Just from the description, it sounds like the float drop
is set incorrectly. On the carbs I've rebuilt, it says to take the measurement
from the bottom of the gasket. I would also check that all the numbers are
correct.
Ron
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Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 10:18
PM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Carter AFB -
Edlebrock carb help needed
Rick,
I just watched a video about how to adjust idle mixture screws using a vacuum
gauge, so I will try that.
Thanks!
Mike Moore
300H
Rick,
Thank you for your informative note. I have religiously followed the
workshop manual to adjust my carbs (300H). Many years ago (I've owned it since
1966) I had no problem tuning it up. In recent years, it sat idle for a number
of years and I finally had the time to get it back on the road. I was not
happy with how it ran, even less so with how it stopped.
I fixed the stopping problem then worked on the running
problems.
A friend who is most impressed with his mechanical skills spent some time
helping me. That got a bunch of linkages bent up. I later replaced the
distributor which helped immensely and had a top shop rebuilt the carbs with
all new linkages. Suspecting the damper and timing mark, I had it rebuilt. I
also adjusted the valves hot,and running, measured them, and for
reference later checked them cold and found ca .002 difference between
hot and cold.
Dwell is correct, timing is correct-but I still do not like the way it
runs. I have followed the work shop procedure several times, always
dissatisfied with the results, My professional mechanic (not the genious who
bent up the linkages) , who owns a Corvette, also with dual AFBs says
its just because of the gasoline.
One thing I am unsure of is tuning the 4 idle screws and looking for rpm
increase or decrease, I can sometimes turn a considerable amount and not see
it go up or not. How do you use a vacuum gauge for that?
Because we have owned the car so long, and do enjoy it, I have been
wondering about installing a single 4-barrel carb on another manifold for
normal driving-but then what?
Why would I ever install the 2x4 manifold again?
1. What would you do.
2. What do you use the vacuum gauge to adjust the carbs. (I am using a
tach only)
Thanks,
Mike Moore
300H
With respect to Q1, are you sure if it’s too much fuel or not enough?
Mark’s post is more likely, namely it’s a vacuum management issue. Lower
engine rpm’s and thus less vacuum combined with braking (and thus with power
brakes actuating and affecting vacuum).
Q2: Putting a new Holley carb
on it may fix it, as might putting on a new Edelbrock. There is nothing
intrinsically better about the Holley design ( though a lot of aficionados for
either would love to argue this point). In either case you’d be putting on a
new carb where everything is adjusted to the proper spec’s and working right.
After all, the AFB has served well on a lot of Mopars through the
years.
The following is not directed at you or anyone in particular but
rather hopefully provides a background for looking at any carb problem. A look
at the history of carb development shows system after system added on to
correct limitations of the basic design. For example in response to a problem
of stalling during hard cornering Holley added the “cathedral” bowls to
prevent fuel starvation. So what was a simple mechanical system in the
twenties morphed into a complex system by the seventies, probably the most
complex part of the engine accessible to the operator. By that I mean your
average owner wouldn’t tell himherself “I think there’s a problem with the
tranny so I’ll drop the pan and start fiddling around” or “ the steering is
not right so let me open the gear box and see if anything pops out”. Your
average operator with an engine problem is however willing to pull the air
filter, stare at the carb, and saying something like “ I don’t think the choke
is pulling off soon enough so if I just bend that linkage arm the choke will
be more open and the problem solved”. Since its an integrated system that
bending of linkage may open the choke but also affect something else in the
carb. Thus a lot of carbs out there may have been tweaked since their latest
rebuild in ways they were not intended to be tweaked but which the
operator/mechanic thought was a good idea at the time. Worse yet, some have
been “rebuilt” without checking to see if the linkage has the proper
dimensions/operation. Add to this a thousand gallons of gasoline (with its
contaminants) that are pumped through that carb (and its close tolerance
parts) per year. Sometimes it’s as simple as a particle blocking a port. The
problem however often involves degradation of multiple systems within the
carb. As such it often involves going back to first principles or
epistemological analysis to diagnose, namely how do we know what’s working
right. Last year I started working on a ram engine car that was hard to start,
often stalled, and gave underwhelming performance when running. The car was
advertised as having recent professionally rebuilt carbs – and I think they
were. By the time I went through using the factory specified procedure for
setting up the throttle linkage from the accelerator pedal through the final
connection to the carbs, setting the entire carb linkage through the
procedures given by Carter, new tune up parts and adjustments, adjusting both
carb’s mixture and idle, replacing all vacuum tubing, and making sure the
tubing was connected to the right ports I had an engine running just great.
After each procedure the car ran a little better but no one procedure “fixed”
the problem. When I see someone ask “how many turns out is this mixture screw
supposed to be?” I think back to the service manual. If there was a hard
number it would be in there. Rather you can start at a certain point but then
have to adjust to the particular engine you’re working on due to e.g.
manufacturing tolerances and wear. A lot of guys may be able to use their ears
to tell how an adjustment affects rpm’s but I have to use both tachometer and
vacuum gauge to see the effect. This is especially true on multiple carb set
ups where you have to go back and forth several times to get them
balanced.
I realize this doesn’t solve your problem. Perhaps, based on
your particular setup you could start by putting a vacuum gauge on the carb
and see the response when going through various scenarios such as 2000 rpm to
fully closed throttle, brake actuation etc.
From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Mark Lindahl mplindahl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[Chrysler300] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 12:25 PM To: christopher;
Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject:
Re: [Chrysler300] Carter AFB - Edlebrock carb help
needed
Christopher,
I am having the same problem with a Carter
AFB 3256SA in my '63 Chrysler 300 conv. Sudden stops can cause the engine to
stall. Also, a quick slowdown with a right turn causes engine to nearly stall.
I increased idle and this helped a bit, but I don't think this is the complete
solution.
I find that when I downshift before making a quick right
turn, there is less of a stalling problem. When I have the trans in neutral,
the problem is worse. This leads me to believe that as long as the wheels are
turning the engine (in a downshift condition), the proper amount of fuel is
getting to the engine (under load).
My 1st guess is that some of the
small carburetor ports may be semi-clogged and the proper amount of fuel gets
sucked in the engine only under high vacuum (load conditions)?
Let me
know your thoughts.
300ly,
Mark Lindahl
On Monday,
September 1, 2014 6:35 AM, "christopher thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx
[Chrysler300]" <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Q1. Motor with a 60s/300 style 4bbl Carter AFB type carburetor
on it - brake real hard, near panic stop, and motor stalls as if gas/fuel
flooding/pouring out of carb float chambers and into the carb/motor
guts/intake, and it richens motor too much so it stalls - is this common with
thyis type carb in this situation, AND IF SO IS THERE A CURE?? The same
carb is now sold as an Edlebrock Q2. - tuner guys have said put a 4bbl
Holley on motor to cure it instantly - DOES THSAT SOUND
TRUE?
Christopher in Australia - 1st day of spring, and/but just rained
hail and sleet outside. And for US300ly grain farmers, many Southern
Australian winter grain farmers badly need rain, plus savage frosts a while
back totally ruined many crops before they even ripen
I see there was a
seemingly nice red 300C on ebay last week, at around $57k, no takers. I
realise 300G looks is a maybe acquired taste, so that one selling in the $60ks
was not too surprising given the sad situation re both its's owners, despite
it normally should have bought maybe a 25% higher price than usual due to it's
known quality/standard?.\ And in the past, was $60s to 70ks a
fair/good/average figure for real good '57-61 300 Coupes, so maybe not much
changed. But against that one of the bigger Market Report email/websites, just
posted few days ago, that now annual Monterey Sales just ended, averaging all
big US auction Sales/Results, prices up around 30% - not seemingly with 300s
though. Anyhow, key thing is enjoy driving them, as what they worth only
any good if you selling!!
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