So, you are talking about the "phenomenon". I don't recall Chrysler saying that they invented the "phenomenon". So, you are talking apples and oranges here.
If you don't call a factory engine with 13.5 to one compression ratio having the "foresight and the guts to take the risk", then you are obviosly lost in GM fanboy land...
I would point out that unless ALL of the brands participated, it would never have been a "phenomenon". I would never state that Chrysler started the "phenomenon" but I would say that they had the first "muscle car". A car with muscle, a.k.a a high power-to-weight ratio.
Saying that Chrysler would have never produced another muscle car without the success of the GTO is simply not true. They were doing it before and they had plans in place to continue.
Jason Jim Ozolins wrote:
Yes, the word "precursor" is very important there. I won't argue that these high-powered cars weren't "muscular," but theseprecursors did not kick off the Muscle Car phenomenon of the 60's. That's what I'm using as a definition of a Muscle Car. Not just power to weight ratio.That's where I have to call B.S. when Chrysler claims to have invented the musclecar. Chrysler, Ford, and the rest of GM had to catch up to Pontiac after the introduction of the GTO. Only Pontiac had the foresight and the guts to take the risk, and once it proved popular, and profitable, did the others climb on board.Jim O. (I invented the Pepperoni Pizza.)From: Dan McCormack <mcwheels@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Reply-To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: New Chrysler Corp. commercial Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:48:57 +0000From the Wikipedia Encyclopedia. Notice the last sentence:The Studebaker Golden Hawk was a two-door pillarless hardtop coupe type car produced by the Studebaker Corporation of South Bend, Indiana between 1956 and 1958. The Golden Hawk took the basic shape of the 1953-on Champion/Commander Starliner hardtop coupe but added a large, almost vertical eggcrate grille and raised hoodline in place of the earlier car's swooping, pointed nose, as well as a raised trunklid and befinned rear quarters. That grille and raised hood were to take a larger engine, Packard's big 352 in³ (5.8 L) V8 at 275 bhp (205 kW). This big, powerful engine in such a light car gave the Golden Hawk a phenomenal power-to-weight ratio (and thus performance) for the time; of 1956 American production cars, the Golden Hawk was second only to Chrysler's 300 B by that measure - and the expensive Chrysler was a road-legal NASCAR racing car. The Golden Hawk can be considered, like the Chryslers, a precursor to the muscle cars of the 1960s Jim Ozolins wrote: > > Crap! I didn't know the '64 GTO was a Chrysler! > I was interested by that commercial, too. > > Did they take credit for inventing the internet, as well? > > Jim Ozolins > '64 Valiant ----Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks!'62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines: http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html._________________________________________________________________Booking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN Travel. http://travel.msn.com/Articles/aboutfarecast.aspx&ocid=T001MSN25A07001----Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks!'62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines:http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html.
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