RE: Replacement Radiator Question

["Dennis C." <dennis.2914@xxxxxxxxx>]

Don,
Thanks for the info on the pulley, I am out of town now but when I get 
back to Yuma I'll check my 64 Plymouth Poly, if it is smaller I'll 
change them, as you said, simple and quick to check.

Dennis

Don Dulmage wrote:
> 
> Well since Ollie has his gun trained on my I am a bit shy about 
> answering. I 
> have been right where you are  with my car overheating at traffic lights 
> if 
> I got say three reds in sucession. I have been the rad route and fooled 
> around with all that stuff trying to to solve it . then i sat down a few 
> 
> years ago and thought it out. My car Does NOT overheat when moving. It 
> overheated when sitting still. What is different? It was in gear and 
> idling. 
> I knew in fact if I put it in eutral at the lights and kept it running 
> at a 
> bit faster clip I could get buy but that is hardly practicle and get old 
> 
> fast. So i reasoned if I could speed up the pump and thefan I could 
> solve 
> the problem . I set out looking for a smaller pully. I did not like some 
> 
> look to see what wouldnt work and was the same size I looked for one 
> that 
> was smaller. I found it on a Poley 318(313 Can) The cure was immediate. 
> I 
> caculated the fan speed increase from the pulley change. i have 
> forgotten 
> the figure by now but it was significant. (Several hundred RPM)  Bills 
> was 
> no differnt and unlike me he had everything in his car yet it stilll got 
> hot 
> in traffic. I told him waht to do and like many others he had a hunf 
> dred 
> reasons why it would work which included the rad guy said and so and so 
> at 
> such and such says. I who am very short on patience (That trait comes 
> with 
> the square head) did not answer. i just went to the vinatage wreckers 
> bught 
> a pulley andtook it to Bills and installed it.  That was 4 years ago 
> now. I 
> have driven mine now over 30000 miles. You can not believe or try or po 
> po 
> the idea but what would it hurt to try it. Find a WP pulley that fts 
> that is 
> at least 1/2 inch smaller and install it. What if it works? You dont 
> even 
> have to tell me. Remeber I am not selling parts or motors . I have 
> nothing 
> to gain. I am only trying to help based on 40 years of professional 
> experience as a Mech machinist. I understand the 105 to 115 f is 
> extreme. it 
> is possible that is not easy as here I wouldnt deny that. I dnt now what 
> my 
> core count is but I do know doing the rad did NOT fix it. It was $450 
> shot 
> for nothing. Perhaps some of you know that feeling. By the way the 
> poster wh 
> mentioned drilling a small hole in the flat part of the stat is also 
> right 
> on. Tis a very good idea and will lower the temp soe as well as 
> eliminate 
> the air lock problems. Anyway. this has n been muy experience for what 
> it is 
> worth. I worked inthe tradee when these cars were common and the rad guy 
> was 
> right, Mopar overheating was not normal back then. Don
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dennis C." <dennis.2914@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 10:48 PM
> Subject: RE: Replacement Radiator Question
> 
> 
> >
> > Don,
> >
> > I am sure that under normal conditions you are absolutely correct
> > however here is my story:
> >
> > I found a reproduction fan shroud however it did not fit due the the
> > location of the side straps in relation to the tanks.  When it was
> > re-cored the tanks were set too far back.  I went looking for a radiator
> > shop to move the straps, here is my story so far:
> >
> > I am in Yuma Arizona where in the summer there are nights when it does
> > not get down to 100 degrees, normal temperature during the summer is 110
> > to 118 degrees.  I could park the car in the summer like some of you
> > guys do during the winter but I still want to drive it.
> >
> > I went to an old guy in a radiator shop in Yuma and told him my 63 SF
> > was over heating -
> >
> > He said old Mopars don't over heat, I must have the wrong thermostat, he
> > looked and found an old unit that looks exactly like the Milodon one
> > that is sold today.
> >
> > I told him I had a high flow thermostat -
> >
> > He said my timing was off.
> >
> > I told him the timing was correct -
> >
> > Finally he went out and looked at the radiator and told me I had the
> > wrong core.  I only had 10 fins per inch and asked who did the re-core.
> >
> > I told him it was done in Arkansas where my brother and I built the car
> > -
> >
> > He said the radiator was my problem, it would work in Arkansas but not
> > in Arizona. He also said a shroud would not help but he did relocate the
> > side straps so I could mount the shroud.
> >
> > He was right, it did not help and probably hurt.
> >
> > I would be interested in knowing the fin count on your radiator however
> > I have spent too much time and money and I am ready to be done with the
> > problem.  I want to be able to drive through Yuma when it is 115 degrees
> > out and be able to stop at a light.
> >
> > As a final note, I have extremely enjoyed all of your comments, your
> > experience is priceless.  I have a file with just your email comments.
> >
> > Dennis C.
> >
> >
> > Don Dulmage wrote:
> >>
> >> I read all these cooling deals. I have fixed many with a simple pulley
> >> change. It gets over ninety here in Canada quite often (was 82
> >> yeasterday)and occasionally we d see 100F. Still car runs fine as do the
> >>
> >> ones I fixed. I think the tech must still be around on site. it works
> >> and
> >> costs a lot less that several rads doubleyoked mikawaky pumps and
> >> nuclear
> >> thermostats. I know , it is too simple. Cant help that. It works
> >> Don
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Rich Kinsley" <rlkinsley@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <dennis.2914@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> Cc: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 9:53 AM
> >> Subject: RE: Replacement Radiator Question
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I too have gone through about 3 semi-stock radiators in a quest to
> >> > actually cool the beast. Finally I found an aluminum crossflow radiator
> >> > from Summit with a trans cooler. I did have to take it to my radiator
> >> > shop to have the lower neck repositioned. I also added a drain pitcock
> >> > which it did not have. Even with all this work I only have about $330
> >> > total in it including a 16lb cap from Summit. I can't say how well it
> >> > will work yet as I'm not quite done. It certainly looks like I have 
> >> > more
> >> > cooling area. I did have to fab some supports but you could just have
> >> > the radiator shop install it for you. I doubt it would cost over $200
> >> > for that install.  There was a small issue with the horns too as they
> >> > were too close and I had to reshape the brackets for clearance. My
> >> > custom battery box also had to be notched but it missed my battery OK.
> >> > All in all it wasn't that hard to do and it looks very nice. I found
> >> > some hoses that fit OK after some searching. I used a Gates 21673 on 
> >> > the
> >> > top and a NAPA flex hose #FM-44 on the bottom. This may not be the same
> >> > for hoses in your case as mine is a poly. I am getting a high volume
> >> > t-stat too as I think that may have also been an issue with my high 
> >> > flow
> >> > pump. I'll send you some pictures seperate. I did send some to Gary H 
> >> > to
> >> > add to my list pictures.
> >> >
> >> > I totally understand your dilema. Good luck, it is doable.
> >> > Rich Kinsley '64 Dodge Polara 4dr 318poly w/goodies
> >> > =====================================================================
> >> > Dennis C. wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I have given up on my stock radiator.  I had it recored but the new 
> >> >> core
> >> >>
> >> >> only has 10 fins/inch and is not able to do the job in my 63 SF with a
> >> >> 383.  It is doing ok now but I live in Yuma Az. and the weather is 
> >> >> just
> >> >> starting to get warm.
> >> >>
> >> >> I did a search on the Internet and came up with:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.usradiator.com/default.htm
> >> >>
> >> >> I talked to them and although none are listed on their site they do 
> >> >> make
> >> >>
> >> >> one for my car.
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't have the time or skills to adapt a rediator, I want a direct
> >> >> replacement unit.  I've given up on trying to keep the stock look.  I
> >> >> would be interested in knowing other choices that some of you may have
> >> >> had good experience with.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks
> >> >> Dennis C.
> >> >>
> >> >> 1996 Dodge Ram 3500 Van Conversion
> >> >> 1964 Plymouth Belvedere 318 Auto
> >> >> 1963 Plymouth Sport Fury 383 4-speed
> >> >> 1949 Dodge Pickup 289/C4 soon to be changed
> >> >> 1998 Honda Valkyrie Standard
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Rich Kinsley '64 Dodge Polara 4dr 318poly w/goodies
> >> >
> >> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > 1996 Dodge Ram 3500 Van Conversion
> > 1964 Plymouth Belvedere 318 Auto
> > 1963 Plymouth Sport Fury 383 4-speed
> > 1949 Dodge Pickup 289/C4 soon to be changed
> > 1998 Honda Valkyrie Standard
> >
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> 



1996 Dodge Ram 3500 Van Conversion
1964 Plymouth Belvedere 318 Auto
1963 Plymouth Sport Fury 383 4-speed
1949 Dodge Pickup 289/C4 soon to be changed
1998 Honda Valkyrie Standard


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