Re: {Chrysler 300} Putting a square peg in a round hole

[John Grady <jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

you are correct , it is 90, correct round bulb —the avocado shaped one is 1004 . It fits . It is not as large as say a tail light bulb 
And as someone else mentioned , it is often found in map light and dome light . It is 2x as bright and melts the plastic front strip of map light (?often missing) if left on a long time and same with some dome lights ( discolored ).
while I had bulb shapes correct , 
i had the bulb numbers inverted in my head -sorry for any confusion . 
I am slipping … ! 
90 might therefore be a good choice  in dome , prevent the burning / brown marks … 
John 
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> On Feb 9, 2023, at 11:32 AM, Rob Kern <robkern@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> Rich,
>    Thank you for the complete guide for auto bulbs for Letter Cars!  This makes my lesson complete and as a silver lining in a dark cloud a valuable resource for any MYC in the Club!  There is a reason your parents named you Rich….you are a plethora of resources!  300’ly, Rob Kern
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2023, at 1:30 AM, Rich Barber <c300@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>> 
>> I humbly refer those interested to: http://www.jholst.net/lamps/lampindex.php  The 90 bulb is also confirmed in the FSM as a G-6 round-head Double Contact Bayonet bulb rated by NAPA at 8.9W.  Warning light needs to be bright--and should probably be higher up on the panel.   Gotta admit I've missed this light in my pre-flight several times over the years.  Cars seemed to really bog down and something was steenking.
>> 
>> Rich Barber in Brentwood. 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of John Grady
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 5:18 PM
>> To: Ron Waters <ronbo97@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Cc: Rob Kern <robkern@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: {Chrysler 300} Putting a square peg in a round hole
>> 
>> actually Rob all this true , —and very valuable —-especially your comment about look at bottom of bulb . Never ever put a one pin bulb in two pin socket . Dead short . One pin on that two pin design is always live the other one is then  grounded to turn it on . Dome lights are this way too , pink wire is live . And not turned off by ignition switch !!!! leads to the ultimate OH NO above the headliner . 
>> but more in a second .
>> The number 90 bulb is usually used as a dome light , very bright bulb . Therefore very hot . I think the correct  bulb for that warning light is one with a round globe , less watts and less heat . And of  course double pins . ——look up in FSM — there is a list of bulbs . 90 may be right , but mine had a round globe . Fewer watts . Not a 90 . 
>> Too much heat can overheat the socket , the bakelite can cook loosen the pins , and shortsville again . I add shrink tube ion the two wires where they enter that socket . 
>> The 90 is sort of avocado shaped , i believe the correct bulb has a round globe. Same metal base size . 
>> 
>> So about humility , —being   the EE guy , —-and why I know about that dxxx light , I logically ( to me )assumed the screw on looking top with red jewel got you to the bulb . it does but it is down on a deep hole , no way to grab bulb . How the H do you get the bulb out ? put it in looks easy , push down and turn on top with finger . So after much time vile words  and extreme frustration, pushing down trying to turn it , the glass breaks !! Arrgh arrgh . Now really upset , sliced finger , trying to grab bulb socket shell metal with long nose . no go . 
>> all of a sudden , the socket (and bulb remains ) both fall off the back , 2 hours in . Sheepish is way too mild . It comes out the BACK !!!!! I thought an all one piece thing . I thought very wrong . 
>> 
>> So none of us escape this stuff . 
>> 
>> In my case i put a 1 watt red LED in there along with current limiting resistor in hot blue feed lead ( 20 ohms 2 watts ) .
>> So now a forever LED , it runs cold . 
>> Yes humility is a good word . In my case = “ John , think three or four times before attacking “ needs to be tattooed on hand . 
>> John
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Feb 8, 2023, at 12:19 PM, Ron Waters <ronbo97@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Rob -
>>> 
>>> I just read thru your missive. As soon as you said that you pulled out 
>>> a bulb from your drawer, my first thought was, 'did he verify that 
>>> it's the correct bulb ?'. Bulbs are helpful in that they have their 
>>> number printed on the side. So if the old bulb said #90, the new one 
>>> should as well. I guess the double pin bulb didn't. Now to make it 
>>> interesting, in some cases there could be multiple single-pin bulbs 
>>> that would work. The difference being the candlepower rating. If you 
>>> put too bright a bulb in the socket, it may burn the plastic lens. This is a common problem with the roof rail lenses.
>>> Another reason to check the number on the old bulb. Or consult the 
>>> owner's manual or shop manual.
>>> 
>>> Electricals are fun. I'm about to install the power window harness 
>>> into my
>>> 59 Dodge convertible. Always learning something. It's the journey, not 
>>> the destination, that makes it interesting.
>>> 
>>> Ron
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
>>> Rob Kern
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2023 11:38 AM
>>> To: 300 Club
>>> Cc: RJ Kern; Sean Kern
>>> Subject: {Chrysler 300} Putting a square peg in a round hole
>>> 
>>> Hello 300'ly to all!
>>>  Wayne Graefen told me when I became the C Model Year Consultant 
>>> that I would learn all that is needed to know about the C in 5 years 
>>> of filling the role! Well that was 14 years ago and a little over 2 
>>> weeks ago I gained another pearl of wisdom.  Trying to exude humility 
>>> and knowing that self deprecation is the best way of being humorous 
>>> and being humble (or is it
>>> humbled) is a great way to share wisdom to pass on.  So I was out 
>>> driving Mopsy (Marnie was with Grand kids in Reston, VA) and drove out 
>>> to Lake Lawtonka to check on the boat in its garage cocoon to pump up 
>>> the fuel bowl and after that 30 second iteration jumped back in the 
>>> car and voila (or lack
>>> thereof) my emergency brake warning light was not lighted!  OK simple 
>>> fix, change the bulb and my next destiny was instead of Starbucks to 
>>> go straight home and change the bulb.  Being OC I knew I just could 
>>> NOT enjoy my Mocha Latte with a dead bulb in my precious Christine 
>>> like 300C! So I crawl under the dash and manage to not cut my hand to 
>>> shreds with jagged metal.  I managed to dislodge the socket from the 
>>> ferrule (for lack of a better
>>> description) and sure enough the bulb was as black as the ebonite that 
>>> my clarinet was made of when I played it back in the day!  Now here is 
>>> where it gets interesting, scary and educational (also becomes a day 
>>> without Starbucks!). I scrounge through my little plastic drawer 
>>> dedicated to lightt bulbs and find one that looks just like the old 
>>> bulb and surprise is inscribed with Made In China on the side!  So I 
>>> with a grin go and attempt to put this bulb in the socket.  Going like 
>>> trying to put a square peg in a round hole BUT I finally get it in!  
>>> About this time my neighbor across the street shows up to watch what I 
>>> am doing.  (Great guy, has helped me through many Mopsy projects so of 
>>> course he wants to see what degree of difficulty this one is). Oh, 
>>> just changing a light bulb Steve! (Not like the 14 hours we spent 
>>> hanging newly chromed front and rear bumpers in 2008). So I turn the 
>>> ignition to ON and no light and then smoke!!  This  proved that 
>>> Mopsy's sinuses were clear in that it came out from the cowl vent!  
>>> Immediately I turned off the ignition switch.  The light blue wires 
>>> going from the socket to the pin switch to the wiring harness were 
>>> scrambled. WHAT!!!!  First thing I remembered was Brother-In-Law and 
>>> best friend (also new Club member) GEORGE HAGERTY saying that 80% of 
>>> the time that things that go wrong with old cars are electrical!  
>>> Steve then says well it is not just a light bulb fix now, and says he 
>>> has to scram to pick stuff up for his mother who lives down the 
>>> street! He did say that he was ready to get the fire extinguisher if I 
>>> needed it (we both know where they are in both our homes as well as 
>>> the hidden key so that he can get into our storm shelter if we are 
>>> away). So I tracked the wire and found that the only part scrambled 
>>> was what was involved with the emergency break light . Upon taking out 
>>> the socket the bulb was clear!  HMMMM!  Not good!  Then when trying to 
>>> remove the square peg from the round hole found that the contacts from 
>>> the socket were welded to the bottom of the bulb!!!  Moral of story:  
>>> If the bulb doesn't fit easily SOMETHING IS WRONG!!  (Forget your 
>>> gynecological surgery background numb skull!) So a little voice said 
>>> to call Jeff Carter (save face by confiding in him, he has not been in 
>>> business in this hobby this long if not for being discreet, imagine 
>>> how many reputations of MoPAR owners he has preserved by charging what 
>>> ever to fix the problem created by numbskulls like me!). Jeff was 
>>> surprisingly present at the shop on a Saturday afternoon and answered 
>>> the phone.  Of course just hearing him say that I used a single 
>>> contact bulb and not a dual contact #90 bulb and shorted the 2 
>>> contacts relaxed me.  " Rest assured, I can make you up a NOS socket 
>>> and pin switch with the correct length wire and connectors, just send 
>>> me the old fried stuff with the ferrule and I will do a one day turn 
>>> around! " exclaimed Jeff. THREE hours later I manage to get the wires 
>>> and pin switch and socket out!  The emergency brake handle Allen screw 
>>> would not budge in order for me to remove the under dash housing that 
>>> contained the light and wiper switches also. I managed to unscrew the 
>>> housing from the underside edge of the dash (getting cut this time) and moving the bezel out toward the brake handle so that I could wedge my head (definitely not swollen with pride but shrunk with humility) and with the assistance of my cell phone light get a small Phillips head screw driver in to remove the 2 screws holding the pin switch!
>>> Must have good eyelid reflexes to prevent screws from falling back 
>>> into your eye when removing and replacing the screws however.  Yes, I 
>>> did have  chocks behind the rear wheels should I knock the emergency 
>>> brake handle and it release!  Not enough room for eyeglasses or safety 
>>> goggles to be worn!  IS THERE EVER ANYTHING EASILY DONE WHEN WORKING 
>>> ON A '57 CHRYSLER?? Anyway I got it all out and shipped the fried part 
>>> of the wiring harness with socket, etc. to Jeff. Good to his word Jeff 
>>> had it arrive to my home the day I dropped Marnie at the airport to take care of the Minneapolis grand kids!
>>> Jeff included the correct bulb with the #90 type on the invoice and 
>>> the correct connector for the power to come off an auxiliary terminal 
>>> in the back of the fuel gauge. HMMM!  My wire was connected to the 
>>> wire coming directly off the ignition switch done by the guy who 
>>> rewired the car back in
>>> 2003 when it underwent major renovation.  Ok, so I was lucky on this 
>>> deal that the wire was not connected to the gauge cluster because if 
>>> it was I may have fried the fuel gauge and perhaps the electrical 
>>> conductivity to the fuel sending unit in guess where?  THE FUEL TANK!  
>>> Anyway I reconnected the wiring with new connectors as it was done in 
>>> 2003 with all four wires with good insulation removal for the shrink 
>>> wrapped connector and installed the new socket, etc. back in place in 
>>> 1.5 hours with no cuts to the hands! I turned the ignition to ON and 
>>> the emergency brake light was bright and then engaged the starter 
>>> button and IT STARTED!!!  Thank you 300 Angels Jeff and Lisa Carter!  
>>> All electrical stuff checked out fine in the car and I drove her 40 
>>> miles this weekend, and YES to Starbucks!  So remember if you have a C 
>>> (and probably the same for the D) if you need to replace an emergency 
>>> brake warning light bulb use a #90 double contact bulb.  I found two 
>>> more at O'Reilly's to keep in stock in my little plastic bulb drawer!  
>>> Rob Kern
>>> 
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