And do not forget that they were scared to install engines bigger than 400 inches. That lasted till 1969. Enough sd. It is still an option package for the GTO goat. It is not a serial numbered car in the beginning so they did have to build a whole new car. Cheap way out for GM. Why, I remember when I made a mistake and bought a 55 Chevy in 1964 and when I was about to change the oil, wala, no filter. So much for caring if I could put a lot of miles on that thing. And, oh, by the way, I owned 4 cheebies, a couple Pontiacs and now I know why I only buy Mopars. I experienced them. I did not just wake up one day thinking I do not want anymore GMC's. Got a Mechanic Coming. joe machado -----Original Message----- From: Don Dulmage <big-d@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 5:37 am Subject: GTO?????????? The GTO was the first muscle car? Bull. Like the old Wendys commercial Where's the B______?! Muscle car? What muscle "Where's the muscle!?" Darn things wouldn't pull the skin off a grape. Enuf already. Back in the day when a GTO pulled to the line we went for hotdogs and a coke. Seemed like we could be back to our seat before they finished their run. zzzz,zzzzzzzzzz,zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz,zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. If an approx '3300 pound car with aluminum front end and a 13.5 to one engine with 2 fours on a crossram and cast headers Like MAX WEDE 63/64 Mopar isnt a muscle car something is wrong with the yard stick. I have had the conversation in person with GTO owners too. They get pretty quiet when you open the hood on a Max Wedge . They dont park near me any morea cruise nights but hide in their corner like a bunch of Beagles at a Rottweiler convention. I know GM invented everything, i hear it all the time. If we had left it to them we would still have wooden body frames , mechanical brakes , cast iron pistons , generators and splash oiling. They used to be called stovebolts because that is how they were made it seemed. They even had to bring in Russian guy to show them how to make an engine. I believe his name was Zora Duntov. Dont get me going. I love this stuff and i havent even started yet. When I hear all the claims from the GM folks i think of an joke that appeared in a magazine once.(Mechanix Illustrated) It said the USA found a wire connected between two trees atttached to a a battery with a key on both ends and claimed the invention of the telegraph . The Russians searched and searched and couldnt find any wires so they claim the invention of the Wireless or radio. So it is with the Gm crowd. The lack of evidence does not concern them. Couse you have to forgive them. they are obviously cerebally handicapped or they would be driving that stuff. :>))))))))))))) DOnDulmaGE Author of Return to Deutschland (True Adventure) Old Reliable (Mopar) http://altonapublicschool.faithweb.com/ http://seniordragster.bravehost.com/index.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! '62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines: http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html. ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! '62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines: http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html.