Re: 727 mopar/amc

[Bill Watson <chrycoman@xxxxxxxxx>]

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Not sure who was the very first, but the T-35 was definitely right up
there.  Chrysler's first was the A904 in 1960, which was also the
first TF with a park sprag, at least on the version for the Valiant.
The BW with push buttons had a park sprag right from the start in
1957, by the way, with two cables.

As to the 904 and the T-35, not sure what was changed to fit which.
The torque converter had to fit onto the crankshaft and the
bellhousing had to bolt onto the back of the engine.  Probably cheaper
to modify the transmission parts.

As to the Rambler and AMC nameplates, the AMC first appeared on the
1966 Ambassador and Marlin followed by the Rebel.  The very last car
to have a "Rambler" nameplate, at least in North America, was the 1969
Rambler American.

The very last car built with the AMC nameplate was the 4WD 1988 AMC
Eagle in December, 1987, at the Brampton, Ontario, plant.  Which
should not be confused with the 1988 Eagle Premier built at Bramalea,
Ontario, and introduced when the AMC Eagle was laid to rest.  Thus the
last 2,014 AMC cars were built by Chrysler.

The last car built by American Motors was in July 1987, at the end of
the 1987 model year run.   Chrysler took control of AMC at the end of
July, 1987.  The last American Motors car, sort of, out of the Kenosha
plant was the Renault Alliance.  The Kenosha built L and M bodied cars
for Chrysler through 1989-90.   My 1988 Plymouth Caravelle Salon was
built at Kenosha on August 28, 1987.

Bill
Toronto, ON


On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Ollie <satellite1965@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Bill,
> Very interesting post. Learned allot.
> I am on the correct track put I did pass out some incorrect info in my post.
> I called my Borg Warner a M-35 and you are correct it is a T-35. I have been
> told that the easiest way to identify is check for the aluminum case. Was
> this the only aluminum case in the era?
> Another question for ya...will a 904 bolt up in place of the T-35?
> Another question...Can you fill in the years? What was the last year that
> AMC made a car? I know that my 1966 was the last year that they used the
> word Rambler on them. I know the car line was dropped before Chrysler bought
> out the Jeep line. What year was that?
> I hope I am not straying to far from our 62-65 mopar site rules here but it
> sure is neat rodder stuff.
> Ollie
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Watson" <chrycoman@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 12:01 AM
> Subject: Re: 727 mopar/amc
>
>
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> I am using gmail which seems to be losing a few emails.  I cannot find
> the email(s) prior to this one so I have no idea what went on before.
>
> Anyway, AMC never built their own automatics.  The same held true for
> Studebaker, Hudson, Nash. Kaiser, and Willys, while Ford was late to
> the game.
>
> Only three auto manufacturers built their own automatics - General
> Motors (Hydramatic 1940. Dynaflow 1948, Powerglide 1950), Packard
> (Ultramatic 1949) and Chrysler (Powerflite 1953, Torqueflite 1956).
> The only other manufacturer of automatic transmissions was Borg-Warner
> (Detroit Gear for Studebaker 1950, Warner Gear for Ford 1951).
>
> The 1951 Fordomatic and Mercomatic was used by Studebaker from 1956
> and AMC from 1957.   This transmission was a 3-speed with Low (1st
> gear) and Drive (2nd-3rd).  The 1957-62 AMC and 1957-58 Mercury
> versions had push button controls.  The 1960 2-speed Fordomatic is not
> the same transmission as the earlier 3-speed Fordomatic.
>
> B-W came out with an aluminum case, the T-35, that was used by Ford,
> AMC, Studebaker and a variety of British 4-cylinder models.  This
> version had 1st gear start in Drive.  Another variation had 1-2-D on
> the gear selector, again used by the same three companies.  Studebaker
> stopped using B-W automatics when they stopped building cars in 1966
> and AMC switched to Chrysler for 1972 using both the 904 and 727
> Torqueflite units.
>
> To my knowledge, AMC never used Ford-built units.
>
> So, if you have a 1972-88 AMC with automatic you have a Torqueflite
> unit behind the engine, with 1957-71 models using B-W units.  The
> 1955-56 models with Packard V8 engines used Packard's Ultramatic while
> all other models used GM's Hydramatic.  The new issue of Hemmings has
> an article on the 1956 Hudson Hornet Special and the author claims the
> car has a B-W automatic.  Looking at the shift quadrant with its
> choice of FOUR gears, the car actually has Hydramatic.
>
> Bill
> Toronto, ON
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Ollie <satellite1965@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>
>> William,
>> AMC used Chrysler 727's, complete units, most common, next most common C-4
>> Ford, least common was Borg Warner. Mine has a Borg Warner M-35. Wish it was
>> a 727. They never built there own. At least in the 60-70's that I am
>> familiar with. And I might add, having fun learning more each day
>> Ollie
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>

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