Re: {Chrysler 300} Trim code plates & VIN tags

To All,

For those of us in the "rust belt", or if you own a car that came from here (Wisconsin), the idea of a VIN tag having been removed and reattached because the rivets or the metal behind the rivets rusted away is not unusual at all. Salt from the highway in winter would get in between the gap between the front fender and door and corrode everything. After a few years, you slam the door and the VIN tag falls off or when you come to wash the vehicle in spring and go over the area where the tag is with pressure from a sponge, pressurized water or whatever, it falls off. I'm just saying, don't presume someone was acting inappropriately if a VIN tag has been reattached with screws. There are of course cases of people doing as Bob mentions, but it's not always the case. .

Ray, Mark Obermann is our Club member who is doing the "decoding". I believe his information is on the club web site and/ or in the Club Directory.

Thanks,

Brian

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 1:46 PM Ray Melton <rfmelton@xxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello Bob -

I have a 300C convertible s/n 3N572517 and am aware of only the "data plate" (sic) on the radiator core support and the VIN tag in the driver's side door jamb. I'm probably just a bit confused by nomenclature, but what do you mean by "fender tag"? Is that the same as the plate on the radiator core support? Is that more correctly called a "trim code plate"? Why is it called a "fender tag"? Are there any other places on the car that denote anything specific to the vehicle as produced by the factory?

And a somewhat related question: I understand that Gil Cunningham is in seriously ill health and is no longer able to personally provide his long-time extremely valuable service of "decoding" the front data plate (and even a copy of the IBM punch card describing the build). Has anyone in the Club stepped up to perhaps take over that function? I am fortunate to have completed the restoration of "Big Red" several years ago while Gary Goers and Gil Cunningham (to name a few) were active - it's so true that you often easily take for granted something until it's gone...🙁

Ray Melton Las Cruces, NM

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On 1/14/2022 12:06 PM, Bob Jasinski wrote:

Tim,

Nothing is impossible. Having written that, I only know of one vendor that can/will reproduce trim code plates (fender tags), and that vendor requires thorough proof that the car was built to the specs shown on the plate. Same thing with the VIN tag. The difference is that the trim code plate can be removed because it is held on with screws, the VIN is spot welded to the door jamb. Any tampering with the VIN plate (removal and reinstallation) is a federal offense and the person doing it can end up in prison. This does not apply to new state issued VIN plates of cars with damaged or lost VIN plates.

There are 300 letter cars out there that have been converted from coupes to convertibles and the guy that did it tampered with the plates and served prison time as a result.

Bob J

From: chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Tim
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 5:43 PM
To: dplotkin <dplotkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: {Chrysler 300} Mecum report 300G and H

I was told I believe by a club member that the trim.plates can be manufactured to to say anything? That it is not a reliable source of a actual history?

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From: dplotkin <dplotkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Date: 1/13/22 7:22 PM (GMT-06:00)

To: chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Subject: {Chrysler 300} Mecum report 300G and H

Forgive me as I peck this out on a phone in a hotel room.

The G at Mecum Kissimmee 2022 is a very shiny car with glistening chrome and straight panels.

It has that glazed ham look you find when a muscle car shop unfamiliar with Forward Look cars is handed a letter car to do. It wears incorrect carpets and sits entirely too high in the rear. It appears as a car put together to impress at a sale as the majority of cars here are.

The public oohs and aahs were frustrating. But it shows beautifully to those who don't know it. Its an 888 car (see photos) but the leather they used is wrong. Overall it is straight and very well over-done with too many minor details wrong. And yet it will sell for a breathtaking sum, the rising tide is welcome notwithstanding the mediocre effort to get details right.

As for the H, it was locked up and inaccessible. However all four chairs in that car are, as my friend Kurt said - akimbo. They all appear to be tilted, mismounted, screwed up, whatever it should be called. Paint and chrome outside is nice, inside dull and worn in some areas. A good number two. It will sell for more than most of us would pay.

Over and out

Danny Plotkin

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