Re: {Chrysler 300} Re: Can someone do me a favor over the next few days.

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On Jan 22, 2024, at 9:21 AM, James Douglas <jdd@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Bob,

I have not gone hunting for frame sheets for 1964 300 versus the New Yorker yet. But in the Master Parts Book for 1964 they show the same part number for both sub frames.

The only two front suspension parts that I see are different in the MPB, and admittedly I did a quick look not an exhaustive one, was the torsion bars and the anchors.

The bars are longer, and I think but have yet to confirm, that the anchors are as well.

James

From: chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Bob Merritt
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Subject: Re: {Chrysler 300} Re: Can someone do me a favor over the next few days... 1963-1964 Torsion Bars

There is a video comparing

long and short wheelbase stub frames at

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAyFrL91JWE

It might answer some of these questions.

On 1/19/2024 2:18 PM, John Grady wrote:

i often wondered what was really changed factually between long and short frames 60-62 . James’ notation / discovery of possibly special rear bar sockets if confirmed answers a lot of questions. Despite two lengths of bars too .

i was trying to figure out why TTI exhaust headers ( nice stuff) are listed for 62 but not anything before that ( i wanted for an F) . They did not know , saying we never put it in an F . So went at it with tape crudely for 30 minutes . Most if not all the wheelbase change is between the front wheel centerline and the front door hinge seam ?

so to my mind even more room is in an F — but relationship of steering box to engine would be a lot different as steering box location still relates to fire wall / steering column angle . That stays the same , as you move front wheels closer to fire wall on swb ,torsion bars will move back ( a lot if same length) . Engine in same place re firewall , so is more over front wheel centerline then?

So although relationship of exhaust to block starter and transmission stays the same , other stuff moves related to all of it ?

steering box , torsion bar mounts etc but body itself including firewall / door seam must be the same , as if frame and front fenders were “ sectioned “ between firewall and rest of front of it — but then steering box would slide forward, closer to front cross member ?

crude description , I know . has anyone gotten into this ?

Related question , aftermarket “ smaller” performance steering boxes ( Borgeson) seem to have same fitment issue , confusion . No help at all there . ( by the way , F and G stock box are slightly different , (!!!) longer casting at column connection ( that got me once).

But at some point the later swb steering box involves the K frame ? anybody know about that or when it happened ? F G and back , the box bolts sideways to frame rail as we know . I call it like a Ford pickup . But later boxes seem to have a “foot” against the K frame . I assume —but do not know — J and K are like 62 ?

Admit to being out my comfort zone on this , just trying to understand header issue and steering box mounts/ changes . Thinking was ,—- if an issue , smaller box may help if header pipes want the same space , and why is 62 ok 60 not ? 60 should have more room

Tony R has K ex manifold in F , so why the special 405 ones ? or maybe those two are close , or different swb/lwb 62 to 60 , 62 being tighter ? Or J/K more compact than 405?

gets interesting .,,

J

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On Jan 19, 2024, at 9:53 AM, Bob Merritt <Bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

All Chrysler models in 1963 and 1964 had a 122" wheel base.

On 1/19/2024 9:22 AM, Cox Mail wrote:

Are New Yorkers long

Wheel base cars?

They have a totally different sub frame then

The shorter 122" sub frames.

Bob Haag

On Jan 19, 2024, at 9:16 AM, 'James Douglas' via Chrysler 300 Club International <chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Well,

Learn something new every day.

Turns out that the New Yorkers uses a different length torsion bar. Which means they used a different sub frame.

I thought the different part number in the master parts book was due to a different diameter. But it is both different in diameter and length. All the other front-end parts are the same according to the master Parts Book.

Seems odd. The New Yorker bars are 44 inches long while the Newport and 300 are 40.

I guess I will eBay them at some point as they are of little use to me.

Thanks all for the measurements.

James

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To: Jamie Hyde <jamie.hyde@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Chrysler 300 Club International <chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: {Chrysler 300} Re: Can someone do me a favor over the next few days... 1963-1964 Torsion Bars

Hi Jamie,

I am scratching my head. I will have to check the bars up at the house this weekend. I could have sworn that I measured them, and they were 44 inches long. Those bars cam out of a 1964 Chrysler New Yorker.

Is it possible that the New Yorker and the 300 used different length bars? Or was there a change to the subframe in 1964 from 1963 and the bars are longer?

I will also have to get under the 300K here in San Francisco on the cold wet concrete and see if I can get an in-car measurement.

Jamie, can you take a caliper and get me a very exacting OD on the 607 bar?

Thanks, James

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Subject: {Chrysler 300} Re: Can someone do me a favor over the next few days... 1963-1964 Torsion Bars

James , the 607 bar out of my J is 40" long.

On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 11:32:49 AM UTC-5 James Douglas wrote:

If anyone has a set of torsion bars out and accessible for a 1963-1964 Chrysler, can you measure the length and note the bar number?

I have a paperwork conundrum. I have a set that came out of a 1964 New Yorker, and I thought I measured them, and they are 44 inches long. But my paperwork here in San Francisco says that the bars for a1963 300J, and presumable the 1964 300K, are 40 inches long. Hence the conundrum.

Also, I am still hunting for a set of 606-607 bars and if anyone has a set, they will sell please let me know.

James

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