I have no idea if they were all manual brake cars or not. The engine
compartment pictures of the eBay Polara show it to be manual brake
though. Your parts manual should help there too, or maybe a
Hollander interchange guide, or even the dealer book that listed the
options (would tell you if manual trans precluded power brakes).
I'm quite happy with the Master Power booster, but it wasn't a
direct drop in. I had to modify the linkage to get the pedal height
correct. Still only took an evening though.
Dave Casey
Dave,
You're helping me already. Are you saying that there were
two types of clutch pedal sets or were they ALL for manual
brake cars? I too have factory power brakes and would like to
keep them. I sold my '65 Custom 880 with manual brakes, so I
can't farm off of it anymore. My original intent was to create
a "factory clone" of a 4 speed car, but I'm always saying crap
like that. In reality, I'd like to have this all together and
working in the next year while not breaking the bank!
Sorry to the others following here. I think I am starting
to venture off-topic. I'll start a new thread with any
continuation.
Dan Bendixon
1965 Dodge
Monaco
From: "Dave Casey"
<dcasey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 10:42:40 PM
Subject: Re: Wanted: '65 C-body 4 spd. console shifter
I converted in 2004, so it's been nine. I'm happy to oblige as
a consultant, though I'm sure a lot of my parts are incorrect
(especially the ones I had to make).
Before you do the swap, you might benefit from my biggest
lesson learned: my car had factory power brakes, but the 4-spd
pedals were for manual brakes and I didn't realize this until
I had everything apart. I eventually used a booster from
Master Power to go back to power brakes, but drove it with
manual for a good while.
I've never dug in the parts manual either, so please let me
know what you find. I can tell you from other pictures of that
eBay car that it was originally blue and had been repainted
black so there's no guarantee that handle was original either.
The console automatic shifter was certainly comfortable to
drive and in perfect reach. I was a bit sad to be rid of it -
it operated so smoothly.
Dave Casey
Hey Dave! It's probably been 10 years since I
chatted with you on here (I took an extended leave). I
remember you doing the 4 speed conversion on your Polara.
I guess I should mention that I wouldn't bet the
farm on my pics being 100% accurate. The first
picture is from a '65 Monaco that traded hands a few
times online in the last 10 years. It is supposed to be
the only documented '65 Monaco w/ a 426 and a 4 speed.
Maybe I put too much faith in that claim by assuming its
shifter is correct. I'll dig out the 1965 parts book and
try to get to the bottom of this (should have done that
in the first place).
It certainly doesn't seem that they had ergonomics in
mind with the shifter shape or location.... but I just
gotta have one!!!
I'm going to bother you for some detail pictures of
the various 4 speed assemblies on your car when I get
closer.
Thanks,
Dan Bendixon
1965 Dodge Monaco
From: "Dave Casey" <dcasey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 9:12:48 PM
Subject: Re: Wanted: '65 C-body 4 spd. console
shifter
I'm inclined to disagree with those pictures. The first
one looks like the non-console version made to fit, the
second looks correct. Here's a picture from a '65 Polara
426/4spd project car that was on eBay 14 years ago
today.
My brother and I each sourced used handles for our
conversions. He found his first and did his '65
Belvedere and ended up having to modify the handle
(either the shifter bracket was wrong or he actually had
a C-body handle).
I did my '65 Polara years later and had to modify as
well (either I have the wrong shift bracket, or I
actually had a B-body handle). The placement in mine is
still less than ideal (have to sit up straight to reach
it).
Dave Casey
Hi Mark,
This is the best view I can
find online of the correct C-body piece:
The next picture shows a
B-body shifter (although installed in a C-body
here):
Thanks,
Dan
From: chymar01@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 1:48:56 AM
Subject: Re: Wanted: '65 C-body 4 spd.
console shifter
I have a couple console shifters, but no idea
what they fit. What does it look like?
Mark
From: "mopardan65" <dbendixon@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 2:08:46
AM
Subject: Wanted: '65 C-body 4 spd.
console shifter
Hi everyone,
I've been planning to convert/ clone my '65
Monaco to a 4 speed car for years and have
most of the hard parts collected... even the
extremely rare torque shaft (z-bar).
What I lack is the uniquely curved Hurst
lever for use with a floor console, which was
a unique part for C-bodies. I know a B-body
Hurst shifter will work if it has to. The
originals are made of a material that many of
us are quite familiar with... "UNobtanium",
which is something like the 114th element or
so :)
Not enough demand for Hurst to re-pop them
I guess. Anyone got one laying around in their
stockpile?
Dan Bendixon
1965 Dodge Monaco
1988 Dodge Dakota
1973 Dodge Dart Sport
2004 Chrysler 300m Sp.Ed.
"I find the thing that runs best in a Chevy
is usually its owner's mouth"
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