RE: Timing Problem!

[William Cole <wedge64@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Earl,
 Hey, I'm doing pretty good overall.

On the timing issue: We've done pretty much everything you mentioned.
The Mallory is brand new. Not sure about the Mallory advance post you
talked about. I'm just helping out trying to figure out what's wrong. No
vacuum advance, all mechanical. And I can't believe the timing marks are
off a tooth or it wouldn't run at all.
Problem is, we tried a brand new Mopar electronic distributor and it
does the same thing. A guy that works in a local shop and knows a lot
about Mopars was helping us also. He said that he's had a couple of
Mopar engines do the same thing and couldn't figure out what was
happening. He had one in his boat that he said was running about 60
degrees advance with a light and it ran perfect.
This motor sounds and seems to run good with it showing 50 degrees
advance with a timing light so I'm stumped as to what is causing the
problem.
Must be the Mopar gods causing it because we used a Chevy coil bracket
on the intake, I don't know.
The guy picked up his car yesterday. He's going to run it on the street
for a while and see what happens.

Bill C.
On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:18:33 -0600, "Earl H. " <earlh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
said:
> 
> Bill,
> 
> How the heck have you been?
> 
> Ok start with the basics, which I assume a man of your experience has 
> done, but just to cover all the bases. First, check TDC with the timing 
> mark and balancer. I am assuming it will be correct, but just to make 
> sure, check it.
> 
> I suspect your distributor. First thing I would do is disconnect the 
> vacuum advance if it has one. Does it? I would line it out first 
> without the vacuum advance. I don't run them on most of my 
> engines. Now to the issue. It is the classic total advance verses 
> initial advance. I am assuming that since it seems to be bouncing 
> around on total, that you might need one spring size stronger on 
> the mechanical advance, or there is something not right with the 
> total stop, or the plate in the distributor is junk. Check all of that 
> first and get the total advance to where it is stable.
> 
> Most Mallory distributors have and adjustable initial advance post. 
> The problem is that the initial is too low for the motor to run right 
> when you set the total correctly. In my mind that is always the way 
> to set the motor up, first get the total correct, then get the initial
> where
> 
> it needs to be, then work on the advance curve.
> 
> Move the initial post up until you get 10 to 12 degrees initial at idle 
> with the total set where you want it. This should get you in the ball
> park.
> 
> Earl
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Cole [mailto:wedge64@xxxxxxxxxxx] 
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 5:28 AM
> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Timing Problem!
> 
> 
> There is no outer ring. It's a solid ATI balancer.
> On Thu, 29 May 2008 09:14:01 -0700, "65" <65Val@xxxxxxxxx> said:
> > 
> > Sounds like the outside ring on the balancer has slipped. Will the engine 
> > run normally at the 50* setting, ie no ping? If so, the slipped outer
> > ring 
> > would be my guess.
> > 
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> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "William Cole" <wedge64@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 5:32 AM
> > Subject: Timing Problem!
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > Gentlemen,
> > > We have a 383 motor with Edelbrock alum. heads, alum. manifold, BG
> > > Demon carb, Mallory ignition, and a Mopar .533 cam, and an ATI dampner.
> > > When trying to time it with two different timing lights, it shows 50
> > > degrees at idle. If we try to bring it back to initial timing around 12
> > > to 14 degrees, the motor won't run. If you try to total time it at 2500,
> > > the timing marks keep advancing more. Can't figure out why we can't time
> > > it at idle or total time it.
> > > The timing marks on the crank and cam are right so what do you think is
> > > wrong and causing this? It also won't idle slower than around 1200 at
> > > idle and going into gear it stalls the motor. Checked for vacuum leaks
> > > and found none. Any ideas?
> > >
> > > Bill C.
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