ok, thanks, no dont worry i dont plan on powershifting a mazda or even synchro shifting it habitually, i was just messing around with it the other day and was amazed i could get it to do it without grinding. One more quaestion i forgot to ask last time though. What is a CRASHBOX-?? isn't that a racing tranny with no synchros and straight cut teeth?? neal zimmerman, eugene oregon