Re: Disc brakes and front brakes on the rear?... a couple questions (repost)

[Scott Hinojos <lightsplicer@xxxxxxxxx>]

Exactly! I was always less interested in what would happen to me and
my car than what would happen if I ran into someone.

I think it might. Another piece to the puzzle.

Thanks, Eric!
~S~

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 11:16 PM, Eric Sturgis <ericsturgis@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> My favorite experience with a 1962 Newport was driving in heavy rain, and
> standing water up the mountain.  The rain changed to frozen rain, sleet and
> then snow.  I had to hit the brakes, much to my surprise the peddle was hard
> and high, the car didn't want to stop.  But I felt it break the ice, and I
> stopped the car.  Only to drive a few more blocks to have my right front
> wheel stop turning from the ice inside.  It's hard to steer and stop with
> one wheel frozen solid.  It did start to spin again and free up when I got
> off of the snow and ice and headed down the mountain.  But it was fun....but
> once was enough.
>
> I am putting on a 1976 Dodge Dart Master Cly (they come in 4 wheel drum and
> front disk/rear drum) set up.  I will have to use a proportioning valve so I
> don't skid out of control when I don't want to.  I will will use the
> Disk/drum MC for my car.  Remember I'm working on a full size 1962 Chrysler
> Newport.  I don't have power brakes so I will have little to have to modify
> or change.
>
> I hope that helps.
>
> Eric
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Scott Hinojos <lightsplicer@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>>
>> I agree that larger rears probably aren't needed, since they don't do
>> much braking. It was just something I was kicking around, since the
>> parts would be free, and I'd be tossing them or giving them away
>> anyway ...and I *do* love a free upgrade...
>>
>> I want discs because this is my daily driver for now, and it will see
>> many miles. Also, I feel they are easier to maintain and somewhat
>> safer. I've also had some sketchy experiences with drums (different
>> car), like driving in torrential rains and hitting a puddle, then
>> finding out that one of the brakes is water-logged and won't grab.
>> That makes for a quick, unexpected lane change when you step on the
>> brakes, if you're not really on top of things.
>>
>> Living these days in Wisconsin, steep hills and twisty roads aren't
>> what one would call common, but I am a believer in discs for any car.
>> But like you said, the drums work well, and I'll even add that they've
>> worked well for nearly half a century now.
>>
>> OK, so you've talked me out of discs for now. Any idea what I should
>> be looking for in a dual master cylinder? :)
>>
>> Thank you!
>> ~S~
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:00 PM, Ray Bell <raybell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> > They certainly will be different front to rear...
>> >
>> > I don't know where my earlier message went to, but I posted about the
>> > lack of need to put bigger brakes on the rear, the rear brakes only do
>> > about 25% of the braking at the most. I suggested that the best idea
>> > would be to get some 11" x 2½" rears (common on pickups) and fit them,
>> > and that you'd probably need to have a limiting valve in the rear
>> > line, if not smaller cylinders in the rear.
>> >
>> > Front brakes will not readily adapt to rear because of the need for
>> > precisely located holes for the e-brake lever points and the
>> > difference in the shape of the lower part of the shoes. Way too much
>> > work for nothing.
>> >
>> > Now... why do you want discs anyway?
>> >
>> > If the car's just being used for normal driving, a well set up set of
>> > the best drums you can get (11" x 3" fronts) will do a good job of
>> > pulling up the car. They will heat up quicker than discs, but that
>> > only leads to fade problems after several hard stops in a short period
>> > of time. Like descending a mountain with lots of hairpin bends.
>> >
>> > Ray
>> >
>> > On Jun 29, 10:29 am, Scott Hinojos <lightspli...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> I read somewhere (don't ask where, I don't know - lol ) that the
>> >> brakes were different front to back. They must have been thinking of
>> >> the Newport, which, according to the service manual, has narrower rear
>> >> brakes. Another thing that bolstered my belief that the brakes were of
>> >> a different size is that the front shoes are $10 more than the rears.
>> >> Could it be that they are indeed different in some way, or are the
>> >> companies like Auto Zone just confused? From the way the manual looks,
>> >> the shoes are essentially the same. Any opinions on that?
>> >>
>> >> So, does anyone have an opinion on what WILL fit my car,
>> >> disc-brake-wise? Six hundred bucks for a kit is too rich for my blood
>> >> right now, considering all the other stuff I have to get done on the
>> >> car, like the windshield and the weatherstrip... and paint... and
>> >> cleaning up the surface rust... lol
>> >>
>> >> Thanks!
>> >> ~S~
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 8:40 AM,  <Dodger7...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> > I think that you are right, I missed the C body part,,,,
>> >>
>> >> > In a message dated 6/28/2011 8:17:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
>> >> > 62to65mo...@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
>> >>
>> >> > Hum, the parts he mentioned in paragraph one are I think for a B body
>> >> > swap
>> >> > though. His 1964 Chrysler does not apply to those, does it?
>> >>
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