got them to work. the drivers side had to dimple tube for cylinder #1 hitting the nut on top of steering box and for cylinder #3 middle hitting steering box case. since it falls ahead of the steering a normal 90 elbow off of it to muffler. the passenger side shortened up the collector added double 45 to it and it clears the steering and oil filter. need to add another 45 and send it to the muffler. pic Chuck from the poly group is a short 90 on the passengers side too tight for me looks hard to change filter. everyone does what seems to work for them 64 polara 4dr poly ---- Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! 1962 to 1965 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines: http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html and http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/general_disclaimer.html.