I agree on get the key out, even if you destroy it, just save the crank,,,,,,,, I have used dykes on the keys before with good luck, just clamp down on them and pry up,,,,, as far as the dot's go I always put them in with both at their closest position to each other (crank gear up, cam gear down) a few years ago we went through the discussion with this topic, and it was decided that it did not matter if the cam dot was up or down, that the engine would be in time with itself, and that the only thing would be if the distributor was 180 out or not,,,,,,, -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! 1962 to 1965 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines: http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html and http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/general_disclaimer.html.