Fixed! There was no power going into the B2 plug at the headlight switch coming from the brake switch. Found a loose connection between the fuse box and the brake switch was the problem. It was odd because I had power at both sides of the fuse. I flipped the fusebox over and had no power coming out the back side to the actual wire going to the brake light switch. I tightened the terminal end and cleaned the fuse side and then I had power. Thanks to all the folks who replied! Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan McCormack" <mcwheels@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 8:09:53 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: headlight switch grounded? Mark I had to think about your problem overnight and this morning the light came on (pun intended) and I think I know what your problem is. The dash lights have a separate fuse that comes after the headlight switch but they also get their power from the taillight/brake light fuse which comes before the headlight switch. There should be 2 sources of 12 volt power going to the headlight switch. I think one is marked B1 on the switch and the other is marked B2. One of those is just for the incoming power to the headlights and the other one is for the incoming power to the taillights, parking lights, dash lights and in some cases the brake lights. I suspect the reason that your lights are working when you jump the switch is because you're jumping it to the headlight power and not the taillight power which in your case is probably dead. Go back to the fuse box and check the fuse that's marked taillights or brake lights. There should be power to both sides of that fuse at all times. If there's only power to one side the fuse is bad. If there's no power to either side then you have a problem with the wire supplying power to the fuse box, might be in the bulkhead connector. If you have power to both sides of the fuse then check to see if you have power to both the B1 and B2 leads going to the headlight switch. They both should have power even with the key off. Hope this helps, Dan Btw on a side note if anybody would like to have their parking lights stay on with the headlights like the new cars it's a simple fix. Take the parking light wire out of the harness going to the the headlight switch and splice it into the taillight wire. ----- Original Message ----- From: <chymar01@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:23 PM Subject: Re: headlight switch grounded? Brake lights also run through the headlight switch. I've been over the wiring diagrams a hundred times bu now. Printed circuit board is OK. If I run a jumper from power across the switch(es) to where the dash lights and parking lights get power they work fine. Same with the brake lights. I just can't see FIVE different switches all being bad. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herb" <zephyr9900@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 9:46:26 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: headlight switch grounded? NO, it doesn't have to be installed. Dash & interior lights could or probably will be a problem with the dimmer portion of the switch. Turn the knob back and forth to see if lights work or blink. Brake lights run through the turn signal switch that is usually were that problem is. Also check the printed circuit board on the back of your instrument panel for thin sections burned open. Herb 1956 Plymouth Belvedere 361 1959 Coronet 326 Poly 1963 Fury 2D/HT 6.1 1963 Sport Fury Convertible 361 1970 Challenger RT 440 1999 Durango SLT 5.9 2006 300-C Heritage 5.7 2008 SRT-8 Magnum 6.1 St. Louis, MO. http://1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/mmo42009.html -------Original Message------- From: chymar01@xxxxxxxxxxx Date: 5/10/2009 8:10:22 PM To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: headlight switch grounded? Hey all, I'm in the process of fixing the melted wiring in my 64 Polara. Does the headlight switch have to be grounded(to the dash I guess) to work properly? I've tried several switches and I have no dash, interior or brake lights. This is with the switch plugged into the harness but not mounted to the dash Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- directly to that person. 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