generator: I think the generator is mounted the same way on all early Hemi engines. I found a picture of a 1958 Fireflite which has basically the same engine but less power.
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Location: Connecticut | raffaplymouth - 2014-11-08 10:51 AM Ron .. oh s**t .. you are sure of this ??? i think this booster was original found from Lee Exline !! I'm not an expert on Adventurers, so I'm going to double check that with a friend of mine that has a mostly original 57 Adventurer. Ron |
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Location: Torino - Italy | di_ch_NY56 - 2014-11-08 7:12 PM Hi Raffaele I just watched the picture of your wonderful engine. First of all I noticed that the left and the right hand side spark plug wire cover with the script De Soto are at the wrong place. The slashed side, which is longer than the other side should be at the back of the engine. The slashed side has the opening for the spark plug wires from the distributor. About the generator: I think the generator is mounted the same way on all early Hemi engines. I found a picture of a 1958 Fireflite which has basically the same engine but less power. |
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Location: Houston | I probably have an original WP pulley from my 57 Fireflite that I won't be re-using. I also have a PS pump and pulley I am sure I will not be re-using. If you need either or both to help your project, let me know and you can have them for the price of shipping. |
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Location: Torino - Italy | GregCon - 2014-11-09 2:02 PM I probably have an original WP pulley from my 57 Fireflite that I won't be re-using. I also have a PS pump and pulley I am sure I will not be re-using. If you need either or both to help your project, let me know and you can have them for the price of shipping. you are very kind ! I have worked the end of the week for pulley made .. Generator bracket .. Is very close to original .... Let me know |
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Let me know if you want them, you can PM me your address and I will advise shipping. The PS pump will be heavy...so it might cost a bit to send it.
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Location: ZH, Switzerland | Your bracket looks rather good. For a comparison I enclosed two pictures of mine (on a 1956 Chrysler New Yorker - prior of the partial restauration). Good luck with all your work and endavours with your Adventure. Dieter
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Location: Torino - Italy | di_ch_NY56 - 2014-11-11 6:05 PM Your bracket looks rather good. For a comparison I enclosed two pictures of mine (on a 1956 Chrysler New Yorker - prior of the partial restauration). Good luck with all your work and endavours with your Adventure. Dieter Thank you very much for this pictures !! |
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Location: Torino - Italy | GregCon - 2014-11-11 1:23 AM I'm not sure what you need but I also have a generator bracket you can have, it is the one that mounts the generator to the engine, not the long one that tensions the generator. You can have these pieces: Water pump pulley Generator mounting bracket PS pump PS pulley Let me know if you want them, you can PM me your address and I will advise shipping. The PS pump will be heavy...so it might cost a bit to send it. I'm really sorry ... now I have built .... you have other pieces for 57 Desoto ??? |
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Location: Torino - Italy | 57desoto - 2014-12-05 3:43 AM Nope. No one making the carpet to my knowledge. HOWEVER, I have a friend in England who bought a whole LOT of the gold Lurex thread. I gave him a piece of original '57 Adventurer carpeting, and he's looking into having the Lurex woven in. If it's possible without being TOO time-consuming or costly, it may be the only way out. hi Edward ! .. how many times for have from England ??? someone told me also Gary goers have this carpet .. you know ?? |
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I'm the guy in England who's trying to sort out remaking some carpet for the '57 Adventurer. I sent you a direct e mail earlier today - I hope you got it OK??
At the moment the main problem is getting a colour match in a loop pile carpet. Almost nobody does that style of loop carpet here now. I have to go and see a sample in January or February from a company who says they will do a colour match but the cost is high and the minimum order is 40 M2, so we need a few more people on board to get this off the ground. If the loop pile is correct as a basis for getting a colour match run done, then we might be in business. I have purchased a large amount of gold lurex thread which I intend to weave into the carpet by hand. I'll keep you posted on any developments but if others see this and know of anyone interested in getting some replacement carpet made please just let me know. I think we need about 5-7 people willing to invest in the colour match and then be prepared to sew in the lurex thread themselves - I cannot take on doing all the sewing for 7 cars myself!!
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Location: Torino - Italy | '57ADV - 2014-12-18 7:13 PM Hello Raffaele I'm the guy in England who's trying to sort out remaking some carpet for the '57 Adventurer. I sent you a direct e mail earlier today - I hope you got it OK?? At the moment the main problem is getting a colour match in a loop pile carpet. Almost nobody does that style of loop carpet here now. I have to go and see a sample in January or February from a company who says they will do a colour match but the cost is high and the minimum order is 40 M2, so we need a few more people on board to get this off the ground. If the loop pile is correct as a basis for getting a colour match run done, then we might be in business. I have purchased a large amount of gold lurex thread which I intend to weave into the carpet by hand. I'll keep you posted on any developments but if others see this and know of anyone interested in getting some replacement carpet made please just let me know. I think we need about 5-7 people willing to invest in the colour match and then be prepared to sew in the lurex thread themselves - I cannot take on doing all the sewing for 7 cars myself!! Regards Mark HELLO !! i read now your Email ...yes im interested but i have send a deposit at SMS interior for find this lurex carpet ... but please let me know in PM the price for have this carpet from England ! ... Thanks !! |
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Location: Torino - Italy | Thats incredible condition of the original Driveshaft .. i have only cleaned ... u joint look like new , boot look like new .. no play on the joints .. no rust ....was covered in mud .. which has protected the metal .. what if I'm not mistaken is not to be painted ... I read on handbook, by the looks of this car has traveled very low miles .. even the axle and transmission was in the same condition, perhaps Lee Exline can confirm the car have very low miles 
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Years ago, stripped/polished/clear-coated my car's OEM driveline, but there was non-repairable pitting to its finish, thanks to
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Location: Torino - Italy | d500neil - 2014-12-21 10:12 AM WOW.......that's a brand-new driveline, there! Years ago, stripped/polished/clear-coated my car's OEM driveline, but there was non-repairable pitting to its finish, thanks to Indiana (winter-) service life. The OEM-NEW driveline is supposed to appear in new-shiny (un-preserved) condition, but we won't 'tell' about how to preserve that appearance! yes ... Clear paint is a good idea .. But i think original was not painted ... I think will spray silicone .. This will preserve ...!! |
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Location: Torino - Italy | di_ch_NY56 - 2014-12-21 11:37 AM Wow your drive line looks so wonderful like just out of the factory. What about a coat of clear color (transparent)? The drive line in my 1956 Chrysler New Yorker had severe pitting from the surface rust. There was no other option than to color it iron grey. I used silicone oil to massage the boot at the b/t. Now it looks as new again. Happy Motoring Dieter |
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Location: bishop, ca | The only (well, 1-maybe...) problem with applying an OIL to a driveline is dirt contamination/deposits, and, maybe, the need to re-apply
the ointment to the subject, in the future, when the surface-prep wears off.
Best to strip/polish, to the best shine-condition that you can get, and then clear-coat the CRAP out of it....and then, forget about any further maintenance of
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From way-underneath the car, the drive line will look good, from your vantage point!
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Also, did you get my e mail about reproducing the Adventurer carpet - I am making some progress - waiting for more samples to arrive soon! Also, I noticed the discussion about preserving bare metal. Has anyone tried either Gibbs Oil or Rockit Oil? Both of these products claim to provide long term protection for bare metal and you can even paint over them so are not silicone based. I have used both products for seized nuts etc. and they are both excellent. The Rockit Oil claims to use "Nano Technology". I used it the other day to free off some very rusted bolts and it seemed to "disolve" the rust very quickly. Fantastic stuff. Both products are more expensive than WD40 but I would say both are MUCH better than WD40.
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earleebob - 2014-12-18 10:52 PM Hi Raffe did you end up making the clock housing of did you end up finding one? Bob i have build ... if someone need this housing i can build ...
I would like a steering wheel clock housing, Raffey. Could you make one for me too?
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It is coming along great, when I pulled it out of that field so many years ago it was my dream to see it restored, you are making that happen! So proud even if it isn't mine anymore.
It was the hubcaps that caused me to make the decision to sell the car. I found one NOS cap and it sold for $600. That is when I decided that the car would be too expensive for me to restore and I made the decision to sell. I had an Adventurer coupe for a parts car and stacks of NOS parts accumulated over years of searching but never the raw talent you have or the stack of cash needed to do the job. |
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Location: Torino - Italy | <p>Yes Lee .. Is the original speedo ... Only cleaned and polished ... No rechrome ...and show around 70 k miles .. I think original miles of this car ... For the Hubcaps .. I have 5 hubcaps .. 3 in good condition ( need only Gold redone ) and two in bad condition ... One is good outside but the spring is broken and one is bad outside but spring is Good . Need remove the good spring and weldind on the good one hubcap... The golding in not perfect but good ... Im undecided if re-gold or not ... Is very difficult re-gold in Italy</p>
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FIN ME - 2014-12-30 6:09 PM raffaplymouth - 2014-12-19 11:10 AM earleebob - 2014-12-18 10:52 PM Hi Raffe did you end up making the clock housing of did you end up finding one? Bob i have build ... if someone need this housing i can build ... I would like a steering wheel clock housing, Raffey. Could you make one for me too? . yes ! i can .... you can contact me in PM !
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I heard from Ed that you were looking for carpet for your beautiful Adventurer? I'm working on having some made and am gathering original samples and obtaining quotes to see what can be done. Are you interested?
I heard from Bob Hamilton at Earlee Products in Australia that you might be able to make me a retainer for my steering whee clock? Is that possible and what is the cost please?
Finally, as we are much nearer to each other than the USA and both have Adventurers, if you would like to come and stay with us to look over my one before I strip it for painting you would be welcome to stay. Mine is quite original I think so it might be useful for you?
Keep up the brilliant work on the convertible - amazing !!
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Location: Torino - Italy | '57ADV - 2015-01-07 6:41 PM Hi Rafaele, I'm a bit new to this forum but i tried to post a message for you before and also to e mail you as I got you e mail address from Ed Petrus the technical adviser on '57 DeSotos. Three things to ask you: I heard from Ed that you were looking for carpet for your beautiful Adventurer? I'm working on having some made and am gathering original samples and obtaining quotes to see what can be done. Are you interested? I heard from Bob Hamilton at Earlee Products in Australia that you might be able to make me a retainer for my steering whee clock? Is that possible and what is the cost please? Finally, as we are much nearer to each other than the USA and both have Adventurers, if you would like to come and stay with us to look over my one before I strip it for painting you would be welcome to stay. Mine is quite original I think so it might be useful for you? Keep up the brilliant work on the convertible - amazing !! Regards Mark :) YES .. THANKS IM INTERESTED FOR THE CORRECT CARPET ... YES I CAN BUILD THE STEERING CLOCK RETAINER AND LOCK ... YOU CAN CONTACT AT RAFFAPLYMOUTH@OLDAMERICARS.COM |
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I sent you and e-mail about the steering clock retainer and lock. I would like to buy one too.
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P.S. You have done great work on your Adventurer. I don't post much here, but I enjoy following the thread!
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Location: Torino - Italy | wizard - 2015-10-18 3:36 PM My guess is that you must re-link every picture again Raffaele - the same work as uploading the dictures here directly. I'm not a puter-jockey, so perhaps someone else could kick in? Hi Wizard ... sorry but I don't see any touch for edit or modify the message. .. you have idea? |
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57desoto - 2015-10-07 12:42 PM Raffaele, you are the greatest metal-worker on the planet! Thanks Edward! !! I Have a question. .. You know if The Heater harness is inside or outsider of The firewall? ??
Raffe,
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For Starters its a 58 not a 57 .
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Location: Torino - Italy | Guys ... Power Steering Gear leak from this vent Hole ... anyone know some guy that sell the rebuild kit ?? i have installed only the external seal new ... but leak from this vent hole ... 
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Location: ZH, Switzerland | Hi Raffaele As far as I remember from the service manual from my '56 New Yorker (the Beast), or a service bulletin (087 in this case), if there is too much oil in the steering gear it starts leakting through the vent hole. From the pictures... your steering gear looks quite similar to mine (coaxial power steering gear). At my steering gear there is a filler screw at the top of the case near the upper bearing. Good luck! Dieter
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Even though it is not done yet you can see under the missing door trim the original white paint. What an amazing transformation and what the car deserved. When you get it done please shoot another photo from the same angle as the top one so I can make a real representative Before and after shot.
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I've seen the results of their work and it's really nice craftsmanship - their doorskins are very nice. Check out their home page (sorry, not in English yet)
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Sure Lee.. i will make a picture with same angle ...
I like the Bumper Guards .... But i don't success to find. ...
Are they the same as on a 1958 Chrysler? If so, I might be able to find some for you, as this car is being parted out:
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Location: Blackpool, United Kingdom. | Hi raffaele , you're car looks to have had manual windows in originally, you will have to remove the blanks where the original winder handles came through as that's where you window switches will be , also the front doors and pillars will need drilling for the wiring to go through, you will see a indentation in the steel where the holes are located,
Also I see you have left the grill in silver , if it was a replacement bumper as in the picture with the guards,yours may have been Gold , I know there are a few Adventurer's with silver , but I think the Gold does make the front stand out more ,
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Location: Torino - Italy | springsweptwing - 2015-12-08 8:35 PM Hi raffaele , you're car looks to have had manual windows in originally, you will have to remove the blanks where the original winder handles came through as that's where you window switches will be , also the front doors and pillars will need drilling for the wiring to go through, you will see a indentation in the steel where the holes are located, Also I see you have left the grill in silver , if it was a replacement bumper as in the picture with the guards,yours may have been Gold , I know there are a few Adventurer's with silver , but I think the Gold does make the front stand out more , Looking good anyway, Just looking at the underhood shots , I noticed that the plates from the inner fenders to firewall are missing? Paul. Ok Thanks. .. I will make this modify for power windows. . .my original grill was Gold .. I'm sure of this .. was Gold plated like Hubcaps. ..what do you mean for inner fenders plates? ? |
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Sure Lee.. i will make a picture with same angle ...
I like the Bumper Guards .... But i don't success to find. ...
Are they the same as on a 1958 Chrysler? If so, I might be able to find some for you, as this car is being parted out:
58's will work on '57 DeSoto. They have to be welded on the inside to match the bumper flat for the license plate
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Location: Torino - Italy | tnlowrider - 2015-12-08 9:36 PM soiouz - 2015-12-08 2:15 PM raffaplymouth - 2015-12-07 3:30 PM Sure Lee.. i will make a picture with same angle ... I like the Bumper Guards .... But i don't success to find. ... Are they the same as on a 1958 Chrysler? If so, I might be able to find some for you, as this car is being parted out: 58's will work on '57 DeSoto. They have to be welded on the inside to match the bumper flat for the license plate you can find a set of 58 Guards? ?? |
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tnlowrider - 2015-12-08 9:36 PM soiouz - 2015-12-08 2:15 PM raffaplymouth - 2015-12-07 3:30 PM Sure Lee.. i will make a picture with same angle ... I like the Bumper Guards .... But i don't success to find. ... Are they the same as on a 1958 Chrysler? If so, I might be able to find some for you, as this car is being parted out: 58's will work on '57 DeSoto. They have to be welded on the inside to match the bumper flat for the license plate you can find a set of 58 Guards? ??
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just looking at you`re rear quarter panels, they don`t look like they have the embossing on them and i am sure the material is one piece with the top have stitched above the chrome strip?
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. ..what do you mean for inner fenders plates? ?
Here is pictures of splash shield to firewall plates
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Location: Torino - Italy | tnlowrider - 2015-12-08 8:14 PM wizard - 2015-12-08 3:34 AM I've seen the results of their work and it's really nice craftsmanship - their doorskins are very nice. Check out their home page (sorry, not in English yet) Contact info Solberga Bil & Smide Stubbarpsvaegen 21 57176 Solberga Sweden Phone : +46 380-73425 +46 70-2202425 Email: doorskin@tele2.se Thanks so much for this information! Thanks , i have contacted now for Quote of 4 skin on my Vinil |
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Location: Torino - Italy | springsweptwing - 2015-12-09 4:34 AM Hi Raffaele, just looking at you`re rear quarter panels, they don`t look like they have the embossing on them and i am sure the material is one piece with the top have stitched above the chrome strip? YEEA Thank you Very much for the info .. im working for find a Shop that can make this Embossing !! i have contacted now Solberga |
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I was wondering if you have a close up picture, of your rear power window regulators? I'm working on power windows for my '57 Chrysler, but until now, I've never been able to find anyone with a picture of the regulators out of their car!
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Location: Torino - Italy | 60 Imp - 2016-09-20 1:07 PM Those 6 way power seats are a mechanical marvel aren't they? I think I may go to Italy to see this car! Steve. this is incredible in 1957 .... only American cars ... in italy power seats on 90s , power windows on 80s , AC on 80s |
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Location: Torino - Italy | raffaplymouth - 2016-09-28 10:59 AM 60 Imp - 2016-09-20 1:07 PM Those 6 way power seats are a mechanical marvel aren't they? I think I may go to Italy to see this car! Steve. this is incredible in 1957 .... only American cars ... in italy power seats on 90s , power windows on 80s , AC on 80s Italy is good only for Spaghetti and Mafia ... the rest is not good !!! very down now for everything ... politician etc ... |
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Location: ZH, Switzerland | raffaplymouth - 2016-09-27 11:00 AM raffaplymouth - 2016-09-28 10:59 AM 60 Imp - 2016-09-20 1:07 PM Those 6 way power seats are a mechanical marvel aren't they? I think I may go to Italy to see this car! Steve. this is incredible in 1957 .... only American cars ... in italy power seats on 90s , power windows on 80s , AC on 80s Italy is good only for Spaghetti and Mafia ... the rest is not good !!! very down now for everything ... politician etc ... and good for pizza as well |
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Location: Torino - Italy | 58coupe - 2016-10-01 2:50 PM Hey Raffaele my Italian is very poor, what does the writing mean on the inside of the right door? I wrote not to forget the glasses lock ... still missing |
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Location: Torino - Italy | ToMopar - 2018-01-01 2:37 PM Hi Raffaele, congrats to the nice result of your Adv,- and the nice Challenger from Gütersloh Thank you very much Tom ! |
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Location: Torino - Italy | Hi Guys Anyone know how to install this header molding clips ??? 
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