RE: vinyl dye spray

[62pluckedchicken@xxxxxxxxx]

wow.. don't know what to say.. I used 3 cans (@ $9 a can)for all door 
panels (changing blue to white), it shines very much like the original 
vinyl... so far I haven't had the kind of problems you describe.. it's 
only been on few weeks, so only time will tell on the durablity
John Hammond wrote:
> 
> When I used SEM stuff in the past I have used every recommended 
> additional 
> product listed on the can and even the
> additional adhesion pronoters suggested by the paint distributor.  I 
> really 
> don't like the stuff at all for a number of reasons.
> One you mentioned, lots and lots of coats to achieve coverage or 
> change...hard to not put on too much at this point. 2. Harder
> plastics like a kick panel will not withstand any abrasions without 
> scratching down to the original molded color. 3. Expensive, it
> took 13 cans to change a red headliner to white, (granted an extreme 
> change), in a '63 Bel I had.  I'd have been better off
> doing a new headliner - but it was in good condition just the wrong 
> color. 
> Into the project and it's funding I wasn't gonna pay
> for it twice. I think at the time the stuff was 11-12 a can. 4. Lack of 
> adhesion, on a vinyl seat, let's just say your pants will match
> your interior perfectly. 5. Way too flat, most new interiors of our 
> vintage 
> will exhibit a little sheen, most SEM stuff I've used has
> been as satin as late-model Euro leathers. If it isn't the first week or 
> so, 
> just give it a little more time. 6. This was a really big one
> and relates to reason 2 - difficult to clean/maintain.  Since it doesn't 
> 
> have much durability, cleaning anything previously sprayed
> many times resulted in touching it up as well.  Thinking the hype on the 
> can 
> was just there to sell more useless product after a few
> different trials on various cars; I decided to try something different.  
> I 
> wiped everything down with acetone and went straight to
> color.  This helped with adhesion to some degree but not a lot and the 
> rest 
> of the problems remained.. Seemingly the only folks
> I've ever seen get somewhat satisfactory results with the product (in my 
> 25+ 
> years of being a dealer), were the guys that had it
> mixed off a color code and applied it via spraying equipment.  I think 
> this 
> is largely due to stronger solvents and higher pressures
> used - than are available in aerosol format.  Never tried that method 
> myself, I never liked the stuff much in small quantities to
> start buying in bulk. In a nutshell, I feel like I've given the stuff  
> more 
> than its due time in court and never was pleased with the
> overall results.
> 
> John Hammond
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <62pluckedchicken@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:29 PM
> Subject: RE: vinyl dye spray
> 
> 
> >
> > Sounds like Meltonian is the way to go..
> >
> > but I wonder if your problems with SEM was painting too thick.. I got
> > very good results with very light coats, applied 10 minutes apart.
> >
> > I applied white over blue and it took about 8 to 10 light coats.. and
> > you have to be sure to use either "Sand Free" or "Adhesion Promoter"
> > before the color. it softens the vinyl and allows the color to bond with
> > the vinyl.
> >
> > John Hammond wrote:
> >>
> >> If you are looking to go with black, without question... Meltonian
> >> Nu-Life
> >> color spray.  Used mostly for leather shoes
> >> and available from shoe repair shops or EBAY -  the stuff is awesome!!
> >> Look
> >> for buys on the larger 12-14 oz cans since
> >> the small 4.5oz would be cost prohibitive.  Gloss is just right and the
> >> durability and touch-up cabaibility is second to none!!
> >> I never had any luck with SEM products on anything but a headliner and
> >> even
> >> then only if you really layed it on thick. The
> >> Meltonian stuff covers well and sticks like nothing else I've ever seen
> >> of
> >> this type of product.  It does come in a large number
> >> of colors but whether or not the're available in large size I don't
> >> know.
> >> One other item I've had good success with is (Believe
> >> it or not),  is Krylon Fusion.  This has less use potential due to
> >> avaialble
> >> color and gloss choices but if one works for ya it's
> >> basically a better, (and less expensive), product than any of the the
> >> so-called vinyl-dyes out there.  The guy that turned me
> >> on to the Meltonian stuff said he had used it on the grip of a Buick
> >> Grand
> >> National wheel that was in a daily driven car. Two
> >> years later it still looked like the day it was sprayed.  I really
> >> doubted
> >> this until I tried the stuff...I think now the claim is pro-
> >> bably a fact.  As an extra note the sprays from Dupli-Color aren't too
> >> bad
> >> (better than SEM in my book), but I wouldn't
> >> use anything other than the Meltonian if I could get what I needed in
> >> their
> >> line.  As far as prep goes, clean with a good upholstry
> >> cleaner, allow to thoroughly dry, wipe down with a solvent of some sort,
> >>
> >> (rubbing alchol works well), blow off any towel lint
> >> with compressed air and give it a go. You just want to make sure that
> >> ALL
> >> traces of silicones (armor-all type products) are
> >> removed especially in the pleats and seamed areas.
> >>
> >> John Hammond
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Wayne Huseby" <wchuseby@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 10:57 AM
> >> Subject: vinyl dye spray
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I am replacing the black bucket seat covers with replcements from
> >> > Legendary but will be using the vinyl dye spray for the rear seat. Does
> >> > anyone have a recommendation on a good source for the spray and if the
> >> > spray should be gloss, semi-gloss, satin or what to match the new front
> >> > covers?
> >> > What have your experiences been with the product and is it really
> >> > necessary to use there preparation spray rather than a really good
> >> > cleaning? I'm not trying to cut corners on the prepping just if a good
> >> > cleaning is all that is required prior to spraying.
> >> > thanks in advance.
> >> >
> >> > Wayne Huseby
> >> > 64 polara 500
> > 
> 


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