RE: MP Electronic Ignition - Ballast - Final

[Rich Kinsley <rlkinsley@xxxxxxxxx>]

I gotta admit you really put your heart and soul into this research. 
Good job. Now I wonder what we learned? I have deleted mine. Hmmm?

Rich Kinsley  '64 Dodge Polara 4dr 318poly w/goodies
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Dennis C. wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Sorry for the last message, I made the mistake of answering with the 
> wrong email program.
> 
> I did call Mopar Performance but did not do very well.  The guy I talked 
> 
> to gave almost no information and sounded like he was just reading out 
> of a catalog.  
> 
> According to him for street use we should be using a 1 ohm ballast 
> resistor.  The 1/4 ohm resistors are only used for racing.  He would not 
> 
> comment on street/strip use of the performance coils and 1/4 ohm 
> resistors.  Personally I would use the Chrome box and Blaster coil with 
> a 1/4 ohm resistor.
> 
> I did ask about bypassing the ballast resistor, he said the coil would 
> overheat and the ECU could be damaged.
> 
> I asked about using other coils with the Mopar ECU, he would not comment 
> 
> on it, he just said call the manufacturer of the coil and do what they 
> say.
> 
> He ended the call my making the point that it does not matter what 
> system we use, just use the system as designed.  As an example if we 
> want to run MSD then run a MSD box and coil that is designed to work 
> with the Mopar electronic distributer or use a MSD distributer.
> 
> Mopar Performance is currently manufacturing the following boxes:
> 
> Orange box  to 6,000 rpm
> 
> Chrome box  to 8,000 rpm my understanding that this box can be used with 
> 
> the performace coils with a 1/4 ohm ballast resistor
> 
> Gold box    to 12,000 rpm this is listed as a race only box.
> 
> Here is a site that has some history on the different boxes that Mopar 
> has used:
> 
> http://www.badassmopars.com/1967coronettechElectroniccecus.htm
> 
> I checked the following coils on Summit Racing:
> 
> P4876742 Blaster black
> P4876733 Blaster chrome
> P4120889 Blaster square
> 
> All of these were listed as having 0.700 ohm primary and all required a 
> 1/4 ohm ballast resistor.
> 
> Ballast Resistors, there are only 2 resistors available:
> 
> P2444641  1/4 ohm ballast resistor.  It is listed as working with the 
> following coils:
> P3690560
> P4876832-33
> 
> P5206436  1 ohm ballast resistor for use with the Orange box and the 
> production coil or the following coil:
> 
> P4120889 ?? Summit Racing catalog lists this as needing a 1/4 ohm 
> resistor however Mopar Performance catalog on Jim's Auto Parts shows 
> this as a 1 ohm ballast coil, I suspect it requires a 1 ohm resistor but 
> 
> I have not called Mopar Performance back to verify.
> 
> http://www.jimsautoparts.com/mopar_performance_ignition.htm
> 
> The following information was found on the Mopar Action site: (if the 
> cut and paste works)
> 
> "The ballast's value is pretty much an inverse curve: as the resistance 
> decreases, the spark out goes up ("hotter" spark), RPM range also goes 
> up, and emissions and low-RPM misfire go down. Sounds like a no-brainer, 
> 
> right? Well, there's no free lunch, mate! As the resistance goes down, 
> current draw (amperage) goes up, and so does power dissipation, which is 
> 
> what makes all those good things happen. But more dissipation = higher 
> operating temps = reduced reliability. That's why the "Gold" box has an 
> extra heat radiator on the switching transistor.
> Now that the engineering lesson is over, a direct answer: around 1.0 ohm 
> 
> seems to be a good compromise. Anything less, for long-term street use, 
> either toss spare parts in the glove box, or add an extra heat radiator 
> (it's a TO-3 power transistor, see sources such as www.digi-key.com or 
> Radio Shack, etc.)"
> 
> Mopar Action had a comment on spare parts:
> "Of course, all the tools in the world won't help if you have no 
> replacement parts. As we'll see, some items can be coerced to work with 
> no parts, but, in most cases, it's gonna be out with the old, in with 
> the new. On cars with electronic ignition, a spare ECU and ballast 
> resistor are must-haves. Point-ignition cars should also have the 
> ballast, and a spare set of breaker points"
> 
> This all makes my head hurt. Based on this I think I made the right 
> choice with the Pertronix unit however I do have a stock point 
> distributor and coil in the trunk.
> 
> I am considering converting my 64 Plymouth, it has a 318, I'll probably 
> convert he distributor using Pertronix.  
> 
> My reason for using Pertronix is that I don't want to mount the ECU 
> under the hood, my cars did not come with one, I don't want to see one.  
> 
> I know they can be mounted under the dash, too much trouble.
> 
> I would appreciate any comments and corrections to this mess.
> 
> Dennis C.
> 
> 
> sky62 wrote:
> > 
> > hey Dennis, just wondering, did you get a chance to talk to anyone at  
> > MP tech support
> > about this ballast resistor dilemma? if not maybe I'll give em' a shout.
> > 
> > thanks
> > Schuyler
> > 62 Dodge Dart 440 wagon w/ Poly 318
> >   <http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/ml-wrobel62.html>
> > FYI - I Do the Decal designs for the Poly head 318 and more! email me  
> > with your needs -
> >   <sky62@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Jul 24, 2009, at 4:58 PM, Dennis C. wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > > I Hope!
> > >
> > > I may have an answer to the question about ballast resistors and Mopar
> > > Electronic Ignition upgrades with different coils.
> > >
> > > I found the following number for Mopar Performance Tech Support.  I
> > > tried calling but I was too late however I got a message that it  
> > > was the
> > > tech line:
> > >
> > > 888-528-4364
> > >
> > > The message said they are open M-F from 9:00am to 6:00pm Eastern time.
> > > I plan to call them on Monday.
> > >
> > > I hope they can tell me when and what size of ballast resistor is  
> > > needed
> > > based on the resistance of coils and what coils they recommend for  
> > > their
> > > systems.  This should not be that complicated  but it seems to be.
> > >
> > > Maybe if se can get to the bottom of this we can get it posted to help
> > > others.
> > >
> > > Dennis C.
> > >
> > > 1996 Dodge Ram 3500 Van Conversion
> > > 1964 Plymouth Belvedere 318 Auto
> > > 1963 Plymouth Sport Fury 383 4-speed
> > > 1949 Dodge Pickup 289/C4 soon to be changed
> > > 1998 Honda Valkyrie Standard
> > >
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> 
> 
> 
> 1996 Dodge Ram 3500 Van Conversion
> 1964 Plymouth Belvedere 318 Auto
> 1963 Plymouth Sport Fury 383 4-speed
> 1949 Dodge Pickup 289/C4 soon to be changed
> 1998 Honda Valkyrie Standard



Rich Kinsley '64 Dodge Polara 4dr 318poly w/goodies


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