Re: {Chrysler 300} Re: 15 inch tires
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Re: {Chrysler 300} Re: 15 inch tires



I accept your canning experience, but the tire world is not that simple. A Michelin, a BF Goodrich, and a Uniroyal are not generally made in the same plant. Nor are the Continental and General or the Goodyear and Dunlop or Cooper or the Bridgestone and Firestone and their subordinate brand labels, etc.

They are not made in the same molds or with the same raw materials or to the same QC levels. As an example of this, Michelin recalled BF Goodrich and Uniroyal tires in the LT235/85R16 size a few years back and replaced them with Michelins of the same size for free for nearly a year until they could identify and correct the problem in manufacture of the BF Goodrich and Uniroyal tires and get the supply chain refilled.

In the interest of economy, the lesser tires frequently have subtle differences in carcass (body) design and different raw materials including tread compounds. And often there are various sub label models within a single brand at different price / performance levels (though unfortunately less so in the 14 and 15 inch sizes). 

The exception to same plant / materials may be Cooper and its various "private" brands (before the purchase by Goodyear). Cooper made a number of very similar tires under different brand names in the same plant(s) - probably still that way?

Back in the day of most of our cars, there was a "100 level" Original Equipment line (rayon cord); a "110 level" typically nylon cord with similar tread, better tread compound, and sometimes deeper tread; and a True Premium with the longest lasting tread compound and frequently puncture sealing (BF Goodrich Lifesaver, Firestone Supreme, General Dual 90, Uniroyal Master) or with inner safety liner (Goodyear Double Eagle). Then there were at least 2, sometimes 3, "sub-100" levels down to the $10 range that you advertised in order to bring in customers but you really did not want to sell - frequently using lesser or even less materials and sometimes with lesser dimensions before there was much standardization or tolerances or control of size geometry. 

My dad refused to even stock the $10 tires because customers were never satisfied with the tread life and resistance to damage. These were analogous to many of the Chinese junk tire brands that you see online but never in your local tire store. But in the case of some online brands, you may see the same tread pattern with different sometimes evolving American sounding brand names but DOT codes indicating China. In some cases the name changes are to protect the guilty in case of a complaint or possibly those brands that have a bad reputation simply change names periodically to reset their reputation.

Strongly suggest you stay with a name you recognize and a mass production tire - there are still several in a reasonable price range - for 14 and 15 inch sizes look at Hankook, Kuhmo, Toyo, Nexen, Cooper (All those brands except Cooper have OE usage on some vehicles here). Some are still made in narrow white walls. Personally I stay away from "Specialty" low production tires and reproductions except for display purposes - partly due to price, but also these tend to be made in small batches using older technology.

On 3/10/2024 9:36 PM, 'James Douglas' via Chrysler 300 Club International wrote:

I have a set of Kinergy ST on 14-inch rims right now. I will be going to 15-inch wheels in the future. That is why I was looking around at what is available.

 

As a kid I worked for a short time in a cannery. All the cans were the same. The apple sauce itself was the same. The line would roll along and every couple of hours the label changed.

 

In the store they would have different prices. But I know it was all the same product in the can.

 

Unless one has the time and inclination to run everything down it is hard to know if you are paying for a label or a real difference on just about anything these days….

 

Thanks, James

 

 

 

 

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Subject: RE: {Chrysler 300} Re: 15 inch tires

 

Mr. Monaghan is a tire guy. I have learned to always heed advice about tires from a tire guy. 

 

Danny Plotkin 

 

 

 

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From: pmonaghan1@xxxxxxx

Date: 3/10/24 6:51 PM (GMT-05:00)

To: "Chrysler 300 List Server (chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)" <chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, James Douglas <jdd@xxxxxxxxxx>

Subject: {Chrysler 300} Re: 15 inch tires

 

Ironman is Chinese Private label tire made for American Tire Distributors.  I would not recommend them.  There are plenty of tier two and  tires that are much better in the are close to the same price range.  Tier 2: General, BFG, Hankook Yokohama, Kumho Tier One: Conti, Michelin, Bridgestone.  Don't be fooled by Goodyear.  Also I would look for an extra load tire given weight of these cars.

 


From: 'James Douglas' via Chrysler 300 Club International <chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2024 12:11 PM
To: Chrysler 300 List Server (chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) <chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: {Chrysler 300} 15 inch tires

 

Is anyone using the below tires? I would be interested in your impressions.

 

Ironman RB-12 NWS Tires 94038

Thanks, James

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