RE: Top end response

[Rich Kinsley <rlkinsley@xxxxxxxxx>]

Been there, got one :-) I certainly will use it when I get it together 
again.

Rich Kinsley '64 Dodge Polara 4dr 318poly w/goodies
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Jim Altemose wrote:
> 
> Most of you guys have forgotten far more than I'll ever know, but
> maybe this $60 dual carb equalizer from Dvorak might help.
> 
> http://www.dvorakmachine.com/carb_sync.shtml
> 
> - Jim
> Jim Altemose, Long Island, NY
> '63 Polara 500 (Max Wedge)
> '63 Polara 500 (383)
> '65 Belvedere I (Street Wedge)
> '71 Bronco
> 
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Rich Kinsley <rlkinsley@xxxxxxxxx> 
> wrote:
> >
> > I do have a pressure gauge but have found them to be very inaccurate. I
> > have tried about 4 now and it seems as they warm from the engine heat
> > they begin to read lower. Install a cool gauge where a warm one was
> > reading 4lbs and the cool one will read 6lbs. Flaky. So I set my
> > regulator cold and disregard the gauge after it's warm. I know that big
> > Holley blue pump is forcing plenty of fuel to the carbs. Now they just
> > have to accept it.
> >
> > Rich Kinsley '64 Dodge Polara 4dr 318poly w/goodies
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> > 
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> > Herb wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Let us know what the outcome is with the larger seats?? =C2=A0They seem 
> >> =
> to be
> >> the
> >> only thing left to try in your fuel system. =C2=A0That should make a
> >> difference
> >> on fuel flow. =C2=A0What is your fuel pressure at the end of the track?
> >> =EF=BB=BF =EF=BB=BF =EF=BB=BF =EF=BB=BF =EF=BB=BF =EF=BB=BF =EF=BB=BF =
> =EF=BB=BF =EF=BB=BF =EF=BB=BF
> >> =C2=A0Herb
> >>
> >> 1956 Plymouth Belvedere 361
> >> 1959 Coronet 326 Poly
> >> 1963 Fury 2D/HT 6.1
> >> 1963 Sport Fury Convertible 361
> >> 1970 Challenger RT 440 - 4 Sale
> >> 1999 Durango SLT 5.9
> >> 2008 SRT-8 Magnum 6.1
> >> St. Louis, MO.
> >>
> >> http://1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/mmo42009.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -------Original Message-------
> >>
> >> From: Rich Kinsley
> >> Date: 3/11/2010 10:28:03 PM
> >> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: RE: Top end response
> >>
> >> I'm pretty confident about my set-up as it was done by Gary P. It's all
> >> his stuff. The springs were for the cam, etc.. I've done the valve
> >> adjust a million times, almost, and it's to specs. I really think it's a
> >> fuel deficiency. I'll know when I put in the larger needle and seats and
> >> take it out to the track.
> >>
> >> Rich Kinsley '64 Dodge Polara 4dr 318poly w/goodies
> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
> >> 
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> >> Herb wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > No, not necessarily floating them but more binding or just becoming
> >> > unstable
> >> > =C2=A0 What kind of seat pressure do you have? =C2=A0Are you using bee=
> hive or
> >> > =C2=A0 standard
> >> > springs, do they match the lift of your cam? =C2=A0To tight of an adju=
> stment
> >> > on
> >> > your valve lash. =C2=A0Unfortunately several things could be going wro=
> ng.
> >> > Are
> >> > all your components matching from same manufacture or mix & match?
> >> > Unfortunately it is a tough subject to diagnose over the web.
> >> >
> >> > =C3=AF=C2=BB=C2=BF =C3=AF=C2=BB=C2=BF =C3=AF=C2=BB=C2=BF =C3=AF=C2=BB=
> =C2=BF =C3=AF=C2=BB=C2=BF =C3=AF=C2=BB=C2=BF =C3=AF=C2=BB=C2=BF 
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> =BB=C2=BF =C3=AF=C2=BB=C2=BF =C3=AF=C2=BB=C2=BF
> >> > =C2=A0Herb
> >> >
> >> > 1956 Plymouth Belvedere 361
> >> > 1959 Coronet 326 Poly
> >> > 1963 Fury 2D/HT 6.1
> >> > 1963 Sport Fury Convertible 361
> >> > 1970 Challenger RT 440 - 4 Sale
> >> > 1999 Durango SLT 5.9
> >> > 2008 SRT-8 Magnum 6.1
> >> > St. Louis, MO.
> >> >
> >> > http://1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/mmo42009.html
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -------Original Message-------
> >> >
> >> > From: Rich Kinsley
> >> > Date: 3/11/2010 8:50:14 PM
> >> > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> >> > Subject: RE: Top end response
> >> >
> >> > Do you mean as in floating the valves? I've done that on other engines
> >> > before and this is not like that. It feels more like when a fuel pump
> >> > fails and only allows a small amount of fuel to flow. I had a truck th=
> at
> >> > had that issue and I could run it but it'd only do max of 25mph, perio=
> d.
> >> >
> >> > Rich Kinsley '64 Dodge Polara 4dr 318poly w/goodies
> >> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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> >> > Herb wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Kind of sounds like a valve train problem to me.
> >> > >
> >> > > =C3=83=C2=AF=C3=82=C2=BB=C3=82=C2=BF =C3=83=C2=AF=C3=82=C2=BB=C3=82=
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> >> > > =C2=A0Herb
> >> > >
> >> > > 1956 Plymouth Belvedere 361
> >> > > 1959 Coronet 326 Poly
> >> > > 1963 Fury 2D/HT 6.1
> >> > > 1963 Sport Fury Convertible 361
> >> > > 1970 Challenger RT 440 - 4 Sale
> >> > > 1999 Durango SLT 5.9
> >> > > 2008 SRT-8 Magnum 6.1
> >> > > St. Louis, MO.
> >> > >
> >> > > http://1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/mmo42009.html
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > -------Original Message-------
> >> > >
> >> > > From: Rich Kinsley
> >> > > Date: 3/11/2010 8:39:34 PM
> >> > > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> >> > > Subject: RE: Top end response
> >> > >
> >> > > I have a pair of Eddy 500cfm with all choke mech removed. It doesn't
> >> > > exactly "nose over" in that it doesn't lose acceleration but it just
> >> > > climbs very slowly from that point comparatively. It doesn'tmatter
> >> > > whether I'm in 2nd or 3rd the speed is the same. I'm hitting around =
> the
> >> > > 6000 mark when in 2nd at the end of the 1/8th. I find it's better to
> >> > > leave it in 2nd and avoid the extra shift. I have tried shifting it =
> =C2=A0at
> >> > > lower rpm's 5200-5500 but it doesn't run as well as at the 6000 rpm'=
> s.
> >> > > It does kinda feel like a governor which makes me think it needs mor=
> e
> >> > > fuel supply.
> >> > >
> >> > > Rich Kinsley '64 Dodge Polara 4dr 318poly w/goodies
> >> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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> >> > > Steve Charette wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Rich,
> >> > > > Refresh my memory, which carbs are you running?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > If I'm understanding what you are saying the car feels like it
> >> > > > "noses over" or stops pulling when it gets around 70mph? =C2=A0Rou=
> ghly what
> >> > > > RPM?
> >> > > > And I'm assuming high gear?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Thanks,
> >> > > > SC
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > From: Rich Kinsley [mailto:rlkinsley@xxxxxxxxx]
> >> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 1:04 PM
> >> > > > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> >> > > > Subject: Top end response
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I have been thinking about my top end performance. I have improved
> >> leaps
> >> > > > and
> >> > > > bounds in my ET's but my top-end is frozen around 70mph in the 1/8=
> th.
> >> It
> >> > > > almost feels like a governor. I'm thinking I may have fuel deliver=
> y
> >> > > > issues
> >> > > > at sustained WOT. I know I have plenty of fuel available with my n=
> ew
> >> > > > 3/8's
> >> > > > lines and the macho Holley blue 110gph electric pump.
> >> > > > So I'm thinking that since the carbs are bumped up rich a couple
> >> stages
> >> > > > maybe I should put in the larger needle and seats and high perf ac=
> cel
> >> > > > pumps.
> >> > > > I may be lacking in flow capacity at sustained top-end. The accel
> >> pumps
> >> > > > have
> >> > > > larger nozzles currently but I feel it may need more volume also f=
> or
> >> the
> >> > > > initial launch. I've ordered the Edelbrock #1980 needle/seat assy
> >> ($11ea
> >> > > > local) and the #1982 Hi-perf accel pump plunger assy ($14ea local)=
> . I
> >> ll
> >> > > > try
> >> > > > that out this season and see if it's the key to the top-end.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I was kinda wondering before if my Engine Dynamics 9&1/2" 3000 sta=
> ll
> >> > > > converter was slipping. In retrospect I think fuel delivery is mor=
> e
> >> > > > likely.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > What are your thoughts?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Rich Kinsley '64 Dodge Polara 4dr 318poly w/goodies
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > ----
> >> > > > Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person=
>  --
> >> > > > directly to that person. =C2=A0I.e., send parts/car transactions a=
> nd
> >> > > > negotiations
> >> > > > as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient,=
>  not
> >> > > > to
> >> > > > the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your priv=
> acy,
> >> > > > reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal t=
> o
> >> > > > Mopar
> >> > > > topic. =C2=A0Thanks!
> >> > > >
> >> > > > 1962 to 1965 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines:
> >> > > > http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html and
> >> > > > http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/general_disclaimer.html.
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Rich Kinsley '64 Dodge Polara 4dr 318poly w/goodies
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ----
> >> > > Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -=
> -
> >> > > directly to that person. =C2=A0I.e., send parts/car transactions and
> >> > > negotiations
> >> > > as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, n=
> ot
> >> > > to
> >> > > the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privac=
> y,
> >> > > reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to
> >> > > Mopar
> >> > > topic. =C2=A0Thanks!
> >> > >
> >> > > 1962 to 1965 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines:
> >> > > http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html and http://www
> >> > > 1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/general_disclaimer.html.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Rich Kinsley '64 Dodge Polara 4dr 318poly w/goodies
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----
> >> > Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person --
> >> > directly to that person. =C2=A0I.e., send parts/car transactions and
> >> > negotiations
> >> > as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not
> >> > to
> >> > the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privacy,
> >> > reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to
> >> > Mopar
> >> > topic. =C2=A0Thanks!
> >> >
> >> > 1962 to 1965 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines:
> >> > http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html and http://www
> >> > 1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/general_disclaimer.html.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Rich Kinsley '64 Dodge Polara 4dr 318poly w/goodies
> >>
> >>
> >> ----
> >> Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person --
> >> directly to that person. =C2=A0I.e., send parts/car transactions and
> >> negotiations
> >> as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not
> >> to
> >> the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privacy,
> >> reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to
> >> Mopar
> >> topic. =C2=A0Thanks!
> >>
> >> 1962 to 1965 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines:
> >> http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html and http://www
> >> 1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/general_disclaimer.html.
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > Rich Kinsley '64 Dodge Polara 4dr 318poly w/goodies
> >
> >
> > ----
> > Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- 
> > dir=
> ectly to that person. =C2=A0I.e., send parts/car transactions and 
> negotiati=
> ons as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, 
> not =
> to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your 
> privacy, r=
> educe the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar 
> to=
> pic. =C2=A0Thanks!
> >
> > 1962 to 1965 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines:
> > http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html and 
> > http://www.1962to1=
> 965mopar.ornocar.com/general_disclaimer.html.
> >
> >



Rich Kinsley '64 Dodge Polara 4dr 318poly w/goodies


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Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- directly to that person.  I.e., send parts/car transactions and negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar topic.  Thanks!

1962 to 1965 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines:
http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html and http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/general_disclaimer.html.