If you are looking at a 1964 Belvedere, it cannot be a 4-door hardtop. The last Belvedere 4-door hardtop was built in 1959 and all 1960-64 Plymouth 4-door hardtops were Fury models. So, if you roll the windows down and there is no post between the front and rear door window openings, you have a 4-door hardtop. If there is a post from roof to floor between the doors, you have a 4-door sedan. If your VIN starts with "224" or "324", you have a Belvedere and thus it cannot be a 4-door hardtop. If your VIN starts with "234" ot "334", you have a Fury model, which could be a 4-door hardtop. Chrysler built 13,714 Fury 4-door hardtops in 1964 - but zero Belvedere 4-door hardtops. So if you have a 4-door hardtop with a VIN starting at "224" or "324", it's not real. Bill Vancouver, BC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:06:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Harold \(Dooner\) Funderburk" <funderburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Hardtop?#2 OK, I know now that there is no way to tell if the car is a true Belvedere 4dr hardtop by the VIN number. Is there any other way to tell? Does anyone have an opinion on this? I think the 4dr hardtops are cool, but I would hate to buy a car that the VIN was changed or it isn't what it says. Can anyone point me to a good resource to find out? Where are these books that evryone keeps talking about, that has production info and other useful info? Seems to me that all the knowledge in this group of guys, there would be some "BUY IT, IT's RARE" or "STAY AWAY, IT's FAKE". What do ya say guys? Harold (Dooner) Funderburk ---- Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! '62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines: http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html. This email was sent to: arc.6265@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx bSONJP. Or send an email to: 1962to1965mopars-unsubscribe@