Yes You have it. Remove the two bolts you see just below the carb on the
manifold on the piece the Choke rod F goes into. Soak them with
loosenall or
something. (NOT WD 40 , it is not for that. ) using a blunt obect and a
small hamer give the light smack straight down. thuis will offten free
a
frozen bolt and l allow the penatrating oil t penatrate.
Don
BTW I hope you keep up with the photo. They are very good and will help
others later down the road.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: <62pluckedchicken@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:26 AM
Subject: RE: Convert points to electic
>
> OK, I think I got what side I should be working on :)
> in the picture
> http://www.frappr.com/?a=viewphoto&id=5591207&pid=10953795
>
> The rod labeled "F" is the choke rod.. right?
>
> and the spring is under the round cap?
>
> quick question...if "worse came to worst", and someone pushed up on the
> rod to keep the choke closed, while some else turned the ignition, it
> would help get the car started?
>
>
>
> Don Dulmage wrote:
>>
>> Nope opposite end of the brass shaft. You can see that little round
>> cap
>> sitting on it and the rod coming up from the manifold to the brass
>> choke
>>
>> rod. Dont panic we can get this. hang in their. Don
>> Don
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <62pluckedchicken@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 12:00 AM
>> Subject: RE: Convert points to electic
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Thanks Don...
>> > I'll give it a whirl.
>> >
>> > Just to make sure I got the parts right (I told you I was ignorant)
>> >
>> > do I have the parts label correctly in this photo?
>> > http://www.frappr.com/?a=viewphoto&id=5591207&pid=10953360
>> >
>> > In case I can't get this going, has anyone in the Omaha area heard
>> > good
>> > or bad about T & M automotive?
>> >
>> >
>> > Don Dulmage wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ok it doesnt look too bad. Unhook the choke rod coming up to the
>> >> manifold
>> >> and remove the choke spring from the manifold. You wil see it is
>> >> adjustable.
>> >> lossen the nut and give it just enough more to help the choke close
>> >> a
>> >> bit
>> >> more tightly or firmly. that may be all you need. Reinstall and we
>> >> will
>> >> try
>> >> from there. Don
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: <62pluckedchicken@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:44 AM
>> >> Subject: RE: Convert points to electic
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Haven't started the car this morning
>> >> >
>> >> > Here a picture before I do anything, the car is stone cold.
>> >> > http://www.frappr.com/?a=viewphoto&id=5591207&pid=10952245
>> >> >
>> >> > Here's a picture after pushing down the gas pedal and releasing
>> >> > (no
>> >> > key,
>> >> > no attempt to crank)
>> >> > http://www.frappr.com/?a=viewphoto&id=5591207&pid=10952246
>> >> >
>> >> > It does close... good news?
>> >> >
>> >> > 62pluckedchicken@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> will do.. Thanks
>> >> >>
>> >> >> BTW the car does idle correctly.. when first started a fast
>> >> >> idle,
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> after about five minutes or when the temp gauge is a quarter up,
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> tap
>> >> >> on the gas and the idle slows
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Don Dulmage wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > So tommorow when its cold open the hood. remove the air
>> >> >> > cleaner.
>> >> >> > without
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > touching enything. go inside the car and push the preadl to
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > floor
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > release it. Now where is the choke? open or shut?
>> >> >> > don
>> >> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> > From: <62pluckedchicken@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> > To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 9:40 AM
>> >> >> > Subject: RE: Convert points to electic
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > It's a 2bbl.. I imagine the original carb.. not much has
>> >> >> > > changed
>> >> >> > > on
>> >> >> > > the
>> >> >> > > car (Stromberg ???)
>> >> >> > > Don Dulmage wrote:
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> YEs definately.
>> >> >> > >> What carb is on it?
>> >> >> > >> Don
>> >> >> > >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> > >> From: <62pluckedchicken@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> > >> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:42 PM
>> >> >> > >> Subject: RE: Convert points to electic
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > Today when I was trying to start it, after days of being
>> >> >> > >> > idle,
>> >> >> > >> > I
>> >> >> > >> > actually did put a little gas in the carb, just to see if
>> >> >> > >> > it
>> >> >> > >> > would
>> >> >> > >> > fire.. and it did. just wouldn't keep going 'cause there
>> >> >> > >> > was
>> >> >> > >> > no
>> >> >> > >> > gas
>> >> >> > >> > after what I put in the carb burned up...
>> >> >> > >> > so this is a choke problem?
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > Don Dulmage wrote:
>> >> >> > >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> It is highly unlikely that changing the ignition will
>> >> >> > >> >> change
>> >> >> > >> >> the
>> >> >> > >> >> starting.
>> >> >> > >> >> Elctronic ignitions has really only one big advantage.
>> >> >> > >> >> The
>> >> >> > >> >> points
>> >> >> > >> >> dont
>> >> >> > >> >> wear
>> >> >> > >> >> and the dwelll doesnt change with time so the engine
>> >> >> > >> >> stays
>> >> >> > >> >> in
>> >> >> > >> >> tune (or
>> >> >> > >> >> literly in time)longer , in fact timing wise excluding
>> >> >> > >> >> timing
>> >> >> > >> >> chain
>> >> >> > >> >> wear
>> >> >> > >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> indefinatley.
>> >> >> > >> >> Want to know if the choke is the problem .?squirt a
>> >> >> > >> >> little
>> >> >> > >> >> gas
>> >> >> > >> >> in
>> >> >> > >> >> the
>> >> >> > >> >> carb
>> >> >> > >> >> mouth before you start it after the next long sit. if it
>> >> >> > >> >> fires
>> >> >> > >> >> immediatley
>> >> >> > >> >> theh you know for sure thatis the problem.
>> >> >> > >> >> I spent a life time repairing chokes or so it seemed.
>> >> >> > >> >> In
>> >> >> > >> >> one
>> >> >> > >> >> dealership
>> >> >> > >> >> i
>> >> >> > >> >> felt I did at least one per day. In average it probably
>> >> >> > >> >> was.
>> >> >> > >> >> Don
>> >> >> > >> >> <mikelj@xxxxxxx>
>> >> >> > >> >> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:42 AM
>> >> >> > >> >> Subject: RE: Convert points to electic
>> >> >> > >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> > I initially had a starting problem like that with
>> >> >> > >> >> > mine.
>> >> >> > >> >> > I
>> >> >> > >> >> > did
>> >> >> > >> >> > two
>> >> >> > >> >> > things,
>> >> >> > >> >> > sprayed some Liquid Wrench on the choke linkage stuff,
>> >> >> > >> >> > and
>> >> >> > >> >> > then
>> >> >> > >> >> > read
>> >> >> > >> >> > my
>> >> >> > >> >> > owners manual about starting it! I have had too many
>> >> >> > >> >> > Fords
>> >> >> > >> >> > I
>> >> >> > >> >> > guess,
>> >> >> > >> >> > when
>> >> >> > >> >> > they are cold you pump the pedal all the way down
>> >> >> > >> >> > twice
>> >> >> > >> >> > to
>> >> >> > >> >> > start.
>> >> >> > >> >> > That
>> >> >> > >> >> > just floods the Ball and Ball 2 bbl., the manual says
>> >> >> > >> >> > to
>> >> >> > >> >> > push
>> >> >> > >> >> > the
>> >> >> > >> >> > pedal
>> >> >> > >> >> > down half way and hold it while cranking. That has
>> >> >> > >> >> > worked
>> >> >> > >> >> > like
>> >> >> > >> >> > a
>> >> >> > >> >> > charm.
>> >> >> > >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> > BTW, the #1382 Petronix unit says 383, 426, 440
>> >> >> > >> >> > engines
>> >> >> > >> >> > with
>> >> >> > >> >> > Autolite
>> >> >> > >> >> > or
>> >> >> > >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> > Prestolite distributors. Guess you need to check what
>> >> >> > >> >> > kind
>> >> >> > >> >> > of
>> >> >> > >> >> > distributor
>> >> >> > >> >> > the '62 361 2 bbl. has.
>> >> >> > >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> > Mike in New Mexico
>> >> >> > >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >> > >> >> >> From: 62pluckedchicken@xxxxxxxxx
>> >> >> > >> >> >> Subject: RE: Convert points to electic
>> >> >> > >> >> >> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 15:30:25 +0000
>> >> >> > >> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >> Thanks Mike,
>> >> >> > >> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >> I don't know if it'll fix the starting problem
>> >> >> > >> >> >> either..
>> >> >> > >> >> >> but
>> >> >> > >> >> >> I
>> >> >> > >> >> >> thought
>> >> >> > >> >> >> I
>> >> >> > >> >> >> do it anyway
>> >> >> > >> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >> weird thing about the starting problem, it'll start
>> >> >> > >> >> >> right
>> >> >> > >> >> >> up
>> >> >> > >> >> >> if
>> >> >> > >> >> >> left
>> >> >> > >> >> >> overnight.. but a couple days without running, it's a
>> >> >> > >> >> >> b***h
>> >> >> > >> >> >> to
>> >> >> > >> >> >> start..
>> >> >> > >> >> >> maybe the automatic choke?
>> >> >> > >> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >> mikelj@xxxxxxx wrote:
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > The one I got for my '64 383 2 bbl. is #1382 from
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > Petronix.
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > It
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > says
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > dual points but works for single too. You might
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > also
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > look
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > on
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > Jegs.com,
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > that is where I bought mine. They are easy to
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > install,
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > but I
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > can't
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > say
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > whether or not it will fix your morning sickness
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > problem.
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > Mike in New Mexico
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > From: 62pluckedchicken@xxxxxxxxx
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > Subject: Convert points to electic
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 15:08:03 +0000
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > I didn't know whether this would help with my
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > cold-starting
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > problem
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > (if
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > not started every day, it is like it sat for
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > months),
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > but
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > I was
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > thinking
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > of converting from points to electronic ignition.
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > Pertronix write ups say even an idiot (like me)
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > can
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > do
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > this,
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > but
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > I'm
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > confused about the kits
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > I have a '62 Newport 361 2bbl, the kits availible
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > from
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > YearOne
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > are
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > 1. Pertronix Ignitor electronic ignition fits
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > 1962-1973
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > Mopar
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > V8
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > models
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > (except 440 models with the distributor #
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > IBS4014,
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > IBP4002Z, or
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > any
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > car
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > with a single or dual-point Prestolite
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > distributor).
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > 2.Pertronix Ignitor electronic ignitions fits
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > 1959-1971
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > Mopar B
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > and
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > RB
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > V8 models with Prestolite dual-point ignition,
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > vacuum
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > advance,
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > with
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > or
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > without tachometer drive.
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > I have no idea what "Mopar B" means (b-bodies???)
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > or
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > can
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > see a
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > part
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > number on my distributor..
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > which one is correct for my car?... and can an
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > idiot
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > (me)
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > do
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > this?
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > ----
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > Please address private mail -- mail of interest
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > to
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > only
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > one
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > person --
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > transactions
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > and
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > negotiations as well as other personal messages
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > only
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > to
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > the
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > intended
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address.
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > This
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > practice
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > will
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > mail
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > and
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > fine
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > tune
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > the
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks!
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > '62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines:
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > > http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html.
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > removed]
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >> ----
>> >> >> > >> >> >> Please address private mail -- mail of interest to
>> >> >> > >> >> >> only
>> >> >> > >> >> >> one
>> >> >> > >> >> >> person --
>> >> >> > >> >> >> directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car
>> >> >> > >> >> >> transactions
>> >> >> > >> >> >> and
>> >> >> > >> >> >> negotiations as well as other personal messages only
>> >> >> > >> >> >> to
>> >> >> > >> >> >> the
>> >> >> > >> >> >> intended
>> >> >> > >> >> >> recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This
>> >> >> > >> >> >> practice
>> >> >> > >> >> >> will
>> >> >> > >> >> >> protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail
>> >> >> > >> >> >> and
>> >> >> > >> >> >> fine
>> >> >> > >> >> >> tune
>> >> >> > >> >> >> the
>> >> >> > >> >> >> content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks!
>> >> >> > >> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >> '62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines:
>> >> >> > >> >> >> http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html.
>> >> >> > >> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> > --
>> >> >> > >> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >> >> > >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> > ----
>> >> >> > >> >> > Please address private mail -- mail of interest to
>> >> >> > >> >> > only
>> >> >> > >> >> > one
>> >> >> > >> >> > person --
>> >> >> > >> >> > directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car
>> >> >> > >> >> > transactions
>> >> >> > >> >> > and
>> >> >> > >> >> > negotiations as well as other personal messages only
>> >> >> > >> >> > to
>> >> >> > >> >> > the
>> >> >> > >> >> > intended
>> >> >> > >> >> > recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This
>> >> >> > >> >> > practice
>> >> >> > >> >> > will
>> >> >> > >> >> > protect
>> >> >> > >> >> > your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine
>> >> >> > >> >> > tune
>> >> >> > >> >> > the
>> >> >> > >> >> > content
>> >> >> > >> >> > signal to Mopar topic. Thanks!
>> >> >> > >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> > '62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines:
>> >> >> > >> >> > http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html.
>> >> >> > >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > ----
>> >> >> > >> > Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only
>> >> >> > >> > one
>> >> >> > >> > person --
>> >> >> > >> > directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car
>> >> >> > >> > transactions
>> >> >> > >> > and
>> >> >> > >> > negotiations as well as other personal messages only to
>> >> >> > >> > the
>> >> >> > >> > intended
>> >> >> > >> > recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This
>> >> >> > >> > practice
>> >> >> > >> > will
>> >> >> > >> > protect
>> >> >> > >> > your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine
>> >> >> > >> > tune
>> >> >> > >> > the
>> >> >> > >> > content
>> >> >> > >> > signal to Mopar topic. Thanks!
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > '62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines:
>> >> >> > >> > http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html.
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > ----
>> >> >> > > Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one
>> >> >> > > person --
>> >> >> > > directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions
>> >> >> > > and
>> >> >> > > negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the
>> >> >> > > intended
>> >> >> > > recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This
>> >> >> > > practice
>> >> >> > > will
>> >> >> > > protect
>> >> >> > > your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune
>> >> >> > > the
>> >> >> > > content
>> >> >> > > signal to Mopar topic. Thanks!
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > '62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines:
>> >> >> > > http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ----
>> >> > Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one
>> >> > person --
>> >> > directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and
>> >> > negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the
>> >> > intended
>> >> > recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice
>> >> > will
>> >> > protect
>> >> > your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the
>> >> > content
>> >> > signal to Mopar topic. Thanks!
>> >> >
>> >> > '62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines:
>> >> > http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > ----
>> > Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one
>> > person --
>> > directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and
>> > negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended
>> > recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will
>> > protect
>> > your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the
>> > content
>> > signal to Mopar topic. Thanks!
>> >
>> > '62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines:
>> > http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html.
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
> ----
> Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person --
> directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and
> negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended
> recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will
> protect
> your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content
> signal to Mopar topic. Thanks!
>
> '62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines:
> http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html.
>
>
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