Re: Fish held hostage by lawmen

[Bill Watson <wwatson5@xxxxxxxxx>]

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Little bit late in getting back on this, but the pre-1966 VIN plate was not
attached with rivets.  Some say thay were attached by spot welds. but on
Windsor-built cars thay appear to be glued on.  Chrysler did make Cycleweld
metal bonding materials, remember.

On the cars I have seen, the plate appears to have been attached by stamping
holes through the plate and the door post at the same time.  This can be
confirmed as the plate fits correctly only one way. If you turn the plate
180º, it will not fit properly due to the hole stamping.

Also check the back on the plate.  On my 1965 Valiant and my friend's 1964
Valiant (both Canadian built) there appeared ti be some dried substance on
the back, much like a glue.  My LA-built Lancer also appears to be glued on
and does not appear to have spot welds.   Some mental midget did drill an
extra hole, though, to thread a speaker wire from the front kick panel area
into the driver's door.

As for the different stamping techniques on the plate, the authorities
should check every 1960 to 1965 US-built Mopar car they can.  They were all
made that way,

And that was due to Chrysler using the Shipping Order Number to track the
car from the initial receipt of the order to the point the car rolled off
the assemby line.  You will find the SON on the data tag, body (which also
had model year and assembly plant digits), and broadcast sheet, but you will
not find the VIN on the data tag, body (although some say it is there) or
broadcast sheet,  The build record has both numbers as the card was produced
after the car was shipped from the assembly plant (it has "Date Shipped" on
it and it is kind of hard to know on October 1 the car was shipped two weeks
later).

The VIN plates were produced by machine (the raised numbers) which had model
year, assembly plant and sequential production number.  As the car rolled to
the end of the line, a line worked would grab a plate and punch the first
two digits into the plate - the car line/engine and series/body type digits.
Thus the hand stamped first two digits.

Bill
Vancouver, BC


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary H." <62to65mopar@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:35 PM
Subject: Fish held hostage by lawmen


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I'm trying to help a gentleman who's 1964 Barracuda has gotten impounded
under false assumptions.

Can anyone provide some sources that

1) prove 1964 Mopar vin plates were not held on by rivets but by another
method and

2) prove that the data plates used both stamped and pressed pressed in
letters and numbers.

Thanks,
Gary H.

Details of the Barracuda behind bars are below:


> Wyoming law requires that VIN numbers from out of state require
> verification by a police officer prior to title transfer.  I pulled
> my car down to the police station to get the VIN confirmed and they
> impounded it because there were no rivets affixing the serial number
> plate to the door post.  The police have an instruction manual for
> how to confirm a serial number.  One of the requirements is that
> "rivets are intact".  Well, I don't think 1964 Barracudas had
> rivets.  I think they all have two holes and two tiny spot welds
> holding the VIN plate to the car.

>  The police also have a problem with the fact that the first V4 are
> stamped into the plate and the rest are pressed in.  They also
> checked with some national law enforcement organization that
> specializes in car VIN numbers.  The folks in that
> office aren't aware of anything without rivets or stamped numbers
> either. (But then they also report that all vehicles require a
> minimum of 17 characters in a VIN)

> The police have run the serial number and found that it is a clear
> number but they don't believe that it is proper for my car.  I also
> own another '64 Barracuda that has no rivets and has the V4 stamped
> but they won't use it as an example to clear my new project. (They
> almost wanted to impound it!

> Any help you could provide would be greatly appreciated....

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