Re: [Chrysler300] Pont-a Mousson 4 speed pictures/ 3 speed picture

["Peter Pellicani pellicaniaerosvc@xxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]" <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

 I have a 1961 Newport with the 3 speed manual transmission and been driving it since 1970.  (See attached picture).  I used to go to  cruise nights with John Hertog.  He drove my car and wanted to find one with a manual transmission.  I believe his was a 62 Newport.  Yes, first gear was tough without synchro and the clutch was hard to depress, but not once did I complain about it and I drove in traffic everyday.  The selling point of the Newport (Not Windsor) was a full size Chrysler for $2964 and would use regular gas.  361 motor 265 hp but had a lot of torque.  Also came with rubber mats.  Car was ordered with Sure grip differential with a 3:48 gear ratio only for this set up in the Newport.There were many nights of racing in my time. This car weighed only 3,759 pounds and going against other full size cars at the time I had an advantage.  A lot of memories.....
Peter   61 Stick
    On Thursday, May 21, 2020, 08:09:52 PM EDT, Cox Scooter465@xxxxxxx [Chrysler300] <chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:  
 
     

So if it was a new designWhy did it not have 1stGear synchro?

Bob Haag

On May 21, 2020, at 8:01 PM, Andy Mikonis r41hp@xxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



    

There are common misconceptions about this transmission. John is right, it's not a truck truck trans. May not have been used in trucks until 1965.
In 1962, Roger Huntingdon, SAE, wrote in HOT ROD: "This was the first all-new manual transmission design out of the American auto industry for about 20 years-and it incorporated al the lessons learned in that time." He does address issues with pin synchros - for the Ramchargers! Says it's "OK in most heavy duty applications."
You have to look at in the context of the time.. People act like because it doesn't have a first gear synchro, it's from the Stone Age. 
Maybe it's slow shifting but the 300-G with this trans broke 90 mph in the Standing Mile at Daytona. Something the Pont-a-Mousson 300-F couldn't do!
Andy M..
On May 21, 2020, at 5:25 PM, John Grady jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


    
Not too bright to offer a 4 Dr sedan with a poor shifting 3 spd stick as competition to say a 61 Pontiac Ventura coupe .— while Pontiacs are at the bottom of my personal  list, there is no question a 61 Ventura coupe with thin roof, in Titian red, two tone white  and maroon leather   with a 4 spd  421 tri  Power is one beautiful looking ( and small ) car . Much better looking  than a GTO , 8 bolt aluminum wheels too .  I think the first well equipped muscle car . Really . Not a stripped racer .  Or4 Dr sedan . The reason i join in on this is the best night of my life , in 1961, I beat a brand new one with 200 miles on it with my 57 D500 convert . Which had a 300D motor and Packard od; 3:70’s. State Cops got us— but I won! At 18 yo you are beside yourself !! 
Not sure it was a truck trans , doubt it- it was a beefed up version of the older57-60  pin drive synchro trans , simply cannot be shifted fast . But much stronger. Pin Syncro second and third , ,crash box first .  Jim Bartuska sent me a lot of factory data  on that trans .The “ word on the street”in 61 was 413 popped a  T 10 4 spd .— instantly  .421 Pontiac did too, twisted off input shaft gears .. Right on edge , but Ventura a lighter car. That 4 spd trans came from 57 vette 283 .=weak , but a fast shifter, cone synchros . Mopar said no way ... 833 came in ?64 or 65 ? . All we had was that 3 spd, torqueflight faster especially 62. In 62 I also saw a stick 413 or 426 max wedge 413 “ grandma sedan, “beige color, 62   dart kill a 425 409 with 4:11 who was the record holder at NE drag way. In 12”s . 3:70 dodge gears , all the aluminum and fiberglass stuff,— Chevy blew up at top of third , dodge still in second , a foot ahead , 100 feet from end of quarter . I made money !!  4 mopar and ford guys against 25 chev guys on the bet .  In max wedge that same 61-62 trans had a long handle taller than dash but it moved  about 2” . If you pulled hard on  it on 1-2 pins broke off fall into gear mesh= boom. Bad trans really . T10 in a vette you could pull really hard and shift without touching clutch . Really , my friend broke off the lever at pivot  one night .. . But not in a 421  , do that and boom . Great to be 18— 

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On 21 May 2020, at 4:19 pm, 'Rich Barber' c300@xxxxxxx [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


 
In 1963, I was very aware of the Pont-au-Mousson tranny from writeups so when I spotted a used 1961 Newport 2DHT with a stick, I jumped right on it.  Kind of a poor-boy’s stick-shift Chrysler 300 at 1/3 the price.  I drove it for a year or so in Omaha and the rubber floor mats were probably better for use in the winter.  I did not enjoy driving it in stop and go traffic.  It was hard on the clutch.  I don’t recall it not having synchro’s on the top-two gears, anyway.  The 351 was adequate but  nothing fantastic.  I traded it for a ’63 Newport 4DHT with Torqueflite and enjoyed that car, as did the carpool—especially after I hung an ARA air conditioner on it.  I considered the 300J but two-doors were unhandy for four +-sized carpoolers and a couple of diminutive guys.

  

Rich B. in sunny CA—opening up a little.

  

From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Jim Pristelski ajp002@xxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 12:03 PM
To: Cox <Scooter465@xxxxxxx>; Chrysler 300 List <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Pont-a Mousson 4 speed pictures

  

  

My understanding was that Chrysler Corp felt that some of the GM 1961 models, especially Pontiac, had a price advantage over Chrysler..  So, they came out with the 1961 Windsor 4 door sedan with the 3 speed manual tranny at a base price of $2964.  It also came with rubber floor mats instead of carpeting.  Also, the same features were available in a 2 door hardtop for about $50 more.  I remember this because my dad was a Chrysler dealer at the time and he sold a few of these cars.  But the automatic tranny was still preferred by most customers despite the increased price.  

  

Best regards, Jim

  

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 11:44 AM Cox Scooter465@xxxxxxx [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


  

John Hertog had a 61 Newport 3 speed stick.

I drove it not much fun

No synchromesh.

I was told it was basically

A truck transmission.

Only offered so they could

List the automatic as a option

For more money.

Bob Haag

Bob Haag






On May 21, 2020, at 12:37 PM, 'Bob Jasinski' rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



   

Motor Life, April 1961 has an article on a 300G stick coupe. the pictures show the shifter to the left of the console.  I’ve also seen a 300G coupe with a factory stick shift back in the ‘80s at a local show.  I’m told they are difficult to drive, no syncro in first, and the clutch pedal was heavy..  The article states that the idle speed was at 1100 RPM, and the writer had an issue with it.

 

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