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In a street dual, the old crossram Fireflite outran a 396 Nova to keep my lane. The Nova took the guardrail.  The driver of the Nova was dropjawed that an old beater "batmobile" could beat his car and begged to see under the hood .... never even mentioning his crunched front corner. He had never seen or heard about cars like that !
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Location: Dunnellon, FL | Did the Hot Rod Reunion this past weekend, running Top Stock. Ran my best time to date...13.1 sec, and it was 95 degree weather (red lighted in the second round). A pic from the Bangshift.com site:
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Location: Parts Unknown | AWESOME ! 13.1 is movin !!!! I'm kinda disappointed only two people responded to my question. I HOPE the rest of you at least DRIVE your cars !?! Well, there I go again, they are your cars and you can do whatever you want with them. I just don't understand how someone could get these beautiful and capable cars and not jump on um once in a while (or daily !!!!) ! |
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Location: DFW, TX | Well at this point, they're worn out valuable old cars. Not a lot of people want to spend money on making them fast, they just want to look good.
Plus they weigh 4000lbs give or take a few!
I had a very off-topic Mustang that had a 331ci small Ford in it that would pull the front wheels 2-3' in the air and carry them 40' or so and ran 6.7 at 103. I've been there and done that - and I don't have enough money to get my 392 to run that hard in a 4100lb '57 New Yorker! 
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Location: Big pimpin' | 59Finnedwarrior2 - 2009-06-23 10:44 PM
nice to see that 60 Plymouth spanking that Goat-at least he got a good look at fins from the back.
When racing, the "Goat" is in the burnout box awaiting his run...He's gonna be behind the finned car....
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And I do "Get on" Christine, as I built her to run....
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Location: STL, MO | I was at the reunion and saw your car and about 4 other FL's, there needs to be more of us there. It's a fantastic event but the heat was tuff this year and all the 55 two lane blacktop cars were a bit much, there needs to be some 300's, Adventurers,D-500's,Fury's and CHRISTINES to balance it out. I'll be there next year in my 58 Sub. |
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DUKE, I've been waiting for you to chime in !!! I have seen those youtube vids you posted on that thread floatin around here - AND THAT IS WHAT I CALL "GETTIN ON IT!" - I understand these are some valuable cars (some more than others) but, come on, If the tires break loose, how can you guys pass up that temptation !?!?! Takin these cars out to the strip could be a prob I guess (not all of us live next-door to a track) but we ALL have stopsigns, stoplights, the end of the driveway etc. . . |
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Location: Slidell La. | I ve had mine on the track once since I ve got a new motor and tranny in it. Back in 07 at http://www.cruisinthecoast.com/ , they let the registered cruisers run with no helmets or other saftey gear . This year they re supposed to let you run with your girl in the car , kinda like when you were young with the date on a Sat. nite out racing .
My best time was a 16.0 with no brakes . lol That was my 3rd run and I had brake fade really bad , and passed up the exit by at least a sixteenth of a mile (guessing) . Had to back up a long way .
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What about the children, safety, communal well being, carbon offsets ?
I got me one of those old football helmets like Nicholson wore in Easy Rider. I were it everywhere but the shower. Good looking and man, do I feel safe. Put the top down and show the world I am ON BOARD. I am currently working on perfecting a way to suspend children in jello until they are 18 so they cannot hurt themselves or others. They will still have to wear helmets though. Asbestos lined with lead paint and a pocket for their cigarettes.
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Doc De-, does your child-care program apply to all children, or only to those of the bleeding-hearted left coasters?
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What makes you think that I have a child care program ?
Put them booger-eatin' grubby suckers to work in a coal mine sorting rocks ! 
Speaking of day care, did anyone catch the 20 / 20 a few years back that looked into how the porn industry works ? I was amused to see that "parents" interested in a career in that field were offered day care for their young-uns while they were on the "set".
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Location: Lemoore CA | dukeboy - 2009-06-24 12:39 PM
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Just FYI here, but Charlie Hutton (From American Hot Rod/ Overhaulin'),also painted this car too...
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Location: Dunnellon, FL | B/G 61 - 2009-06-27 9:26 PM
I would love ANY and ALL pictures of the RAMCHARGERS 1961 Pioneer (so that means everyone stop what you are doing and search non-stop every corner of the earth untill all pictures of this car are found) . . .
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Location: Bama | Sept. issue of Mopar Muscle Mag shows a '59 Plymouth Belvedere that does 11.71@116MPH
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Location: Davis, CA | I can finally reply to this thread as I was able to take my 56 Plymouth Belvedere 2 door post out to the wed. night street drags at Sacramento Raceway....first time ever drag racing at all....out of 3 runs I ran a Best ET of 15.5 at 92.00 MPH. Not bad for a stock 361 with a powerflite and edlebrock 600 cfm carb? I want to tune the eddy with a strip kit to get better times, this was just out of the box rods and springs.. timing at 15 BTDC. MY reaction time sucked at .825 gotta work on that. Anyone have any tips? Oh and I have to say, man is it fun just running down the strip at WOT!!! I'm hooked!!!
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I can finally reply to this thread as I was able to take my 56 Plymouth Belvedere 2 door post out to the wed. night street drags at Sacramento Raceway....first time ever drag racing at all....out of 3 runs I ran a Best ET of 15.5 at 92.00 MPH. Not bad for a stock 361 with a powerflite and edlebrock 600 cfm carb? I want to tune the eddy with a strip kit to get better times, this was just out of the box rods and springs.. timing at 15 BTDC. MY reaction time sucked at .825 gotta work on that. Anyone have any tips? Oh and I have to say, man is it fun just running down the strip at WOT!!! I'm hooked!!!
'56, hell you'd cut d@mn near 3 tenths off your time by cuttin'; a better light..My advise is (Course, this would depend on how well your car hooks), wait till the THIRD (3) yellow COMES ON, then NAIL IT...DO NOT wait till the green...This should put you around a .550-.600 light...The rest is how much money you wanna spend on that 361...Next, would be to find some rediculously short rear tires and keep them mounted for swap out when you get to the track, as all gear ratios are figured up on 26" tires..Shorter tire equals more multiplication of your stock rear gears...
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Location: Davis, CA | thank you for the tips dukeboy, I am pretty much going to leave the 361 how it is and cruise it around and start putting money towards a 451 stroker motor to put in, along with the 3 speed and 8-3/4 rear end i have waiting to go in! |
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Location: DFW, TX | dukeboy - 2009-07-17 11:30 AM
you'd cut d@mn near 3 tenths off your time by cuttin'; a better light..
Get to the end of the track .3 faster, yes.
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Location: DFW, TX | The 8-carb blown 392 '59 Dodge is not a drag racer. It was made for top speed runs at Bonneville!!
Owner/builder/driver was Norm Thatcher and he was 63 years old at the time of that article - in 1960! He took a 426 powered 1964 Plymouth over 200mph.
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Location: Parts Unknown | Racin to 200 mph or whatever they were gunnin for at the time is racin to me - That's why I can't understand why more pics aren't bein posted here . . . I've even asked for pics or STORIES of doin burn-outs or whatever . . . |
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There's a thread about burnouts and Christine is in one of 'em, as well as my 505 CI Dart...
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Location: Germany | B/G 61 - 2009-08-11 12:31 AM C'mon people . . . FIND SOME PICS !!!! (old or NEW! ) 
Yeah, a 56 Coronet 2-door sedan! That is what I like  Here is some more about this awesome racing cars:   Fear the Flags
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Location: bishop, ca | Thanks, Rammie; I hadn't seen the photo of the 300B going in reverse before (or was that just the Dodge
attempting to pass it, at Warp-Speed, and underestimating the velocity of the 300?) it was rear-ended
by the Dodge, at Daytona, 1956.
Speaking of which, I've got a couple more photos (of many more) which I'll send to Rammie to post here.
One of which I think was the progenitor of synchronized swimming? I report; you decide.....
BTW, Rammie didn't post up my shot of Norm Thatcher's 59 Dodge Bonneville run results----he placed third, in Class B
Gas Coupe & Sedan : 154.90 mph, against 162.74 from John Simonson, and 165.44 from Bennett-Rochlitzer. None
of the three cars was identified, but the 4th and 5th placing cars were a "Pontiac" and a "Supercharged Pontiac" (154.63
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Location: bishop, ca | Thanks, Danny!
On some other thread I'd asked someone to post-up this pic; turns out that this race was held in Havana, Cuba.
Look at the two cars' attitude; the Roadmonster is late-braking and has the wrong cornering line. The Dodge is accelerating
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Location: bishop, ca | ...Talk about your Bad-days....they might not be synchronized swimming, but they're sure synchronized SPINNING.
Y'all notice who one of the primary sponsors was, scuse me: OWNER was, of that convie?
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Location: Big pimpin' | Aw Dammit, Photobucket must be actin' up again...Try these B/G 61..
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Location: bishop, ca | ..That Model A didn't stand much of a chance.....
Note the small hood scoop of Thatcher's car; it appears that he drove his 60 Dart at Bonneville, in 1961, but with a
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Whereas cars are slammed to the ground, today, back then the thinking was not to 'trap' air underneath the car, but
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Nice torque the Ramchargermobile is exhibiting, half-way down the track!!!!!
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Location: bishop, ca | Dave Strickler did, but did Grumpy ever come over, from the Dark Side?
Were there any other big-name Generic Motors types who stayed true to their corporate feeders?
Bill maverick Golden came over----but, the Lawman--whatis-name--went over to Farts, in the middle-late 60's; anybody
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Location: Parts Unknown | 1964 Hemi Dodge "The Dodge Boys" - Owned by Dave Strickler, wrenched by Bill Jenkins. Ran in A/FX - A/Factory Experimental. 1965 Hemi Plymouth "The Black Arrow" - Owned by Doc Burgess, wrenched by Bill Jenkins. Ran in FX - Factory Experimental and S/S - Super Stock. Then I think he went back to the "other" side . . . Ronnie Sox started out on the "other" side as well and ended his career over there too . . . |
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Location: bishop, ca | The Grumpster was 1965 Mr. Stock Eliminator, and he (ma MoPar) couldn't strike a contract deal, for '66?
BTW, isn't this car, above, a '66 model?----I'd know the difference, if I saw them side by side, though!
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Location: bishop, ca | Nice to see that the driver is wearing a space suit; looks like he's trying to leave the earth !
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Location: Parts Unknown | Richard Petty drove a '61 Plymouth - Lee Petty drove a '61 Dodge ????? I gotta couple of pics of Lee's 61 all mangled up but have never seen a pic of his ride for '61 before his big wreck - Can anyone help ???? |
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Location: bishop, ca | Well, from the "40 Years of Stock car Racing" (Vol II), I find that Sir Ricardo placed 8th overall, with 24 starts, 2 wins,
10 top-five, and 14 top-ten finishes., in the 1961 NASCAR season.
He won $25,238.52 (about $225,000.00, today).
Lee Petty is not shown as having finished in the top-50 winners, in 1961.
In 1962, Dick Petty finished numero-two, overall (didn't know that!), to Joe Weatherly, winning 8 races (Joe got 9, and
Ned Jarrett, in #3 place, won 6 races) and won $60,763.30 .
Lee Petty did not compete.
In the 1960 season, Richard got a second-overall, again (to Rex White????), winning $41,872.95.
LEE PETTY got 6th overall, that year, winning 5 races (Dick won only 3 !!) ; they both drove 1960 PLY's.
I'll send you a bunch of pics, of the 1960 NASCAR season.
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Location: Parts Unknown | This is the only color pic I have of Lee's ride . . .
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Location: bishop, ca | That's a 60, Rammie (I THINK!???)---now, where's all-my pho-toes, of the '60 season???
The Good Book says Lee didn't compete, but, I'll check for ANOTHER driver of #42,
in '61.....
OH, HO!!!
Richard Petty drove #42, at least once (at Richmond; 125 miler), in a 1961 PLY, and, also Marvin Panch
drove #42 PLY, in 1961, as did Maurice Petty.
Marvin finished the season in a respectable 18th place (out of 50-official 'placers'), winning one race
and earning $30,477.94 (again, about $270K, today) for his efforts.
If I REALLY checked the book (there's 52 races!!) I probably could figure out which race your photo
depicts, as #42 certainly crashed-out of 'that' race.
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Location: Parts Unknown | Here's the black and white pic of Lee's '61 - the caption under the pic states . . . Remains of 1961 car in which Petty was nearly killed at Daytona. It looks like a Plymouth?? I was under the impression he raced Plymouth's . . .
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Location: bishop, ca | Heh, I just lost ALL of 'this' message, and that was a LOT of message, when I went up to my previous, to edit it to say
that Richard's cousin, Maurice, also drove #42, in 1961...
Shooooit, well, I did write that LEE PETTY did crash out of the "40 Laps at Daytona International Speedway", on FEB 24, 1961
but Lee is 'credited' with driving #42, a PONCHO (typographical error), owned by Petty Enterprises.
Lee started and finished in 15th place.
The race's write up states : " Lee Petty and Johnny Beauchamp, principles in the stunning inaugural Daytona 500 finish in 1959,
were hurtled [sic] the guard rail while traveling 150 mph. Petty was gravely injured. Speedway medical director A.A. Monaco
said Petty suffered a punctured lung, multiple fractures of the left chest, a fractured left thigh. a broken collar bone and multiple
internal injuries".
Marvin Panch primarily drove for Smokey Yunick, driving a Poncho, in 61; he finished this race in 2nd place, but, won the NEXT
race, for Smokey, driving that Poncho, at the Daytona 500 race, on FEB 26, 1961.
Because of the crash 2 days earlier, no Petty Enterprises driver participated in that 500 race.
There are a couple photos of the two crashed cars--I'll send to Rammie....
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Location: Big pimpin' | B/G 61 - 2009-08-24 4:25 PM
HEY DUKEBOY, WHAT KIND OF SICK JOKE ARE YOU PLAYIN ON ME !!! I can't get your link to work !!!! C'MON BRO, MY MIND IS PICTURIN SOME NASTY SIDEWAYS TIRE SMOKE ACTION AND . . .
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Location: bishop, ca | That's a lot of frontal-area to push around, but, I wonder how those vertical stabilizers performed, on the High Banks? |
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Location: Parts Unknown | I have always struggled with the original Valiant / Lancer design. It is hard to make 57 NY'er or 58 Plymouth proportions (which I find to be about perfect) work on a canvas as small as the Valiant. Still, for a little car, it is pretty cute. If you take the car from the fin / fender ridge down, it is fantastic. But that bulbous rise from there to the belt line is a major case of "WTF ?". The roofline is absolutely discordant and ugly. Imagine this little critter with a 60-61 Dodge-Plymouth 2HT roof set down low on those fins. Man, THAT would be supremely good looking !
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Location: bishop, ca | The Valiant/Lancer roofline is not unlike the unfortunate 1962 DOD/PLY rooflines, which completely break-up the
overall appearance-design of those cars.
Look at a 62 DOD/PLY convertible, with or without its top 'up', and you will see a relatively graceful body shape.
The 62(+) Chub's (IIRC) used a C-pillar design that resembled a convertible's roof line, and it looked good.
Too bad our 'Mother' didn't try that, at least with the 62 DOD/PLY stylings.
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Location: Parts Unknown | I have always liked the '62 Dodge . . . Then again, I get made fun of for LOVIN the '61 Dodge . . . Here is a '61 Plymouth RACIN ! ! ! !
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Location: bishop, ca | Thanks, Rammie/Yikey/B/g; the 62's awkward C-pillar design was also due to the back glass kind of extending out and around
from the C-Pillar sheet metal.
Going back to the Chubster's example, can anyone photo-chop Rammie's 62 Dodge's C-pillar area, so that the back glass profile is
included within the C-pillar?
The resulting shape may resemble the convertible roof shape, but, it will let the roof line look less like it's just been tacked-onto the
body, and more like it is a part OF the body design.
BTW, that photo was taken at Mosher Automotive's shop, in Monrovia, CA.
Been there several times, before (and, YEAH, Gary, we both know who else has shops/office in this area,
but, let's not drop any names, that might not WANT to be 'dropped', here).
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Location: DFW, TX | How about a '57-58 Plymouth race car from the 1958 Northern 500?
Appears to be a 4dr HT too!?
Here's the video- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkSZ_Oa2FBs
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Location: Scottsdale, AZ | B/G 61 - 2009-08-27 2:52 PM No, but when you have to have a second job to cover you mag subs each month you get the issues before they hit the news-stands . . . How funny will it be in a few years when people LAUGH at the idea of magazines being printed instead of just gettin them "on-line" !?!? How funny will it be tryin to explain to people about "news-stands" !?!?!? My brother-in-law just told me yesterday he was driving his daughter and her friend home in his beater Honda and the kids were complaining of the heat - he told his daughters girl friend to roll down the window . . . She didn't do anything because she couldn't find the "button" . . . He actually had to show her how to "roll" down the window using a crank ! ! ! ! ! ! Guess I'll have to start carrying my laptop into the john!
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Location: bishop, ca | ,,,Is that supposed to help you down-load something, Jay? |
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Location: Parts Unknown | "We" all "heard" of the Lee Petty crash a few posts ago in this thread, now we can "see" it . . .
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Location: bishop, ca | ahhh,ummmm.....that's a '61 Chubster, Yikey...doing the Flying Burrito Brothers tribute.
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Location: Bama | I just typed Last Lee Petty Race or Crash(can't remember) in the address bar. That crash had to have hurt. I count 4 lanes almost straight up, that's got to be close to 40' off the ground.
My Y and I were admiring the roll cage and bench seats. Probably just a lap belt too. That's real racing!!
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Location: bishop, ca | And, so-tis! Didn't even notice the "other" car!
BTW, referring back to "40 Years of Stock Car Racing" (Vol II), the newspaper article in Re: this lead-in 100 mile qualifying
race at Daytona (this guy did NOT occur during the 500 mile Grand National race, 2 days later) : " Lee Petty and Johnny
Beauchamp, principals in the inaugural Daytona 500 finish in 1959, were involved in a bone-snapping horrifying crash in the
last lap[!!!]. Petty's Plymouth and Beauchamp's Chubster locked bumpers in the third turn and both machines [being generous
to the Generic Motors-mobile] hurtled the guard rail while traveling 150 MPH. ...".
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Location: bishop, ca | That's a photo of Kelly's former ride, there; you driving it, in the photo?
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Location: Oxnard/Ventura, California | Hey Neil!!! I heard it sold last year for TEN GRAND!!!! I am in Gulfport, and there is a Dodge Brothers dealership here, that still has the stained glass DB Star of David above the doors! I thought of you when I saw them... I will post them in a bit..
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Location: bishop, ca | HEH....I wish I WAS related to the Dodge Brothers....
You got lotsa free time, in the NAV; go get/read "Tangled Web" and the couple-other books on the Dodge Brothers.
All the family members were waiting for Matilda Dodge (John's widow---IIRC) to die, but she out-lived her offspring.
We-all don't KNOW from what real unimaginable wealth is/was, compared to the actual income which was 'earned' by the industrial magnates, around the turn of THE century.
BTW, my dear sainted pappy used to say that the BEST/nicest female-types were to be found in the Deep-South
--any RACY experience, FWDLK-related, in that regard, so far?
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Location: DFW, TX | Dug through the ol' "archives" and here's a few.
How about some 300s doing what they do best!
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It's a Muscle Machines '57 Fury with a scratchbuilt roof. The posts are toothpicks.
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Location: bishop, ca | Danny, who drew the caricatures?
How is the chassis attached to the body, on those Muscle Machines?--rivets?
Just noticed the car parked across the street from that Plymouth.
Too bad that the Plymouth V800 engine option didn't carry its own nameplate-emblem!
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Location: DFW, TX | No idea who did the drawings, but I like em.
The little cars are held together with a single screw.
And just FYI, the black '57 Plaza was powered by a hot '56 DeSoto 330-
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Location: bishop, ca | ..is THAT why it's sitting so low, in front ?---LOLOLOL
Somebody installed an over-head rear view mirror on it, too, probably due to
its 'attack-angle', huh?
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Location: Parts Unknown | Mr. Neil sent me a link of a 4bbl manifold for the Slant Six a while back off of Ebay. I dropped the ball on that one, although I'm sure there is at least one on Ebay now. ANYWAY, here is some pics of the Hyper-Pak Slant Six racing engine and stuff . . .
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Location: Central New Jersey, USA | While my only pics are not digital, if you all really want I can see if I can find my pics of my dad running his /6 powered 60 years ago and upload them...
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Location: Central New Jersey, USA | Forgot a comma, that should read "his /6 powered 60, years ago"
Edit: Actually it reads fine the way it was. "/6 powered 60 years ago"
/6 powered what? 60... years ago is a separate thought...
darn I hate the intricacies of the english language
I'll see if I can find the pic though.
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Location: bishop, ca | I forget where the prompting-post was placed, on this website, but, this thread's commentary is as good as any....
The question/comment concerned the highest form of performance that was OEM bolt-on, in 1960-61, and I said
that I had a magazine issue which discussed that concept.
Well, I found it: (GOOD-old-) Motor Life (the most under-rated enthusiast magazine of the late 50's) 7/60 issue---which
features the Watson custom-painted cars, as were discussed in a way-earlier Members Rides thread.
The subject issue has a GREAT article: "Question: which is the HOTTEST 1960 car?" --Poncho had a 14.55/94.53; Fart had
14.81/94.71 ; Plymmie got 15.00/95.64 Dart got 15.19/86.03 and Chubbie got 15.36/92.78
The Dart suffered from the lack of a solid-lift cam/lifters that the Plymouth had available & installed on it, plus other information...
There also is a WONDERFUL primer-article on general camshaft grinding/timing issues--all of the theory involved, for
the beginner, with simple illustrations regarding what/how a camshaft operates.
But I digress...
The article that I was seeking is :"How to select [1960] Chrysler and DeSoto [performance-] options".
They like the 300F engine, and say that:"As pointed out earlier, there is no one to stop you if you want to make a 300F out
of a '59 Chrysler or DeSoto or even any 1960 model, but the factory will not do it for you....unless you buy a 300F."
As far as the 1960 DeSoto is concerned (and this harkens back to a performance comment I made, on an Engine-Board thread,
recently, about sticking a 'worked' Poly head onto a Hemi engine block, which has taller pistons than the Poly-block has):
" The DeSoto uses a stroke length of 3.38 inches in both the 361 and 383 engines while the Chrysler has a stroke length of 3.75 inches
throughout which means that there are four different bore sizes [between the two car models]. DeSoto has the BIGGEST bore
size at a hulking 4.25 inches to make its 383 cubic inches while Chrysler has the smallest at 4.03 inches to make up its version
of the 383 cubic inch engine.
One might at first figure that there was a quick way to extra horses for the DeSoto merely by swapping [the longer-length Chrysler]
crankshaft and connecting rods [while keeping the DeSoto's big pistons].
There is another interesting idea that comes to mind, too (here comes my thought/idea, above) : All the engines except the 300F have
a 10.0:1 compression ratio (what is it: 10.5 :1 ?) across the board. Since the smaller DeSoto engine has the same ratio of combustion
chamber volume to cylinder volume as the largest in the line, it follows that the chamber volume of the 361-inch engine is less than that
of the 383,
Used on the 383 block it could boost the compression ratio a full point.
The major difference would be the smaller intake valve used in the 361 engine but judicious use of a 70-degree piloted reamer and
eight of the large [Chrysler/383] valves would take care of that particular problem...... "
This article has a lot of other neat concepts/ideas, and discusses various camshafts, carburetion, intakes and rear end ratios
to the creating of :"...your own Q ship."
And, also, this issue shows/discusses the installation of FM converters to our cars--and shows a fairly-slick looking Motorola unit, too.
Find/buy/read this issue of Motor Life !
...and, as this article was written in 1960, it probably pertains to the 1961 DeSoto models, too (if they had
a 383 c.i. engine installed in them).
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bore and stroke used by Dodge and Desoto.... and yes the 361 had the smaller 1.94 and 1.6 valves.... compared to the 383's 2.08 and 1.6 or later exhaust valve of 1.74 So to get the most out of a set of heads you would want a set of 2.08 - 1.74 's not counting the 426's max wedge heads. The 383 was only available in the 60 Adventurer, 61 had just a weak slimmed down 265 HP 361. Seems like Chrysler knew they were dropping the axe on Desoto years earlier. Pretty sad for them....
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Location: bishop, ca | So, a 361 DeSoto would need a bore-job to get to the 4.25", before all the other 1960 Chrysler internals could be installed
into it, as per this article's info.
At least, the owner would already have the 361 heads, to play with!!!
And, a motivated '61 DeSoto owner could probably do the same things, to make a monster-sleeper
out of his car's OEM 361 motor.
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Location: STL, MO | The 3.75 crank in a 383 would make a lowdeck 426, It would be interesting to build 3 383's a b-rb-common chevy 400 crank in a 350 block, build them as equally as possible and dyno them, is that the same blown 300 as 57 burb posted? |
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Location: DFW, TX | Stumbled on another cache today... pages 3-4 of this thread are BRILLIANT. http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/off-topic-misc/50s-60s-style-stock...
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Location: Parts Unknown | Here is a pic of what we all agree to be the coolest car EVER '61 DODGES ! ! ! It's a pic (bad scan) from the April 2010 Hemmings Muscle Machines - They call it a Polara and not a Dodge Phoenix, but it's a cool pic RACIN !!!!
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Location: bishop, ca | Mikey, that absolutely IS the best camera-angle for the 61 Dart series cars; no question.
Notice anything, on its ass-end?
And, since we both happen to love them, so much: try to imagine MY first new-car
viewing, ever, of a 61 Phoenix 2-dr HT, as it approached and drove by me, slowly,
as I was walking home from grade school, for lunch, on fine fall day.....when I
was the impressionable age of 10.
It was like looking at a freshly-landed UFO.
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Got one of those cars close at hand, and the body panel there curves forward to then jut back out to form
that area where the tail light is at the corner. The tail light is not square, but quite "V" shaped to fit this contour.
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Location: Montreal, Canada | Vintage home video of a 1956 Dodge drag racing against a 1955 Chubby:
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Location: bishop, ca | ...Well; it's either THE EMBLEM, or a dealer nameplate.
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Location: Iowa | The pics refuse to post here for me...but here are a couple URL's 1961 300G vs 1965 300L 4sp http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v147/MagikDraggin/Other%20Stuff/61-300G-vs-65-300L.jpg 1961 300G vd 1960 300F http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v147/MagikDraggin/Other%20Stuff/scan-2.jpg |
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Location: STL, MO | Thanks for answering my thoughts on how a MW or 990 scoop would look on my 58 2dr Sub. Has to be the same Jim Hale thats out of Arkansas, where do you find this stuff?! |
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Location: Royal Oak, MI | Gotta love that pic... the Plymouth's smokin' a '57 Chevy.
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Location: DFW, TX | Handygun - 2010-03-22 1:01 PM
... where do you find this stuff?!
Magic!
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Location: bishop, ca | And, what's a little bit unusual about the car is that, it's sponsored by a dealership (sometime in the mid+ sixties)
and yet the bodywork/painting is not tricked out, which would certainly add to its promotional (and psychological!)
impact.
It doesn't even have mag wheels in front.
But, hey, the hood and the roof are a second color, anyway.
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Location: DFW, TX | The dealership callout shows Rogers, Arkansas. I believe the hood is body-color on that car. The class designation is B/MP which is Modified Production, B-category. Modified Production as a class was introduced in 1964. MP cars are usually easy to pick out of the crowd, look for factory bodies with full hoods (scoops were legal), stock wheelbase, and bumpers front and rear. It was a popular "average Joe" racing class in the 60s.
If the car was photographed in 1966, these are the rules it would have competed by. The rules would change slightly by year, but I think that is a good assumption of the year for the photo. At 3717lbs, it could have competed with a 413, and at 3834, it could have raced with a 426. There is an engine displacement callout on the scoop, but I can't read it.
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Location: bishop, ca | Thanks, Danny; so, do y'all think that mag wheels would be allowed, in MP class?
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Location: Parts Unknown | Awesome pic ! I thought that square Chrysler/Plymouth logo on the door didn't come out till the 70's ???? |
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Awesome pic ! I thought that square Chrysler/Plymouth logo on the door didn't come out till the 70's ????
I remember it from the late 1960s, at least by the 1968 model year. Not all dealerships adopted it immediately. Some read "Chrysler Plymouth Imperial", with the word 'Imperial" at the bottom, in white letters with a dark blue background.
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Location: DFW, TX | d500neil - 2010-03-22 4:44 PM
Thanks, Danny; so, do y'all think that mag wheels would be allowed, in MP class?
Oh sure, no question. The image below isn't a rule book, but outlines some of the general class rules when it was introduced. There was never any restriction on wheel styles or materials. Below that is an image of a '63 Dodge that competed in MP in 1964, with mag wheels. Couldn't find any more FL racers to use as an example.
Someone else mentioned the Plymouth logo, and the earliest I see that Plymouth script is 1964. I'm not sure when it was merged with the Chrysler logo to make that rectangular logo, or if that was strictly a dealer-only logo and not used in Plymouth ads. But we can at least narrow the picture down to be 1964 or later. Here are some Mopar ads from '62-65.
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Location: bishop, ca | What's weird, on that 61 rat-rod/tow car creation is that 'they' used 20" wheels on it; like,
that's not a giveaway.
Most rat rods don't use anything (obviously-) modern on them.
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Location: Parts Unknown | Yea, the more I look at the pic of that car, it seems it's a re-do/supposed to be "official" time car - SO . . . maybe it's not a tow car . . .
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Location: bishop, ca | The car might have belonged to someone associated with the SoCal Timing Association, but
it wasn't donated or sponsored by any dealership, which seems kind of unusual, given the
growing popularity of organized (drag-) racing events, in 1960-61.
You'd think that a dealership would have been happy to provide a 4-dr sedan to a racing
organization, that would drive around with the dealership's name prominently displayed on
the car.
The Valiant, above, lives in SoCal (got photos of it at Spring/Fall Flings) and it holds
World records for its 6-cyl class.
It's engine and cylinder head are both OEM aluminum alloy.
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a 10.0:1 compression ratio (what is it: 10.5 :1 ?) across the board. Since the smaller DeSoto engine has the same ratio of combustion
chamber volume to cylinder volume as the largest in the line, it follows that the chamber volume of the 361-
Not nesessarily true...We just had this problem with a supposedly 10.5:1 350 Golden Commando engine and found out while it was advertised at that, the ACTUAL CC volume of the heads and the pistons in the holes caused the REAL WORLD compression to be around 9.0:! at BEST.....Pistons were in the holes around .060......... |
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Now THAT'S what I Call a Speedo Faceplate decal! 4000 = 129 MPH...Stuck on with tape....High tech...And Cool..
Yea, what's the last one say ? 6900 = 200 ? real high tech !!!
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Location: STL, MO | What's up with the Luberfiner bolted to the firewall? Were Parks and assoc afraid of blowing the canister off at extended high rpm? or wanting to squeeze in an extra qt. I wonder if Hedman still has that "hedder" in thier archives? |
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I see someone added a non-stock oil filler to the close valve cover. Hmmm ....
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Those deals on the end of the valve covers aren't oil fillers; they are breathers, which allows the crankcase to "breathe" at high RPMs.
I'll hazzard a guess about what the corrugated tube going from the intake oil fill is doing. I think it may be going down to the exhaust header and joined in such a way that exhaust pulses are actually "sucking" crankcase vapors from inside the engine. The breathers, then, would actually be air inlets for a primitive crankcase pressure evacuation system. In effect, this is free horsepower, since the internal engine parts are operating in a vacuum and are free to move about without pushing air around. Also, a vacuum in the crankcase helps rings to seal better.
Having a crankcase evac system is SOP on modern race cars. They usually run electric pumps for this purpose, but some classes do not allow them. In that case, they run a system like I described.
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Location: Parts Unknown | You convinced me I like how the fuel cell (moon tank) is sittin on the floor - safety first !!! at least there seems to be some kinda brace goin down the door (roll bar like) and the fire extinguisher on the drivers side floor - not exactly where I'd want to find myself if there were a prob at 200 mph |
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Location: Parts Unknown | dukeboy - 2010-03-29 12:14 PM
I'd like to see how well that engine cooled at Those High RPM's with the top radiator hose kinked off like it is in the pic....
At 200 mph there sould be enough air blowin through there to help !!! But you are right - seems like it would be an issue once they were runnin for a few miles or so - or when they stopped . . .
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Location: Scottsdale, AZ | These pics remind me of my step-dad's '62 Dodge or Plymouth he used to bracket race in Sacramento and No. Cali in the 70's. It had, I believe, a big block with long cross rams on it. I don't remember everything about it, but I remember it was loud and fast! And the carbs and manifold looked really cool, I had never seen one before. He sold it later and built a '67 Nova II with a small block and faster, letting him move up in the brackets I guess. I remember I didn't like the Dodge body style (I'm sure influenced by my father's dislike of Mopar and love of GM's), but that motor was just so cool!
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Location: duluth mn. | hey.... that's my car! that pic is from the car craft nationals in i think 1997. i'm actually working on it again... hasn't been out since 1998. total redo. cool cars on this thread, i'm one who isn't afraid to modify or USE my cars. having the date coded air in the tires does nothing for me. carry on. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Tony, speaking of date-coded air---is that the OEM paint on the car, and on it (Dog-Dished) wheels?
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Tony, speaking of date-coded air---is that the OEM paint on the car, and on it (Dog-Dished) wheels?
close to oem color i guess, but not exact, and yes dog dishes only because budget wouldn't allow different at the time(1997 or so). i'll post a pic of the car in it's current state of progress or lack there of!
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Location: STL, MO | I had a 61 Fury hdtp I wanted to do this to but a layoff prevented it, it's much nicer looking than "FUGLY". I like how your kept it all MoPar with the wheel not that many look more MoPar than a 61. Great job Tony, wasnt that car in MA or MM at an event shoot a few years back? |
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Are those pentastar cup holders !?!?! What kinda motor you gonna be runnin ? Nuclear reactor !?!?!?
That looks like some SERIOUS race car - I see some other cars "we" might want to know more about
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yes, i'm trying to keep the mopar/ pentastar theme going with the cup holders.....i'll post a few more examples later. i was gonna run a big hemi, but cost wise it will be easier to get the car done with a wedge.
the other cars in my drive way have a story of there own.... the 59 dodge is going to the netherlands soon. the 61 plymouth sedan 4 door WAS going to be a parts car for my belv. until my oldest daughter showed some interest in it and decided it was too nice too part out, and now is being put together by us both as her first car. the 61 plymouth fury 2 door i got from a friend after i began to hunt for a new parts car to replace the 4 door sedan. follow me still? anyway, it too is way to complete/ nice to be a parts car. some rust, but VERY restorable. ( i got alot of parts with it for the needed repairs) i will most likely keep the 61 fury close to stock when i get around to doing it. in the meantime, i still need some parts for my belv, and my daughters sedan, and am going to follow a lead on another 61 for parts. my daughter thinks i'm a 61 plymouth hoarder!
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Location: duluth mn. | Handygun - 2010-05-16 9:59 AM
I had a 61 Fury hdtp I wanted to do this to but a layoff prevented it, it's much nicer looking than "FUGLY". I like how your kept it all MoPar with the wheel not that many look more MoPar than a 61. Great job Tony, wasnt that car in MA or MM at an event shoot a few years back?
thanks for the nice comments steve! glad you noticed the wheel.... it took some work making that wheel mount on the aftermarket(generic motors) column. nothing a little time at the mill and some persuasion with a hole saw can't fix though. yes , the car was in quite a few magazines back in the day... not full blown features, but some ink anyway from mopar nats and some other events i took it to. |
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Here's a few more shots of the pentastar theme in action.
First is a shot of the fuel cell/ nitrous bottle/ battery/ fuel pump/ and tank mount thingy that will mount in the trunk.
Second is a pic of the tank that will be used for either fuel enrichment or water injection depending on what I do for a power plant.
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This car will not be stock by any means, but I always try to wave the Mopar flag proudly with every car that I do. Glad some of you like it.
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Location: Parts Unknown | Very nice !!!! I hope you post the continued progress of ALL your projects !!!
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Location: Plymouth Spaceport | B/G 61 - 2010-03-22 5:52 PM
Awesome pic ! I thought that square Chrysler/Plymouth logo on the door didn't come out till the 70's ????
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Location: Parts Unknown | 1960DesotoAdventurer - 2010-05-21 10:51 PM
B/G 61 - 2010-03-22 5:52 PM
Awesome pic ! I thought that square Chrysler/Plymouth logo on the door didn't come out till the 70's ????
I may be wrong but I believe I have seen the pentastar symbol used as far back as 1964 or 1965 in advertising
I think the pentastar came out in '62 - I thought the square logo posted a few back was the 70's ad version . . . I'm told
no, but if it didn't start in the 70's, it sure lasted a long time - I remember that square deal into the 80's . . .
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Location: Plymouth Spaceport | B/G 61 - 2010-05-21 10:58 PM
1960DesotoAdventurer - 2010-05-21 10:51 PM
B/G 61 - 2010-03-22 5:52 PM
Awesome pic ! I thought that square Chrysler/Plymouth logo on the door didn't come out till the 70's ????
I may be wrong but I believe I have seen the pentastar symbol used as far back as 1964 or 1965 in advertising
I think the pentastar came out in '62 - I thought the square logo posted a few back was the 70's ad version . . . I'm told
no, but if it didn't start in the 70's, it sure lasted a long time - I remember that square deal into the 80's . . .
I was thinking that the pentastar came out right when the forward look series of cars ended,but wasnt sure about the precise date so thanks for clearing that up!
Which one is the "square" emblem? I was looking at the station wagon at the top of the post,but it has a Pentastar on it.
I never liked the Pentastar symbol,I wish they would have kept the forward look boomerangs....and the forward look style too!
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Location: Parts Unknown | This was discussed in an earlier thread. If I remember torreckly, the Pentastar was initiated in 1965. I too think it
entirely sucks, but that is only because it represents the junk that followed the Forward Look, which to this kid's eyes,
was the ultimate in magical times and memories. In context, I like the 66-69 muscle car period and the Pentastar is
entirely appropriate. However, I would be lying if I were to say I didn't wish it was perpetually 1958 and nothing had
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Location: Plymouth Spaceport | Thanks "Doc",I must have missed that thread.
I thought I was pretty close on the Pentstars date.
I too wish the Forward Look never ended...those two boomerangs darting towards the future really said it all.
I also dont like the ram logo either and I like how when the Forward Look came on the scene Dodge used a Knights Helmet and lance instead..much classier than a farm animal.
In 1957 Plymouth even put a highly stylized abstract Mayflower emblem on the front grille and then wisely in 1958 decided to remove it..just like DeSoto used a shield instead of the old Hernando DeSoto head...that would have looked very out of place on such a sleek modernistic car.
I wish there was a way to go back in time and keep it the '50's forever too.. everything was better then,the music,movies,the way people dressed,their values.sense of family.
Chrylsers "Forward Look" cars really summed up the feeling of the late '50's,back when we still had an optimistic outlook on the future and had a sense of wonder about it...little did they know what things would really be like.
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Great link,looks like you are right!
As I said before I was just guessing because I hadnt seen it in ads that far back before,but it makes perfect sense considering the Boomerang logo symbolized the forward look.
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Location: Parts Unknown | This could be a '62 880, but I like to think it's a '61 Dodge, ie; the coolest car ever . . .
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Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | POSTED on Behalf of NEIL D500
For students of MoPar history (whose interests do not
terminate in 1961), this large hardcover book ("magazine")
is an essential component of any comprehensive library.
It will inform you, not only of the early Chrysler and Forwardlook-
era history, but will inform you of how and why Chrysler developed
its Pentastar Corporate advertising logo and identity, as it progressed
and evolved into the 1960's, and beyond.
This is a wonderful trove of corporate history, for any one who cares
about such things (including its racing activities).
http://cgi.ebay.com/Winter-1965-Wards-Quarterly-Chrysler-Story-Book...
Hardcover book , 10 x 13 , 144 pages , soiling , discoloration , wear , and bending at corners on covers , soiling on few pages , pencil notation on one page . "Ward's Quarterly Winter 1965 Volume One Number One : The Chrysler Story" , Powers and Company Inc , Detroit , Michigan , 1965 . Postage for this book is $6.95 for media mail in the US only . For foreign or Canada , contact us for the exact shipping charge , but please keep in mind that this book is a heavy item . |
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Location: bishop, ca | Ray, check out evil pay # 260363545996, but, hurry....it's Buy-it-Nowsville.
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Location: Dalveen, Queensland, Australia | Neil, thanks for pointing that out. I am distressed now that you do, however...
You see, I bought the other one. At a total cost $7.95 higher!
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Location: bishop, ca | ...They probably won't....but they should!
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Location: Dalveen, Queensland, Australia | My dilemma is that I sent it, in order to make it a quick and easy transaction, to my son's place in Indiana...
Then I sent him a message asking him to onforward it. No reply as yet, of course. I might see it in two or three years I suppose.
I'm losing all round with this one, then. But I'm sure it will be worth it in the end. |
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Location: bishop, ca | It will be; there is wonderful "real" (straight from the Corporate mouths) information in this book, as opposed
to the usual 3rd-hand information that we all see.
I've just bought the second issue (which deals with AMC products), so, it will be interesting to see if there are any
Corporate-corrections to the first issue's information.
What's also nice, and very unusual, is that this comprehensive presentation was made in contemporary real-time, and
with the factory's direct involvement, as opposed to its having been prepared as being an historical biography.
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Found these two pics while perusing a 1985 issue
of "Stock Car Racing" magazine, last night, in
its article about George Kent's racing career.
Anybody recognize that 4-dr sedan? That's
the only photo of it, in the article.
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Was doing some '57 research and got side-tracked
to the 56 NASCAR season, so, heres some random
shots from "40 Years of Stock Car Racing".
BTW, that IS a Fart, at the end of the Daytona-row
of Kiekaefer's cars. I don't see any race results for a
K. Fart, but Fonty Flock finished 10th in a Dodge,
while Speedy Thompson had a mechanical failure
in the other Dodge, and retired in 71st , out of 76
starters, in the other K. Dodge--which qualified in
second place(!)
According to 40 Years, K also ran two of his 55
CHRY's in the Daytona race, and they finished in
19th & 20th.
OK:... Tim Flock won the race, in a '56 K. CHRY
and Frank Mundy finished 43rd in the other K.
'56 CHRY.
Kiekaefer Marine Outboards was well represented
in this race!
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Location: bishop, ca | Just had a series of conversations with Still Out There, and he believes that the farthest-away car might be
another 300 model.
He says (and I knew-) that K. had bought at least one Fart (and a Chubbie--didn't know THAT)--and that he had
bought them to compare to his own cars, and to show Chubbie & Fart that his cars were better than theirs!
I (still) have no idea what that far-away car may have been---it sure looks smaller than the Dodge, standing
next to it, and, no, K. never bought any PLY's , that I know-of.
There was a "300B" driven by Frank Mundy (300B; 43rd) and a "300" driven by Charlie Scott (C300; 19th)
and a "300A" driven by Tim Flock (300B; winner) and, a "301" driven by Buck Baker (C300; 20th) in the race,
sponsored by K.
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'57 Gasser with a wild intake and a Chrysler with an even wilder intake . . .
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Location: bishop, ca | Check out the tiny little generator--not much 'juice' required, to get it moving.
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Location: Parts Unknown | Handygun - 2010-06-01 12:38 AM
Those cars were owned by Ramcharger members.
YES !!! If ANYONE is even a SLIGHT fan of Ma MoPar, I will say you NEED the
"We Were The Ramchargers" book . . . AWESOME
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Location: Parts Unknown | O.K. It's well documented that the COOLEST car EVER was/IS the '61 Dodge
Here is some proof . . .
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Location: bishop, ca | Is that why their hoods are always open? Cooling off?
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Yea, SUPER COOL ! A fella ain't gonna lose too many times runnin dead on the dial-in !!!!
There are some other cool vids related to that one too ! Thanks for postin !!!
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Location: Australia | B/G 61 - 2009-08-27 5:52 PM
No, but when you have to have a second job to cover you mag subs each month you get the issues before they hit the news-stands . . . How funny will it be in a few years when people LAUGH at the idea of magazines being printed instead of just gettin them "on-line" !?!? How funny will it be tryin to explain to people about "news-stands" !?!?!? My brother-in-law just told me yesterday he was driving his daughter and her friend home in his beater Honda and the kids were complaining of the heat - he told his daughters girl friend to roll down the window . . . She didn't do anything because she couldn't find the "button" . . . He actually had to show her how to "roll" down the window using a crank ! ! ! ! ! !
i will cry the day they stop printing magazines and books
thanks for posting the pics of the 43 '61 coupe... ive been trying to find more pics of the petty 61 for ages... first time ive looked at this thread... will have to get some magazines out and scan...
this ones here in Adelaide... havent seen it out for many years... funny thing, i found my old photo albums from years ago when i still had a film camera the other day, and what was funny was 80% of the cars id taken pics of back then were Forwardlooks... i didnt even know what a forwardlook was back in 2001- 2003... cheers adriana
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Location: Western New York | Found this shot of a '55 Dodge 'vert running F/Gas at Niagara Dragstrip in the early '60s
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Location: Nasco , SWEDEN | Mopars at the strip 2010 (sweden)
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Location: Parts Unknown | . . .CLOSE ENOUGH ! ! !
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Location: Royal Oak, MI | A shame that the original '57 Plymouth Hot Rod Magazine Special ("Suddenly") didn't survive. What a collector car that would be now! |
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Location: bishop, ca | The Hot Rod Spl. (or, at least a CLONE of it...forget which, right now) DID survive, and is in the Petersen Museum
(again, IIRC) in L.A. .
That car was driven across country from L.A. to Daytona, just in time for the Speedweeks trials (IIRC iii).
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Location: Royal Oak, MI | d500neil - 2010-09-23 2:33 PM
The Hot Rod Spl. (or, at least a CLONE of it...forget which, right now) DID survive, and is in the Petersen Museum
(again, IIRC) in L.A. .
That car was driven across country from L.A. to Daytona, just in time for the Speedweeks trials (IIRC iii).
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A snapshot enlargement of mine.
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Location: bishop, ca | ...Or get too far on a tank of gas.
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Location: jersey | Doctor DeSoto - 2010-09-23 9:32 AM
Am I seeing RUST on the corners of that front valance ???? !!!!!!!
The car was run at the salt flats. |
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Location: Dalveen, Queensland, Australia | Looks to me like he wasn't exactly enamoured of being his picture taken in that pose...
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Posted for NEIL D500
8 x 10 press photo of the vehicle involved in a tragic accident that killed 7 people in Saginaw, Michigan. This photo is in good condition with any imperfections due to age and/or editing by the original handler.
This wreck reminds me of Patsy clines near fatal carcrash in the movie "SWEET DREAMS" |
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Location: bishop, ca | ....For the record, I did not ask Sir Clive to post these Evilpay-auctions' pics to this thread.
However, they do serve as being suitable precautionary tales, about the unintended consequences of Street-racing.
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....For the record, I did not ask Sir Clive to post these Evilpay-auctions' pics to this thread.
However, they do serve as being suitable precautionary tales, about the unintended consequences of Street-racing.
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yep he asked for this one.. LOL
Any one interested , this PIC is for sale on US Ebay
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Nice vintage 1956 magazine ad
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Champion Spark Plugs
featuring the
1955 Chrysler Imperial
excellent condition
magazine page size...approximately 11.5 X 13.5 inches
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Location: Minneapolis | 1960DesotoAdventurer - 2010-05-22 1:37 PM B/G 61 - 2010-05-21 10:58 PM 1960DesotoAdventurer - 2010-05-21 10:51 PM B/G 61 - 2010-03-22 5:52 PM Awesome pic ! I thought that square Chrysler/Plymouth logo on the door didn't come out till the 70's ???? I may be wrong but I believe I have seen the pentastar symbol used as far back as 1964 or 1965 in advertising I think the pentastar came out in '62 - I thought the square logo posted a few back was the 70's ad version . . . I'm told no, but if it didn't start in the 70's, it sure lasted a long time - I remember that square deal into the 80's . . . I was thinking that the pentastar came out right when the forward look series of cars ended,but wasnt sure about the precise date so thanks for clearing that up! Which one is the "square" emblem? I was looking at the station wagon at the top of the post,but it has a Pentastar on it. I never liked the Pentastar symbol,I wish they would have kept the forward look boomerangs....and the forward look style too! :laugh: Pentastar came out in '63, it's on all right fenders through '72. I have seen that rectangular blue/white Chrysler/Plymouth logo in pics as early as late '65. Sorry about drudging this up, but I just saw this part of the thread.
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Location: Minneapolis | Youre right, Steve. Here's the original. I cant figure out why they didnt use a sedan when they added posts to the hardtop anyway. And didnt the hardtop have the heavier ragtop sub-structures that would have slowed the car? Really cool car, I like it much more than Christine cars, very unique.
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Location: bishop, ca | And, iirc, that car was DRIVEN to Daytona Beach, from SoCal, for the Speedweeks trials, very shortly before
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Location: Golden, CO | Hello Forward Lookers, Tim in Golden here and I am in the 4th season of racing my 4500lb 56 New Yorker coupe at Bandimere Dragstrip in Morrison Colorado. I started to race it totally stock and it was completely original the first year. The same car I drove to Tulsarama. The engine still has its original pistons. Best original time was 18:48 @76 mph. I won 14 rounds in my first season of our Street ET Series and I had not raced in almost 30 years. For me there is nothing cooler than drag racing a "stock" fifties car. And sure some might think OMG he's tearing it up but the car actually runs better than ever. I now have well over 100 runs with no issues. And for those unaware the altitude here is over 5k and density is usually over 7k and that costs at least a second over sea level. I now shift my original powerflite at 1000' and run over 81mph. I have added a 55 300c carb set up and Racer Brown 485 lift cam with the 2 1/2" truck exhaust manifolds . Last year I ran the entire 1/4 in low gear and went 79 MPH! With no stall converter I lost a half second ET... but gained 5mph. Best this year so far 19.12 @ 81 mph. I know this sounds slow but I need a rear gear change to run the 1/4 maybe a 5:13. Right now the car has a huge top end. My 60' time is in the 3.4 second range, crazy slow. Next stop 15 second New Yorker. |
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Location: Parts Unknown | Dash One - 2011-06-17 7:45 AM
Hello Forward Lookers, Tim in Golden here and I am in the 4th season of racing my 4500lb 56 New Yorker coupe at Bandimere Dragstrip in Morrison Colorado. I started to race it totally stock and it was completely original the first year. The same car I drove to Tulsarama. The engine still has its original pistons. Best original time was 18:48 @76 mph. I won 14 rounds in my first season of our Street ET Series and I had not raced in almost 30 years. For me there is nothing cooler than drag racing a "stock" fifties car. And sure some might think OMG he's tearing it up but the car actually runs better than ever. I now have well over 100 runs with no issues. And for those unaware the altitude here is over 5k and density is usually over 7k and that costs at least a second over sea level. I now shift my original powerflite at 1000' and run over 81mph. I have added a 55 300c carb set up and Racer Brown 485 lift cam with the 2 1/2" truck exhaust manifolds . Last year I ran the entire 1/4 in low gear and went 79 MPH! With no stall converter I lost a half second ET... but gained 5mph. Best this year so far 19.12 @ 81 mph. I know this sounds slow but I need a rear gear change to run the 1/4 maybe a 5:13. Right now the car has a huge top end. My 60' time is in the 3.4 second range, crazy slow. Next stop 15 second New Yorker.
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Location: Kansas City | B/G 61 - 2010-05-31 4:10 PM
'57 Gasser with a wild intake and a Chrysler with an even wilder intake . . .
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Location: Parts Unknown | 3N57-2729 - 2011-06-20 2:49 PM
B/G 61 - 2010-05-31 4:10 PM
'57 Gasser with a wild intake and a Chrysler with an even wilder intake . . .
Do you have any additional pictures of the '57 Chrysler that the engine in the last picture is in? Would love to see more and know more about the car.
Thanks!
Those pics were out of the "We Were The Ramchargers" book - I don't have the book right now, I let a friend borrow it -
When I get it back I will post the stories about it - (who owned it etc.) That book is awesome and I recomend it to EVERYONE
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Location: jersey | 1960fury - 2011-06-20 5:13 PM
boy do gassers look stupid :wince:
HAHAHAHHAHA
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Location: bishop, ca | Eric, you must be referring to Generic Motors vehicles.
Restoring a Forwardlooker is anything but a boring experience.
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Location: Kansas City | B/G 61 - 2011-06-20 3:36 PM
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B/G 61 - 2010-05-31 4:10 PM
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Do you have any additional pictures of the '57 Chrysler that the engine in the last picture is in? Would love to see more and know more about the car.
Thanks!
Those pics were out of the "We Were The Ramchargers" book - I don't have the book right now, I let a friend borrow it -
When I get it back I will post the stories about it - (who owned it etc. ) That book is awesome and I recomend it to EVERYONE
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The Michigan Madman on 4 wheels
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Location: Parts Unknown | Had a guy contact me today. Wants to buy the 56 Dodge wagon to restore as a tow rig
for his 55 Plymouth gasser that is nearing completion. He said it is a recreation of one he
raced back in the 50's. He promised pix when it gets paint in a few weeks.
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Location: Golden, CO | Ready for ST ET racing tonite. The 56 New Yorker Very "stock" even has original carpet. One tough car.
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Location: Parts Unknown | Dash One - 2011-06-24 1:11 PM
Ready for ST ET racing tonite. The 56 New Yorker Very "stock" even has original carpet. One tough car.
Well, give us an update I have been off-line for a while, and I'm just gettin back here . . .
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. . . and Mr. Neil sent me this a while ago . . . I bet the Plymouth beat all those cars, right ???
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Location: Parts Unknown | What does a 60 Plymouth 2S weigh in at ? I would be they are about the
best possible FL drag car.
And they look so "right" in drag paint / gear.
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I still would love ANY info on that car - someones gotta know somethin !!!
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Who drove it ? Where did it race ? Any other pics ? I think I posted that pic back a few pages (?)
I stole it off the web somewhere - WAY COOL car - Love the stance it has - I'd LOVE to have seen it
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Location: bishop, ca | In Hemidave's photo, above here, that's Dick Joslin's ride, a "1957 Dodge"---probably a D500, but not known or
ever described as being a D501---in the Daytona pits, for the 2/23/58 Grand National race.
The car belonged to Doc White.
The car qualified in 29th place (out of 49 starters) and finished in 43rd place, retiring from a "hose" problem, on the 6th lap.
The last 9 finishers got zero money, for their efforts, and the 31st thru 40th placers got $25.00 each.
The 26-30th finishers got $50bux each; 18-20 got $75.00; 17: $80.00; 16 : $90; and 14-15 got $100bux... The winner received $4,550.00,
a 58 Poncho driven by Paul Goldsmith, owned by MR. Smokey Yunick.
HAD to love to race, back then!
Cause you sure didn't do it for the money---unless you were a consistent top-ten finisher.
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Location: bishop, ca | ...at the 1957 "Grand National Race on the Beach and Road Course at Daytona Beach", with Lem Svajian driving
his own (apparently/reportedly) "1957 Plymouth", following (momentarily; maybe LAPPING) Glen "Fireball"
Roberts, who is seen driving DePaolo Engineering's 1957 Fart.
Lem Started in 32nd place (out of 57 starters) and finished in 29th place, earning him $50bux for his day's work.
Fireball started in 14th, but finished in 37th place.
Both cars were apparently not running at the end of the race, but their laps-completed is not recorded in "40 Years
of Stock Car Racing" (Vol 1).
Winner was Cotton Owens (soon to be a big time Dodge Boy) driving Ray Nichels' 57 Poncho; winner received $4,250.00.
Highest placing Plymmie was Charlie Cregar, driving his own 1957; he got $200.00.
No '57 Dodges appeared in the race; highest 56'er was Joe Lee Johnson, driving S.T. Campbell's car; Joe Lee earned $25.00
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Location: bishop, ca | The paint is certainly loud enuf.
With all of the built in weight transfer, the front bumper was probably installed to keep the front end down.
The driver was probably not the 'quiet' one, while trying to keep this guy running in a straight line.
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Location: Dalveen, Queensland, Australia | I think it was, but Bill will know for sure and it will be on the Allpar site too (look under the Hemi engines details)...
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Location: Dunnellon, FL | Bob Kammer's 60 Plymouth 'Weekend Warrior' is shown on page 1. I can't remember if his second 60 Plymouth convertible "Weekend Warrior II' has been posted:
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Location: bishop, ca | It was (one of the-) official support car(s) for Daytona Speed Weeks.
It just had to look pretty.
But, Kiekaefer apparently had something to do with its presentation, there.
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Location: Nasco , SWEDEN | speeeeed.......... just suck in these pic´s in your gearhead an close your eyes ahhhhh can you smell the hi octane parfume
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Location: Dalveen, Queensland, Australia | Fabulous...
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Location: Parts Unknown | mogge65 - 2011-12-28 2:53 AM
speeeeed.......... just suck in these pic´s in your gearhead an close your eyes ahhhhh can you smell the hi octane parfume :inlove:
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Location: Nasco , SWEDEN | Norm Thatcher´s car as it look´s today! it´s a "Time capsule"
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Location: Brisbane, Australia | Norm Thatcher's 300D is my favourite, understated, uncluttered style. The 'under hood' shot showing the dual carbs has a blanking plate on the fire wall instead of the heater/A/C cowl. Is this standard or a weight reduction measure?
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Location: Parts Unknown | earleebob1 - 2012-01-06 3:53 PM
Norm Thatcher's 300D is my favourite, understated, uncluttered style. The 'under hood' shot showing the dual carbs has a blanking plate on the fire wall instead of the heater/A/C cowl. Is this standard or a weight reduction measure?
Standard heater delete firewall block off used through '61
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Location: bishop, ca | Very nice work, there, Bob; but, that smaller blower block off plate is harder to find than the large heater block-off
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Location: bishop, ca | Gonna stick my neck out a tad, here (waiting for confirmation/correction from S.O.T.)...but, it is my understanding
that the lower section of the FWDLK/WCFB carbs are not supposed to have a 'gold' finish on them, but, the face
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Location: Auckland, New Zealand. | The brake booster front and rear cover plate has a finish known as gold pasivate, which is a zinc plating process, but just a different color. If you have ever taken apart an original booster, the finish is on the inside of these cover plates too, and having spent it's life in a vacuum (literally), the gold finish is preserved better than new. The outside tends to fade to a silver color over time.
The WCFBs, I am lead to believe, have a gold center section, the top section is natural and the bottom section I have seen in both black and natural cast iron.
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Gonna stick my neck out a tad, here (waiting for confirmation/correction from S.O.T.)...but, it is my understanding
that the lower section of the FWDLK/WCFB carbs are not supposed to have a 'gold' finish on them, but, the face
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Location: Golden, CO | Hi Folks, To update on my 56 New Yorker. I finished my 4th season. The combination came into its own by the end of the season. While it is still quite slow in the 1/4 I assure you there is ample power in longer distances. The Mile High Bracket Nationals is the final race of the season at Bandimere and I won the first 2 rounds in spectacular fashion. First up was a 10 sec bike, I dialed 18.99 and ran a 19.02 and won by .0005 on a holeshot his trap speed 140, mine 81. Second up was a 12 second 78 Malibu won by .03 and on a hole shot. Over 200 runs now on a 56 year old car, engine still has original pistons and over 100k miles, trans has never been rebuilt. Oh Yeah and Two recent photos of the D500-1 in the midst of an 8 year long slumber in its cosy garage (a remote secure location). Tim in Golden
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Location: Nasco , SWEDEN | Sitting in the kitchen of her Bloomfield Township home, Anne Armstrong looks like a grandma about to bake cookies.
That is, until she pulls out a scrapbook and talks about her glory days as a drag racer.
“Our car was one-of-a-kind,” she said. “Nobody in the country had a full-sized Chrysler with a 600-horsepower hemi motor in it.”
Anne and her husband Jack raced a 1962 Chrysler 300 sport, affectionately named “The Beautiful Brute.” Painted bermuda turquoise, the two-door hardtop is gloriously large and sleek with leather bucket seats and chrome to spare.
The couple paid about $3,700 for the car Dec. 28, 1961. They were soon winning races on quarter-mile tracks from Brownstown to Ontario. They left the house early on weekends, tossing the kids in the back seat with a lunch basket and heading to the drag strip.
Mostly, Jack was behind the wheel. Anne drove, too, even winning races when she was pregnant. She had a thing for beating Chevys.
Anyone who grew up in metro Detroit in the '60s can picture those stock cars and muscle rides racing the local drag strips and cruising Woodward Avenue. Kids like Anne and Jack Armstrong were behind the wheel, pedal to the floor, pushing the motor, caught up in the moment and the speed.
THE COUPLE THAT RACES TOGETHER
They married in 1958. Anne had just graduated from Avondale High School, where she was editor of the school newspaper and planning for a career as a reporter. She barely knew how to drive.
“My dad always bought Fords,” she said. “He was a television repairman and he never made much money, but he bought Fords because they were easy to work on.
“I never got to drive my dad's car, even though I had a driver's license. He was afraid if I drove it and got into an accident, he wouldn't be able to get to work on Monday. So he never let anyone drive his car.”
The honeymoon couple needed a new car when they came across a 1959 metallic green Plymouth Sports Fury with a 305-horsepower engine. The car ran so fast they decided to test it at the old Detroit Dragway at Sibley and Dix — better known as the “The Dirty D.”
On a whim, Jack told Anne she should take the car out for its initial tune-up run. It was her first time at the dragway and her first time racing on a quarter-mile track. She faced off against a '55 Chevy and won.
“I didn't hear it, but I guess the announcer saw me and said into the loudspeaker, ‘Will you look at that — the man sends his wife out for a loaf of bread and look where she ends up,”' she said. “I was probably one of the first women to drive that strip.”
They were winning races with the Plymouth, but they wanted something faster. They went to a dealership in Rochester and saw the Chrysler 300 in the showroom. It was love at first sight. They were living in a small house in Clawson, and Anne remembers how they passed on the electric windows and other extras when ordering their new car.
“Jack was making low weekly wages at the time,” she said. “He was working in an automatic screw machine shop. Before we got married, he was doing construction work and building Esther Williams swimming pools. Two weeks before our wedding, his brother got him a job in the machine shop.”
They kept racing at the local drag strips, winning more often than not. They kept tinkering with the Chrysler, replacing the engine with bigger ones until they ended up with a hemi 600-horsepower motor. Anne said it did not take any special skills to drive the car — just a good set of nerves.
“When it had the hemi in it and the 600 horsepower, you had to aim it,” she said. “You couldn't really steer the car. You put your hands on the steering wheel and more or less aimed it.”
FAST AND LOUD
One time Jack was out of town and Anne decided to visit her aunt in Pontiac. She was driving along Woodward through Birmingham, her 3-year-old asleep in the back seat of the Chrysler, when she came across three guys cruising around in a '57 Plymouth.
“Somehow we looked at each and decided we would go for it at the light,” she said. “I beat them — twice. And I thought, ‘Well, there are three of them so they can't pretend it didn't happen.' Oh, and I was pregnant at the time.”
A police officer happened to spot the two cars and ticketed both drivers for drag racing, a $50 fine. Anne pleaded with the judge, claiming the guys were chasing her, and got the ticket dismissed.
Another time she was nine months pregnant when she took the Chrysler to a drag strip in New Baltimore, hoping to burn off some nervous energy. Jack stayed home with their daughter. She won seven of her races and gave birth to a second daughter two days later.
FINAL LAP
They moved from Clawson to Bloomfield Township in 1965 and raced for several more years. Jack was growing tired of the racing circuit and one day sold the hemi motor without telling Anne. They almost didn't speak to each other for two weeks.
“I drove the car,” she said. “I thought we're a married couple and we're supposed to tell each other these things.”
Years passed, the kids grew into adults, the drag strips closed and the Chrysler stayed in the garage under a dust cover. It only came out in nice weather. In 1998, Jack and Anne decided to restore it. They took the car completely apart — all the chrome, the bumpers, the engine, the interior — and sent the frame to a body shop.
A few weeks later, Jack had open heart surgery and died. He was 60.
It was left to Anne to put the car together. She had an original dealership parts manual that was six inches thick and help from an old family friend. Otherwise she was on her own.
“The hardest part was finding all the parts,” she said. “What I took off I put in zip-lock baggies and labeled. What Jack took off went in tool boxes, coffee cans and drawers.”
It took her more than a decade to finish the job. Some of the time she spent waiting on parts. During the winter months she stayed indoors, choosing not to spend her evenings alone in a cold garage.
Every road has its curves. In 2002, Anne's daughter died unexpectedly from heart disease. A few weeks later, Anne herself was diagnosed with breast cancer. Bumps and blind spots, hills and detours.
In August 2011, nearly 50 years after she first set sight on the Chrysler 300, Anne made the car drivable again. Her son Duane was alongside her at last year's Dream Cruise. She plans to display it at the Detroit Autorama show later this month.
“Jack would be proud,” she said with a smile.
She turns 72 in June. Look for her at the next light along Woodward. She'll be the one shifting into high gear, open road ahead.
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Location: Nasco , SWEDEN | Ray, The way she felt when her husband sold the hemi with her not knowing about it? As for me i hope she bought one of those "crate hemis" and stuffed it back in where it belongs ! hopefully a "528" then she will have those 600 ponies at hand again if she feel the urge ....................
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Location: duluth mn. | B/G 61 - 2010-05-16 9:02 AM
Are those pentastar cup holders !?!?! What kinda motor you gonna be runnin ? Nuclear reactor !?!?!?
That looks like some SERIOUS race car - I see some other cars "we" might want to know more about
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i haven't posted in a while,but as time and money$$ allow, i've been tinkering a little on my 61 plymouth belvedere. we've got alot mocked up and decided on where alot of stuff needs to go. it might not seem like much has been done, but trust me there has been!! here's a couple pics of the most current progress.
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Location: duluth mn. | Ray Bell - 2012-03-28 12:36 AM
What breed of steering rack is that in there?
flaming river. the whole front susp. is based off a mustang two. i got it all with the front frame/air ride clip from art morrison. |
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Location: duluth mn. | longram60 - 2012-03-28 10:28 AM
I wouldn't have thought the Indy cylinder heads & valve covers would have cleared the long rams. Is that a low deck block or RB?
RB. the rams were too close for comfort, and along with them not being the same size ports as the indy heads(max wedge) my buddy made a set of 1" thick intake spacer/port size smoother transition pieces. now there is plenty of room. |
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Wow! She'll be a beast! Nice touch with the cutout for the exhaust.
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Location: duluth mn. | Doctor DeSoto - 2012-03-28 3:55 AM
Little known fact for the purists:
The supercharged crossram cars came equipped with the mahogany broom handle hood holder.
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Location: bishop, ca | In Joakim's first pic, above, #3 was a 1959 Poncho that was tuned by my Hero Smokey Yunick, but the car was owned
by Jim Stephens, and driven by Glen Fireball Roberts in the 2/22/59 Daytona 500 race.
Unusually, for a Yunickmobile, the car qualified in 46th spot (out of 59 starters) and finished in 45th, after retiring on lap
56 (out of 200) due to a "fuel pump" failure. Roberts won $650.00 for his efforts; the winner, Lee Petty (in a 59 Olds)
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Top placed Mope was Dick Joslin's 1957 Dodge (probably not a D501) which went out on lap 167, for 28th place (having
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Robert's $650.00 was equivalent to a 10th place finish:
"The lead changed hands 33 times among seven different drivers. ...Fireball Roberts started 46th, but had the lead by the 25th
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He had shaken loose from the rest of the contenders and was leading by a comfortable margin when fuel pump failure sidelined
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--40 Years of Stock Car Racing; Vol. 2
Smokey is seen, kneeling in front of the car.
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Location: bishop, ca | Hmmmm....I've never read a race review, in "40 Years", which ascribed a DNF, or a crash, to the failure of a single-pot
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Location: jersey | d500neil - 2012-06-12 12:57 AM
Hmmmm....I've never read a race review, in "40 Years", which ascribed a DNF, or a crash, to the failure of a single-pot
master cylinder!
Tell ya what. Lets you and me get two almost identical cars. only difference is you getb the single pot master, i get a dual reservoir master. No lets put a pinhole in just one of the brake lines, get the cars up to hi way speed, and then have to slow way down for a 90* bend, with a cliff on the side.
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Hmmmm....I've never read a race review, in "40 Years", which ascribed a DNF, or a crash, to the failure of a single-pot
master cylinder!
Tell ya what. Lets you and me get two almost identical cars. only difference is you getb the single pot master, i get a dual reservoir master. No lets put a pinhole in just one of the brake lines, get the cars up to hi way speed, and then have to slow way down for a 90* bend, with a cliff on the side.
whatta ya say????
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I say you potheads shouldn't driving under the influence !
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Location: bishop, ca | LOL---If I get one pin-hole leak...YOU get TWO pin hole leaks!
Howabout throwing in some sort of un-natural disaster, like, your dual point leaking all over a wheel cylinder, causing
your car to skid over a cliff, while my car stops safely, because its single-pot didn't develop any leakages in it?
Also, of significance is the much greater volume of brake fluid contained in a single pot, than most dualies.
In that mythological "pin hole" leak, the fluid would escape only upon applying the brakes, so that a twice-
yearly inspection of a single-pot would reveal a lowered fluid level---which, by then, would probably have
drained a dualie's resevoir.
Wooda/cooulda/shoulda...Halloween was last month.
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Hey, Chevy truck fans .... what years did Chev put the quad headlights on their trucks as
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Track racing on Saturday and drag racing on Sunday.
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What is that No 43 (the old one)? Part 59 Plym, some 59 Des'' and something else? Note the 60 Plym paint outs on the front. Awesome looking FL race car, that's for sure.
Oh yeah. And the 61 Val leading the charge down the strip is sick. Nice!
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Beep-beep! Beep-beep! .... His horn went beep-beep-beep!
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Nice Photos.
What is that No 43 (the old one)? Part 59 Plym, some 59 Des'' and something else? Note the 60 Plym paint outs on the front. Awesome looking FL race car, that's for sure.
That is an export '59 DeSoto. They used Firesweep front clips on Plymouth bodies.
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Location: Dunnellon, FL | Had to post this one pulling the wheel at the recent nostalgia super stock meet:
Ran best ever 12.33 @ 108mph. |
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Location: Perth Australia | They are good times
I had a 1970 fairlane (very slightly played with) street car that did flat 14s
I did this about 20 times in one day, we had a club day at the strip, so you could just line up and go for it.
Nearly caught the bug, started thinking about what to do to make it faster
I now have a new desktop pic
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil!
Posts: 19146
Location: bishop, ca |
Bought five issues of Hot Rod, at Hot August Nights.
Here's some eye candy from the 10/57 issue:
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil!
Posts: 19146
Location: bishop, ca |
Here's some photos, from the 1960 Daytona Beach clam bake, with some good views of
the Pettys' hardtops.
BTW, the Dodge Boy, there is Jim Whitman, driving Dick Stanley's car.
Jim started in 41st (out of 68 qualifiers) and DNF'ed on lap 116 (out of 200) from "Engine"
failure; he/Dick got $700.00 for their efforts.
The two Pettys took home $10,100.00 !!!!!!!!
The winner, Junior Johnson, received $19,600.00 and second place Bobby Johns received $8,600.00
Both Johnson and Johns were driving 1959 Generic Motors curs; a Chubster and a Poncho dis-
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil!
Posts: 19146
Location: bishop, ca |
And, not to overlook our FWDLK little-buddies (as much "Forwardlooking", as the 61-62
CHRY/IMP's were "not" FWDLK'ers).....here's the 60 Valiants kicking ass at Daytona.
In typical manner, whenever a MoPar engine/design does well in competition, the RULES get
changed so that the Lesser-Two brands can compete with them.
If a Curvfair would have dominated this race, the compact car division would have been
expanded.
Same thing occurred with Kiekaefer's cars, and would happen again with the 426 Hemi
engine (which, strangely enough, you always see being painted in its OEM colors).
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Location: DFW, TX | Fifth Annual National Championship Jalopy Races
On the Historic Half-mile Racetrack at the Kansas State Fairgrounds
Hutchinson, Kansas - Sunday, July 30, 1961
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil!
Posts: 19146
Location: bishop, ca | Dean Van Lines, and friendly rear ends...
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| Pro-Touring count as racin'? |
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Location: Dalveen, Queensland, Australia | Neil, that De Soto would have had a lap or two behind it before it posed its posterior for that photo...
Someone sent me some pics the other day. They were in the new Mike Argetsinger/Bill Green book about Watkins Glen, there's no Chrysler product showing in the photos from the '57 NASCAR race there, but there's a wagon in the background of a shot of a '64 Dodge in the '64 race. |
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