Gary’s legacy lives at Quirey now, let’s support them as we move ahead. I came to the club later on in ’16 and knew the names of the early members like Riel and McTaggart, Cunningham, Verity and many more. I have personally benefitted from the knowledge of those members who so freely give of their time and talent. Much appreciated. ML.
Hello Rich - Thanks so much for your continued updates on Gary's health. I
have an interesting anecdote to share with (both) Club members.
In 1973, my late father (also named Ray Melton) had recently
retired and was increasing his activity on restoring the 1957
Chrysler 300C convertible he acquired in 1968. My Dad was in
touch with George Riehl and had become a member in the early 300
Club, where he learned about the services of young Gary Goers,
particularly his expertise in providing high-quality, accurate
interior upholstery components like leather seat and carpets.
(Back then, all communication was done by snail mail and
rotary-dial 7-digit phone numbers that started with names and
letters!) Dad got in touch with young Gary Goers, who already
at such an early age (28?) had a strong reputation for quality
upholstery work on our letter cars. Dad arranged to drive "Big
Red" from Albuquerque to Southern California so Gary could replace
the damaged interior (seats and carpeting). Gary invited my Dad
to stay in their family home for three days while Gary fabricated
and installed a complete interior for the car. Dad then drove
back to Albuquerque and continued the (eternal!) mechanical and
cosmetic renovation of the car, which he campaigned until 1988,
accumulating dozens of car-show trophies, while completely wearing
out the car by driving it to meets ranging from Chicago to Dallas;
to Denver to Reno; to San Diego to Indianapolis.
After my Dad's passing in 1996, I found many pieces of
correspondence with Gary Goers, George Riehl, Andy Jugle (Highway
Hi-Fi records) and several other early Club members. Among those
records was a yellowed invoice for Gary's comprehensive interior
renovation: $830, including California tax! (and no charge for
the room & board at Gary's place while the work was being
done!)
I met with Gary at the 2014 Club meet in Alamogordo, NM, and
talked with him about those days long ago while showing him the
old invoice, ludicrously modest by today's standards. Gary
recalled the visit so long ago, then just laughed and said, "Yeah,
that was pretty good for me at the time; it would probably be at
least four times that today, but I don't regret a bit!" Class guy, although he was already (2014) in the throes of
significant health distress, soon to become even worse. I'm now
even older than these guys, and more and more, I appreciate the
contributions they made back in the "good old daze"! We were so
fortunate!
Ray Melton *******************************************************
On 1/14/2022 5:56 PM, Rich Barber
wrote:
I
visited recently with Gary Goers. His health has stabilized
after removing most of his left leg (after a bad fall that
shredded an ankle) and his health has stabilized. His
creativity and good works carry on with the Query
organization but there is no replacement for Gary,
especially when he teamed up with Col. Tony Bevacqua. Tony
is moving a lot slower on his feet but much faster in his
new Corvette. God bless them both. Rich
Barber Brentwood
CA 60F @ 5 PM.
Thanks to all for reminding me of Mark Obermann's new role in
assuming data plate decoding services previously provided by
Gil Cunningham; I may have overlooked that since my
restoration was already complete and I was no longer in
immediate need of that. Does anyone have current information regarding the health
status of former Club heroes Gary Goers and Gil Cunningham;
their past services and contributions are keenly appreciated
and sorely missed. Age and health issues eventually overtake
all of us, so it is encouraging to see another generation step
up to carry the flame. Ray Melton *******************************************************************************
On 1/14/2022 2:08 PM, Carl wrote:
Yes, the body plate (aka data plate aka
fender tag) was in a different location on Imperials, either
the core support of the drivers side firewall, because, of
course, it was a snobby Imperial and just had to be
different than a “Chrysler.” Later Mopars had the plate located on the
inner fender, hence the term “fender tag” commonly used by
the muscle car guys. Well equipped models sometimes had
two “fender tags.” Body tag decoding is offered by certain
club members who have expertise in certain model years. I
can decode 1963, but that won’t help Ray much. The body
tags do not encode all of the equipment/options on our
letter cars. The build cards do list all the equipment as
specified when the car was ordered, and Mark can decode
those. Carl B.
Ray,
Yes, Mark Obermann assumed Gil’s
decoding role a couple years ago - listed in our Club
Roster and 300 Club News. Also on our Club’s website.
The body tag on the earlier Chryslers
was located in the engine compartment, as you say yours
is on your C. Later cars - at least 1960 and newer -
have the painted body plate affixed to the A-pillar with
2 screws, just below the windshield. The unpainted s/n
plate is affixed to the A-pillar farther down, with 2
rivets. Interestingly, my buddy’s’60 Imperial coupe - a
body on frame car - has its painted body plate affixed
by two screws to the car’s upper right corner radiator
core support facing the front of the car (upper left
corner of the core support if looking at the car from
the front).
Noel
Hello Bob - I have a 300C convertible s/n 3N572517 and am aware
of only the "data plate" (sic) on the radiator core
support and the VIN tag in the driver's side door
jamb. I'm probably just a bit confused by
nomenclature, but what do you mean by "fender tag"?
Is that the same as the plate on the radiator core
support? Is that more correctly called a "trim
code plate"? Why is it called a "fender tag"? Are
there any other places on the car that denote
anything specific to the vehicle as produced by the
factory? And a somewhat related question: I understand that
Gil Cunningham is in seriously ill health and is no
longer able to personally provide his long-time
extremely valuable service of "decoding" the front
data plate (and even a copy of the IBM punch card
describing the build). Has anyone in the Club
stepped up to perhaps take over that function? I
am fortunate to have completed the restoration of
"Big Red" several years ago while Gary Goers and Gil
Cunningham (to name a few) were active - it's so
true that you often easily take for granted
something until it's gone...🙁 Ray Melton Las Cruces, NM **********************************************************************
On 1/14/2022 12:06 PM, Bob
Jasinski wrote:
Tim, Nothing
is impossible. Having written that, I only know
of one vendor that can/will reproduce trim code
plates (fender tags), and that vendor requires
thorough proof that the car was built to the
specs shown on the plate. Same thing with the
VIN tag. The difference is that the trim code
plate can be removed because it is held on with
screws, the VIN is spot welded to the door
jamb. Any tampering with the VIN plate (removal
and reinstallation) is a federal offense and the
person doing it can end up in prison. This does
not apply to new state issued VIN plates of cars
with damaged or lost VIN plates. There
are 300 letter cars out there that have been
converted from coupes to convertibles and the
guy that did it tampered with the plates and
served prison time as a result.
I was told I believe by a club
member that the trim.plates can be manufactured to
to say anything? That it is not a reliable source
of a actual history?
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Date:
1/13/22 7:22 PM (GMT-06:00)
Subject:
{Chrysler 300} Mecum report 300G and H
Forgive me as I peck this
out on a phone in a hotel room.
The G at Mecum Kissimmee
2022 is a very shiny car with glistening chrome
and straight panels.
It has that glazed ham look
you find when a muscle car shop unfamiliar with
Forward Look cars is handed a letter car to do.
It wears incorrect carpets and sits entirely too
high in the rear. It appears as a car put
together to impress at a sale as the majority of
cars here are.
The public oohs and aahs were
frustrating. But it shows beautifully to those
who don't know it. Its an 888 car (see photos)
but the leather they used is wrong. Overall it
is straight and very well over-done with too
many minor details wrong. And yet it will sell
for a breathtaking sum, the rising tide is
welcome notwithstanding the mediocre effort to
get details right.
As for the H, it was locked
up and inaccessible. However all four chairs in
that car are, as my friend Kurt said - akimbo.
They all appear to be tilted, mismounted,
screwed up, whatever it should be called. Paint
and chrome outside is nice, inside dull and
worn in some areas. A good number two. It will
sell for more than most of us would pay.
Sent
from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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