Re: [Chrysler300] 1962 383 Water Pump Housing Question
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Re: [Chrysler300] 1962 383 Water Pump Housing Question





This is a really important subject ; Napa today gives you a 440 pump that “fits”413 but is often wrong . Some early pump block housings had steel plates inside to control flows or take up space behind impeller ? Minor things like temp sensors or bolt tappings , one can deal with but I believe there are at least two pumps and two housings if not 4 in the early B blocks and they have differing pump impeller depth spec . The plate or not is a variant too . Or maybe that fixes a too deep housing used elsewhere.   Several wrong combinations fit ok but car will overheat .  

 
I have never been a guy with all the part numbers in a book ,  — but if anyone really knows what the main variations of housing and pump are physically we can at least match correctly . On the other hand getting some of the early pumps can be frustrating — you get 440 pumps . . So if the original 413 pump fails get  it rebuilt or get a kit     , lacking solid info on crossing over — not hearsay.
 I think the AC / HD pumps had differing vanes too, from memory , —and while this may be wrong ,  I think oddly the ac  or HD pump has fewer vanes which really confused me — seems backwards . Add that variation to set in depth and the plate or not , a lot of ways to go wrong .
Today I would  tend  to purchase an aftermarket or Mopar performance pump and housing in aluminum that go together , unless your old one is obviously correct / original and can be fixed . Also takes 25 lbs off the nose and will work right  .
I learned similar things from Don Verity on transmission parts , a big pile of seemingly the same pieces ( as I had stashed up ) do not swap  , keep all parts from any one  trans together or else a fiasco .. 
That said if anyone knows about this , or maybe Mr Merritt already has it up somewhere , an explanation  of the why —and physical differences —-would be really helpful . More so than numbers actually , although that helps . 
Posted as one 300 guy bitten by this ..  

Sent from my iPhone not by choice 

On 21 Apr 2020, at 9:29 pm, John Sager cleanthegarageout@xxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I don't know if this will help or not, but here's a list of casting numbers that I grabbed off the web some time ago. I make no promise of correctness. 

1968 2780989 (w/ AC,HP)
2780988 (w/o AC) 2780988 2205873 (HD truck) N/A 2780989 (w/ AC,HP)
2780988 (w/o AC & Lt. truck) 2205873 (HD truck) N/A

1967 2780989 (w/ AC,HP)
2780988 (w/o AC) 2780988 2205873 (HD truck) N/A 2780989 (w/ AC,HP)
2780988 (w/o AC & Lt. truck) 2205873 (HD truck) N/A

1966 2525498 (w/o AC)
2585314 (w/ AC) 2585314 2205873 (HD truck) N/A 2525498 (w/o AC)
2585314 (w/ AC) 2525498 (w/o AC)
2585314 (w/ AC)
2205873 (HD truck) N/A

1965 N/A 2536725 (Hemi)
2585314 (Hemi w/o AC)
2525498 (Wedge) 2525498 (w/o AC)
2585314 (w/ AC)
2205873 (HD truck) N/A 2525498 (w/o AC)
2585314 (w/ AC) 2525498 (w/o AC)
2585314 (w/ AC)
2205873 (HD truck) N/A

1964 N/A 2448759 (w/o AC, exc. 300K)
2448758 (w/ AC, 300K) 2448759 (w/o AC, exc. 300K)
2448758 (w/ AC, 300K)
2205873 (HD truck) N/A 2448759 (w/o AC, exc. 300K)
2448758 (w/ AC, 300K) 2448759 (w/o AC, exc. 300K)
2448758 (w/ AC, 300K)
2205873 (HD truck) N/A

1963 N/A 1944916 (w/o AC, exc. 300J)
2240318 (w/ AC, 300J) 1944916 (w/o AC, exc. 300J)
2240318 (w/ AC, 300J)
2205873 (HD truck) N/A 1944916 (w/o AC, exc. 300J)
2240318 (w/ AC, 300J) 1944916 (w/o AC, exc. 300J)
2240318 (w/ AC, 300J)
2205873 (HD truck) N/A

1962 N/A N/A 1944916 (w/o AC)
2240318 (w/ AC)
2205873 (HD truck) N/A 1944916 (w/o AC)
2240318 (w/ AC) 1944916 (w/o AC)
2240318 (w/ AC)
2205873 (HD truck) N/A


1737706 Early 1958
1859251 Late 1958
1859634 59-60 w/ AC
1944916 1944916 59-63 w/o AC
1945421 60-61 HD Truck
2205873 61-68 HD Truck
2240318 2205862 61-63 w/ AC
2448758 2205862 64 w/ AC & all 300K
2448759 64 w/o AC, exc. 300K
2525498 65-66 w/o AC
2536725 2205862
2536767 1965 Hemi (Aluminum)
2585314 2468007 65-66 w/ AC
2780988 2780987 67-71 most w/o AC
2780989 2780987 67-68 w/ AC, HP

John

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 08:50:04 PM EDT, Matt Allyn allynentertainment@xxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300] <chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


 

Does anyone know the differences between a 1962 Water Pump Housing & other years?
I have one that is (I think) from 1965; for my 1962 383 build.

The 1962 temperature sending unit is a small diameter thing.
This Pump Housing I have has a much larger diameter sending unit hole.

I have a new water pump, listed for the 1962.
This Pump Housing I have won't allow the water pump to seat inside it all the way; with out scraping the internal casting.

I assume I need a correct Pump Housing and this one won't work for my build...?
Anyone know what other years might be A-OK for a 1962 383?

Thanks!

Matt Allyn


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