I've successfully removed one tie rod end from the control arm with a tie rod separator fork, but I can't get the bloody pitman arm joint to separate. I've really been pounding on the sucker. I followed someone's suggestion to load it up with penetrating oil, smack all around the ring with a hammer, invert the crown nut on the threads and then try to smack it out. I'm afraid I'm really going to damage something. I guess I could try to heat the ring, but all I've got is a propane tank I use for sweating copper joints. Will that get it hot enough? I'd really like to avoid using heat altogether... An aside: My goal is to drop the oil pan. With the driver's side free, will it be possible to swing the control arm out of the way, and thus avoid having to separate the joints on the passenger side? adTHANKSvance, Dan