RE: Butch's 64 Sport Fury 383-Radiator-cooling system

[Ron Crossley <rcrossley@xxxxxxxxx>]

Now if I could just get my '63 cooled off. The problem is that it's almost totally original and I've done everything I can that doesn't detract from the originality short of a custom radiator with original tanks. Way more than I want to spend. But then isn't everything?

> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> From: satellite1965@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Butch's 64 Sport Fury 383-Radiator-cooling system
> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 11:59:14 -0500
> 
> 
> Ron,
> Same here exactly. Now the 3 row cross flow time.
> Ollie
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ron Crossley" <rcrossley@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Mopar list" <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 11:39 AM
> Subject: RE: Butch's 64 Sport Fury 383-Radiator-cooling system
> 
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Butch -
> >
> > As you may recall I had the same problem with my '64 SF w/440. I tried 
> > everything, shroud, 7 blade fan, hi perf water pump, quick reacting 
> > thermostat, Water Wetter with distilled water, and the list goes on. I 
> > finally got the car to run cool by replacing the 4 row radiator with an 
> > aluminum cross flow. Ran at the right temp then. Of course then I sold the 
> > car. Go figure.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > '63 Plymouth Sport Fury  383/727
> >
> >> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> >> From: waedison@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: Butch's 64 Sport Fury 383-Radiator-cooling system
> >> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 09:00:25 -0700
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm going to post notes about 3 or 4 things I've been working on to get 
> >> this
> >> car ready for Hot August Nights. You can learn some from my mistakes...
> >>
> >> Cooling system: The car overheated,seriously. It had an electric fan on 
> >> it,
> >> but that barely kept the temps manageable in the typical 70 degree 
> >> weather
> >> we see in Puget Sound in the summertime. I had a new S-383 in 64, drove 
> >> it
> >> in Nevada for 3 years with no overheating, so know that Ma Mopar had
> >> originally designed a reliable cooling system. My solution? Cool Cruising
> >> water pump, restoration fan shroud and fan from Mancine, air dam 
> >> replacement
> >> as it was missing, new hood to radiator seal. The radiator looked the 
> >> same
> >> to me as one I have in another 64 SF, so I took the car to a local 
> >> radiator
> >> shop for cleaning thinking that was the problem.
> >>
> >> $$cha-ching...radiator shop says the system's pretty clean, no thermostat 
> >> in
> >> the car so they put one in. Also, the lower rad fitting is crooked, needs 
> >> to
> >> be straightened if I want to use the reproduction hoses and spring clamps 
> >> I
> >> provided. I think "hmmm, maybe it got smacked sometime in it's past, so
> >> okay, let's do that."  $$ cha-ching.  I get the car back, drive it home, 
> >> and
> >> it's overheating even worse! So, I'm thinking water pump may be going 
> >> bad.
> >> Get the new hi-perf Cool Cruising water pump ($$ cha-ching), Mancini fan
> >> shroud and clutch fan ($$ cha-ching), used air dam ( you know..$$$). I 
> >> start
> >> putting it all together and think, "Well maybe the cores in the radiator 
> >> are
> >> actually clogged. Back to the radiator shop and they say, no need, it's
> >> clean, but it seems like a 2-core rad isn't right for a big block Mopar.
> >> ARGGGGHHHH....WRONG RADIATOR! So, I'm now running out of time. What to 
> >> do?
> >> Radiator shop...." Well, we can put in a high efficiency 3-core in that 
> >> rad,
> >> the top and bottom stay the same, that should do it. You can hear the 
> >> cash
> >> register from where you sit $$$$$$$ CHA-CHING !!!!  I say go ahead, or 
> >> this
> >> car isn't going to be cruising Virginia Street in Reno....
> >>
> >> Get the radiator back, guess what? Now the Mancini resto stuff won't fit!
> >> Again, wrong radiator, by about 1/4" The fan shroud will fit on my other 
> >> SF,
> >> so I know the Mancini kit is right.
> >>
> >>
> >> Good news: The car runs cool, right where it should 190 degrees. It will 
> >> go
> >> on the trailer Tuesday for its ride to Reno. Why not drive the car there? 
> >> No
> >> A/C, no cruise control, etc.
> >>
> >> Bad news: I now own a Mancini resto kit that is no use to me unless I buy 
> >> a
> >> correct radiator, which will then leave me with a very nice, one-off, 
> >> high
> >> priced 3-core rad that is not correct to the car, but cools like a dream.
> >>
> >> Question you may ask if you're not asleep by now... why didn't you just 
> >> swap
> >> the rad, fan, and shroud off your other SF? Answer only makes sense to 
> >> me.
> >> That car runs VERY COOL with a big 440 in it. This winter, it's going to
> >> receive a very correct 426 Max Wedge that Dan Dvorak is building for it. 
> >> I
> >> don't want to screw with something that works AND until I started to put 
> >> the
> >> Mancini kit on my car, did not know I had an incorrect rad in terms of 
> >> size.
> >> Thought all along it would accept those parts.
> >>
> >> So...... I may still get the correct rad for the 383 and try to sell one 
> >> of
> >> you a VERY nice 3-core rad, OR I may just try to sell one of you a brand 
> >> new
> >> Mancini after market fan shroud and clutch fan.
> >>
> >> More to come...torqueflite...and exhaust systems...both were adventures..
> >>
> >> Biggest lessons learned.... I should have started WAY earlier on these
> >> things. I could have made better and cheaper decisions but the clock was
> >> ticking by the time I got around to taking things apart.
> >>
> >> /Butch/Ferndale, WA
> >>
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