RE: Engine Introduction

["Gary H." <62to65mopar@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

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Doug's right about the false impression that 440's were a 1967 item, for 
instance,  a lot of B' body fans don't recall the big 1966 Mopars with 
440 power.

I thought 400's actually appeared vehicles in 1972. Guess I'm wrong. 
I've not seen a 1971 400. What vehicles did they come in?

400's are still Rodney Dangerfield engines to a lot of people, 
unfortunately. That's good for a 400 buyer! :)

Any size big block works well in a '62 to '65 B body though.

Over the last few years I've seen this general pattern in the self serve 
pick-a-part type junkyards this-a-way:

10 years ago:
440 usually pulled but not always
383 sometimes pulled
361 never pulled
400 never pulled

5 years ago: 
440 mostly pulled 
383 mostly pulled
361 mostly left in car to crusher
400 mostly left in car to crusher

now: 
440 hardly seen at all, when seen pulled
383 hardly seen at all, when seen pulled
361 about never seen, don't know if would get pulled
400 hardly seen at all, when seen, sometimes pulled

I would assume 413 and 426 engines would usually get pulled, especially 
as we head toward current times. Certainly the hi-po versions would. 
(Reminds me of a guy I know who, in the mid 1970's, found a complete 
1964 Chrysler 300 with the cross rams and all intact in a junkyard.  He 
bought the whole car and restored it.) 

That said, there's always exceptions to big block patterns. For example, 
about 3 years ago there was a 1964 Chrysler New Yorker in a yard 'round 
here with the 4bb 413 engine. The carb was taken but otherwise the 
Chrysler was complete. The 413 was there about a year and no one pulled 
the engine, even at a less than $200 price for a long block. Go figure. 
The car and 413 hit the crusher. Pains me to think of it and I just had 
no time to mess with that car.

Gary H.


Doug Ahern wrote:
> 
> On 26 08/12/04, tduross1@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > When did the 440 engine come out?  Was is 66 of 67? And the 400?
> > I'm pondering B/RB options for 1965 and would like to be correct.
> 
> Hey Tom,
> 
> whatcha mean by "correct"?  440=1966-1978, the first hi perf. 440s 
> came in 67, I think thats why lots of folks think 67 was first 440.
> for '66, the 440 was strictly a large-barge C-body mover...  
> 400=1971-1978.   I like 400s:  still cheap, big bore.. the two 400s
> I have were given to me (in the past 2yrs, too...).
> 
> Doug


Doug Ahern wrote:
> 
> On 26 08/12/04, tduross1@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > When did the 440 engine come out?  Was is 66 of 67? And the 400?
> > I'm pondering B/RB options for 1965 and would like to be correct.
> 
> Hey Tom,
> 
> whatcha mean by "correct"?  440=1966-1978, the first hi perf. 440s 
> came in 67, I think thats why lots of folks think 67 was first 440.
> for '66, the 440 was strictly a large-barge C-body mover...  
> 400=1971-1978.   I like 400s:  still cheap, big bore.. the two 400s
> I have were given to me (in the past 2yrs, too...).
> 
> Doug

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