Re: [Chrysler300]

And let’s not forget the ethanol is actually mixed in when delivered to to the station. “Your mileage may vary” is spot on in that case as the concentration of ethanol in the so-call 90/10 mix can vary dramatically, or so I have heard.

Carl B

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Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 6:16 PM

To: 'Ryan Hill' ; kboonstra@xxxxxxxxxxxx ; 'David Schwandt'

Cc: '300-Gil Cunningham' ; chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Subject: RE: [Chrysler300]

Farming is a business. Every drop of ethanol in the fuel reduces the power output/gallon. So, if the subsidy does not cover the increase in consumption my farmer friends will squeal like hogs under gates. The farmers are obviously smarter and better-connected politically than the rest of us who think that paying more for less is a good deal.

Here are the numbers from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_gallon_equivalent#Gasoline_gallon_equivalent_tables

Unleaded regular: 114,100 Btu/g (100%)

Pure Ethanol: 76,100 BTU/g (66.7%)

90/10 mix: 110,300 Btu/g (96.7%)

Reformulated 90/10 mix: 111,836 Btu/g (98.0%)

Summer gasoline regular is higher at 114,500 and winter unleaded is 112,500.

My experience is that I easily get at least 5% increase in MPG on unleaded regular as compared to 10% ethanol mix. I also find that buying higher grade/octane gas is usually worth it in my hemi-rango. It senses octane by sensing knock and adjusts the timing accordingly. Higher octane fuel allows the timing to advance enough to make a difference—especially when towing our C-300. Our ’86 Chrysler T&C convertible with the turbocharged 2.2L engine also gets much better mpg on “Ethyl” as it has one of the first computer controlled engines. Although ethanol is an octane improver the 90-10 mix is still only rated at 87 in CA.

Refinery outages, striking workers, annual changeover to summer gas and governmental and legal bombardment have resulted in shortages in the bay area and other parts of CA and regular is back up to $3.25-$3.50/g. California’s unique requirements for gasoline preclude bringing in fuel from out of state. Of course, our gas is better than yours.

I have some 50-year old data that shows gasoline at 132,400 Btu/g, assumedly leaded. That was the good old days when letter cars predominated and loved that 100 octane “Ethyl”.

I cannot think of anything we buy that we know less about than gasoline and Diesel fuel. A box of crackers shows the price in cents/ounce plus vitamin, additive, sugar, carbohydrate and calorie content/serving. Someday, we will see motor fuel sold based on actual Btu/gallon, actual state, local and federal tax/100,000 Btu and content of the Witches brew. The technology is here now.

C300K’ly,

Rich Barber (Pump jockey, grease monkey and apprentice mechanic in the ‘50’s—“May I fill it with Flite Fuel, sir—and may I vacuum your floor mats, check your oil and tires and chamois all your windows inside and out?”)

From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ryan Hill ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 2:20 PM
To: kboonstra@xxxxxxxxxxxx; David Schwandt
Cc: 300-Gil Cunningham; chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [Chrysler300]

Much like a drug dealer knows not to take drugs, the corn farmers also know what's bad for their vehicles and equipment it would seem.

Ryan Hill

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CC: lettercars@xxxxxxx; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 16:49:53 -0500
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300]

Wait, what ????!!

The ethanol is mandated by the politicians for the sole purpose of supporting the Iowa corn farmers who support the politicians for supporting mandated ethanol, and the Iowa farmers who grow corn for ethanol get to have plentiful non-E gas for their own use???

You have GOT to be kidding !!!

Can a country secede from itself?

Keith Boonstra

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:56 AM, 'David Schwandt' finsruskw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

We are lucky here in that we can get non-E gas most anywhere, thanks to the farmers!

Gil, are Ya gonna bring the Blue F to PA this summer??

We are thinking on it.

Dave Schwandt

From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of lettercars@xxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 4:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [Chrysler300]

Terry and All:

Knock on wood----I have not had the ethanol trouble---at least not yet! A couple weeks ago I started up my 300F for the first time in over a year (ashamed of that!) and took it for a fairly exuberant drive. It started very well with a little gasoline poured in each carb, and ran just fine. I will say that one of my stops on that little excursion was a fill up with NON-ethanol fuel at the local Marathon station. At least I feel better now!

300ly, Gil C.

In a message dated 3/2/2015 2:49:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:

I just read in Autoweek mag Jay Leno's essay on the evils of ethanol. In my 300F I have been running a mix of 100+ octane leaded aviation gas and pump premium spiked with the normal amount of ethanol. Has anybody in the Club experienced any problems with today's ethanol-infused gas? Jay talks about rubber parts (in fuel pumps, for example) being eaten up and ensuing engine fires. Terry McTaggart

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