[AD removed for archives] ------------------------------------------------------------------- Are you serious about buying a NEW car or truck soon? Research before stepping on the car lot and save THOUSANDS! Get NO OBLIGATION price quotes from car dealers in your area. caacOlPb7yoMza/LeadClick ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave, I understand what your saying. But here is the real deal the way I see it. If someone is a crook, then they are going to do a clone and try to rip someone off. If they are a good crook, and do a great clone then they will have the gumption to find all the correct information on how to rip someone off like a pro. Now lets use one of our past list members and a good friend of mine as an example. Richard Leff. He had one of the most perfect 62 Max Wedge clones you would ever see. It was perfect in every detail. He even won best clone at the last Spring Fling. Richard had over 60K in the car, and he NEVER once represented the car as anything but a clone. Not even in a casual conversation with someone walking by. He was a honest man. I don't think access to information will make an honest man a crook. Will it make a bad crook a better crook? Maybe. But there are only a hand full of fabricators capeable of duplicating a perfect clone, and none of those I know would ever do it with the idea of mis-representing a car. I saw a 990 clone at Vegas that was fantast last year, it even had an H code tag. I ask the guy if it was a factory car. He instantly stated it was not, he said that Moser had built it for him for over a hundred grand. Another honest man. So what do you do? I don't know. But I think the more correct information that is available the better. If everyone has the info and uses it to protect themselves, the as a group I think we are better off. It will deter more crooks than it will make I believe. I don't think there is a perfect answer. Ain't life grand? Earl Doug, You make excellent points.All valid.It's the "old boy" network at it's finest.I merely threw out a random dollar figure as to what my friend John paid for the manual.It could've been free,or $1000.I don't know where or when he got it.But he's a longtime Mopar restorer.We know Steve Atwell and Dick Landy have one,so who knows them well enough to bug the crap out of them? And, do you think they'd sell you a copy just to have it plastered on the 'net? Doubt it. As far as fake maxie cars go,suppose you compile a manual that consists of all the TBs(I don't have any) for Max Wedge cars.All the little MW intricacies are now in one book,available for anyone to build a fake.If these were $10K cars,there'd be no problem.But, they're not.They're $60k and up restored.That's the problem with Cudas,there's too much incentive to rip somebody off these days for the big payday.IMO,there are many more "real" Maxie cars out there today than were ever built. [AD removed for archives] ------------------------------------------------------------------- Amazing Diet Patch The fastest - Easiest way to lose weight! Try it now FREE! caacOlIbV1hOjf/MyDietPatches ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! '62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines: http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html. [AD removed for archives] ------------------------------------------------------------------- Amazing Diet Patch The fastest - Easiest way to lose weight! Try it now FREE! caacOlIb7yoMzf/MyDietPatches ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! '62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines: http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html. b7yoMz.