RE: [Chrysler300] Bad experience

["Jean-Yves" <jymopar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Re: numbers matching cars, I agree with you 100%. I have own several Mopars from 1960-1970 and yes, 1968 was the first year I ever saw the VIN (actually part of it) stamped on the engine and trans.

But on early 60’s Mopars , and you may know this, the shipping and/or schedule numbers on the body code plate (what  is commonly called the fender tag ) is stamped on at least two locations on the main body of the car...So , if the body code plate is present on a car, those numbers can be verified and if they do not match,  it’s either a re- bodied car or the body code plate was changed...

Jean-Yves Chouinard.

 

From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of kmaniak@xxxxxxx
Sent: April-18-13 11:59 PM
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Subject: Fwd: [Chrysler300] Bad experience

 

  

FYI for all.

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From: kmaniak <kmaniak@xxxxxxx <mailto:kmaniak%40aol.com> >
To: jbritz65432f1 <jbritz65432f1@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jbritz65432f1%40gmail.com> >
Sent: Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:57 pm
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Bad experience

Well, I have heard of vintage and exotic car dealers, but I have never dealt with any and probably never will. It seems to me that most of these type of dealers, with possibly rare exceptions, are merely consignment houses that receive cars from private parties or restoration shops, make them look pretty, do whatever little service work may be necessary to maintain the prettiness and make sure the car runs well enough to make the taillights disappear from the showroom, and negotiate top dollar from the customers to satisfy the sellers. These dealers are dependent upon the third party sellers claims, whether honest or dishonest, as to the condition of the vehicles and pass that information onto the buyers. And I imagine that the cars are sold AS-IS with no warranty, expressed or implied. It is quite possible that a seller can make false claims to the dealer, who, without verification, pass on those false claims, without intention or malice, then the buyer becomes disappointed when they discover after the sale that the claims were false.

Case in point. Suppose a third party seller consigns with one of these dealers to sell their 1964 Chrysler. Since they know the engine block and transmission case were the ones originally assembled into the car, the seller claims it's a "Numbers Matching" car. Note, "Numbers Matching" is defined as a car with the VIN from the VIN plate stamped onto the engine block and transmission case at the factory and the VIN numbers in all three places match. Now, with the sellers claim, the dealer will advertise this particular 1964 Chrysler as a "Numbers Matching" car, something I have seen frequently and pertaining to 1964 Chryslers. I know for a fact that Chrysler didn't start this "Numbers Matching" practice until at least 1968. I also know, after owning several 1964 Chryslers for up to 35 years, that the only place the VIN appears in on the VIN plate and nowhere else. So every time I see a dealer advertising a "Numbers Matching" 1964 Chrysler, I both cringe and laugh. Why? Because there are no numbers to match.

Whenever dealing with such a dealer, it is imperative for the buyer to do proper due diligence. Without it, the buyer can be set up for severe disappointment. I'm not trying to criticize or point fingers, as I am just trying to share my "two cents" of knowledge and opinion for what it's worth. Please accept my comments in the spirit they are given.

Chris - the K MANIAC
Concord, California

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From: jeffrey britz <jbritz65432f1@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jbritz65432f1%40gmail.com> >
To: kmaniak <kmaniak@xxxxxxx <mailto:kmaniak%40aol.com> >
Sent: Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:08 pm
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Bad experience

yes the engine and transmission were in worse shape than promised

On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 8:56 PM, <kmaniak@xxxxxxx <mailto:kmaniak%40aol.com> > wrote:

I see. I take it the bad experience was with regards to the purchace and not with servicing or repair work?

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From: jeffrey britz <jbritz65432f1@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jbritz65432f1%40gmail.com> >

To: kmaniak <kmaniak@xxxxxxx <mailto:kmaniak%40aol.com> >
Sent: Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:47 pm
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Bad experience

I bought the car from a dealer in California that specializes in vintage and exotic cars

On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 5:46 PM, <kmaniak@xxxxxxx <mailto:kmaniak%40aol.com> > wrote:

Jeffery:

When you say "dealer" are you refering to a modern Chrysler dealership or just a generic indepentdent repair shop?

Chris - the K MANIAC
Concord, California

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From: jeffrey britz <jbritz65432f1@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jbritz65432f1%40gmail.com> >
To: Chrysler300 <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Chrysler300%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Thu, Apr 18, 2013 1:45 pm
Subject: [Chrysler300] Bad experience

Hi all,

I recently bought a 300G convertible and had a particularly unpleasant
experience with the dealer. Is this the kind of thing that I should make
the members aware of?

Thanks for your input

Jeffrey Britz

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