Re: Trans pushbutton units
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Re: Trans pushbutton units
- From: Robert <r.lane@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:48:18 +0000 (UTC)
We have a manual that I assume is the 'factory service manual'. It's A4/foolscap
size (ish) and about 1.5" thick. It has that same photo of the trans end
of the cable adjuster as appears on the 62-65 site in your link, but without
the inset that shows the internals.
Yes, I've seen the info on the site but it looks to me to be for console
shifters. From what I can see, they're set-up using Low (1st) gear as a
starting point whereas the pb versions use Reverse.
If there is anything you can send on that would illustrate what to look for
when we drop the pan, I'm sure that will help a lot.
Robert
> ----Original Message----
> From: schuyler62@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Feb 7, 2007 5:42:24 AM
> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> Subj: Re: Trans pushbutton units
>
>
> Robert,
> do you have a factory service manual? if not, I can take pics of the
> control cable section for you. as it will help you understand
> how it all works. and unless your good with chinese puzzle boxes or
> maybe know how to do some safe cracking? (o; the FSM method
> ,with the pan on, is best left to those who have done, quite a few.
> as you try it with the pan off, it becomes much clearer, what your
> trying to do.
> and of course the group will be here to help, as they were for me
> when I did mine. I tried it the FSM way first, and could barley get
> it in reverse
> and had no forward gears, but the guys here set me straight, thanks
> guys!
> also there's some good info with pics at this link-
> <http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/transtech.html>
> hope some of this helps
> Schuyler
>
> Schuyler 62 Dodge Dart 440 wagon w/ Poly 318
> <http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/ml-wrobel62.html>
>
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2007, at 5:00 PM, Robert wrote:
>
> >
> > Schuyler
> > Thanks again. I know you suggested dropping the pan before, but
> > that was the next step that we didnt get time for. It's on the
> > cards for the next session tho!
> > We didnt get round to checking the parking cable down at the trans
> > end - just up behind the dash when refitting the unit. The
> > adjustment seemed a bit off, as I recall, so we'll have a look at
> > that again too.
> > As for the trans cable, we ended up knowing it wasnt adjusted right
> > but still confused as to how far out it was. I'd go so far as to
> > say I didn't know what gear the trans was in when I left my
> > brothers that day, after all the pushing of pushbuttons that more
> > often than not, didnt latch in. I'm hoping it will all become clear
> > once the pan is dropped. Just a shame there isnt anything in the
> > manual about the adjuster mechanism from inside the pan. Not that I
> > remember, anyway.
> > Thanks for the warning about the parking lock lever spring. Ours
> > has survived coming off then going back on, so we'll be more
> > careful next time
> > All the best
> > Robert
> > 63 Polara 500
> > England
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schuyler"
> > <schuyler62@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:52 AM
> > Subject: Re: Trans pushbutton units
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Robert, my 64 factory service manual states-
> >
> >> "The following procedures describe the gearshift
> >> control unit adjustments. If the transmission fails to
> >> shift into NEUTRAL when the parking lock is applied,
> >> inspect the parking lock lever travel in the instrument
> >> panel slot and the parking lock cable adjustment
> >> at the transmission before adjusting the control unit."
> >>
> >> there is no adjustment for the gearshift cable except at
> >> the transmission end. your adjustment might be a
> >> quarter turn, of the adjusting wheel, off? but you'll
> >> never know which way, or how much till you pull
> >> the pan and look. the gearshift cable moves very little
> >> for each position, so this adjustment needs to be as
> >> dead on as possible. It was the only way I could do it
> >> when I put the engine and trans back in my 62 wagon.
> >>
> >> the control unit at the dash very rarely needs adjusting.
> >> but if you are going to mess with it be careful with the
> >> parking lock lever spring! I've had two break on me,
> >> one on its own, the other while I was trying to remove
> >> it.
> >>
> >> hope this helps, just my humble opinion of what might
> >> be the problem.
> >>
> >> Schuyler
> >>
> >> Schuyler 62 Dodge Dart 440 wagon w/ Poly 318
> >> <http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/ml-wrobel62.html>
> >> FYI - I Do the Decal designs for the Poly head 318 and more! email
> >> me with your needs -
> >> <schuyler62@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Feb 4, 2007, at 7:35 PM, Paul Lennemann wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> This unit is an extra from a parts car. I wouln't want to try
> >>> to do it
> >>> too many times as I think the metal would fatigue. But you don't
> >>> have
> >>> to move it too far to free up the cable.
> >>>
> >>> Paul L.
> >>> '63 Sport Fury
> >>> 440/727
> >>> http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/ml-lennemann63.html
> >>>
> >>> Robert Lane wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hey Paul, thanks for braving the cold for us! No such worries
> >>>> over here;
> >>>>
> >>>> global warming's keeping the freezing temps at bay for us!
> >>>> So I guess you managed to pry open the crimped connection at
> >>>> some stage.
> >>>> Do
> >>>> you think it would close back up ok if you need to use the unit
> >>>> at some
> >>>> stage in the future? Like you mentioned earlier, I'm a bit
> >>>> sceptical as
> >>>> to
> >>>> how 'workable' the brackets is....
> >>>>
> >>>> Robert
> >>>> 63 Polara 500
> >>>> England
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Paul Lennemann" <pjlenn@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 7:51 PM
> >>>> Subject: RE: Trans pushbutton units
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I took a look at your pictures and then at my push button unit
> >>>>> and there
> >>>>> really isn't any more to see than with the pictues you've
> >>>>> posted. I
> >>>>> have both of my cables removed, the park cable by opening up
> >>>>> the clamp,
> >>>>> the shift cable by removing the bracket the cable is attached to.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Paul L.
> >>>>> '63 Sport Fury
> >>>>> 440/727
> >>>>> http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/ml-lennemann63.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Robert Lane wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Paul, thanks for the reply.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Our unit has also needed more pressure to depress the buttons
> >>>>>> than I
> >>>>>> thought
> >>>>>> it should. I've always dreaded the thought of using 1st, 2nd,
> >>>>>> & drive on
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> 1/4 - wondering how well it would cope when it's really needed!
> >>>>>> Apart from the pressure required to change gear, it didn't
> >>>>>> really play
> >>>>>> up
> >>>>>> until we got the engine & box back in the car, after the
> >>>>>> rebuild (last
> >>>>>> Sept). That's why I thought it might be more to do with
> >>>>>> adjustment down
> >>>>>> at
> >>>>>> the trans end.
> >>>>>> We haven't managed/attempted to remove the cables yet. When
> >>>>>> we saw the
> >>>>>> brackets had been bent over to retain the cables, we thought
> >>>>>> it was a
> >>>>>> previous-owner-bodge. One cable has the 'P' clip (like a hood
> >>>>>> pin, or
> >>>>>> hairpin) but the other has no clip. The spindle that it sits
> >>>>>> on has had
> >>>>>> its
> >>>>>> end flattened to stop the cable coming off. I'm sure it could
> >>>>>> be filed
> >>>>>> tho
> >>>>>> to remove the cable end. Any idea what should be holding the
> >>>>>> cable on?
> >>>>>> Another P clip?
> >>>>>> We should be able to do something with the brackets too, so
> >>>>>> will attend
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>> that next time.
> >>>>>> These are a couple of pics taken when the unit was hanging
> >>>>>> from the
> >>>>>> dash.
> >>>>>> You can just about see the cable ends & the brackets bent over.
> >>>>>> http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/rob426uk/album?.dir=/
> >>>>>> b785scd&.src=ph&.tok=phx4.OGBSPWSf43B
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Paul, when you had your unit removed, can you remember if,
> >>>>>> when you
> >>>>>> pressed
> >>>>>> the pushbutton levers, did they stay latched in when pressed?
> >>>>>> I don't
> >>>>>> remember any of our levers staying in; they all just sprang
> >>>>>> back. Just
> >>>>>> trying to get an idea what to look for to identify whether
> >>>>>> there is
> >>>>>> anything
> >>>>>> wrong with our unit, or whether it's more cable/trans.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Best Regards
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Robert
> >>>>>> 63 Polara 500
> >>>>>> England
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>> From: "Paul Lennemann" <pjlenn@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 2:40 PM
> >>>>>> Subject: RE: Trans pushbutton units
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Robert, How did the unit work before the rebuild? What
> >>>>>>> happens if you
> >>>>>>> disconnect the cable by removing the small retaining clip,
> >>>>>>> "hairpin"
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> operate the unit free of the cable? When I bought mine it
> >>>>>>> had similar
> >>>>>>> problems, when you pushed drive the previously depressed button
> >>>>>>> wouldn't
> >>>>>>> always pop out. I used some penetrating oil and compressed
> >>>>>>> air to
> >>>>>>> remove accumulated lint, dust, etc. and get it lubed up
> >>>>>>> again. This
> >>>>>>> cured the problem. Mine still takes more pressure than I
> >>>>>>> think it
> >>>>>>> should to get the buttons depressed but at least beyond that
> >>>>>>> it is
> >>>>>>> working correctly.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Paul L.
> >>>>>>> '63 Sport Fury
> >>>>>>> 440/727
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
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