Re: Re: [Chrysler300] 3N551001/ Aircleaner

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 10:50 AM, John Lazenby french_fryguy@xxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Jack,

If your comment was addressed to me I guess I'd be a "Stickler". I strongly believe in getting the facts and stating them correctly.

Back in the day there were numerous manufactures that used this style of filter. The ones that come to mind are Packard, Chevy, Caddy, DeSoto ('56 only) and I've recently learned that Pontiac also had one. There are possibly more. Beyond the neck diameter, height of the snout, location to accept the carbs and finally placement of the pods they are all different.

In my research I've found that the inners of the pods between 1955 & 1956 Letter Cars are different and you can't mix and match on the two pod pieces. How do I know this? When restoring the ones on our C300 & 300B at the same time the discovery came. Chrysler was the only one that has the four ribs on the top of the housing running fore and aft and usually mounting hardware can be different. I consider "Batwing" a generic term and these cars are far from generic IMO.

While I'm on this topic I'll share my frustration when I continually see the term Kelsey Hayes used with Chrysler and Imperial wire wheels when the truth is they were made by Motor Rim & Wheel. All one has to do is look at the stampings on one of wheels when the tire is off.

There are writers of articles in publication, ads placed for auctions and believe it or not even folks at Chrysler Historical giving out this incorrect info. The first two I guess to a degree I could understand but not the latter. I've written "CH" regarding this but never had a reply. I'd humbly liked to be proved wrong but I just don't think that is the case.

My friend Karl Pippart III is working on a very correct and detailed book on the ECK years of these cars and their predecessors. I urge you all to step up and purchase a copy when they come out and learn more of these historic cars. The first two years of Letter Cars have been and are grossly under valued and under rated but the truth is had those two years not been built and raced by the likes of ECK the examples that followed wouldn't matter much.

Respectfully,

John Lazenby, the "Stickler"

On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 8:21 PM, "'Jack Boyle' jackcboyle@xxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]" <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Stickler or just anti-bat?

…Jack

From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Lazenby french_fryguy@xxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2015 3:49 PM
To: P J IRISH; john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Re: [Chrysler300] 3N551001/ Aircleaner

Once again, it is "DELTAWING".........................

ECK, Elmer Karl Kiekhaefer is credited for developing the dry air filter.

John Lazenby

On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 1:37 PM, "P J IRISH hmpirish@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]" <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

--- On Tue, 6/2/15, John Lyons john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello 300 Fans,

The cars had oil bath aircleaners, the famous "Batwing", we all know and love. Very early in competition at Daytona Beach, the cars began to be "drowned out" when the violent turns off the beach, up and over the dunes to get to the paved route A-1A, put oil from the air cleaner down the intake. The paper aircleaner was ""cobbled" from two trash can covers filled with rolls of toilet paper by Carl K.'s pit crew. So what did they look like ? - I have never seen a photo of one of those. How quickly was something better constructed using that new knowledge - again I don't know, and I suspect very few are alive today to answer that question. Any one know? Perhaps we should ask Vicky Wood what she remembers at the Joint Meet in PA. I can't attend, so someone, Please Ask !

My personal guess is it is a later item put on when the New Yorker engine went in. My Two Cents.

All the Best 300ing,

Phil Irish
Red and White Bs

> From: John Lyons john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 3N551001
> To: "Chrysler 300 Club Int. Server" <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 8:21 PM, "'Jack Boyle' jackcboyle@xxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]" <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Stickler or just anti-bat?

…Jack

From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Lazenby french_fryguy@xxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2015 3:49 PM
To: P J IRISH; john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Re: [Chrysler300] 3N551001/ Aircleaner

Once again, it is "DELTAWING".........................

ECK, Elmer Karl Kiekhaefer is credited for developing the dry air filter.

John Lazenby

On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 1:37 PM, "P J IRISH hmpirish@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]" <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

--- On Tue, 6/2/15, John Lyons john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello 300 Fans,

The cars had oil bath aircleaners, the famous "Batwing", we all know and love. Very early in competition at Daytona Beach, the cars began to be "drowned out" when the violent turns off the beach, up and over the dunes to get to the paved route A-1A, put oil from the air cleaner down the intake. The paper aircleaner was ""cobbled" from two trash can covers filled with rolls of toilet paper by Carl K.'s pit crew. So what did they look like ? - I have never seen a photo of one of those. How quickly was something better constructed using that new knowledge - again I don't know, and I suspect very few are alive today to answer that question. Any one know? Perhaps we should ask Vicky Wood what she remembers at the Joint Meet in PA. I can't attend, so someone, Please Ask !

My personal guess is it is a later item put on when the New Yorker engine went in. My Two Cents.

All the Best 300ing,

Phil Irish
Red and White Bs

> From: John Lyons john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 3N551001
> To: "Chrysler 300 Club Int. Server" <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Curious to know if the air cleaners are correct.
> Very often, pilot cars had differences from regular
> production cars. Anyone ever see the car?
> JL
> From: "'Rich
> Barber' c300@xxxxxxx
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> Barber <c300@xxxxxxx>
> Date: Tuesday, June
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On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 8:21 PM, "'Jack Boyle' jackcboyle@xxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]" <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Stickler or just anti-bat?

…Jack

From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Lazenby french_fryguy@xxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2015 3:49 PM
To: P J IRISH; john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Re: [Chrysler300] 3N551001/ Aircleaner

Once again, it is "DELTAWING".........................

ECK, Elmer Karl Kiekhaefer is credited for developing the dry air filter.

John Lazenby

On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 1:37 PM, "P J IRISH hmpirish@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]" <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

--- On Tue, 6/2/15, John Lyons john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello 300 Fans,

The cars had oil bath aircleaners, the famous "Batwing", we all know and love. Very early in competition at Daytona Beach, the cars began to be "drowned out" when the violent turns off the beach, up and over the dunes to get to the paved route A-1A, put oil from the air cleaner down the intake. The paper aircleaner was ""cobbled" from two trash can covers filled with rolls of toilet paper by Carl K.'s pit crew. So what did they look like ? - I have never seen a photo of one of those. How quickly was something better constructed using that new knowledge - again I don't know, and I suspect very few are alive today to answer that question. Any one know? Perhaps we should ask Vicky Wood what she remembers at the Joint Meet in PA. I can't attend, so someone, Please Ask !

My personal guess is it is a later item put on when the New Yorker engine went in. My Two Cents.

All the Best 300ing,

Phil Irish
Red and White Bs

> From: John Lyons john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 3N551001
> To: "Chrysler 300 Club Int. Server" <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2015, 1:19 PM
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> Wow! Very cool.
> Curious to know if the air cleaners are correct.
> Very often, pilot cars had differences from regular
> production cars. Anyone ever see the car?
> JL
> From: "'Rich
> Barber' c300@xxxxxxx
> [Chrysler300]" <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: Rich
> Barber <c300@xxxxxxx>
> Date: Tuesday, June
> 2, 2015 2:06 PM
> To: "Chrysler
> 300 Club Int. Server" <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject:
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> Needs a lot of love and a Delta-Wing but still
> elegant. Only $75K. Is in our
> registry. C300’ly
> forever,Rich
> BarberBrentwood,
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