RE: {Chrysler 300} temp senders / gas tank senders - ohms
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RE: {Chrysler 300} temp senders / gas tank senders - ohms



Hi John,

Re. temp sensor, low impedance with aftermarket temp sensors also on ’60-up, just not full scale when hot but reads high.   Every ’63 temp sensor I’ve tried in the last 20 years has too low ohms when hot – goes about ¾ scale at 180, both on J and Imperial.  I add 10 to 15 ohm resistor in series at the sender to get proper reading on gauge at 180 – jut under middle.  Article in the tech dept. on web site about this.

 

’57 (maybe ’58-’59 too?) also spec’d only a 160 degree stat for non- A/C cars.  I prefer 180 stat to avoid sludge, will result in higher gauge reading as well compared to 160.

 

Carl

 

From: John Grady
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2021 2:14 PM
To: Bob Merritt; Chrysler 300 Club International
Subject: Re: {Chrysler 300} temp senders / gas tank senders - ohms

 

Yes,  pretty sure 10 ohms   full is about right ---and accuracy of full really does not matter much, sometimes gauge goes over full , does not matter, but E is critical , 60 ohm E seems too low in ohms to me , but he might have measured that on a tank where float is not moving its  full range..fix by bending  arm if needed. Float must go to the bottom of the tank obviously.  . I see personally 80-90 , aftermarket gauge dealers say mopar is 90 E , 10 F and one fellow responded to me on a later Chrysler his is 100 E.  so 90-100 ; lower ohms it will not go to E but will stop dropping just above E 

 

The cold ohms of the temp sensor are not important ,except what it does predict about what it will be  hot, as the needle will just stay at C longer if cold ohms are somewhat high..they seem to be 150 ohms at room temp about 100 at 130F Tap hot water  temp ,--- so same gauge  needle place at 130 F as E position on gas tank, (as engine passes 130 warming up), but soon  getting into middle.  Following that thinking , it must be like 10 or 20 ohms  at 212 degrees , these values are for senders listed  as correct for 1960, in mopar bags.. 

 

However if you use this sender in a 57-59 , it goes all the way to H end at 185 , looks like the engine is too hot. I have seen this twice so I know that is correct. On mine I added a 30 ohm 2 watt resistor (mouser) to the sender lead in series with the sender,  at the  sender  , which put it dead center when at ~ 185 degrees in the engine  , so all this info ought to let you fixe temp sender, so gauge is in middle with engine at right temp  . 

 

Gas tank more involved as there is some kind of curve built into the  winding wire (it changes width of winding if you look at it , so not only E and F values but how that tracks. Bottom line ,save the old one. Do not increase tension on the rubbing arm, I did that (yeah!--make it better!) it rips up the resistance winding in a few weeks, leave it alone and just clean it , float down about 90 ohms float up 10 , don't worry about 10. For thermal gauges (1960 up) . Don't know about 57-59 or before 57, but someone might have one out of the car as part of resto. Measure ohms, arm up, arm down? 

 

We will get there! 

 

John

 

On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 12:25 PM Bob Merritt <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Talking only about gas tank senders,
I have an old note from a guy that knew his stuff.
He passed away so we can't ask him.
60 ohms empty, 10 ohms full.
Gospel? Probably
not but ball park yes.

I would think the guys that repair sending units would know.
Here is a list of possible contacts:

John Wolf & Co., 36420 Biltmore Place #1, Willoughby, OH 44094. Phone:
440-942-0083, Fax: 440-975-9036. Johnwolfco@xxxxxxx Rebuild service on
Clusters,   Speedometers, Tachometers, Gas Tank Sending Units,
Mechanical Temperature Gauges. www.antiqueinstrument.com

KM Lifestyle Manufacturing, 14 Clarendon Rd, Auburn, MA 01501. (508)
792-9500 http://www.mykmlifestyle.com New Fuel Senders, Ignition Coils,
Temperature Senders, Voltage Regulators, Armatures, Fields, Generators,
Starters, Wiper Motors, Temperature Gages. “Atwater Kent”

Tri Starr LLC, 267 Neal Rd, North Pitcher, NY, 13124. Phone (607)
486-4001. http://tristarrradiator.com We Stock, Repair and Rebuild, Hard
to find, Obsolete and Overpriced Fuel Sending Units.

Williamson's Instruments, Inc., 2018 E. Front Ave., Chester, Arkansas,
72934. 479-369-2551, fax 479-369-0127 Open M-F 8-5 CST.
www.williamsons.com Restoration of speedometers, tachometers, clocks and
other gauges; which includes the instruments out of automobiles, trucks,
boats, fire trucks, motorcycles, farm equipment, trains, planes and etc.

Carl Bilter at cbilter@xxxxxxxxx (club member and J consultant) may have
additional
input. He is good at this EE stuff.

Bob





On 11/30/2021 11:57 AM, John Grady wrote:
> Anyone have any idea of normal min max of the various senders ? I know gas tank from 60-62 something  like 10 ohms full 80-90 empty , the correct thermal style gauge temp senders must be same — as thermal gauges are identical in dash 60-62 , but gauges used in 57-58 ( and ? 59 ) are differential wound coils in the gauge , so no regulator needed , but senders for those might be higher ohms ,
> I have a lot of mopar temp senders can’t tell if same or not across those years .
> Ford senders look the same but usually larger thread 1/2 and higher ohms too ( 400 cold , ) mopar seem about 150 at room temp 100 in hot tap water .
>
> This is all related to aftermarket gas tank senders seem to never be right .... would like to get to bottom of this so not having all the fun of gas tank in and out , or run out reading 1/4 , ,,, or reads empty but takes only 12 gallons etc etc . Or temp gauge never comes up enough in 57- 59 .
> Input obviously  welcome on any of this
> Sent from my iPhone not by choice
>

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