Few other comments to add to Mark's. There were no Dodge 880's sold up here, and no Belvedere's, Coronet's until '66 or '67, whichever year the flatish V pointed Belvedere's came out. Also, second generation Valiant's '63 + had Valiant front's & Dart rears, until the next change up in '66 or "67. Finally there was a '61 Dodge Dart that was a Plymouth chassis, with some Dodgeish sheet metal unique to that car. Early sixties were a strange time for Chrysler, but I saw my first RED 300G at the Winnipeg auto show that year. Still have the brownie picture around. A few years later a beautiful white F ragtop went up in flames in a service station across the street from the bank I worked in. Almost cried, as I would see it there often for service. Lindsey in Sunny (finally after 3 wks rain ) in Winnipeg. Mark, I would ask you to keep your rain in Calgary, but after being there the past few days, you guys could use a break! ----- Original Message ----- From: MARK HOPKINS <m.hopkins@xxxxxxx> Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 12:47 pm Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] '62 Chrysler 300 4-door To: lettercars@xxxxxxx Cc: MRS954@xxxxxxx, Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Good morning from the flooded north - Huge amounts of rain the > last few days and a lot of flooding in BC. So far we're not > flooded in Calgary and the rain has moved east. The rain > accelerated the mountain snow melt, so the next few days will > tell. > > I recall the 300 replacing the Saratoga model around 1962, but > can't recall the specifics of sedan vs. hardtops. However, in > those days, Canada tended to be a more conservative market, > often opting for lower line less expensive models, so a 4 door > sedan would fit that context. I remember some of my dad's > friends saying they didn't like hardtops because they were more > prone to developing rattles than sedans. (Regrettably) big block > engines weren't as popular here either, possibly because > gasoline prices have always been higher than in the US. I > was 10 in 1962, so I'll have to dig back into my archives to see > what I can find on Canadian Chryslers. We called them Windsors > rather than Newports up until 1967 as well. I'll ask some of the > older Mopar Club guys what they recall. > > Prior to the US Canada Auto Pact which came in around 1969, some > interesting "hybrid" and rebadged models were built in Canada, > mostly in Oshawa and Windsor, Ontario. Ford built Meteors in the > 50's which were rebadged Fords sold out of Lincoln Mercury > dealers. Later in1962, Meteors were intermediates between the > Comet and the full size Mercs, and I think these were sold in > the US as well. After '63, Meteors were low end rebadged > Mercurys that replaced the Monarch brand until about 1970. Ford > produced the Monarch in Canada, a rebadged Mercury up until > 1961. Monarchs sold alongside Mercurys. (In the 70's the Monarch > name showed up on rebadged Granadas in both countries). I have > no idea why they would produce these duplicate brand models in a > country that had less than 20 million people in those days. > > The oddest Canadian built cars of that era were Canadian built > Ponitacs from the early 50's to 1969 when the Auto Pact allowed > cross border movement, and we began to see Grand Villes and > Bonnevilles in dealer showrooms. Prior to that, Canadian > Pontiacs were a unique "hybrid" combination of Catalina bodies > on Chevrolet frames with Chev power trains and steering / > suspensions. The top of the line Parisiennes got Bonneville > interiors and exterior trim. The lower line Laurentians and > Strato Chiefs as they were called often got a blend of Chev seat > covers, door panels, and steering wheels and Pontiac dashes. > Because they were built on narrower Chev platforms, they weren't > wide tracks. If you look at a Canadian Pontiac of the day, the > wheels are recessed in the fender wells, and there were no 8 lug > wheel options. Engines and transmissions were Chev > sourced, so 60's Pontiacs typically had 283 or 327 / Powerglide > combinations (so why did they outsell the much superior > Mopars??). > > We never saw the Pontiac Tempest/LeMans in Canada until 1970, so > also no GTO's before that. Pontiac intermediates in the 60's > were rebadged Chevelles and Chevy II's, called Beaumonts and > Acadians respectively. They were Chevrolets end to end with no > US Pontiac content. These cars are now rare and have a narrow > following up here, but aren't worth much in the US because no > one knows what they are. > > All that said, Chrysler Canada had relatively few deviations > from their US models compared to Ford and GM. The main > difference was the absence of certain models here. For example, > we had Valiants but no Darts until the late 60's and not all the > full size Dodge models were sold up here. > > I'll let you know if I learn anything more about Canadian 4 door > sedan 300's. > > Best regards, > > Mark Hopkins in Calgary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: lettercars@xxxxxxx > Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:55 am > Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] '62 Chrysler 300 4-door > To: MRS954@xxxxxxx, Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Mark and All: > > That was my first reaction as well, so I consulted my copy of > > Dick > > Langworth's book, Chrysler and Imperial. (Published in > > 1976) Sure enough---and > > to my surprise---there was the production information on > a > > 1962 Chrysler 300 > > four door SEDAN! Doing a bit more investigation, I > > consulted my copies of > > the 1962 "S" Series Model Charts. They, also, > showed > > a four door sedan, > > BUT built in the Windsor Canada assembly plant, > > ONLY. This brought back dim > > memories of a Canadian only 1964 300 4 door sedan. > > Sure enough, my "V" > > Series Model Chart showed that one as well---Canada > > only. Langworth's book > > agrees. So, I think the answer is the 300 > > "Sport" 4 door sedan was > > manufactured in Canada only for the Canadian > market. > > If one consults the parts > > book and the service manual, there is certainly no > mention > > of it. Also, the > > Sales Folder for the 300H mentions just the 3 models of > > the sport > > series----definitely no sedan. > > Any of our Canadian members care to comment? > > 300ly, Gil Cunningham > > A beautiful cool morning in Tallahassee, sans TS Debbie! > > > > > > In a message dated 6/27/2012 7:02:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight > > Time, > > MRS954@xxxxxxx writes: > > > > > > That is something new to me. I have never seen a 62 300 > 4- > > door sedan. New > > Yorker sedans and Newport sedans, yes, but not a 300 > > sedan. Interesting! > > > > Mark Souders > > 300H > > Mohrsville, PA > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rich Barber-Desktop <c300@xxxxxxx> > > To: 'Mark Schueller' <f41324@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; > 'Chrysler > > 300 Club' > > <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Tue, Jun 26, 2012 10:52 pm > > Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] '62 Chrysler 300 4-door > > > > > > > http://www.chrysler300site.com/cgibin/history.cgi?1962 ; > > History Of the Chrysler Three Hundred Series - 1962 > > Nineteen sixty-two saw not only the continued production of > > the "Letter > > eries" with the 300H, in two door hardtop and convertible > > styles, but also > > he introduction of an entry level three hundred model produced > > in two door > > ard top, convertible and, new for '62, both four-door hard top > > and a four > > oor sedan body styles. > > It seems that most manufacturers cannot resist the > > temptation to hang > > restigious model names on mundane versions after a few > > years. This is > > alled marketing and generally produces short-term > results, > > depending on the > > trength of the brand. Strong brands/model names > tend > > to live on as witness > > 00's, Chargers, Challengers, Rams, Impalas and > > Mustangs. The concept can > > e pushed too far, such as was the case with the latter- > day GTO. > > Rich Barber > > rentwood, CA > > > > rom: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > > ehalf Of Mark Schueller > > ent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:58 AM > > o: Chrysler 300 Club > > ubject: [Chrysler300] '62 Chrysler 300 4-door > > > > There is a burgundy '62 Chrysler 300 4-door with black > > interior for sale in > > lymouth, Wisconsin, $3900 OBO. The body is average, the > > dash pad is badly > > racked and I have no idea if it runs. I can check the > car > > out and take > > ictures if anyone is interested but please talk to the > > owner first. Two > > hone numbers were listed: 262-353-2336 and 920-467-1777. > > ps: I didn't know there was such a thing as a 300 4- > door. > > The car looks > > riginal except for the color. > > Mark Schueller > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > To send a message to this group, send an email to: > > hrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to > > bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx or > > o to > http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Chrysler300/join > > and select the > > "Leave > > roup" button > > For list server instructions, go to > > http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/inst.htm > > For archives go to > > http://www.forwardlook.net/300- > > archive/search.htm#querylangYahoo! > > roups Links > > Individual Email | Traditional > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > To send a message to this group, send an email to: > > Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to > > bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx or > > go to > http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Chrysler300/join > > and select the > > "Leave Group" button > > > > For list server instructions, go to > > http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/inst.htm > > > > For archives go to > > http://www.forwardlook.net/300- > > archive/search.htm#querylangYahoo! 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