To argue semantics, success doesn't mean to be better than someone else, it means to attain a desired object or end. To succeed doesn't necessarily imply that someone else fails... I think your analogy implies victimization. I certainly don't feel like a victim. If your car is complete and mine is not, you are a success. But am I a failure? Or am I a success in the making? Are you standing on my shoulders? I think it's wrong to form an opinion of someone or something simply on the basis of one anecdote. A man should be judged by the body of his work, not one perceived transgression... John -----Original Message----- From: georlrs@xxxxxxx [mailto:georlrs@xxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 2:38 PM To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Galen Govier - A Story you probably haven't heard I agree it would be business suicide to do some of the things mentioned, and he should have a chance to answer these allegations. I also know that the majority of very successful people have gotten there by standing on the shoulders, if not carcasses of others, not all, but many. Such is the nature of success. Success by it's very meaning is to do better than others, thus others must be beneath the successful correct? He should once again, have a chance to defend these allegations, or at the very least, tell his side of the story. Does anyone know how to contact him, and does this groups forum even warrant his attention? What do you all think? Don -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! '62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines: http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html. ---- Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! '62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines: http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html. b7yoMz.